Obama: Wrong on Honduras
2009 July 5
It took the Obama administration less than eight hours to side with Cuba’s Fidel Castro, Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez and Nicaragua’s Daniel Ortega over the ouster of Manuel Zelaya in Honduras.
As we have come to expect, Mr. Obama got it wrong again, but this time, nobody noticed. The U.S. news media, preoccupied with the sudden demise of Michael Jackson, ignored the event in Central America.
Here’s the analysis.
The government has said it will not permit Zelaya’s plane to land and the Catholic Archbishop has asked him to stay away to avoid bloodshed.
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Mike gamecock DeVine had a terrific diary at RedState about Obama and Honduras.
He asked: Is this the lowest day in the history of the United States’ presidency?
I have to say, yes. Never thought I’d see an American President side with three thugs against freedom and against the rule of law.
Mike also has some interesting compare and contrast about the principle of rule of law. He uses this definition of coup d’etat:
He then has bullet points to logically build his case that it was not a coup.
He then goes on to say a few things about Obama’s subversion of rule of law here.
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I forgot to mention that he expands on each bullet point. I just wanted to list them so you get the gist of what he said.
One of the commenters there said:
Clear, to the point and powerful. The Obamassiah is not comfortable with Americans watching a President, who has overstepped his constitutional authority, removed forcefully from power. Who might get ideas? Who might be next? Thanks for the great work!
That comment reflected some of my own thoughts when i first heard of Obama’s reaction to Honduras.
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Nice rundown of events and correct definition of terms, as usual, INC!
When I read the various news clips on Honduras it seems as if the powers that be are trying to fabricate reality, making this constitutional transition into power as something that is violent and abnormal.
Just the OAS convening for an emergency meeting and ousting Honduras as a member is absolutely mind-boggling! The more that Obama and others interfere the more that they are turning Zelaya from being the want-to-be dictator that he is, into some kind of sainted martyr!
Pinch me! What is happening in this world of ours?
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Thanks, Jan! (See my comment to you on “finding” on Why Do People Hate Sarah Palin So Intensely?!)
Well, Jan, for one thing, those with eyes to see are seeing Obama exactly as he is.
Maybe the blinders will be ripped off from a few people’s understanding!
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Good rundown on the situation. I have a friend who is leaving for his annual Honduran sabbatical July 8th. He is apolitical in many respects but he is thrilled that they have removed this guy and cannot believe our Chairman is siding with Chavez. He thinks the country is at least 80% behind the new government.
Obama just confirms what we all think of him with his siding with the banana republic leaders. No surprise there. What a pig he is.
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Oops, my sincere apologies to pigs.
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Related to this, because it’s on Iran–a situation in which Obama has also revealed himself. (BTW, how providential for those two contrasting situation to come up. It’s more revealing of Obama than if they had been similar! Obama reacted against freedom both times, and the fact they were contrasting only serves to highlight Obama’s attitude toward liberty and government by the people.).
On Iran, Pamela Geller has a photo up of Neda Soltani wearing a cross necklace.
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Bruce, well, that’s at least one person for whom the blinders are off!
And, yes, don’t pick on pigs!
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INC
Just caught your comment #232! Yes, you definitely are a good resourcer and maybe even a “human card catalogue!”
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Don’t know why or how! Except I like people, I tend to recognize what they’re good at and so I have some I know who and where to turn when I want some info or thoughts. I know I miss many who have valuable contributions.
On a more serious note, I became a Christian in college during they hurly-burly of the Vietnam protests and weird liberal dogma taught in colleges. The most frequent prayer I have prayed in my life I began praying then–it was for discernment.
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Now look what Obama’s is up to:
Obama: Hey, let’s bypass the Senate on treaty ratifications
What ever happened to this?
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I sometimes ask myself, is it because I have gotten too “mental” and involved in politics since Obama was elected? Or, is it because things really are unraveling fast under his rule?
It’s like this man, Obama, is taking the Constitution, and with a pen doing his own line-item veto on so much of it!
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Bruce: “Chairman Zero” lol. Fitting.
Well, back to fixing computers and getting caught up on some yard work.
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A Dictator is still a dictator, even if he gets himself popularly elected. Zemalaya is trying to follow the same route Chavez did, subverting the constitution, etc. It is also troubling that he allegedly has ties to the Drug lords.
To support Zemalaya is to take the view that democracy really IS two wolves and a chicken voting on what’s for dinner, and that the rule of law is subject to the whims of the mob.
Is anyone ever shocked anymore at the decisions this Administration makes? This is a disgrace, a disaster, and a travesty. We are 6 months into this debacle- where will we be in 2010? Or for a more frightening thought- where will we be in 2012?
Is this country salvageable?
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Not in it’s current form, no… the people are too far apart. How can any reasonable, constitution-loving patriot ever make nice with a Kossack?
It’s not possible. A separation, or a reckoning, those are the options…
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Well just did a search on Travelocity and you can book a room for 2 at Roatán, HN two weeks for about $1820 per person round trip. Right on the waterfront. Be great way to support the country with tourist dollars.
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Janzam -
“I sometimes ask myself, is it because I have gotten too “mental” and involved in politics since Obama was elected? Or, is it because things really are unraveling fast under his rule?”
I expected the worst, but this is behind belief. The mess Obama is creating will destroy the country faster than I dreamed possible. And, we have been helpless, with no oposition. My hope is that Sarah Palin realized that she is one of the few people the opposition will unite behind and that was part of her reasoning.
