Open Thread Saturday

2009 June 20
by justrand

Open thread…with topical threads on Iran, et al, as events occur

– UPDATED: A pure and simple summation…thx!

Don’t let anybody tell you that the Left is for human rights, freedom or women’s rights. They are pathetic. They are morally banktupt. Proud to be a conservative.


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  1. 2009 June 20 5:44 am
    justrand permalink

    It looks for now tha the government of Iran has indeed muzzled a nation of 70 million people…with VERY LITTLE EFFORT!

    Consider that though we are 4 times that size, the protests in Tehran alone dwarf anything EVER seen in this country!

    What does that mean? It means that our very own Ayatollah Obama is watching this VERY carefully! All you need is:
    – a complicit and/or cowered media…Check!
    – access to and control of all communicatons…Check!
    – a loyal cadre of idealogues will to do anything to amass and defend their power…Check!

    Consider that there are only TWO remaining national media voices that do NOT march in goose-step with the Obama Regime: The Wall Street Journal and FoxNews.

    Consider that Obama has just created an “Information Czar” who will have TOTAL access and “in times of emergency” TOTAL control. I found the “in times of emergency” section of the announcement to be way past chilling…since the Obama Regime declares a new “emergency” every single day!

    Consider that ACORN and the announced (though not yet formed) “Civilian Defense Force” constitute a huge force that Obama will have at his disposal.

    Obama is watching Iran carefully all right…he’s looking for tips!

  2. 2009 June 20 5:49 am
    chekote permalink

    A tweet from Iran:

    Hossein Obama – The world is watching

    Americans and the world will come to regret their “love affair with Obama”

  3. 2009 June 20 5:51 am
    chekote permalink

    We are getting a preview of what the world looks like without American leadership i.e. oppression flourishes.

  4. 2009 June 20 5:53 am
    chekote permalink

    Not only does the GOP needs a Reagan, but also America and anyone around the world who seeks freedom and human rights.

  5. 2009 June 20 6:03 am
    Brandon permalink

    Heavy showers and thunderstorms about to hit. Looks like a Saturday stuck indoors.

  6. 2009 June 20 6:04 am
    chekote permalink

    Hey Brandon!

  7. 2009 June 20 6:05 am
    chekote permalink

    This is a repeat of Hungary 1956. Very sad.

  8. 2009 June 20 6:09 am
    Brandon permalink

    Hey Chek, RINO meeting this Wednesday at 8, you coming? It’s your turn to bring the dessert.

  9. 2009 June 20 6:10 am
    Brandon permalink

    1956….waaaay before my time.

  10. 2009 June 20 6:14 am
    Brandon permalink

    Obama at 54/46 today in Rasmussen, and +1 in the approval index.

  11. 2009 June 20 6:17 am
    Brandon permalink

    Hey Chek, if you get a chance, read this article. I would love to hear your thoughts.

  12. 2009 June 20 6:18 am
    chekote permalink

    I will bring Tiramisu’ at the RINO meeting.

  13. 2009 June 20 6:33 am
    chekote permalink


    Very smart strategy by Christie. This would be great:

    “If he takes Reginald Jackson or Cory Booker to the worst school in Newark, and they do a photo op and Chris Christie says, ‘Fifty years ago, Democrats stood in the schoolhouse doors and told little black kids you can’t go in; today Democrats tell little black kids you can’t get out’ — then, you’ve got an issue,” he said.

    I do believe school choice is the issue that will bring minorities to the GOP. Social issues will not do the trick.

  14. 2009 June 20 6:35 am
    justrand permalink

    Brandon: “1956….waaaay before my time.”

    If you read my Cost of Freedom post yesterday it’ll tell you all you need to know. The parallels are striking.

    The big difference is that Iran is MUCH better at supressing their people that even Hungary was.

    chekote is absolutely right when she says: “We are getting a preview of what the world looks like without American leadership i.e. oppression flourishes.

    The single biggest reason why Obama needed to take a stand on this was that the ABSENCE of a stand gives tacit approval to the thugs in Iran.

    This is US in 5-10 years…maybe much sooner

  15. 2009 June 20 6:40 am
    chekote permalink

    Well I am having to watch CNN since Fox is wasting its time with E! Channel worthy news. A CNN analyst said that the Mousavi supporters don’t like the fact that the rest of the world sees Iran as “evil” thanks to Iamadinnerjack’s. Hmmm….. who was the first to label Iran’s regime as “evil”?

  16. 2009 June 20 6:48 am
    justrand permalink

    I agree that CNN is doing a very good job on this…and FoxNews is an utter no-show!

    Iran IS evil. They are the biggest sponsor of terrorism in the world. They have their people in TOTAL lock-down…70 million of them. And they make people “disappear” with total impunity!

    That IS evil!

    the morons who spouted off about “America is a police-State” under Bush did themselves and everyone else a massive disservice.

    want to see what a “Police State” looks like? Iran.

    What is the ONLY thing standing between us and that? the 2nd Amendment. everything else can be washed away in moments.

  17. 2009 June 20 6:51 am
    chekote permalink

    Iranian TV reports a blast at the Imam Khomeini Mausoleum. An Iranian expert said that the regime itself was behind the blast so that they can blame it on the protesters. He also asked “Where are the images of the blast?” Interesting.

  18. 2009 June 20 6:53 am
    chekote permalink


    Getting tired of Fox. Too much “LIndsey Lohan” type of coverage.

  19. 2009 June 20 6:57 am
    chekote permalink

    From A. Sulivan:

    A reader writes: “I’m keeping in touch with my relatives in Tehran. They have heard about the bomb blast at the Khomeini mausoleum. People say that this is most likely the government. The mullahs did something similar in August 1978 in Iran – They set a cinema in Abadan ablaze and blamed the Shah. That was the turning point of that revolution as the people began to see the Shah as ruthless.”

  20. 2009 June 20 7:00 am
    justrand permalink

    the “Reichstag Fire” gambit…an oldie but a goodie!

    all you need to make it work is TOTAL control of the information flow. they have that

    FoxNews is very dissappointing today…but at least they exist.

    If the Left succeeds in shutting down FoxNews and TalkRadio, we will have near total lock-step in the broadcast media. ala Iran

  21. 2009 June 20 7:02 am
    conservativetony permalink

    Hello, everybody

    I’m still a little behind on the Iran uprising. Can you guys point me to some good sites so I can catch up?

  22. 2009 June 20 7:02 am
    chekote permalink

    Amazing to think that the Left can muster millions in the street to protest George Bush and not a soul to support the freedom fighters in Iran. Pathetic.

  23. 2009 June 20 7:03 am
    chekote permalink


    ANdrew Sullivan has a lot of feeds, videos, tweets. You just have to ignore his Obama lovefest stuff.

  24. 2009 June 20 7:04 am
    justrand permalink

    supposedly from just a short while ago…impossible to verify anything, of course

  25. 2009 June 20 7:06 am
    chekote permalink


    I agree that Fox and talk radio is all we have but they need to get their act together. Even Rush needs to get his game back.

  26. 2009 June 20 7:07 am
    chekote permalink

    Iranian state TV said that Mousavi will be held responsible for anything that happens for holding illegal demonstations. Why am I not surprised?

  27. 2009 June 20 7:12 am
    conservativetony permalink

    Thanks, Chekote. I’ll check it out.

