Open Thread

2009 June 8
by bc3b

Your thoughts about Sarah Palin’s comments on Hannity’s America:

157 Responses leave one →
  1. 2009 June 8 5:59 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    b3cb just want to warn you. There is a restraining order out for you. You can not get within 50 feet of one Sarah Palin. Just thought I would give you a heads up

  2. 2009 June 8 6:02 pm
    bc3b permalink

    I should be so lucky. The termperature just rose 10 degrees in my family room.

  3. 2009 June 8 6:02 pm
    Brandon permalink

    Sounds kinda nervous, talking fast.

  4. 2009 June 8 6:04 pm
    bc3b permalink

    I wonder if Phineas made it to Pearle Vision today? It worked wonders for Rick Vaughn in “Major League.”

  5. 2009 June 8 6:06 pm
    mulletover permalink

    North to Alaska,
    I’m going north,
    The rush is on.

    Where the river is winding,
    Big nuggets they’re finding.
    North to Alaska,
    I’m goin’ North, the rush is on.
    North to Alaska,
    I’m goin’ North, the rush is on.

    Way up north……

  6. 2009 June 8 6:07 pm
    bc3b permalink

    You’re right. She needs to speak more slowly. It’s kind of strange that they are doing a stand up interview given the time it will take.

  7. 2009 June 8 6:08 pm
    Brandon permalink

    I was going to mention that. I’ve never liked stand up interviews, they always seem awkward to me for some reason.

  8. 2009 June 8 6:09 pm
    bc3b permalink

    She’s hitting all the key points though from the deficit spending to energy self-sufficiency.

  9. 2009 June 8 6:11 pm
    bc3b permalink

    I’m surprised the interview didn’t last longer. I guess Sean has to leave time for the Great American Panel. (Barf alert).

  10. 2009 June 8 6:15 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Really nothing significant out of this interview. Interesting to hear her thoughts, but more like a chit chat at the Starbucks.

  11. 2009 June 8 6:16 pm
    justrand permalink

    gotta go watch (it’s 6:15 which I can fast-forward through commercials!!)

    cheers…and something ELSE to smile about [HatTip HotAir]:

  12. 2009 June 8 6:18 pm
    mulletover permalink

    Gov Palin needs to be media-trained. It makes a world of difference.

  13. 2009 June 8 6:37 pm
    justrand permalink

    interview was too short, and I agree she could use some media coaching, but she scored a few points and she DOES know her stuff!\

    When asked about Obama she missed a great opportunity, which I hope her advisors will correct.

    Question: “You spent some time with Obama, what do you think of Obama of him?”
    Answer: “He’s seems like a really nce man.”

    -should have been:
    “He’s seems like a really nice man…but there are lots of really nice men out there that shouldn’t be President and HE’S ONE OF ‘EM!”

    I hope she gets this advice! 🙂

  14. 2009 June 8 6:41 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    Sarah made one comment that other Republicans need to act on. She said that other Republicans need to be confronting the Democrats and this administration on the issues.

  15. 2009 June 8 6:47 pm
    chekote permalink

    Gov Palin needs to be media-trained.

    You must hate her because she is beautiful.

  16. 2009 June 8 6:50 pm
    chekote permalink

    Same Sarah. Same canned talking points. Same lack of explaining the consequences of such reckless spending, i.e. weak dollar, inflation, etc. She does talk to fast. Still lacking the gravitas a la Liz and Dick Cheney. That’s what this movement needs. I know she “raises” some people’s temperature (and probably some body parts too) but that is not what is needed at this critical time. We need a Dick or Liz Cheney to speak about the economy and domestic policy like the speak about foreign/security policy.

  17. 2009 June 8 6:51 pm
    justrand permalink

    chekote…you made BAIL!! Congrats!

    (just kidding…but I wanted to throw out the first pitch!)

  18. 2009 June 8 6:52 pm
    drdog09 permalink


    I thought the interview was ok as it went. But if someone was expecting a lot of gravitas out of it, they left unfulfilled.

  19. 2009 June 8 6:52 pm
    bc3b permalink

    I usually don’t watch the Great American Panel, but I am tonight. Has Bob Beckel has become so fat that there’s no suitcoat big enough for him.

  20. 2009 June 8 6:53 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Hi Cheky –

    I been looking on milk cartons at Kroger for you. Long time, no see here or on Hot Air (the two sites I haven’t been banned from).

  21. 2009 June 8 6:54 pm
    chekote permalink

    THe Great American panel is unwatchable. Hannity is unwatchable. I NEVER thought I would miss Colmes.

  22. 2009 June 8 6:54 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Same Chekote. Same canned talking points.

  23. 2009 June 8 6:55 pm
    justrand permalink

    chekote…she was doing the “walk in the park” interview (which for the LIFE of me I cannot understand why they do it!), which is always quick and low-key. I was hoping for the whole policy speech…but it’s coming!

    (1) she wants the Feds to do what they SHOULD do (roads, national defense, etc)
    (2) she want the Feds to STOP doing what they SHOULDN’T be doing (bailouts, violating States rights)
    (3) she wants America to use its OWN natural resources!!

    And all that in 10 minutes of strolling through the park with Hannity…without a teleprompter!

  24. 2009 June 8 6:55 pm
    chekote permalink


    I got an e-mail saying that people were threatening to leave because of me. What can a girl do?!

  25. 2009 June 8 6:57 pm
    justrand permalink

    i’ll re-post what I did above…she needs to say THIS everytime someone asks what she thinks of Obama:

    “He’s seems like a really nice man…but there are lots of really nice men out there that shouldn’t be President and HE’S ONE OF ‘EM!”

  26. 2009 June 8 6:58 pm
    justrand permalink

    well welcome back, chekote. I hope the ankle-bracelet doesn’t chafe too much!

  27. 2009 June 8 6:59 pm
    Brandon permalink

    Chek! My fellow RINO, I thought you disappeared on us.

  28. 2009 June 8 7:00 pm
    bc3b permalink

    chekote wrote:
    “THe Great American panel is unwatchable. Hannity is unwatchable. I NEVER thought I would miss Colmes.”

