Is Bi-Partisan Health Care Compromise Close?

2009 July 28
by bc3b

According to AP sources, which cannot be posted here, the Senate appears to be close to agreement on a health care compromise with three Republicans (presumably one being Olympia Snowe).

It looks like the RINOs are going to do us in again. Check Yahoo News for details.

RINO.jpg RINO image by bombtownmice

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  1. 2009 July 28 5:11 am
    bc3b permalink

    Just remember that you should always be thankful for RINOs. Why? Because they caucus with the Republicans. They may vote against us 90% of the time (Olympia Snowe actually does), but that’s not important.

    Besides, it’s far better that our nation go to hell because we are betrayed by members of our own party (like Olympia Snowe) rather than the “Marxist-Leninists.” Best of all, if health care, cap and trade and the stimulus have bi-partisan support, it makes it more difficult to blame Obama and the Dims.

    God bless RINOs.

    Have you hugged your RINO today?

    Honk if you love RINOs!!!

    RINOs are wonderful.

  2. 2009 July 28 5:18 am
    bc3b permalink

    Another great thing about RINOs is the element of surprise … you never know which ones are going to betray you each time (except old reliables like Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins). But, rest assured that enough RINOs will betray you every time that whatever legislation is proposed by Barack Obama and Nanncy Pelosi passes.

    Hurray for RINOs.

    Take a RINO to lunch. No, that won’t work because the lobbyists can afford better restaurants than you.

  3. 2009 July 28 6:11 am
    drdog09 permalink

    TakeHave a RINO to lunch. No, that won’t work because the lobbyists can afford better restaurants than you.

    Fixed it for you. That will work because lobbyists have found that blood does not come off Armani.

  4. 2009 July 28 6:35 am
    brucefdb permalink

    Yeah, this doesn’t look good. I will be interested to hear Rush’s take today….I have Jury Duty so it will be easy to listen in if I can stay off a panel. It’s pretty easy to stay off a jury, all I have to do is say I trust the police and I am a conservative.

  5. 2009 July 28 6:38 am
    bc3b permalink

    Let’s take a look at the benefits RINOs have provided us since Zero took office:
    1. The stimulus passed because of the support of Collins, Specter and Snowe
    2. Cap and Trade made it through the House because eight RINOs supported it
    3. Additional funding for Planned Parenthood was approved with the support of Lamar Alexander and 1-2 additional RINOs
    4. The concealed weapons bill was defeated with the support of Lugar and one other RINO whose name escapes me.
    5. McCain, Gramham and Kyle can’t wait to vote for amnesty

    If all the items on Obama and Pelosi’s wish list gets passed with RINO support, aren’t we better just following DeMint’s suggestion and have 30 solid conservative Republican senators and build from that base?

    No, we need RINOs to caucus with; don’t want to get lonely.

  6. 2009 July 28 6:39 am
    JustMary permalink

    Ann Coulter’s new book is called “Guilty”, if you have a copy, bring it with you for some light reading. 🙂

  7. 2009 July 28 6:40 am
    phineas gage permalink

    I’m surprised by neither of these developments. Let’s be realistic.

    1. Although I’m generally sympathetic to the anti-RINO argument, we’re talking about Maine here. It’s surprising the two senators are not radical left Dems.

    2. Hellcare was being jammed through one way or the other. It wasn’t going to be completely avoided. The bill will be largely gutted in the compromise to provide a figleaf for the marxist. The danger is all that crap being put back in during reconciliation.

    Depressing, but that’s what happens when the country takes stupid pills and puts radical leftists in complete power.

  8. 2009 July 28 6:41 am
    phineas gage permalink

    Bruce, you and Brandon serving on the same jury? 🙂

  9. 2009 July 28 6:43 am
    phineas gage permalink

    Now that summer teaching is over (thank God), three books I will try to read before the fall:

    1. Levin’s Liberty and Tyranny
    2. Malkin’s Culture of Corruption
    3. Coulter’s Guilty

    Any others I’m missing?