  28. 2009 June 20 7:16 am
    chekote permalink

    Anybody who has any doubts about the Second Amendment being the guarantor of our freedom, watch this video and think how it would be different if the people of Iran had the means to defend themselves:

  29. 2009 June 20 7:17 am
    chekote permalink


    Just ignore the Obama love fest. I am still hopeful that Sullivan WILL get his head our of Obama’s arse one of these days.

  30. 2009 June 20 7:23 am
    chekote permalink

    Unfortunately, most Americans are selfish and couldn’t care less about freedom in Iran. The GOP needs to explain that democracy in Iran also serves our economic and strategic interests. Freeodm is good for everybody.

  31. 2009 June 20 7:23 am
    justrand permalink

    agree totally with chekote’s assessment…here another video

  32. 2009 June 20 7:27 am
    janzam permalink


    Another good Iranian blogger site is :

    Revolutionary Road

    A young man by the name of saeed valadbaygi seems to be sending info out on it and on to facebook.

  33. 2009 June 20 7:29 am
    chekote permalink

    Alaska supports Sotomayor’s decision in the firefighters case.

    What does Sarah Palin have to say?

  34. 2009 June 20 7:30 am
    justrand permalink

    the Iranian regime has created its “fog of war” scenario, and it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to tell what’s happening.

    on Twitter right now there is as much DIS-information as information…maybe more. No way to know when videos are from, or where they are from.

    Americans MUST take note of this.

    I would fear and oppose a Conservative lock-step to media, just as much as I fear a “Progressive” lock-step to media. 90+% of all media in this country SELF identify themselves as “Progressive” or “Liberal”. If that doesn’t terrify you then you’re not paying attention!

  35. 2009 June 20 7:33 am
    drdog09 permalink

    Good morning all. DbD has a good one today — link

  36. 2009 June 20 7:34 am
    chekote permalink

    Supposedly two people got killed at the Khomeni’s shrine blast. Still no images from Iranian state TV.

  37. 2009 June 20 7:37 am
    janzam permalink

    We are getting a preview of what the world looks like without American leadership i.e. oppression flourishes. Chek

    Thought Chek’s comment was spot on.

    The news, like Justrand has said, is really fragmented, coming out of Iran. Using tear gas seems to have been effective in dispursing small crowds, so they don’t grow into the larger ones that have been reported over the last week.

    It goes to show you that when you have the military, guns and media on your side you can dilute rebellion in a hurry.

    It will take a special kind of courage for the Iranian people to overcome this harsh of a repression — especially with little to none outside support.

  38. 2009 June 20 7:37 am
    janzam permalink

    ‘morning drdog!

  39. 2009 June 20 7:43 am
    conservativetony permalink

    Thank for the add’l site Jan.

    I was listening to some of the gunfire in JustRand’s link. I’d be willing to bet typical Iranian citizens do not own guns. Anybody know if that’s the case?

    That video is exactly what we are going to look like if we keep allowing more and more of our freedoms to be taken away.

  40. 2009 June 20 7:43 am
    drdog09 permalink

    And of course there is this ominous note for all the Kalifornians on the list —

    SAN FRANCISCO, June 19 (Reuters) – California, struggling to close a $24.3 billion budget gap, faces the prospect of a “multi-notch” downgrade in its credit rating if the state’s legislature fails to act quickly to produce a budget, Moody’s Investors Service warned on Friday.

    The ratings agency’s decision to place California’s general obligation debt on alert for such a dramatic possible downgrade stunned state officials.

    “I cannot remember reading a ratings note that raised the specter of a multi-notch downgrade,” said H.D. Palmer, a spokesman for Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. “It’s another clear warning from the financial markets that there will be substantial and costly consequences if the legislature does not send the governor a budget that he can sign.”

    Moody’s in a statement cited California’s expected massive shortfall for fiscal 2010 of more than 20 percent of its general fund budget and limited options for plugging it.

  41. 2009 June 20 7:43 am
    drdog09 permalink

    janzam, thx. Same back to ya!

  42. 2009 June 20 7:53 am
    justrand permalink, how DARE they label our Junk Bonds “JUNK”!

    the “lawmakers” in Sacramento have as much of a clue as to how to “fix” the State budget as our new kitten does (actually, given her intense focus on batting a ball around the floor, she is probably BETTER qualified!)

    CA “Lawmakers”: “hmmm…we’re spending MORE money than we take in. therefore we should…um…spend more? Yup, that’s what we’ll do!”


  43. 2009 June 20 7:56 am
    conservativetony permalink

    Jan, that Revolutionary Road site is awesome. The comments following Saeed’s posts are incredible. LINK

    Those people sacrifice everything for just a taste of freedom, while this country is doing what it can to shitcan ours.

  44. 2009 June 20 7:57 am
    drdog09 permalink

    JR, I hear ya.

    Has anyone done a study to test the water in Sacremento? You look at the voting record of the State by county it is surprisingly red. Its only a beltway of coastal cities that are causing the problems there.

  45. 2009 June 20 8:02 am
    JustMary permalink

    Looking for protests this morning, and seeing them- just not with the same numbers as before. Are they really rolling over?

  46. 2009 June 20 8:14 am
    conservativetony permalink

    Anybody have any links on where Obama stands on this? Has he been silent?

    I realize he started his ‘discussion’ on immigration yesterday, so that probably means he has moved on from the Iran issue…………

  47. 2009 June 20 8:17 am
    justrand permalink

    JM, they haven’t rolled over…they’re being ROLLED over.

    near total control of media…unarmed populace…no outside support

    of course, that’s Obama’s dream for US!

    still, the twitter sites indicate some folks are taking the streets…we’ll see. the revolutionary road site that chekote linked above is very good, btw

  48. 2009 June 20 8:21 am
    conservativetony permalink

    Justrand, check out the comment section is that Rev Road site under Saeed’s posts. Incredible.

    Those people fight for just a taste of the freedoms we are trying to throw away. We should all be Iranian for a day.

  49. 2009 June 20 8:25 am
    janzam permalink

    Saeed has been one of the most constant posters that I’ve seen so far.

    I hooked onto to facebook several days ago, just so I could personally get to his facebook page, which has even more info on the goings on in Iran.

  50. 2009 June 20 8:46 am
    janzam permalink

    A good article in the New York Post by Amir Taheri:

    Yesterday’s events showed that there are two Irans.

    One Iran is still loyal to Khomeinism and prepared to give Khamenei the benefit of the doubt — hoping that the moribund Islamic revolution can be revived and resume its strategy of global conquest. Support for this Iran is shrinking as the nationwide protest movement strikes roots among the popular masses.

    Then there is a second Iran — one that wishes to cease to be a cause and yearns to again be an ordinary nation enjoying a dignified place in the international community. This second Iran has not yet identified its own leaders. For now, it is prepared to bet on former Prime Minister Mir Hussein Mousavi, Ahmadinejad’s chief rival in last week’s election.

    Deepening Divisions

    Does anyone know where INC is?

  51. 2009 June 20 8:49 am
    JustMary permalink

    Email me his name, Jan, and I will go look him up on facebook as well.

  52. 2009 June 20 8:52 am
    justrand permalink

    70 million people…and now the number of unique FREE sources of information out of that country is down to a very small handful.