    For once we agree. The cable networks all have “pundits” on the payroll, which they repeat over and over. With FNC, it’s Beckel, Gingrich, Morris, etc.

    The worst part is the Tigers are losing, so I can’t switch to them.

  29. 2009 June 8 7:01 pm
    justrand permalink

    bc3b: “The worst part is the Tigers are losing, so I can’t switch to them

    The Christians are winning? HUGE upset!

  30. 2009 June 8 7:02 pm
    mulletover permalink

    Gov Palin needs to be media-trained.
    You must hate her because she is beautiful. ~~ Chekote


    I am married to a corporate media trainer, and I see the value of her training everytime her dunce CEO’s go on television, and there have been four of them, all Fortune 500.

    The negative to this? On the home front, I lose every argument.

  31. 2009 June 8 7:04 pm
    janzam permalink

    Not to get off of Sarah for a minute, but what do make of this?

    Republicans seize control of State Senate

    H/T Polipundit

    BTW — Nice to see you again Chekote!

  32. 2009 June 8 7:04 pm
    brucefdb permalink

    I love Sarah but this interview was disappointing. She is strong on a number of issues but didnt come across that way tonight.

    We’re going to wind up with another loser in 2012. Neut, Huck, or some other NE/DC spider waiting to emerge. Maybe Dick Lugar?

  33. 2009 June 8 7:04 pm
    bc3b permalink

    No that’s the Detroit Lions. A bunch of 80-year olds from the St. Francis Senior Center could beat them. It’s not easy tackling a guy in a wheelchair.

    The Tigers are actually in first place, but in a slump.

  34. 2009 June 8 7:06 pm
    brucefdb permalink

    dunce CEO’s The media stereotype is alive and well even on BJG.

  35. 2009 June 8 7:08 pm
    bc3b permalink

    “I love Sarah but this interview was disappointing. She is strong on a number of issues but didnt come across that way tonight.”

    I was too. Her last two speeches (Anchorage and Auburn) were very strong. She said all the right things tonight, but her presentation wasn’t that good.

  36. 2009 June 8 7:10 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Lugar would fit the bill for the GOP. He’ll be 80 in 2012 (born in 1932).

  37. 2009 June 8 7:10 pm
    justrand permalink

    brucefdb “…we’re going to wind up with another loser in 2012…

    It’s desperation time all right…what with the 2012 election just around the corner! 🙂

    Folks, I think Sarah could have (and should have) asked Hannity for a better setting and honed her message more. But she has a while yet, and she WAS in that neck of the woods for an Autism event!

    I truly think this quick escape from Alaska is just to clear the cobwebs! Remember, for the last few months she couldn’t even THINK about leaving the State with the Dems up there (and down here) denouncing her!

    there’s time

  38. 2009 June 8 7:12 pm
    Brandon permalink

    2012 candidate will be Gen. David Petraeus.

  39. 2009 June 8 7:13 pm
    justrand permalink

    and last add…then it’s dinner time:

    peaking TOO soon is another problem. right now Obama and the Dems are shooting themselves in the foot. no reason to give a real wing-ding National speech (for this WAS national!) that would let them use her as a distraction.

    dinner beckons…ANON!!

  40. 2009 June 8 7:15 pm
    justrand permalink

    Brandon, from your keyboard to the General’s eyes!

    I don’t even know all his politics…but I DO know that he would give our enemies SERIOUS PAUSE!!

    P-Squared!! Palin & Petraeus.

  41. 2009 June 8 7:16 pm
    chekote permalink

    All I know is that the day of the dueling Cheney/Obama speech was the must satisfying for me, politically speaking. Cheney showed that real substance will beat glitz, special effects and vapid oratory. These are serious times and serious leaders are needed with gravitas, IMO.

    Also, I don’t believe that Alaska is the model the US should follow (this is no attack on Palin). People/government owning natural resources? That sounds socialist to me. Yes is true they don’t have income, sales, property taxes but the get money from the rest of the states. Take a look at the graph in this link

    Alaska gets $13,950 per resident from the federal government, more than any other state in the nation. It ranks number one in taxes per resident and number one in spending per resident. It’s also number one in pork-barrel spending. Each Alaska resident receives a check for $3,200 a year from state oil revenues — which Palin bumped up from $2,000 last year. Palin once justified this by saying that the state of Alaska was “set up, unlike other states in the union, where it’s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs.”

  42. 2009 June 8 7:17 pm
    chekote permalink

    2012 candidate will be Gen. David Petraeus.

    He has gravitas but I need to know more about his domestic policies. On the other hand, there is no question he will do what is necessary to protect us.

  43. 2009 June 8 7:20 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Good point Justrand.

    Eisenhower was so apolitical that no one was sure whether he would run as a Democrat of Republican. While not a general, it was a toss-up for Bob Dole too after WWII. He decided on being a Republican as there were more Republicans in Kansas at the time.

  44. 2009 June 8 7:20 pm
    chekote permalink


    You and I disagree about what is needed at this time. I think we need gravitas, substance and skills at handling the media. Everytime I see Liz Cheney dueling with Andrea Mitchell or any of the other Obama sycophants, I am more and more convinced that a “Liz Cheney” is needed at this time. Sarah is a nice lady but she is not “there” yet.

  45. 2009 June 8 7:23 pm
    chekote permalink

    I was thinking that Newt might be an option. He is brilliant and can distill an issue in very easy terms for people to understand. But he is the same old undisciplined Newt. So he is out.

  46. 2009 June 8 7:24 pm
    Brandon permalink

    Newt’s favorables are in the shitter. He’d already be starting wayyy behind.

  47. 2009 June 8 7:24 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Greta is on now. Her show has really improved (when she isn’t chasing after missing blondes). Better than Hannity’s.

    She’s now talking about Ginsburg temporarily blocking the sale of Chrysler. That could not have made The One happy.

    But, again she has the guy from WSJ on again.

  48. 2009 June 8 7:25 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    There is a light at the end of the tunnel for Republicans.