  10. 2009 July 28 6:49 am
    JustMary permalink

    Guilty was excellent. The single mother chapter was (obviously) her most controversial, but it was very much on point. I was tempted to get huffy a couple times, but when I looked at it objectively, I could see her point, and that she wasn’t using it to poke me in the eye.

  11. 2009 July 28 6:55 am
    bc3b permalink

    “Although I’m generally sympathetic to the anti-RINO argument, we’re talking about Maine here. It’s surprising the two senators are not radical left Dems.”

    Olympia Snowe’s 2008 ACU rating was 12. Susan Collins was 20. Harry Reid was 17, Hillary Clinton 11, Bernie Sanders 8, Barack Obama 17.

    Now, ACU ratings aren’t perfect, but what’s the difference between Snowe and Collins and “radical left Dems?”

  12. 2009 July 28 7:00 am
    brucefdb permalink

    Heh, Phineas, probably not…I’m in SoCal.

  13. 2009 July 28 7:01 am
    brucefdb permalink

    bc3b…..good point re Snowe, Collins.

    Thanks for the reading suggestion, JM, wish I had it.

  14. 2009 July 28 7:03 am
    JustMary permalink

    I would bring it to you to read if I could. 😆 There is no better title for a book you are bringing to jury duty than that. I bought it the day before I was scheduled. I was going to buy it anyway, but perhaps not the day it came out….timing was awesome!

  15. 2009 July 28 7:07 am
    phineas gage permalink

    ‘Now, ACU ratings aren’t perfect, but what’s the difference between Snowe and Collins and “radical left Dems?”’

    Almost none, bc, which is my point.

    Have you ever lived in New England? I grew up there.

  16. 2009 July 28 7:09 am
    phineas gage permalink

    Should add that NE was not always a liberal lalaland, parts were quite conservative when I was a kid (alas, NH….sob…).

    But that ship has long since sailed, as the flatlanders rolled in from Massachussetts to flee the oppressive taxes that they voted for.

  17. 2009 July 28 7:35 am
    INC permalink

    Yes, we lived in a “border” town in NH. All the MA refugees do not seem to see the connection between fleeing Taxachusetts and then wanting services that will raise taxes!

  18. 2009 July 28 7:36 am
    drdog09 permalink

    PG, put Beck’s Common Sense on the list. Its a quick read that can be done in an evening.

  19. 2009 July 28 7:39 am
    justrand permalink

    PG:” The bill will be largely gutted in the compromise to provide a figleaf for the marxist. The danger is all that crap being put back in during reconciliation.

    Bingo! The Dems LOVE this trick…
    Step 1: water a Bill down to make the “people” (ewwww) think everything’s ok…or ok enough.
    Step 2: simply slip all the crap you want BACK IN during “reconciliation”.
    Step 3: villify anyone who dares speak up about the “reconciliation” process as being “Obstructionist!”

    it’s getting ready to happen. we NEED to stop it just long enough for the Congress Critters to go back home and get an earful of what Claire McCaskill got last night!! if you haven’t seen the videos go over to Wizbang and check them out!! Awesome!

  20. 2009 July 28 7:45 am
    INC permalink

    Justrand, Gateway Pundit also has videos up here.

    He says They were expecting around 100-150 people… Hundreds showed up.
    (There was one estimate that 1,000 were in attendance.)

  21. 2009 July 28 7:48 am
    INC permalink

    Michelle Malkin was on Hannity last night discussing Culture of Corruption. I didn’t see it, but here’s the video from Hot Air.

    In case you missed it, she also had a post up titled “Michelle vs. Michelle”. It’s a must read if you don’t remember the rumblings about this before the election.

    Stacy McCain blogs about Chapter 2 of Culture of Corruption, which spotlights First Crony Michelle Obama.

    Malkin discusses MO’s part in the “University of Chicago Medical Center dumping scheme”.

    She also links to this American Spectator article, Profiling Obama, that discusses it.

  22. 2009 July 28 7:52 am
    INC permalink

    This is from the AmSpec post: (Their emphasis!).