    Looking on Twitter quickly confirms that the information and videos that are being passed around come from a tiny number of people, and are just re-cycled.

    REMEMBER The coming combination of the “Fairness Doctrine” and the “Hate Speech” legislation will establish our “beloved” government as THE SOLE AUTHORITY on what speech is “fair” and “non-hateful”. Just like Iran. And we will find NO allies from the Left in our fight to retain freedom of speech and assembly.

  53. 2009 June 20 9:04 am
    janzam permalink


    His name is saeed valadbaygi. I cited his name when I posted the Revolutionary Blog site further back in the thread.

    I have to agree with Justrand that the info coming, even from Saeed, is down to a trickle from what it was just a day ago. I don’t know how the Iranian regime can do it, but they have been highly successful at containing the news in their country.

    Hopefully the convictions of the people will be able to override the tyranny of their government.

  54. 2009 June 20 9:10 am
    justrand permalink

    it appears the Iranian police and their thugs are indeed killing Iranian protesters now. the Iranians may soon realize they are going to die EITHER WAY.

    Omaha Beach, June 6, 1944. General Cota looking about at his men who were dying in bunches and famously said:
    Hell, men, we’re getting killed here on the beach. We might as well go a little farther in and get killed there!

    when you nuthin’…you got nuthin’ to lose!

  55. 2009 June 20 9:15 am
    janzam permalink

    This snippet from Urgent Agenda Blog dovetails into what Brandon posted earlier:

    PRESIDENTIAL NUMBERS – AT 9:54 A.M. ET: In polling we look for trends, not individual snapshots in time. The Rasmussen daily tracking poll, which can be erratic at times, has been showing a fairly consistent drift downward for the president since about June 12th, a bit more than a week. Today’s results show 54% of those polled approve of the president’s performance as opposed to 46% who disapprove.

    Rasmussen’s presidential approval index, measuring the gap between those who strongly approve and those who strongly disapprove, is down to one point, 34-33, same as yesterday.

    These results do not take into account the full impact of reaction to Mr. Obama’s handling of the Iran eruptions.

    I wonder how Mr. Obama’s disinterest in the Iranian crisis will effect his poll numbers?

  56. 2009 June 20 9:18 am
    justrand permalink

    janzam: “I wonder how Mr. Obama’s disinterest in the Iranian crisis will effect his poll numbers?”

    the Neville Chamberlain wing of the Democrat Party will back him even more. “normal” Democrats, if there are any left, will reject him.

    sadly, I fear that the Neville Chamberlain wing of the Democrat Party IS the Democrat Party nowadays. They would do ANYTHING and sell out ANYONE to ensure that they personally aren’t inconvenienced. Pathetic

  57. 2009 June 20 9:25 am
    janzam permalink

    Neville Chamberlain…..why don’t we learn our lessons from the past.

    update on the Iranian scene: They (the govt.) have had helicopters above the people, spraying “chemicals” on them, as a deterrent!

    Horrible, just horrible!

  58. 2009 June 20 9:46 am
    justrand permalink

    by all accounts the “vigorous debate” in Iran has led to numerous deaths today. I don’t know if that’s how debates went at Harvard…but it certainly isn’t how I remember them!

  59. 2009 June 20 9:47 am
    drdog09 permalink

    “the Neville Chamberlain wing of the Democrat Party will back him even more. “normal” Democrats, if there are any left, will reject him.” — JR

    Keep in mind Congress by what was a 405-1 margin stood with the dissidents. So some Dims had to be in the mix for it to pass.

  60. 2009 June 20 9:51 am
    justrand permalink

    drdog…agreed, except how many of them went along out of simple expeiency? lots, I believe

  61. 2009 June 20 9:51 am
    drdog09 permalink

    A partial reason that the crowds are not out in force is that the govt is controlling/patrolling the streets. Without sufficient numbers to make mass arrests impractical the govt can maintain suppression.

    Either way though, the current government is toast. A sufficient % of the populace now know their government for what it is. This also means that Iran’s meddling may decrease outside its borders. The govt now realizes they will have to go in a massive repression regimen to maintain control. That requires bodies to execute, resources that could have been sent to Syria, Hamas, etc.

  62. 2009 June 20 9:52 am
    drdog09 permalink

    drdog…agreed, except how many of them went along out of simple expeiency?

    Only God knows. But surely it was many.

  63. 2009 June 20 10:04 am
    janzam permalink

    The people taking part in the marches have said along that “sheer numbers” is shielding the single “individual,” keeping him/her safe from harm at the hands of the govt.

    That is why dissidents wanted people to even tune their twitters to Iranian locations, so as to baffle officials when they were trying to locate people getting news out into the world.

    So far, what I see, is that the govt. has been effective in discouraging large gatherings from taking place, which I guess is a check in the box next to “success” for their efforts to thwart the people, today.

    However, I think Drdog is right, (at least I hope he is right) that the people now see the corruption in their govt., and outrightly have lost respect for their supreme leader, Khamenei, which, all unto itself, could spell eventual doom for the regime as it now stands today.

    In other words, the govt. may have lost the war by winning the skirmish!

  64. 2009 June 20 10:04 am
    phineas gage permalink

    ‘Either way though, the current government is toast’

    The government of Iran, in whatever incarnation, is a fraud and a sham. The mullahs run the country as an iron-fisted theocracy. What they say, goes. They will appoint whatever puppets they choose.

    Things have gone about as I expected. The upcoming repression will be brutal and widespread. And the brief flickering light of liberty will be firmly extinguished, just as it was in China.

    One wonders how much difference vigorous support from the United States in the form of strong presidential actions would have made, as it did in the case of Reagan’s support of Poland?

    Sadly, we will never know. We will also never know how many brave heroes have been killed and tortured to death in dank dungeons because of the cowardice of the marxist and his appalling moral equivalency.

    I have never despised the elected political leadership of this country more than I do at this moment.

  65. 2009 June 20 10:07 am
    phineas gage permalink

    Prediction: within 6 months the marxist receives Ahmadinejad at the White House, smiling and shaking hands. There will be nothing in the Rose Garden statement about the innocent victims.

    The marxist now has blood on his hands.

  66. 2009 June 20 10:15 am
    drdog09 permalink

    I would not be surprised to see many top level military and govt type defect out of there to the West. Would only seem a natural reaction to what is going to happen once the vice is squeezed.

  67. 2009 June 20 10:22 am
    justrand permalink

    phineas gage: “Prediction: within 6 months the marxist receives Ahmadinejad at the White House, smiling and shaking hands. There will be nothing in the Rose Garden statement about the innocent victims.

    Agreed…and one step further, I believe the Ayatollah Obama will mention the “vigorous debate” that took place and describe it as “healthy”!

  68. 2009 June 20 10:26 am
    Brandon permalink

    This is interesting:

    Editorial note: Gallup will not publish new Gallup Poll Daily tracking results Saturday, June 20. The next update will be Sunday, June 21.

    I bet they got a word from Dear Leader. He didn’t like their results.

  69. 2009 June 20 10:34 am
    drdog09 permalink

    Brandon, either that or the results are so bad they want to offer it up as a Fathers Day gift 😀

  70. 2009 June 20 10:40 am
    aureliusx permalink

    Missed opportunity of the century.