    From Rasmussen:

    Voters now trust Republicans more than Democrats on six out of 10 key issues, including the top issue of the economy.

    The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 45% now trust the GOP more to handle economic issues, while 39% trust Democrats more.

    This is the first time in over two years of polling that the GOP has held the advantage on this issue. The parties were close in May, with the Democrats holding a modest 44% to 43% edge. The latest survey was taken just after General Motors announced it was going into bankruptcy as part of a deal brokered by the Obama administration that gives the government majority ownership of the failing automaker.

    Voters not affiliated with either party now trust the GOP more to handle economic issues by a two-to-one margin.

    Separate Rasmussen tracking shows that the economy remains the top issue among voters in terms of importance.

    Republicans also now hold a six-point lead on the issue of government ethics and corruption, the second most important issue to all voters and the top issue among unaffiliated voters. That shows a large shift from May, when Democrats held an 11-point lead on the issue.

    (Want a free daily e-mail update? If it’s in the news, it’s in our polls). Rasmussen Reports updates are also available on Twitter.

    For the eighth straight month, Republicans lead on national security. The GOP now holds a 51% to 36% lead on the issue, up from a seven-point lead in May. They also lead on the war in Iraq 45% to 37%, after leading by just two points in May and trailing the Democrats in April.

    Fewer voters see national security as a very important issue this month, but confidence that the United States and its allies are winning the War on Terror is at its highest level since February.

    Republicans lead the Democrats on immigration for the third straight month, pulling ahead to a 35% to 29% advantage on the issue.

    On taxes, the GOP leads the Democrats for the fifth straight month, 44% to 39%. In May and April, Republicans held six-point leads on the issue.

    Democrats continue to hold the lead on the issues of health care, Social Security and education. While Democrats have a 10-point advantage on health care, that’s down from the 18-point lead the party had a month ago.

    Democrats lead by six points on Social Security, down from nine points in May. The parties were tied on the issue in April.

    On education, Democrats hold a 44% to 37% lead over Republicans.

    The parties are tied on the issue of abortion for the second straight month, each earning 41% support from voters.

  49. 2009 June 8 7:26 pm
    chekote permalink

    Chek! My fellow RINO, I thought you disappeared on us.

    Why? I have been posting at HH. I have been busy around my property. I had to move a ton of manure from the back of the stalls. Took forever but I lost a few pounds. 🙂

    Next, gotta get the flower beds in order and finish painting the house.

  50. 2009 June 8 7:31 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Newt will be 69 in 2012. He hasn’t been relevant in the past 10 years. He’s become a gadfly who writes books, collects wives, appears on FNC three nights a beek and says something really dumb at least once a month.

    Newt was hot in the mid 1990s, but blew it big time. He was good at strategy, but didn’t know what to do when he acquired power.

  51. 2009 June 8 7:31 pm
    janzam permalink

    No comments on Sarah as I didn’t see her. She is on the periphery of politics since her run with McCain, so cannot be ruled out for a future run.

    I agree with Chekote, though, about Liz Chaney being impressive — so unflappable, similar to her Dad. But, on her it seems to wear better.

    Today, since the big Conservative shift in the EU, I am starting to feel that we will experience a similar shift in 2010. A party’s rule wears thin when they can’t produce the goods. And, I think, given another year of Obamamania, the glow will fade.

  52. 2009 June 8 7:32 pm
    Brandon permalink

    You must be posting during the day. Summer job is keeping me away from the computer from 8-4 everyday so I miss all the action!

  53. 2009 June 8 7:32 pm
    chekote permalink

    But, again she has the guy from WSJ on again.

    The Moore guy? What’s up with that? Greta always has him on.

  54. 2009 June 8 7:33 pm
    sindalin44 permalink

    Alaskan she-bear.
    All that grace and power for naught.
    Hunters wait in hide.

  55. 2009 June 8 7:34 pm
    janzam permalink


    The tide is turning!

  56. 2009 June 8 7:35 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    Jan – there is one problem with Liz Chaney. Her father is Dick Chaney.

    Much like Jeb Bush is loved by many, he has the Bush name and will never get elected President. Liz has to over come the name which will be difficult with those in the middle who heard for 8 years how Dick ran the country.

    Would I vote for her – yes. But the name will be a problem too hard to over come.

  57. 2009 June 8 7:36 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Next, gotta get the flower beds in order and finish painting the house. — Chek

    Dang. Do you do windows too? (just kidding)

  58. 2009 June 8 7:38 pm
    bc3b permalink

    I like Liz Cheney. She needs to distance herself from her dad (as much as I like him).

    I judge Palin on her record as governor, which is impressive. She put the brakes on spending when oil prices started dropping by slashing the state’s budget and putting a hold on new employees (except law enforcement). Now that oil prices are soaring again, she will be adding to the state’s surplus (which already is several billion).

  59. 2009 June 8 7:41 pm
    janzam permalink


    You have a point about the Chaney name.

    However, children are often able to slide away from the shadow of their parents if they generate enough charm, intelligence and charisma on their own.

    Also, if they don’t keep referring to their parent’s politics, rather stick to the topic of their politics and POV, people begin to look at them as individuals rather than a clone of their relatives.

  60. 2009 June 8 7:42 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    Jan – the only issue we really lose on is education. Too many people are soft headed on education and fall for the crap that the Democrats push.

    People are starting to worry what the Democrats are going to do on Social Security. The older people have been scared to death by the Democrats propaganda that the Republicans will destroy Social Security. But they are now starting to see Democratic proposals to cut benefits and push back retirement age. They are also seeing proposals on nationalizing pension plans. Given time, Republicans could gain an advantage here.

    On Health Care, people are going to move away from the Democrats when they start to see how drastic the measures they want to implement and the ramifications it will have on their own health care. Most people want health care for all – IF it does not impact their own.

    Yes, the people are moving our way once they have seen that the emperor (Democratic Party) has no clothes.

  61. 2009 June 8 7:42 pm
    drdog09 permalink


    So do you think the Reps would run in 2012?