    It wasn’t just Obama’s wife who was involved in creating the program. Senior White House adviser and political strategist, David Axelrod, and his PR firm in Chicago were retained to develop a media campaign to encourage area residents not to use University of Chicago as a medical facility. Senior White House official, and Obama friend, Valerie Jarrett served on the board of directors of the hospital and approved the plan for the Urban Health Initiative, and the hiring of Axelrod. And on the recommendation of then Senator Obama, Dr. Eric Whitaker, was named director of the Initiative in late 2007, after serving as the director of the Illinois Department of Public Health, a job he got after Obama recommended him to then Gov. Rod Blagojevich via another Obama crony, Tony Rezko, a fund-raiser for Obama and now a convicted felon on federal corruption charges

  23. 2009 July 28 7:53 am
    phineas gage permalink

    Michelle is fantastic.

    It would be great if we could have conservative political leaders like her, instead of the ones that we have.

    Can you imagine a political debate between Michelle and the marxist?

    They would need mops to clean the blood off the floor.

  24. 2009 July 28 7:54 am
    INC permalink

    phineas, that I would love to see!

  25. 2009 July 28 7:55 am
    phineas gage permalink

    Axelrod is clearly a combined Svengali-Rasputin-Dr. Henry Higgins for the marxist. The marxist was his political creation.

    The same people who foamed at the mouth about Rove can’t recognize a true puppeteer right in front of them.

  26. 2009 July 28 7:57 am
    bc3b permalink

    No, I have never lived in New England. I traveled to Boston a bit as I was responsible for marketing support on the East Coast.

    My life has been pretty uneventful. Born and raised in Detroit area, lived in Dayton, OH for about 12 years, Elkhart, IN for 3 years, Chicago area for about 10 years and then back to Detroit.

    If they gave the world an enema, Elkhart is where they would stick it in.

  27. 2009 July 28 7:57 am
    INC permalink

    Yeah, I’ve my real doubts about Obama’s intelligence. He can’t think or speak on his feet very well at all.

  28. 2009 July 28 7:58 am
    phineas gage permalink

    INC, one thing that is always so depressing to see are the unbelievably crude and savage racist insults directed toward Michelle. She had to modify her comments section because of this.

    First of all, having lived in the Philippines, I can state that there are no better people in the world, no matter if they are poor. Secondly, Michelle is an American, and a particularly fine one. And third, it clearly shows just who the racists in this country really are.

    End of rant.

  29. 2009 July 28 7:58 am
    phineas gage permalink

    ‘If they gave the world an enema, Elkhart is where they would stick it in.’

    LOL–post of the day

  30. 2009 July 28 8:02 am
    INC permalink

    Rant all you want about that!

    Back to speaking: when I was a senior in high school I had an excellent speech class. We had to do prepared speeches, debates, extemporaneous and impromptu speeches.

    For extemporaneous we were given a topic and had about 5 minutes to prepare and then we had to speak. For impromptu we were given a topic and had to immediately walk to the podium and start speaking.

    Talk about training!

  31. 2009 July 28 8:08 am
    INC permalink

    Via Hot Air, from Rasmussen Reports:

    Just 23% Believe Health Care Costs Will Go Down if Reform Passes Congress

    At this time, voters are skeptical about the ability of the reform effort to help control the cost of health care. Just 23% believe passage of the reform legislation will lead to lower health care costs. Most voters (53%) say it will lead to higher costs, while 18% expect prices to remain about the same.

    Republicans and voters not affiliated with either major party overwhelmingly expect the passage of health care reform to lead to higher costs. Democrats are fairly evenly divided. Twenty-nine percent (29%) of those in the president’s party say reform will lead to higher costs while 35% predict the opposite. Another 30% of Democrats say the reform will have no impact on the cost of health care.

    By 50% to 23% margin, voters expect that passage of the congressional health care reform bill will cause the quality of care to go down.

  32. 2009 July 28 8:12 am
    drdog09 permalink

    One cartoon that shows how this week is going for the Dims —

  33. 2009 July 28 8:15 am
    bc3b permalink

    Zero’s rating in the Rasmussen Daily Presidential Tracking Poll has actually improved today. He is “up” to -8 and the overall is tied at 49/49.