    Think the CNN webpage is bad, with only a mention of Obama cracking jokes at a dinner party while Iran burns? Maybe that’s their domestic coverage?

    Nope, go to (I always track their international webpage– very interesting how far left they go on that one). The headline is Iran and the exploding protests. Only mention of Obama on the entire page?

    “Comedian-in-chief? Obama’s funny turn”

    This is Obama’s Katrina, except in this case the President really is failing to do something he should.

  71. 2009 June 20 10:47 am
    drdog09 permalink

    And DbD punches out another one right at ‘O’ on the Iran situation — link.

  72. 2009 June 20 10:50 am
    justrand permalink

    aureliusx: “This is Obama’s Katrina, except in this case the President really is failing to do something he should.

    Exactly, Katrina was only “Bush’s Katrina” because the media labeled it so!

  73. 2009 June 20 10:56 am
    JustMary permalink

    Obama’s Katrina was Kentucky, only the media gave him a squeaky clean free pass. He had his heater cranked, boozy parties and expensive steaks…..while the people froze to death. Obama will never have a Katrina in the media’s eyes. If another town flooded despite the levees that they were warned had to be replaced, Obama would show up, walk on the water….and they would declare the second coming of Christ.

  74. 2009 June 20 11:39 am
    janzam permalink

    The headline is Iran and the exploding protests. Only mention of Obama on the entire page? Aurelius

    Everywhere, that is all the MSM is talking about, that stupid dinner and Obama’s jokes!

    With N. Korea acting like a rampaging teen, Iranian rights being physically trampled on, and “O” stays out of the fray and gets the smiling press to report on his smoozing.

    I just don’t believe it. Shaking head in dismay!

  75. 2009 June 20 11:53 am
    justrand permalink

    Justmary hit it just right…Obama cannot, by definition, have a “Katrina”, because “Katrina” has become another word for “Failure” and Obama, by definition, cannot every fail!

    so you’re right to shake you head in dismay, janzam. If Bush went to that stupid dinner while all this was going on, the media would be outraged at his lack of focus and concern. In Obama’s case they assume it shows just how in control he is! *dreamy drippy sigh*

  76. 2009 June 20 12:05 pm
    aureliusx permalink

    If only we had 200,000 battle-hardened troops ready to go in a country bordering Iran…. we could support the local groundswell of freedom, spread democracy and human rights, depose the major state supporter of terrorism worldwide, and eliminate an avowed threat to our closest allies.

    Oh well, just dreamin’.

  77. 2009 June 20 12:09 pm
    aureliusx permalink

    Oh is aurelius really suggesting that? You bet I am. with the popular support on the street? the opportunity may never come again.

    There is a tide in the affairs of men–

  78. 2009 June 20 12:10 pm
    chekote permalink

    I have posted this before but I have to post it again. The Left was able to put millions on the street protesting against the removal of a brutal dictator, Saddam Hussein, yet it can’t manage to put ONE sould on the street to protest the brutality of the Iranian mullahs. Don’t let anybody tell you that the Left is for human rights, freedom or women’s rights. They are pathetic. They are morally banktupt. Proud to be a conservative.

  79. 2009 June 20 12:13 pm
    chekote permalink

    This is not about a rigged vote anymore. This is about freedom. It looks like that the policy of removing Saddam, replacing him with a Islamic democracy has had the effect of changing the trajectory of the region. Thank you, George Bush.

  80. 2009 June 20 12:16 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    Statement from the President on Iran

    The Iranian government must understand that the world is watching. We mourn each and every innocent life that is lost. We call on the Iranian government to stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people. The universal rights to assembly and free speech must be respected, and the United States stands with all who seek to exercise those rights.

    As I said in Cairo, suppressing ideas never succeeds in making them go away. The Iranian people will ultimately judge the actions of their own government. If the Iranian government seeks the respect of the international community, it must respect the dignity of its own people and govern through consent, not coercion.

    Martin Luther King once said – “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” I believe that. The international community believes that. And right now, we are bearing witness to the Iranian peoples’ belief in that truth, and we will continue to bear witness.

    Obama is out of his league on this issue. Reagan would have sent ships to the area to show solidarity with the Iranian people. He would have used this as a catalyst to attempt to push the regime out and install a pro-America president. Hell, he probably would have shown up in the area wearing green.

    Obama wants the regime to be nice and to honor the ‘debate’.

  81. 2009 June 20 12:19 pm
    janzam permalink

    Good post, Chekote (12:13PM)!

    I agree that the impetus of a fraudulent election is fading in light of the demand for generalized freedom.

    Mousavi has become but a figurehead of movement. They care less for who he really is, but more that he represents a step away from being under the foot of a theocracy.

  82. 2009 June 20 12:20 pm
    chekote permalink

    Take a look of the picture of the woman on this link. What courage! It is inspiring.

  83. 2009 June 20 12:23 pm
    chekote permalink

    I am sure that Obama is frustrated that he might not have the opportunity to implement his plan to make nice with Iamadinnerjack and put Israel in jeopardy. God will always protect Israel.

  84. 2009 June 20 12:24 pm
    janzam permalink

    People are politely but desparately looking for Obama’s backbone!

    AFP reports that the White House on Thursday “defended President Barack Obama’s stance on Iran’s political crisis, amid fresh Republican demands for him to strongly back demonstrators in Tehran.” Despite a New York Times report that Secretary Clinton and Vice President Joe Biden have been urging the White House “to take a slightly stronger tone in favor of the protestors,” AFP notes that White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said, “There’s no debate in the White House. Everybody’s on the same page. There’s no difference of opinion.”

    USA Today, meanwhile, reports that “Obama is taking heat for his measured comments,” with “Republicans such as John McCain, Obama’s rival in last year’s US election,” accusing him “of not doing enough to help democratic supporters in Iran.”

    White House defends Iran stance

  85. 2009 June 20 12:28 pm
    chekote permalink

    I don’t care what Obama has to say or does. Just ignore that empty suit. He is irrelevant. That’s the approach the GOP needs to take. We will do and say what we think is right. The president can do what he wants. Again, he is irrelevant.

  86. 2009 June 20 12:32 pm
    janzam permalink

    Irrelevant or not, Obama is our current “elected” leader. So, what he says and does not do does matter, whether we like it or not.

    Also, Chek, like the Sullivan site, especially the fact that he puts the Tweets in green — quite a contrasting and symbolic way to put commentary into text.

  87. 2009 June 20 12:39 pm
    chekote permalink


    We need to act like he is “irrelevant”. That will expose him for the empty suit he is. Our leaders need to step up, like Pence and McCain did, do and say what is right. I would not criticize Obama because then it looks “political”. Just ignore him. Act like he is not our “leader”. Because he is not. He is an aberration.

  88. 2009 June 20 12:42 pm
    justrand permalink

    by all accounts, and I have been to lots of sites, the Iranian people got kicked in the teeth today…brutally. also, by all accounts the government is actually going to be MORE brutal tomorrow.

    Obama has demanded and gotten more network TV time, and on shorter notice, than ANY President in history. And for dramatically LESS important subjects.

    If he sits idly by while this “Tehran Spring” is crushed his name will synonymous with “Shit!” in Iran…as is it becoming here!

    Skip 20 minutes of putting practice, Barak…speak up!