    Newts a dark horse. Romney in my mind showed a serious weakness west of the Mississippi. Huckabee probably not a winner either. And Palin may not run.

    So that leaves who?

  62. 2009 June 8 7:43 pm
    justrand permalink

    gnqanq: (in re. Liz CHENEY) “there is one problem with Liz Chaney…the name will be a problem too hard to over come.

    Even tougher if ya spell it wrong! 🙂

  63. 2009 June 8 7:44 pm
    justrand permalink

    drdog09: “So that leaves who?

    Well…if you change your name to drdog12…???

  64. 2009 June 8 7:45 pm
    chekote permalink

    something really dumb at least once a month.

    That’s Newt. Of course, the dumbest thing he ever did was appear with Pelosi pushing the global warming issue. The man is bipolar. Flashes of brilliance followed by flashes of idiocy.

  65. 2009 June 8 7:45 pm
    bc3b permalink

    It’s the old “let’s use the people we have under contract” all the time. CNBC uses people from “Newsweak” – Fineman, Alter, Thomas, etc.

    You watch Lou Dobbs – It’s always Rawlins and Zimmerman.

  66. 2009 June 8 7:46 pm
    JustMary permalink

    I think Sarah did ok. Not as much time with her as I would have liked, not as much punch as I would have liked. Haven’t missed Hannity….

  67. 2009 June 8 7:46 pm
    chekote permalink

    BTW — Nice to see you again Chekote!

    Thanks Jan. I knew I could count on you and Brandon.

  68. 2009 June 8 7:47 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    Chekote – Newt is a Republican Bill Clinton. Has no real core beliefs and is known to chase the skirts. He can talk a good game but does not know how to execute it.

  69. 2009 June 8 7:48 pm
    justrand permalink

    hey, chekote, I congratulated you on the favorable parole hearing!!

  70. 2009 June 8 7:48 pm
    JustMary permalink

    Welcome back, chekote. I agree with you about Newt. I do love him, but there are times I just shake my head.

  71. 2009 June 8 7:48 pm
    janzam permalink


    I think a dark horse is going to emerge. There is so much shuffling going on — like a deck of cards — in the Republican party. Everyone wants to be on top of the deck, but there is just too much going on for anyone to settle on anyone just yet.

    Whoever it is will have to be sure of him/herself, and present a powerful contrast to what the democratic party and Obama are trying to pass off on the people today.

    I don’t have anyone in mind, but my mind is definitely thinking about it. I have to say, though, that I do like Palin’s verve…..

  72. 2009 June 8 7:48 pm
    chekote permalink

    Dang. Do you do windows too? (just kidding

    I do the outside. My cleaning lady does the inside.

  73. 2009 June 8 7:49 pm
    justrand permalink

    gnqanq…seen Newt lately? That boyo isn’t gonna catch ANYTHING he chases!!

  74. 2009 June 8 7:51 pm
    chekote permalink

    I don’t have time to figure out Newt. He is unreliable, undisciplined and we can’t have any surprises while fighting the Obama agenda.

  75. 2009 June 8 7:51 pm
    drdog09 permalink


    I would be glad to change my moniker. My problem is I like saying it straight. That ruffles feathers and loses votes. I would never make it out of the primaries. Though playing mind games with the Secret Service guys is certainly worth the price of winning.

    But it will be interesting who the Reps have in ’12. A lot of the field last round were shown to be unpopular in different regions of the country. That tends to cool the party apparatus to wanting to spend the $$ on those candidates.

  76. 2009 June 8 7:52 pm
    janzam permalink


    Agree with you about education. Am reading an interesting book —>The Dumbest Generation by Mark Bauerlien. The essence is looking at people 30 years old and younger. They’re a mess!

    Non-thinking, self-centered clones of the me-genertion.

    This is the constituency of the dims.

  77. 2009 June 8 7:54 pm
    chekote permalink

    Newt is Catholic now. I guess he is done divorcing. Of course, I really don’t care about his personal life. I just can’t take the dumb things he does or says. What makes Liz and Dick Cheney so effective is that they don’t care what the MSM says about them. They know that the MSM will NEVER be on the side of conservatives and act accordingly. Instead, Newt and others are still under the illusion that if they just could find the right word or approach, they’ll be able to win the MSM over. Fools.

  78. 2009 June 8 7:55 pm
    justrand permalink

    good analysis, chekote!

  79. 2009 June 8 7:55 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    jan – they are not taught to think. Just remember talking points without critical thinking skills.

  80. 2009 June 8 7:56 pm
    bc3b permalink

    To show you how bad things are for GM, Rasmussen did a survey in which only 42% of current GM owners are likely to buy another GM vehicle.

    I am sure Chrsyler owners would score even worse.

  81. 2009 June 8 7:56 pm
    chekote permalink

    Summer job is keeping me away from the computer from 8-4 everyday so I miss all the action!

    What work are you doing?

  82. 2009 June 8 7:56 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Newt to his core is a policy wonk. He’s good at it. Can even turn a good speech. But I agree with others here, he’s not tactical on how to turn that into results. Even when he was Speaker, he had guys like Armey to do the balance sheets and arm twisting.

  83. 2009 June 8 7:58 pm
    mulletover permalink

    The Republican talent pool has a void in its progression to the oval office. 2012 should have been the year for either George Allen or Jeb Bush, but a single word, macaca, and President Bush’s final two years have sullied those two.

    Perhaps it is Palin’s year as the Veep candidate on the last ticket, but I like Mark Sanford’s independence and fiscal conservatism. He has the experience with 3 terms in the House and two terms as govenor. He needs to begin to speak out on issues other than the stimulus.

  84. 2009 June 8 7:58 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Cheky –

    Tomorrow I will be having a post on the GOP’s “big tent” politics. You should find it interesting (although you may not agree with it).

  85. 2009 June 8 7:59 pm
    janzam permalink

    Critical thinking skills —-> that is the key to what is missing.

    I was talking to my son about his generation today, in lieu of the book I was reading.