  34. 2009 July 28 8:16 am
    drdog09 permalink

    Screaming Race does have its consequences —

  35. 2009 July 28 8:16 am
    INC permalink

    I hope the Blue Dogs are getting enough heat from the voters to terrify them about 2010.

  36. 2009 July 28 8:19 am
    INC permalink

    RedState has a list of other Dems to target:

    Target these Representatives on Healthcare

    We know that most of the Blue Dogs are going to oppose healthcare. But what about the non-Blue Dog Democrats who live in districts McCain won? They seem to be good targets in addition to the Blue Dogs.

    They will be modifying the list as the week goes on. Go over there for names and numbers.

  37. 2009 July 28 8:23 am
    INC permalink

    Also from Fortune via RedState:

    You’ll lose 5 key freedoms under Obama’s health care plan

    1. Freedom to choose what’s in your plan
    2. Freedom to be rewarded for healthy living, or pay your real costs
    3. Freedom to choose high-deductible coverage
    4. Freedom to keep your existing plan
    5. Freedom to choose your doctors

  38. 2009 July 28 8:24 am
    chekote permalink

    PG is right about New England. If the GOP is to regain a congressional majority, it has to hold the South and moderates in New England. That is what Gingrich did with the Contract with America. Enforcing purity is not the path to a majority. Besides, who decides what being a “Republican” is or means?

    I have posted several times that the GOP path to regaining power in Congress is through the Blue Dogs. Today, the Wall Street Journal posted and interesting article that shows that these Democrats are BlueFrauds as MFG likes to call them:

    But do the Blue Dogs really belong in the fiscal conservative pack? They talk like fiscal conservatives but vote like liberal Democrats. So far this year, the House has seen at least four major spending bills. Here’s how the Blue Dogs voted:

    The State Children’s Health Insurance Program (Schip)….Only two voted against the expansion.

    The $787 billion stimulus. The next major spending package was Mr. Obama’s stimulus bill. Not one House Republican voted for the bill. The Blue Dogs? Only 10 of 52 voted against it.

    President Obama’s 2010 federal budget. In April, Congress took a vote on the president’s $3.5 trillion budget for 2010—by far the biggest spending package in history. Again, not one House Republican voted for the bill, but only 14 Blue Dogs joined them in opposition.

    The cap-and-trade energy tax. In June, the House took an enormous step by pushing through the president’s cap-and-trade energy tax. The legislation will stifle economic growth by imposing huge new costs on every business and each American household. Eight House Republicans voted for the bill. Twenty-nine Blue Dogs voted against the legislation.

  39. 2009 July 28 8:32 am
    drdog09 permalink

  40. 2009 July 28 9:51 am
    janzam permalink

    INC’s two posts, the one dealing with Rasmussen citing the public’s lack of support for these health care bills, along with RedState’s listing the loss of freedoms were ones I earlier read. I would think both would be devastating for the passage of any health care bill.

    The fact that so many people are either skeptical, or downright loathing of the dims trying to ram a plan through, should count for something in this country. Representatives are supposed to represent voters —> the people’s will, not the cronies in Congress.

    And, any semi-developed brain could recognize how stilted and inflexible any health care plan, under Obama, would be. We do need reform, dealing with broader choices, less fraud in the medicare/medicaid systems, and decreased costs. But, all obamacare would do is take us many steps backwards in the health care we already have. Costs will go up along with decreased ease accessing health care, married to the evolvement of a more inferior health care.

    I also agree with another poster here, that the dims may be able to pass this bill by simply watering it down, and then reconsitutioning the bad stuff later on through reconciliation, or some other nifty back door political ploy.

  41. 2009 July 28 10:22 am
    janzam permalink

    ” A bipartisan group of senators is closing in on a health care compromise that omits key Democratic priorities but seeks to hold down costs, as lawmakers on both sides of the Capitol labor to deliver sweeping health legislation to President Barack Obama. After weeks of secretive talks, three Democrats and three Republicans on the Senate Finance Committee were edging closer to a compromise that excludes a requirement many congressional Democrats seek .”