  89. 2009 June 20 12:46 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    Chekote, he is everything but irrelevant is this. He should be called out for his weaknesses in not protecting average citizens–no matter where they are.

    Here’s something to consider: Obama considered himself to be an accomplished community organizer. Well, there just happens to be a community of people who want the world’s only recognized community organizer to step up and be the leader he said he was.

    Obama’s the one who called himself a citizen of the world. That makes him a citizen of Iran, too.

  90. 2009 June 20 12:51 pm
    janzam permalink

    Chek — I understand your tactic, but disagree that you can make Obama look any more of empty suit than he already is by simply igoring him.

    People like McCain, Pence, the entire Congress, can show support for the Iranians, but it is impotent until the “leader” speaks. Unfortunately we have a pacifist, or is he just passive/aggressive, type of leader in our midst.

    I also agree that it “appears” (really don’t have a complete picture because of the news blackout) that the Iranian people were hit hard today by the police and military. And, such an offensive will probably only get worse until someone breaks — it still could be the govt. that ends up on the short end of the stick, as they are outnumbered.

  91. 2009 June 20 12:54 pm
    janzam permalink

    I have a question for any of you watching the events in Tehran. Are any of Admadinejad’s supporters getting involved and fighting with Masavi’s supporters…or, is just between the police and Masavi’s people?

  92. 2009 June 20 12:57 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    by all accounts, and I have been to lots of sites, the Iranian people got kicked in the teeth today…brutally. also, by all accounts the government is actually going to be MORE brutal tomorrow.—-justand

    That’s what happens when average citizens can’t defend themselves.

  93. 2009 June 20 1:09 pm
    justrand permalink

    conservativetony, yup! But the Iranian people have 2 things going for them:
    (1) there are more protesters than people willing to brutalize them
    (2) the people brutalizing them are abject COWARDS

    if the Iranians show up in numbers tomorrow, and literally “charge the guns” they will win. Pray for them!

  94. 2009 June 20 1:13 pm
    justrand permalink

    Mark Steyn (HatTip NRO)

    only Mark Steyn could write this line:
    The President of the United States can make nice to His Hunkalicious Munificence the Supremely Supreme Leader of Leaders (Peace Be Upon Him) all he wants, but it isn’t going to be reciprocated.

  95. 2009 June 20 2:22 pm
    janzam permalink

    From Power line, an interesting video of crowd size today shot somewhere in Iran. There are people for as far as the eye can see, in both directions.

    Following events in Iran

  96. 2009 June 20 2:23 pm
    MFG permalink

    I’m not completely sure the Iranian Govt can survive this; maybe the whole country breaks down into outright civil war…???

  97. 2009 June 20 2:30 pm
    janzam permalink

    Jib-Jab humor aimed at our “Super Hero” President; H/T Hot Air

    Obama to the rescue…on everything!

  98. 2009 June 20 3:29 pm
    chekote permalink

    He should be called out for his weaknesses in not protecting average citizens–no matter where they are.

    Whenever you do that the MSM starts defending Obama and calling the attacks political. Just ignore him and do what is right.

  99. 2009 June 20 3:30 pm
    chekote permalink

    These people need moral support. Obama is not going to do that. We need to find a way to give them the support, otherwise they will get demoralized and the mullahs will win.

  100. 2009 June 20 3:33 pm
    chekote permalink

    Girls are extremely active in all these rallies (a little less in night riots where patches of young men are more visible). They courageously charge anti-riot police, chant slogans in front of them, lead the crowd, etc., but they are equally beaten too. The police seem to have no limit in the use of force. They are disproportionately violent. They don’t use fire weapons, but they don’t go easy on you with their clubs. They literally beat up protesters to death if they don’t get rescued by fellow protesters or somehow break away and run.

  101. 2009 June 20 3:53 pm
    chekote permalink

    Finally, Fox News is starting to seriously covering the Iran story.

  102. 2009 June 20 3:53 pm
    JustMary permalink

    I love the quoted comment on the front page, chek.

  103. 2009 June 20 3:56 pm
    JustMary permalink

    I ventured over to msnbc to see what coverage they had on Iran, when I stumbled upon this story.

    You know what you may want to mention about Fathers, Obummer? Greater love hath no man than this…….there are fathers in the streets of Iran right now because they are willing to die in the place of their sons! In their minds- if a war for freedom be faught, let it be now! THAT is love. Perhaps you could take a break from your ice cream and share that with the Iranian fathers out there today.

  104. 2009 June 20 4:07 pm
    chekote permalink

    Thanks JM.

    Conservatives are the one who care about people and rights. We just need to find a way to let the world know who we are.

  105. 2009 June 20 4:20 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    aureliusx permalink

    Oh is aurelius really suggesting that? You bet I am. with the popular support on the street? the opportunity may never come again.

    Senate Hearings —

    [Waxman]: So tell me general did you think it was wise to initiate hot pursuit action against Iranian jihadists all the way to Tehran?
    [General]: It was one of those things Senator. Once Esfahan and Qom fell as open cities it was easier to drive on to Tehran. They had the bigger airport.

    Besides your party wanted an exit strategy, I gave you one.

    [Waxman]: I see. Page, what is for lunch?

    I wish….

  106. 2009 June 20 4:51 pm
    justrand permalink

    drdog…there is good news and bad news in your fantasy Congressional hearing

    Good news: it would be SWEEEEEEEEEET if we DID liberate Tehran
    Bad news: you made Henry “WTF?” Waxman a SENATOR!!! ohmygawd!!

  107. 2009 June 20 4:55 pm
    justrand permalink

    I actually did wonder why Obama, the world’s greatest camera hog, issued a WRITTEN statement instead a taped or live one today.

    Update (AP): CBS reporter Mark Knoller reports that the president decided today of all days would be a good time for a leisurely trip to the ice-cream parlor.

    yup…the kiddies needed ice cream, so an outing was arranged lasting several hours. hattip HotAir for picture:

  108. 2009 June 20 4:57 pm
    JustMary permalink

    Good timing, Dad. 😆 I sent Mark Knoller this tweet about a minute ago:

    And here the Bible never got around to telling us what God’s favorite ice cream flavor was. Now we know it is Vanilla. Thanks!

  109. 2009 June 20 5:05 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Bad news: you made Henry “WTF?” Waxman a SENATOR!!! — JR

    Well is was Fantasy Politics…..:D

  110. 2009 June 20 5:12 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Hey we should know ‘O’s SOP by now. It is right out of his ‘community organizing’ playbook. If you are a charity one cannot tick off anyone as you depend on both sides of the fence for current/future funding. To take a position is to cut off the opportunity to get endowed. Has operated that way ever since his days with that Anneberg school effort.

    Sadly it does not work when your the not-great-leader of the free world. (Or what is left of it.)

  111. 2009 June 20 5:18 pm
    justrand permalink

    Obama’s cushy seat on the fence is an insult to every American President (ok, maybe not Carter).

    the whirrrring sound heard near John F. Kennedy’s grave the past few days is him spinning at high speed…remembering his innauguration speech:
    Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty

    58 years later Barack Obama’s immortal words have replaced those:
    I’ll have a double butter-pecan…and make it SNAPPY, my man!”

  112. 2009 June 20 5:29 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    Well, if these brave people can stand up in defiance to these thugs, then I can do the same.