    He looked at me and said, ” Mom, I only associate with the top 2% of my generation. We talk politics and talk seriously about the world. But, yes, the other 98% of my generation just doesn’t care.”

  86. 2009 June 8 7:59 pm
    chekote permalink

    Newt has too much a need to be liked. Same flaw that Clinton had. Obama is so in love with himself he doesn’t need anybody to like him.

  87. 2009 June 8 8:00 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    bc3b – I own a chrysler product, thought of buying another before the bailouts. Not now, not ever. I was happy with the product and service but no way will I ever support them now.

  88. 2009 June 8 8:00 pm
    chekote permalink

    But, yes, the other 98% of my generation just doesn’t care.”

    That’s just the age he is in. It was the same when I was in high school. I have always been fanatical about politics because of my dad and grandfather.

  89. 2009 June 8 8:01 pm
    bc3b permalink

    I like Palin and Sanford. DeMint doesn’t seem to be interested.

    2012 will be an interesting year. I think Zero will either be unbeatable or unelectable (regardless of MSM support) based on the economy.

  90. 2009 June 8 8:02 pm
    drdog09 permalink


    I have a 8yo Subaru with 125k miles on it. Its the most reliable vehicle I have owned. Somebody like GM would have to show me how they have improved their vehicles to be superior to the Subaru. Makes me feel bad because up until 1995 I was GM buyer.

  91. 2009 June 8 8:03 pm
    janzam permalink


    Unelectable is what my intuition tells me.

  92. 2009 June 8 8:03 pm
    chekote permalink


    Sick of the big tent analogy. It is time to put a program together dealing with the important issues of the day. If people agree with us, then they are part of our movement. I see no point in all this “I am more conservative than you”. “You are a RINO”. I am a SoCon. You are a FiCon or hawk. Enough with the labels! Time to strictly talk about what we stand for and get people who agree with us to vote for us.

  93. 2009 June 8 8:04 pm
    chekote permalink

    Newt to his core is a policy wonk.


  94. 2009 June 8 8:05 pm
    janzam permalink

    We had one of those GM credit cards where you collected points (savings) that could be applied to a GM vehicle. We always thought we would buy a truck someday.

    Somehow, I don’t think they would honor the card now, let alone if we even were interested in one of their trucks.

    How times change!

  95. 2009 June 8 8:06 pm
    justrand permalink

    chekote: “It is time to put a program together dealing with the important issues of the day.”

    AMEN!!! Been saying that for quite some time!!

  96. 2009 June 8 8:06 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    chekote – most young people start out on the left or don’t care. But as they attain things through their own labor, they start to see how unfair Democratic policies are to people who work.

    Many here saw “zero” for what he is, another Jimmy Carter. The problem is that people under 50 can not recall what a hoorible job Carter did. Prime example of people having to experience the disaster since they don’t seem to learn from history.

  97. 2009 June 8 8:08 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Obama’s constituency is the young and the ignorant. Frum has had a woman named Crystal Wright posting lately. She terms herself a “moderate conservative,” whatever that is. She had a post stating that she voted for Obama, but now is shocked by how far left he is. Was she asleep during the campaign?

    Frum was shocked that Ms. Wright was ridiculed on a number of conservative websites, but when you “proudly proclaim your ignorance to the world” as Brother Patrick used to tell us in high school.

  98. 2009 June 8 8:08 pm
    chekote permalink

    but a single word, macaca

    True. But the fact that Allen could not deal with such a relatively easy situation was unsettling. The fact that a kid with a camera got under his skin in such a way. Also, it was silly for him to pull out passages out of Webb’s novels in a desparate attempt to paint Webb as a pervert.

  99. 2009 June 8 8:12 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    He looked at me and said, ” Mom, I only associate with the top 2% of my generation. — janzam

    Aaaaah a Nerd. I can relate. Of course there is the social stigma of being known as the ‘curve buster’. But keep him going. He’s the only hope this country has.

  100. 2009 June 8 8:14 pm
    davidt permalink

    It will be Palin at the top of the Republican ticket in 2012.

  101. 2009 June 8 8:14 pm
    janzam permalink


    Young people have no frame of reference in which to base their opinions, and consequently their vote.

    Most young adults are clannish and hang mainly with their peer group, who have as little knowledge as they do. So, it is the inexperienced telling the equally inexperienced on what to do, and how to think.

    Now with the tech age wrapped around everyone, people are even more time warped and isolated into their particular age groups, twittering, e-mailing, texting rather than having a real conversation with anyone!

    It’s a superficial world!

  102. 2009 June 8 8:14 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Something you probably missed is a post I had trashing Lugar (who is a strong pro-life supporter). He has been in the Senate for 32 years and he has accomplished ….?

    The problem we have is too many congressional Republicans (like Lugar) are not fighters. They enjoy the prestige and perks of being in congress, are satisfied being #2 and just don’t want to rock the boat.

    Most Dems, on the other hand, are ready and willing to fight for their ideas, no matter how nutty they are.

  103. 2009 June 8 8:16 pm
    chekote permalink

    What I don’t understand is that Allen was in the Senate how many years? Couldn’t he run on his record?!

  104. 2009 June 8 8:16 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Janzam –

    “If a man is not a liberal at 20, there is something wrong with his heart. If he is not a conservative at age 40, there is something wrong with his head,” Winston Churchill.

  105. 2009 June 8 8:17 pm
    drdog09 permalink


    Might be but does she want it? Its never been said, but I suspect that there might be a family gathering making that decision that does not include the rest of us getting a vote. Just sayin’.

  106. 2009 June 8 8:19 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Allen made the Indian crack and the press made it a major issue (as opposed to Joe Biden, who made a similar comment and the media buried it).

  107. 2009 June 8 8:20 pm
    janzam permalink


    I wish my son were a nerd. He actually has been a rebel his whole life — artistic, musical, verbal, well read and oppositional. But, lately he is finding his groove, and his high IQ is actually working more in his favor instead of always trying to find a weakness or an end run around his parent’s “No”

    I love him to pieces…..