    The 3 Republicans are:

    The 3 democrats are:

    They? have eliminated the fed option. They plan to set up non profit co-op or ops to compete with private ins. …assuming this things flies at all. …long way to go yet and then to conference between House and Senate for final bill….then both houses vote again.

    H/T Lucianne

  42. 2009 July 28 10:29 am
    janzam permalink

    One of the most adverse “effects” of an Obamacare type health care plan in place:

    Under ObamaCare, you’ll be “assigned a primary care doctor, and the doctor controls your access to specialists. The primary care physicians will decide which services, like MRIs and other diagnostic scans, are best for you, and will decide when you really need to see a cardiologists or orthopedist … The danger is that doctors will be financially rewarded for denying care, as were HMO physicians more than a decade ago.” If the fees paid by the government to primary care physicians are going to be based on efficiency or cost-saving ratings by government bureaucrats, then doctors can also easily be punished if they make too many specialist referrals.

    H/T Wizbang

  43. 2009 July 28 10:33 am
    JustMary permalink

    The worse the care the more they get paid?

  44. 2009 July 28 10:39 am
    chekote permalink

    At this point, given the numbers that the Democrats have in Congress, I will be happy if they just manage to kill the public option.

  45. 2009 July 28 10:44 am
    janzam permalink

    From what I can deduce, the fewer procedures doctors allow patient’s (which can be construed as “worse” care), the more they will be rewarded by the govt.

    It all falls into the old pattern of limiting resources to patients as a way to shrink costs.

  46. 2009 July 28 11:27 am
    phineas gage permalink

    ‘PG, put Beck’s Common Sense on the list. Its a quick read that can be done in an evening.’ -Dr. Dog

    OK, done. Now, second question–should I just order these online or amuse myself by actually requesting them at liberal bookstores?

    The latter option is more fun, but more time-consuming as you wander the store trying to find where they have hidden the conservative books.

  47. 2009 July 28 11:28 am
    phineas gage permalink

    Good point made today at HA: if health care is a right, as the liberals claim, how can it then be rationed, as the liberals wish to do?

    What other right is rationed out? A right by definition is either the whole thing or nothing at all.

  48. 2009 July 28 11:35 am
    janzam permalink

    Malkins’s Culture of Corruption is already #1 on Amazon?!

    Are republicans the only ones who read anymore? Or…..

  49. 2009 July 28 11:39 am
    bc3b permalink

    JustMary –

    “The worse the care the more they get paid?”

    Isn’t that standard operating procedure for the Federal Government.

    When I was in the Air Force we started ordering all sorts of supplies (including some that were not needed) near the end of the fiscal year so that next year’s budget wouldn’t get slashed.

  50. 2009 July 28 11:55 am
    justrand permalink

    PG, when Ann Coulter’s “Treason” came out and shot to #1 I went to Borders to get a copy…NONE were on display. I asked the clerk and he said he “thought they might have some in the back”. So I followed him to “the back”. They had stacks of them…they just didn’t want to display them. It was like ordering “off the menu” at a restaurant! 🙂

  51. 2009 July 28 11:58 am
    JustMary permalink

    Costco did that with Guilty when it first came out. They had 5 on the book table…..on the side….next to the cookbooks.

  52. 2009 July 28 12:08 pm
    justrand permalink

    I’ve told this story before…it’s time to tell it again:

    My boss is from England. Up until two years ago he was a cheerleader for the British medical “care” system…he’s not any more.

    2 years ago his mother had a stroke…she was in her mid-70s. The British medical system took her in very quickly, and she began to respond to the treatment and was making good progress.

    THIRTY DAYS later he received a frantic phone call from his father: a hospital staffer had come around and very coldly announced that she must leave the hospital immediately, since given her age and medical condition she did not warrant additional expense. My boss called the hospital and pleaded for his mother’s life…and was granted a 3 day “reprieve” during which time he could fly there and try to find her “private care”.

    He flew to England and found that (a) the hospital had stopped treatment and all medication when they called (they just let her stay there) and (b) there was virtually NO private care available on such short notice.