    When ACORN knocks on my door, I will refuse to answer their questions.

  113. 2009 June 20 5:38 pm

    Just like with Georgia it’s now taken about a week for Obama to be pressured toward the correct position, he didn’t deliver it on camera because I don’t think it’s a statement he actually wanted to make. Pathetic.

  114. 2009 June 20 5:41 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    From the ‘In case anybody was wondering’ file

    Schlep Smith just asked somebody how Obama was keeping up with all that’s going on in Iran.

    This was after Obama had released his second statement–on Iran.

  115. 2009 June 20 5:41 pm

    {ot} – I’m on WiMax via clearwire now, I don’t know exactly what the issue is but the cname record for redirecting to now results in an empty page, which is odd since on att it works correctly redirecting fine. Thoughts Dog? (both resolve to the correct ip though so I’m at a loss)

  116. 2009 June 20 5:42 pm

    Of all the people I can’t believe they chose Schlep Smith to do the extended coverage of this, only one worse would have be jerkraldo.

  117. 2009 June 20 5:46 pm
    conservativetony permalink


    I’m also hearing the usual gibberish from the pundit crowd. ‘He say’s little, that makes him look strong’. ‘He made a statement today, that makes him look strong’. ‘He waited a week to make a statement, that makes him look strong.’ ‘He waited until Congress had their say, that makes him look strong.’ ‘He used Twitter, that makes him look strong.’

  118. 2009 June 20 5:50 pm
    drdog09 permalink


    Assuming you have done the usual browser flush how about trying this. Tack OpenDNS as your third DNS provider on your router. If that clears it up I bet Clearwire has a really old and large cache in their DNS resolver.

  119. 2009 June 20 5:53 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    I’m also hearing the usual gibberish from the pundit crowd. ‘He say’s little, that makes him look strong’. — CT

    Hard to say anything with TutiFrutti stuck in your mouth 🙁

  120. 2009 June 20 5:57 pm
    JustMary permalink

    He’s saying little, because he can’t speak and take notes at the same time! He needs to know how to effectively handle future American protests! Remove guns, check…..dump chemicals, check…..I won, check…oh wait….have the “I won” part down already.

  121. 2009 June 20 6:01 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    Now you’ve done it, KH. WhoreAldo just came on.

    Time to move on.

  122. 2009 June 20 6:04 pm
    bc3b permalink

    2009 June 20 6:09 am Brandon wrote:

    “Hey Chek, RINO meeting this Wednesday at 8, you coming? It’s your turn to bring the dessert.”

    Everyone brings dessert to RINO meetings. RINOs are all about sweetness and (Dem) lite. There’s never any meat and potatoes. By the way, Dan Quayle spells the word “potato” correctly in its plural form.

    Down at the Jersey Shore this week. Lots of driving, which is why I have not been active posting on BJG. Pleasantly surprised not to see any toxic bogs so far in the “Garden State.”

  123. 2009 June 20 6:06 pm

    “WhoreAldo just came on. ” – I just noticed.

    “Tack OpenDNS as your third DNS provider on your router.”

    Funny enough I’ve tried that, In fact even tried just using my local dns server with it set to use open dns and others as forwarders and pointing my various boxes to it.
    The records it pulls back are fine, and no different then the records pulled back from att’s dns and yet all 5 of my systems have that issue both in ie6\ie7\ie8 & ff2x\ff3x. Weird arse problem, though I know calling’s support will be a pointless endeavor and a waste of my and there time.

  124. 2009 June 20 6:07 pm

    btw my comment apparently just got snagged by the spam filter some how can someone release.

    oh great now wes clark is getting face time.

  125. 2009 June 20 6:10 pm
    justrand permalink

    Obama dictated the memo to a Staffer on his way out the door for ice cream…I imagine this was close to what happened:

    Obama:…and I believe the Albanian people have a
    Staffer:uh, it’s the Iranians, Sir.
    Obama:whatever, just fill in the name…don’t we like have a template for this stuff?
    Staffer:uh, no Sir…this should reflect your deep concern for a particular people.
    Obama:What people?
    Staffer:The Iranians, Sir.
    Obama:Yeah, right. Ok. I believe the…those people…have a right to not be…oh shit, now I’m late for ice cream with the kids!! Look, Fred, just send something out showing my true concern for those people and mention freedom and stuff like that. OK?
    Staffer:uh, yes Sir…and my name is John, Sir.
    Obama:Yeah…right, thanks Jim.

  126. 2009 June 20 6:11 pm

    btw I’ve been thinking all day where is Sean Penn and Danny Glover? Shouldn’t they be flying to Iran to “investigate” ?

  127. 2009 June 20 6:12 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    Iranian Tea Party.

  128. 2009 June 20 6:12 pm
    justrand permalink

    all comments have been FREED! 🙂

  129. 2009 June 20 6:13 pm

    {repost – will try breaking it up}
    “WhoreAldo just came on. ”
    – I just noticed that – gag.

    “Tack OpenDNS as your third DNS provider on your router.”

    Funny enough I’ve tried that, In fact even tried just using my local dns server with it set to use open dns and others as forwarders and pointing my various boxes to it.

  130. 2009 June 20 6:13 pm

    opps.. guess I should be more patient huh… lol

  131. 2009 June 20 6:14 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    Justrand, could you release that YouTube vide in my post? It’ll make me look brilliant.

  132. 2009 June 20 6:14 pm

    Thanks JR.

  133. 2009 June 20 6:16 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Thank God for the remote. That way I don’t have to get up when WhoreAldo or Shep Smith come on FNC (or during the Great American Panel or Fox “No Stars”).

  134. 2009 June 20 6:17 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    No Stars. LOL

  135. 2009 June 20 6:18 pm

    Tell you though it’s so nice to have some real g..dam bandwidth again.

  136. 2009 June 20 6:20 pm

    Hmm Jerkraldo or C.Ammonpor (fox vs cnn) can’t decided which is worse, and I refused to even check MSNBC.

  137. 2009 June 20 6:25 pm
    justrand permalink

    Tony…no more comments await freedom! 🙁

    perhaps Justmary’s “skills” are called for!!

  138. 2009 June 20 6:25 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    Justrand, your comment on Wizbang was awesome.

  139. 2009 June 20 6:26 pm

    Relating to the chek quote where are the calls to the UN to monitor and speak up about “human rights”? Not that I want the u.n. involved but we normally see call of this when the jews do a little head cracking with terrorists in there back yard why not the same here. On right that would be being consistent.

  140. 2009 June 20 6:26 pm

    His comments as wizbang usually are. lol 🙂

  141. 2009 June 20 6:29 pm

    Haha.. geraldo.. it’s the 3am call and the phone is still ringing off the hook.

  142. 2009 June 20 6:30 pm
    justrand permalink

    hattip HotAir:

    Update (AP): [excerpt of Mousavi letter to Obama]
    In the name of the Iranian people, we want you to know that when you recently made the statement “Achmadinejad or Mousavi? Two of a kind,” we consider this as a grave and deep insult, not just to Mr. Mousavi but especially against the judgment of the Iranian people, against our moral conviction and intelligence, especially those of the young generation that comprises a population of 31 million.
    It is a specially grave insult for those who are now fighting for democracy and freedom, and an unwarranted gift and even praise for Mr. Khamenei, whose security forces are now killing peaceful Iranians

  143. 2009 June 20 6:30 pm

    John @Powerline nails it with post about the afternoon wh statement

  144. 2009 June 20 6:32 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    Are embedded videos still allowed from us regular folk?