  108. 2009 June 8 8:22 pm
    chekote permalink

    Allen’s mistake was letting that kid under his skin. He meant the word as derogatory. Then he tried to cover up the fact he got the word from his mom. It was all very unnecessary. Biden was just trying to compliment Indian and it came out wrong.

  109. 2009 June 8 8:23 pm
    janzam permalink

    “If a man is not a liberal at 20, there is something wrong with his heart. If he is not a conservative at age 40, there is something wrong with his head,” Winston Churchill. bc3b

    So true….love that quote!

  110. 2009 June 8 8:23 pm
    theghostofreason permalink

    Arnie wants to roll back welfare
    Tides are changing.. somethings in the air
    Obama the great
    Will he save the state?
    No… he’ll just send Cali a picture of Michelle’s glare

  111. 2009 June 8 8:24 pm
    janzam permalink

    BTW This is one heck of a thread!

  112. 2009 June 8 8:24 pm
    chekote permalink

    Frum was shocked that Ms. Wright was ridiculed on a number of conservative websites,

    Frum’s point is that we should welcome people who regret voting for Obama not ridicule them. If we want to win, we got get a lot of former Obama supporters.

  113. 2009 June 8 8:25 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Artistic, musical…. Might I suggest a career in computer science or bioinformatics? It is surprising, but it has been found that the top 10% of programmers/system analysts/bioscience types are nearly all musically adept.

  114. 2009 June 8 8:27 pm
    janzam permalink

    Hmmmm, I’ll keep that in mind Dr Dog.

  115. 2009 June 8 8:28 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Arnie also said he doesn’t want to curtail services for illegals even though they are responsible for about 20% of the deficit (but that’s another post for tomorrow.

  116. 2009 June 8 8:29 pm
    chekote permalink

    I understand what Rush, Levin and others are trying to do. But now it is reaching the point of diminishing returns. We need to stop talking definitions and start pushing specific alternatives. It is fine to talk about the ever growing deficit and debt but we can’t just stop there. People’s immediate concerns are jobs. Obama says that he can create jobs through federal spending. We say he can’t and then never show how we would create jobs. We need to spell out the alternative otherwise the only option is to wait for Obama to fail. Which he will but how long will it take and how much damage will be done?

  117. 2009 June 8 8:30 pm
    JustMary permalink

    I can’t seem to get past Ms. Wright’s name. I keep thinking low calorie beverage of choice in China….but then I have guilt. 😛

  118. 2009 June 8 8:30 pm
    drdog09 permalink


    If we want to win, we got get a lot of former Obama supporters.

    You are right on that one. To win next time is going to require a high conversion rate of Dems to pull the lever the other way.

  119. 2009 June 8 8:32 pm
    janzam permalink

    Obama was talking today about having created 150,000 jobs, with another 600,000 coming soon with all the projects out there in the mill because of the stimulus being thrown at infrastructure etc.

    I think he just makes up these numbers!

  120. 2009 June 8 8:33 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Ya think? 😀

  121. 2009 June 8 8:34 pm
    chekote permalink

    To win next time is going to require a high conversion rate of Dems to pull the lever the other way.

    So what’s the point of ridiculing Ms. Wright? We are in a masochistic stage in the conservative movement. Too many of our pundits get pleasure on hurting the movement.

  122. 2009 June 8 8:34 pm
    janzam permalink

    I think the tea party movement has ingredients in it to be instrumental in building a coalition opposing Obama’s agenda.

    Conseaquently it will be more than interesting to see what they generate, in terms of people, come July 4th!

  123. 2009 June 8 8:35 pm
    justrand permalink

    we WILL get former Obama voters…but only if we make a clear and compelling set of arguments on CORE ISSUES! (been my mantra for a long time!)

    There are absolutely CORE issues that we all agree on, and even most of the others can be solved by Federalism (i.e. “States Rights”). On the other side are the Dems with CENTRAL EVERYTHING!

    The American people do not want every aspect of their lives controlled by the CENTRAL Government! That contrast is easy to make…and must be made repeatedly!

  124. 2009 June 8 8:35 pm
    JustMary permalink

    To win next time is going to require a high conversion rate of Dems to pull the lever the other way.

    For that to happen, they need to know how what is going on in America right now will change their lives for the worse. They may think they are getting something for nothing, but eventually they too will be called “rich” OR someone they know and love will be denied medical care based on being too expensive/old to let live….

    I think it simply comes down to being uninformed, and what information they do get is too watered down.

  125. 2009 June 8 8:37 pm
    justrand permalink

    on July 4th I’ll be at the Tea Party in Sacramento (along with Justmary, Mrs. Justrand, and some Justgrandkids). I’ll let ya’ll know whether it is as big as the April 15 one. I sure hope it is!

  126. 2009 June 8 8:38 pm
    booshkindoggin permalink

    Sindalin44 finally conquers the gravatar beast to graduate to 2nd Level Galtmaster, and apparently the reports of Twain’s death really have been greatly exaggerated.

  127. 2009 June 8 8:39 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Frum’s point is that we should become “Dem Lite.”

    Considering how well known he is, Frum gets very little traffic barring a plug from Allah. Most threads have under 10 comments. Often times a thread is really a conversation between 3-4 people.

    His tagline is “building conservativism that can win.” Yet, he never features any conservatives. His goal seems to be to read conservative out of the GOP.

  128. 2009 June 8 8:41 pm
    JustMary permalink

    Obama was talking today about having created 150,000 jobs, with another 600,000 coming soon with all the projects out there in the mill because of the stimulus being thrown at infrastructure etc.

    A series of “tweets” from Frank J over at imao got me to thinking….2 can play at that game:

    Cheney’s waterboarding terrorists created or saved thousands of Americans.

    Why not? Why not throw it back in Obama’s face?

  129. 2009 June 8 8:41 pm
    chekote permalink


    Best sign language interpretation. Click on the video.

  130. 2009 June 8 8:43 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    We saw this same thing play out in 1976 to 1980. People voted for the Democrat because he was going to bring change to Washington and he was NOT a Republican.