    They took her home and found a private nurse to come in twice a day and provide some care (his father was too frail). Her condition had been improving with proper medications and treatment. She went the better part of a week with virtually no care, and then received minimal care until she died…30 days later.

    Welcome to ObamaCare!

  53. 2009 July 28 12:34 pm
    JustMary permalink

    BTW guys, I am aware the site is way slow today. Kenny is on it.

  54. 2009 July 28 12:44 pm
    JustMary permalink

  55. 2009 July 28 12:56 pm
    InkyBinky permalink

    Please Mr. Obama, I don’t wanna go
    Hey, Mr. Obama, please don’t make me go
    I had a dream last night about my comin’ medical care
    Somebody said “What you’ll get is Obama Care!’”
    And there I stood with a rag in my mouth upon which to bite.

    Look at them waiting lines there, they’re hardly even movin’
    And there’s a bureaucrat at every one
    Hey, Mr. Obama, you mind if I be excused the rest of the decade?
    (Sound of bureaucrat’s clipboard whizzing by)
    Hmm, you’re a little bit late on that one, Grandma
    Whooh, I bet that smarts!

    Please Mr. Obama, I don’t wanna go
    Listen, Mr. Obama, please don’t make me go
    There’s a bureaucrat a’waitin’ out there, just fixin to decide my fate
    A complainer I’ve been called cuz I don’t wanna wind up screamin’ or dead

    I wonder what the Kenyan word for friend is
    Let’s see-friend– kemo sabe, that’s it!
    Nope, that itn’t it
    Look at them durned fascists
    They’re runnin’ around like a bunch of wild Mengeles and Kevorkians-heh, heh, heh

  56. 2009 July 28 1:06 pm
    phineas gage permalink

    Still no new thread at PP, four days and counting now.

    The top thread has now reached 27 comments.

    Can we officially start the deathwatch?

  57. 2009 July 28 1:17 pm
    JustMary permalink

    Kevorkian and Hitler were ahead of their time, and both lacked a Pelosi.

  58. 2009 July 28 1:26 pm
    justrand permalink

    HatTip Hugh Hewitt. If you haven’t watched this, please do! And then get this link out to as many as possible. It’s 5 mintutes, but worth it…

  59. 2009 July 28 1:28 pm
    CheshireCat permalink

    You humans are so scroomed (screwed + doomed). Fortunately as a cat I have veterinarians to attend to any medical needs that I may have. Just as long as those Rats don’t get their stinking paws on that too. anyway

  60. 2009 July 28 1:37 pm
    JustMary permalink

    Anyone else wonder if people will be asking their vets for care if this goes through? Vets helping people in the middle of the night? Thoughts in my head….

  61. 2009 July 28 1:38 pm
    JustMary permalink

    Scroomed, indeed.

  62. 2009 July 28 1:46 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    OK, done. Now, second question–should I just order these online or amuse myself by actually requesting them at liberal bookstores?

    The latter option is more fun, but more time-consuming as you wander the store trying to find where they have hidden the conservative books. — PG

    Ooooh. Go to the book store! But don’t consume your time, consume a clerks! Bonus points if you can find a clerk with an ‘O’ button to do the scouring for you.

  63. 2009 July 28 2:04 pm
    drdog09 permalink


    The worse the care the more they get paid?

    Well you could tell Congress is ‘on this’. A hospital plunks down a couple of mil for an MRI machine, then the cost for a room renovation. They ain’t going to let the machine stand idle. The more patients they can get through the machine the lower the TCO will be till it flat lines around fix costs + labor. If the MRI count is reduced the costs go back up. Good move Congress if that is the effect.

    When I had MRI’s done, the hospital always had 1 person in the machine and one in the batters box and they never stopped.

  64. 2009 July 28 2:04 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Inky –

    “Please Mr. Custer.” Ah, the memories that brings back. Great lyrics.

  65. 2009 July 29 12:06 pm

    There never really was a Republican-controllled Senate during the Bush II years. The RINOs, being closet Democrats, were always there to stymie attempts to actually roll back the size of government spending, etc.

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