  145. 2009 June 20 6:33 pm
    JustMary permalink

    Tony- if you give me the link to the video, I will embed it for you. 🙂

  146. 2009 June 20 6:34 pm

    I though I saw one here in the comments the other day by someone… could have been one of the proprietors though.

  147. 2009 June 20 6:36 pm
    justrand permalink

    KnightHawk, a few comments up I provided the “behind-the-scenes” look at how that splendid White House statement was crafted!!! 🙂

  148. 2009 June 20 6:39 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    Thanks, JustMary.

    You’re welcome, scroll up to see it. -Mary

  149. 2009 June 20 6:43 pm
    RepublicanPundit permalink

    John Hindraker at Powerline always nails it. Great article.

  150. 2009 June 20 6:43 pm
    justrand permalink

    great video link, Tony…just imagine that many Americans at a TeaParty rally? 🙂

    p.s. imagine that many ARMED Americans?? That’s what keep Obama up at night! I fear more and more it WILL come to that!

  151. 2009 June 20 6:45 pm

    I saw that, it really simple, he’s risk adverse part of that is just politics and part of it is driven by the fact he’s and most in his administration are in over there heads.
    There’s a reason Hillary’s ain’t out making statements and it’s not because she’s in full agreement with Obumbler, or cause she fubar’d her elbow.

  152. 2009 June 20 6:45 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    Taxation without representation


    Brutal dictatorship without representation.

  153. 2009 June 20 6:47 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    Why was Hillary on her elbows in the first place?

  154. 2009 June 20 6:48 pm

    Who are these american protesters saying “we voted for Mousavi”… um are they saying they voted last week and then flew back to the US to protest here? I doubt it.

  155. 2009 June 20 6:49 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    Gotta lay down for a while you guys. I laughed to hard at my own post and now I’m drained of energy.

    Still recuperating.

  156. 2009 June 20 6:49 pm
    JustMary permalink

    Why was Hillary on her elbows in the first place?

    She was trying to show Chris Matthews how to give his knees a break! Zing!

  157. 2009 June 20 6:49 pm

    CT – Someone had to clean up all of the dog sheet being excreted at the WH.

  158. 2009 June 20 7:03 pm

    Cracks in the lefts fawning? These are the only types of ‘green shoots’ i’ve seen over the last couple weeks.

  159. 2009 June 20 7:08 pm
    RepublicanPundit permalink

    Are we ready to do the same thing?

    That may be only way to get rid of the democrats and take the country back.

  160. 2009 June 20 7:09 pm
    drdog09 permalink


    if you have a local DNS, how about a static route entry?

  161. 2009 June 20 7:10 pm
    RepublicanPundit permalink

    Ronald Reagan: “Mr. Gorbachov, tear down this wall”

    Obama: “please be nice and not get violent” (Totally ignoring that the Government jackboots already have).

  162. 2009 June 20 7:18 pm

    doesn’t make any difference dog, like I said www already resolves correctly to (xxx.62.36.3), I know it’s not a matter of routing on my end.

  163. 2009 June 20 7:20 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    What Obama does not understand is that the rank and file American is a revolutionary at heart. So when we act like statists in the government it just does not sit well. Another domestic error.

  164. 2009 June 20 7:21 pm

    If you meant just route my traffic for this site out my att connection, yes that would work but defeats me getting to the bottom of it. 🙂 I do appreciate the suggestions though.

  165. 2009 June 20 7:27 pm

    haha the kraut just hammered everyone on Gerald.o

  166. 2009 June 20 7:38 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Saw that.

  167. 2009 June 20 7:42 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Ok, a Hmmm kind of observation.

    If MouseRoars is like ImAdinnerJacket then he might follow the same external nuclear policy. So if you are Obama which would you rather be talking to? The idiot who stole an election or the guy who might be just pissed enough to tell you to go stuff any talks.

    If this ends up toppling the government MouseRoars will end up being top dog even above he who has turban for brains.

    Obammy is being stupid not to see it.

  168. 2009 June 20 7:45 pm
    RepublicanPundit permalink

    Here is my take on the current crisis in Iran and how it will effect our politics in 2010 and 2012.

    1. Once again, democrats have proven that they cannot be in control in a time of war (and this is what this is). This is why they have only one 1/3 of elections since 1976 and only had one last 8 years. The public recognized Clinton’s this weakness early and routed the dems out of office in both houses of Congress in 1994

    2. Obama is clearly not the second coming of God, but Neville Chamberlain.Every day he basically says nothing is a nail in the democrats coffin for the next election cycles. It is a lesson that they never seem to learn.

    3. Iran has exprienced freedom before. They are educated and know how to handle, unlike most of the other middle east nations. I was there in the early seventies, and Tehran was as cosmopolitan as any European cities. The free world is missing probably, the most important revolution since the USSR was overthrown, and reagan brought down the wall. This may be actually more important. The middle east is now experiancing a VERY important accurance which may be the “domino effect” we were seeking in Vietnam. And we all know the democrats cost us victory there.

    4. By wanting to get the troops out of Iraq, we are denying ourselves bases strategically close to Iran. The dems again are found wanting.

    5. Whatever happens in Iran is a stark reminder that we cannot allow a dem majority, nor a president. Most Americans know that the world is a dangerous place, and will vote accordingly when they realize this.

    So cheer up, conservatives. Out time out of power will be short lived.

    Sorry about editorializing on your page, But I have time, now that HRP closed down.

  169. 2009 June 20 7:55 pm
    RepublicanPundit permalink

    Kraut and Ann crapped all over Jules and Heraldo.


  170. 2009 June 20 8:04 pm

    editorializing ?

    Um ain’t that what we do here when we’re not spooning that is. 😉

  171. 2009 June 20 8:04 pm

    btw the easy to remember name MouseRoars is great!

  172. 2009 June 20 8:05 pm

    Soon to be JailedMouse.

  173. 2009 June 20 8:07 pm
    chekote permalink

    Hate to break up the love fest but if Palin is Reagan – as many believe – this is her chance to prove it. Let’s see what she says about Iran.

  174. 2009 June 20 8:08 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Or RoadKillMouse….

  175. 2009 June 20 8:17 pm
    justrand permalink

    chekote: “if Palin is Reagan … Let’s see what she says about Iran”

    Excellent point…I agree.

    Whoever is gonna lead the Republicans (or Conservatives in general) “out of the wilderness” NEEDS to stand up now and make a statememt about what is happening in Iran!


  176. 2009 June 20 8:23 pm

    {ot} not really news cause you could probably just assume this by now but

    Grey lady over samples dems in healthcare poll

    “According to the actual poll data, of the 73% of respondents who said they voted in 2008 only 34% voted for McCain and 66% for Obama. The actual vote was 48% McCain. So, 29% of McCain voters ignored by the poll must not be Americans, according to the NYTs methodology, and there are about as much an overpolling of Obama voters. NYT’s Shady Lady polling.”