    When the people found out they had been had they slowly turned away from Carter. As Reagan drew the differences between him and Carter and the people found out he was NOT another Goldwater, the people became comfortable with him.

    We need to be patient and draw out the differences. We need to pound on individual freedom vs the collectivism of the left. We need to explain that “you” are the solution, NOT DC. “You” know better on how to spend your money than DC.

    Time is on our side IF we stick with Conservative principles. When we lose our core beliefs, we lose elections because the people don’t know what we stand for.

  131. 2009 June 8 8:44 pm
    chekote permalink

    His goal seems to be to read conservative out of the GOP.

    Still paranoid. Frum doesn’t want to kick anybody out. That’s his problem. He wants a GOP that is everything to everybody. The solution is somewhere in the middle. Have some overarching, basic principles but allow differences on lesser issues.

  132. 2009 June 8 8:45 pm
    justrand permalink

    “Dem Lite” is just a slower death…for the Republican Party and the country itself!

    The biggest problem with “shades of gray” is that the Dems OWN that game! They can equivocate ANYTHING! Charles Manson and a jaywalker? No problem! The Holocaust with the Palestinian situation? Easy!!

    There are STARK contrasts between what WE believe and what the Dems ACTUALLY believe! Those stark contrasts MUST be exposed…and hammered repeatedly. Because if you let the Dems play the “it’s all shades of gray” game you will LOSE!!!

  133. 2009 June 8 8:46 pm
    JustMary permalink

    There are STARK contrasts between what WE believe and what the Dems ACTUALLY believe! Those stark contrasts MUST be exposed…and hammered repeatedly. Because if you let the Dems play the “it’s all shades of gray” game you will LOSE!!!


  134. 2009 June 8 8:49 pm
    janzam permalink

    I feel comfortable with what you are saying tonight gnqanq. I do believe that time is on our side. There will be lots of ups and downs from here to there. But generally speaking the leftist way of governing is just anti everything that so many people here in America are used to.

    We are definitely not a collectivist society. Individualism has been our birthright all along. And, the more it is tampered with, the greater people will feel disconnected from their roots, and they will look elsewhere for leadership and answers.

  135. 2009 June 8 8:52 pm
    chekote permalink

    Individualism has been our birthright all along.

    I don’t know about the next generation. I keep thinking when is American pride going to kick in as the idiot goes around the world apologizing for this great country.

  136. 2009 June 8 8:53 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Hopefully, conservatives will start coming up with alternative ideas. The problem is that these ideas will be shot down by a Dem majority and will receive no coverage by the pro-Obama media.

  137. 2009 June 8 8:54 pm
    justrand permalink

    Issue: Utilization of American energy resources!

    Needed: Sane, sensible regulations on exploration and exploitation…NOT declaring vast portions of our resources “off limits”. As gas hits $6 a gallon (and it will soon) the American people will FLOCK to a sensible plan!

    Issue: Interrogation of enemy combatants NOT covered by the Geneva Convention.

    Needed: Sane, sensible articulation of the difference between “enhanced interrogation” and “torture”. When America gets hits again (and it will all too soon), the public is going to want to know who is doing it and how to stop them

    and so on…
    Like Newt’s “Contract with America”, what is needed is a point-by-point of the CORE principles that most SANE Americans can rally to!!

    and as I mentioned …let issues like abortion and gay-marriage be settled State-by-State, without the Feds!!!! That’s the intent of Federalism…go live in the State that fits your image and needs!

  138. 2009 June 8 8:56 pm
    janzam permalink

    When the “next generation” starts to feel the pinch of reality; when their “individualism” is tapped on the shoulder to collectively help someone they don’t know or care about, their belief system and patriotism will suffer a reversal from “not caring” to “caring” a whole lot!

  139. 2009 June 8 8:59 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    Jan – my daughter was telling me today that on another forum she vistis, that a poster admitted to voting for “zero”. He thought “zero” was one thing but now is finding out he is another. He regrets voting for “zero” and plans on voting Republican in 2010 and 2012. “zero” is toast to this person. He is legion.

    Like drops make a river, so will it be in 2012.

    Bill Clinton was right about one thing – it is the economy stupid. And “zero” and his policies are making it worse not better. People vote with their pocket. And the Democrats are destroying people’s wealth and the people will remember in 4 years.

    The key will be, can the Republicans nominate a Reagan or will it be a Dole or McCain. If the Republicans choose wisely, they win. If they choose poorly – the country loses.

  140. 2009 June 8 8:59 pm
    durman permalink

    The obama universal health care fiasco about to be foisted on this country MUST BE STOPPED. To (political) Arms!!

    “War for our country & the good of all,
    obama must fall and every foe,
    liberty in every blow – let us do…OR DIE!!”

    With a wink & a toast to Robert Burns…

  141. 2009 June 8 9:04 pm
    justrand permalink

    durman, I agree! The reason Obama is screaming “URGENT!” right now is that he and his misbegotten ilk recognize a shift in the wind! They want to ram this #$%^ down our throats before that “shift in the wind” becomes a hurricane!

    if the Gordon Brown government falls then many Dems in Congress will go wobbly in the knees. pray for it! 🙂

  142. 2009 June 8 9:06 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    justrand – if they are paying attention, they can see what has happened in europe. Europe is moving to the right. It might be too late BUT we need to get on the offensive. Presently, the trend is moving in our direction. The dems still have an advantage on health care but it it shrinking.

  143. 2009 June 8 9:07 pm
    durman permalink

    “pray for it”

    Aye, lad!

  144. 2009 June 8 9:09 pm
    justrand permalink

    gnqanq: “we need to get on the offensive”


    encourage your friends and family…or argue with them if you must…but wake ’em up and get ’em engaged. It’s THEIR freedom too! July 4th…be at a Tea Party! 🙂

    cheers & g’night ya’ll

  145. 2009 June 8 9:13 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    “We need to spell out the alternative otherwise the only option is to wait for Obama to fail. Which he will but how long will it take and how much damage will be done?” — Chek

    Have to be able to make Americans visualize it tho. That comes from gut, not numbers. But you still have to drag the numbers along. —

    “There was a time in this country when a child could walk around the neighorhood, play sandlot ball, stare at the clouds, throw oranges at each other, and just be a kid. A country where a teenager could earn money after school to spend as they saw fit or save for that first car. Where your doctor didn’t have to run you through the MRI machine because he could tell what was wrong almost by looking at you. Where the only time you might have needed the services of a lawyer was buying that first home. A country where business competed by providing better products and services, not loading up with ‘K’ street lobbyists.

    “Impossible? Quite the contrary. That is a glimmer of my life growing up, and dare I say it most of you as well. I ask myself, should not my grandchildren have the same opportunity? My answer is yes. Yet we have permitted ourselves to fall into the trap of ‘forced indenturedness to happiness’ for our children. Activities planned like an assault on the pursuit of. We end up poorer for it in many cases. And in our hurried state of what is possible we have taken our eyes off the prize and permitted government to intrude in support of those indentured activities.

    “What price do we pay for this intrusion? Let alone the economic we see efforts to ban smoking even in one’s home. Dikat as to how our foods maybe prepared in NYC. Red light cameras installed; not for the enhancement of safety but the enrichment of the local coffers. Even a move afoot to regulate foods we may grow, prepare and eat from our own gardens.

    “Then there are the economic costs. No country has successfully spent its way out of debt — ever. Don’t believe me, check Will Rogers. As the debt increases the service costs in interest will become a large portion of the ongoing costs of government. So much that the intrusion that was to provide all those nice parks and services for our children will be shuttered as the expenses will have to be consumed to support the debt. So in the end we may have excellent roads, parks, airports but few can afford to utilize them as their own personal wealth has been eaten by the ever growing government.

    “Wither the children? Better it be spent staring at the clouds occasionally rather than a debt bill approaching a half million per American? If your childhood is something you want for your childrens’ children to savor then we must dismount the train that is government. ”

    That’s my policy speech. Sorry for the length.

  146. 2009 June 8 9:24 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Good point drdog09 –

    I remember trying to explain to my son and his friends about how you could play baseball with just 8-10 kids on two teams (I am sure you remember “right field out”).

    They looked at me like I was from another planet. They had adults making all the decisions for them in Little League. It was bazaar,

  147. 2009 June 8 9:31 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Yep, right field out. Plus you spend as much time forming a team as playing. And you rue the day only 9 kids show up. Somebody always ended up neutral pitcher.

  148. 2009 June 8 9:39 pm
    BCL permalink

    Sarah is right on, but I agree with Brandon on the other thread. He said she needs coaching.

    She is a natural leader with raw talent.

    Vocal coaching works wonders with some folks. I have seen it with other people in the media.

    She should work on her vocal tone and diction.

  149. 2009 June 8 9:54 pm

    Just watched the replay I’ll go though these comments in a few minutes but my reaction was I didn’t really hear all that much, but nothing I did hear was bad.

    The thoughts were good but they still seem to flow somewhat haphazardly though, almost like she’s trying too hard to get a thought across in a sound bite. Sanford has said more or less the same things she has and they come out of his mouth far better. I don’t know if it’s talking to the media in general, just her general interview inexperience or she doesn’t know how to relax or what but they don’t get much friendlier then Hannity except maybe Greta. No plus, no minus, her game still needs much work.

  150. 2009 June 8 9:59 pm

    “2012 candidate will be Gen. David Petraeus.”

    I seriously doubt it, and frankly I doubt he would get though the GOP primary even if he wanted to run. Leave the man to what he’s good at please.

  151. 2009 June 8 10:09 pm

    I have to agree with some of the other comments I’ve seen here.

    Tips for Sarah:
    1. Slow down by 20%
    2. Don’t do TV interviews where you know it’s going to be a one segment type interview, if you can’t get 7-8 minutes of airtime (15m or so interview) screw’em, and do them sitting down.
    3. Write and deliver more in depth speeches, practice.
    4. Don’t do the walking interviews unless maybe they catch out in public, or your chilling @ home.

    5. Pay Newt to teach you how to “prep the ground” in your response before leading up to your actual answer.

  152. 2009 June 8 10:23 pm

    “The problem is that people under 50 can not recall what a hoorible job Carter did.”, Hey I’m under 50 and I can recall what horrible job Jimmah did, I really didn’t need the reminder the public gave us all in November.

  153. 2009 June 8 10:30 pm

    “We say he can’t and then never show how we would create jobs.”

    WTF since when did it become our politicians job’s to actually ‘create jobs’, there job is only to keep and perhaps enhance such an environment not to actually create them, dear god I don’t want the GOP out there saying they can OUT “job create” obama that’s about the worse way I could think of framing the battle. I know what your saying though cheky.

    Cheney’s waterboarding terrorists created or saved thousands of Americans.

    Tee heee 🙂 I like that one, more factual than Obama’s saved jobs figures I’d say.

  154. 2009 June 8 11:49 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    Just wanted to add my 2 cents’ worth.

    Regarding Palin’s interview, I agree with others on this thread that the ‘walking interview’ was a bad choice. My guess is she conducts a lot of state business in this fashion–always on the run, moving on to the next problem in breathless fashion, etc….

    2012 its just too far out to make a guess on who is the best candidate on our side. Somebody mentiond Petreaus & Palin. Petreaus would be unbeatable on foreign affairs, Palin would be able to hold her own on social issues and she could point to her record in AK to showcase her economic and executive skills.

    Sen Allen’s mistake, other than making an idiotic comment in the first place was apologizing more than once and not realizing that apologies have not worked for any Republican in decades.

  155. 2009 June 9 9:09 am
    janzam permalink


    Next day comment on this thread — thought your policy speech was one of your finest posts!

  156. 2009 June 9 10:19 am
    sindalin44 permalink

    booshkindoggin …

    You know what it was? I finally discovered that I had to log on to from a different computer in order set up the image. For some reason, my regular computer wouldn’t load the image.

  157. 2009 June 9 2:04 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    janzam, thx.

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