  177. 2009 June 20 8:23 pm
    JustMary permalink

    All I could find was a Twitter comment from her:

    W/deadly Iranian protests let us be thankful for, & supportive of, U.S. Military defending OUR democracy & freedom. God protect the innocent

    Hopefully she gets on tv where she can say more than 140 words!

  178. 2009 June 20 8:24 pm

    Palin – Iran, all I’ve seen is her tweet “W/deadly Iranian protests let us be thankful for, & supportive of, U.S. Military defending OUR democracy & freedom. God protect the innocent”

  179. 2009 June 20 8:27 pm
    JustMary permalink

  180. 2009 June 20 8:28 pm

    Actually you know I’d rather her not say anything about it, O’s already taking a good amount of criticism and inserting herself will only help he protectors deflect it at this point.

  181. 2009 June 20 8:29 pm

    Oh my god someone other than me actually watches RedEye?

  182. 2009 June 20 8:30 pm
    janzam permalink

    I don’t think that Palin has to prove anything right now. She is Gov. of Alaska, not running for any higher office at the moment, and is certainly not POTUS. If she has something to say, fine. But, why should she pipe up and get involved just to show how strong she is?

    I think we put Sarah Palin up for review too often, expecting her to meet any and all vocal expectations and challenges. In the past, when she had an opinion, she spoke her piece. But, regarding Iran, she will most likely say something when asked. In the meantime, the person who is point man is our president, Mr. Obama.

  183. 2009 June 20 8:32 pm
    chekote permalink

    Actually, I think it is wise NOT to criticize Obama. I think it is best to just stick to supporting the Iranian protesters, freedom, human rights. I would just ignore Obama because everytime you bring up his name, the Left immediately starts with “Isn’t awful that Republicans are using the Iranian protesters for their political attacks on Obama.”

  184. 2009 June 20 8:35 pm
    chekote permalink

    In the meantime, the person who is point man is our president, Mr. Obama.

    The only way to deal with Obama is to ignore him. Any attack will be cast as “being political”. Just go out there and do and say what is right. Don’t even mention Obama. When asked about Obama’s approach, just reply that the president is doing what he thinks is right and I am focus on doing what I think is right.

  185. 2009 June 20 8:36 pm
    janzam permalink


    We put way too much effort in trying not to rile up or be censored by the dims in what we say or don’t say.

    While I don’t think we need to whine about Obama not coming up to plate and batting one over in support of freedom for the Iranian people, we hardly can dismiss him either, because that is who the MSM covers 24/7; that is the man who was elected to speak for this country.

    If he misspeaks or doesn’t say enough why can’t we be constructively critical of him?

  186. 2009 June 20 8:40 pm
    chekote permalink

    If he misspeaks or doesn’t say enough why can’t we be constructively critical of him?

    Not until his approval numbers are down. In the meantime, the best approach is to ignore him – which will get under his egotistical skin – and propose alternatives. When asked aboutt the president’s policies, again reply, I am sure the president is doing what he thinks is right and I am doing what I believe is right.

  187. 2009 June 20 8:46 pm
    janzam permalink


    More often than not when you let something stand, it means that you agree with it.

    Perhaps, though, we are just talking over each other. I think people should disagree with the President without necessarily bringing him up in the conversation…unless asked directly. Then it is totally above board to say “I disagree with his stance on this issue.” Period.

  188. 2009 June 20 8:49 pm
    chekote permalink


    If you go out there an propose an alternative to Obama’s policies, you are obviously disagreeing with his approach. Why mouth the words “I disagree with OBama. Or he is wrong”. Actions speak louder than words.

  189. 2009 June 20 8:54 pm
    chekote permalink

    All I know is that everytime a Republican mouths “The president is wrong or something like that”, the MSM reports it as “Republicans attacking (unfairly) the president. If we don’t mention his name, maybe the MSM will report as Republicans presenting an alternative.

  190. 2009 June 20 8:55 pm
    chekote permalink

    G-nite everyone!

  191. 2009 June 20 8:56 pm
    janzam permalink

    Often times that is just the way a question is posed. “So, do you disagree with President Obama?” If it is directed in that way, I believe a straight forward response is appropriate.

    But, I don’t recommend just going out and trashing the President. Then you look like you have an axe to grind.

    Right now, Chek, people are just too timid to disagree with the man, and this gives him the open road to steamroller his policies, his POVs without any obstacles in his path.

    I think that is not only wrong but dangerous.

  192. 2009 June 20 9:02 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    Jan – I agree with you. Known Conservatives should make their positions known consistent with what America stands for – freedom of the individual. Should we say anything of “zero” or what he is doing – no – unless directly asked. Then it is a fair question to answer politely where we differentiate from the POTUS.

    Do I think the media will ask – no. They will be out to protect “zero” from any critical comments on his failings.

  193. 2009 June 20 9:28 pm
    janzam permalink

    I agree gnqanq.

    There is too much putting the finger in the air to see which way the “wind” is blowing before a leader or politician answers questions or takes a stance. This kind of PCness dulls the American spirit.

    Furthermore,if an elected representative/official cannot speak with clarity, out of fear of what others may think or say of him, because his opinion differs with what “The One” says, then we might as well throw in the towel.

  194. 2009 June 20 9:30 pm

    “Not until his approval numbers are down. ”

    They would not come down as much if we don’t speak up.

  195. 2009 June 20 9:50 pm
    janzam permalink


    You’re so right about approval numbers won’t come down unless we speak up. Actually that sentence is sort of poetic!

    However, if you look at some of the polling numbers, said numbers are on the slide.

    I think Obama is going to take a lot of heat for hiding behind his ice cream!

  196. 2009 June 20 10:32 pm
    BCL permalink

    Oh my god someone other than me actually watches RedEye?

    I love RedEye. That and Beck are the only FOX shows I DVR. I skim through a lot of Beck, but I relish every morsel of RedEye!

    And if you disagree with me, then you sir are worse than Hitler. …

  197. 2009 June 20 10:52 pm
    BCL permalink

    AZ is looking into passing Constitutional Carry legislation.

    06-19-09/SB 1270 Constitutional Carry along with a couple of proposed amendments were passed out of committee with a do pass recommendation in a 4 to 3 vote. Next steps for the bill will be Senate COW floor debate & the Senate 3rd Read floor vote.

    Just after I went through all the steps and waited 3 mos. for my CCW permit. I felt sort of special!

    I think training is good to have, Not only with the weapon, but understanding the law regarding use of deadly force. I still want more training before I start carrying.

    Having the permit will still be an option I guess. It will allow you to carry in states that honor the AZ permit and it allows bypassing background checks for weapon purchases.

    I was looking into a pocket .38. Need something small to conceal in the desert heat.

    I like the Micro Desert Eagle, but I could get one of the other popular semi models with laser grips for about the same price. I think the lasers are good and may avoid having to use the bullets. I like the J-Frame revolvers too, but they are still kind if bulky. I like the reliability factor of the revolver. Hard to decide. .38 ammo is expensive. My range is selling a box of 50 for $40.00. I did see lots at Georgia Arms though and cheaper.

    Right now I have one pistol (PXR 9mm) and the rest are rifles. I like rifles. I would probably like a sub compact 40 pistol like and M&P or PX4 for colder months carrying.

  198. 2009 June 21 1:14 am
    BCL permalink

    (PXR 9mm)=(PX4 9mm)

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