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WSJ has this from 6:11 pm
Zelaya’s Plane Redirected to El Salvador
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I have a new blog for you. A commenter at HA linked to this:
Honduras Abandoned, done by Hunter Smith.
William A. Jacobson of Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion says that
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New update from Honduras Abandoned:
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“Minutes ago it hit the wires that Zelaya’s plane was not allowed to land”
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Good.
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Pretty hilarious that Code Pink is there… lol
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Yeah, and I can just guess who Code Pink is there for!
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Yeah but was Code Pink the folks that were being shot at? Would be a sweet outcome.
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As far as I can tell at the moment there’s some confusion as to when Zelaya’ plane actually left. Jacobson’s link in his quote above is to the WSJ that says,
Honduras’ civil aviation director said Mr. Zelaya’s plane was being redirected to El Salvador.
The chronology of events is hard to follow. We’ll see what gets sorted out.
A commenter at HA who speaks Spanish has translating (I think from Chavez’ Telesur live video). The commenter said that the plane was buzzing the airport and the runway was blocked with trucks and choppers. This is from several comments.
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“Yeah but was Code Pink the folks that were being shot at?”
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Wouldn’t that then cause a code Blue?
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Why don’t they just shoot down the unauthorized ‘invading’ plane?
Too worried to set off international fire storm? Screw it I’d shoot it down after a warning to leave the airspace.
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The international fire storm will probably be worse now than if they had shot it down. Zelaya has now said he is in Managua, Nicaragua.
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One thing that is so weird is that this is being discussed on the Obama bypassing the Senate for treaty ratifications.
Hard to believe it doesn’t have its own thread. Several people started discussing it and one guy began translating.
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Here’s another comment translating Zelaya now:
Here’s a link to the Hot Air thread that has this ongoing. I’ve got to run in a minute.
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The Hondurans are not going to back down…..they really dont like Zelaya and especially his links to Chavez.
I have this uneasy feeling like I had before Janet Reno broke down the doors to Elian Gonzalez relatives house. I fear Chairman O will help re-instate this thug by indirectly supporting a Chavez insurgence and US citizens will not hear the truth about it. They will be told the bad guys are the good guys and most wont know the difference.
Of course I hope I am wrong…..sometimes if you stand up to the bully you win.
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INC – there is an easy solution to the problem. Remove the problem once and for all. If Zelaya is removed permanmently, who succeeds him?
Problem resolved. The tyrant wantabe is gone. Sure sends a signal to any and all other thugs and tyrants. Someone else may come along but for all parctical purposes Zelaya wont be able to live his dream of being dictator.
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This is getting insane, what’s sad is it would have worked out better if they had a real coup and killed the fracker in his PJ’s.
Once again Obama has no idea the residual problems he’s stirring up here by aligning himself with want-to-be dictators. I think he admires these dipchits.
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Yes, I’d read once he started being pals with Chavez they were not pleased.
I don’t like this at all.
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“I fear Chairman O will help re-instate this thug by indirectly supporting a Chavez insurgence and US citizens will not hear the truth about it.”
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I fear this is coming as well, both form the Chavez side and the Ortega side. Guess where many of the resulting refugee’s of those activities will end up?
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gnqanq, KH probably knows more. What I’ve briefly seen is that the current acting president (?) elected by their Congress is trying to have legal elections held this fall.
Zelaya’s not eligible any more–hence he’s trying to go the Chavez route.
And I agree with KH that Obama doesn’t know what he’s doing with this mess and he admires these guys doing their power plays and lying about it.
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If the first six months are any indication of what’s to come Hillary would be wise to resign soon for some kind of health\personal issue and go back and reclaim her senate seat at a later date.
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INC
No doubt that “zero” admires and wants to be a thug and has no idea what he is doing.
Though Zelaya can not run, this does not mean that he wants to come back and take charge. The best way to prevent this is to stop his breathing. As long as he is a live, he poses a risk. Much like Ortega in Nicaruaga (who should have had a terminal case of lead poisoning).
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“who succeeds him?”
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Basically there speaker of the house… it already happened and was voted on by the full congress hours after he was removed. This issue was settled properly with-in hours of it going down, all according to their constitution and in full consultation of there congress and courts. Yes the current acting president is filling out the rest of the term (5-6 months), he has expressed potential interest in speeding up the next election to have it a couple months earlier such as in the fall. (personally I don’t really see the need – I think it’s just an offering to the ‘international community’ to have them back off)
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“Though Zelaya can not run, this does not mean that he wants to come back and take charge.”
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The constitution calls for his immediate removal, processcution and being barred from any government job or office for 10 years.
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KnightHawk – that may be what the law and constitution decree BUT we know that Communists/Socialists/Facists don’t let a little thing like the law/constitution prevent them from doing what they want to do.
Thus a little accident or lead poisoning goes a long way in resolving the problem.
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If he returns he must and will be prosecuted, while they did need him gone for a day or two to complete transitions in my view they were actually doing him favor in re-locating him – giving him the option to avoid prosecution. When you warned from your congress that your violating your constitution, then warned again from your AG, and from your military leaders, then dismiss your military heads which are re-appointed by your scoh who then warns you again not to move forward with the sham unauthorized vote, and then are forcibly removed from office by your military under orders from scoh for all these violatioins… you really shouldn’t be out there in the world talking about how your a victim of a coup. Boggles the mind. Was hilarious to hear Hillary the other day pressed about if it was a coup… she was like “well legally speaking we’ve not made that determination at this point”… cut to obama and hour later “coup, coup,coup”
It’s all depends on your definition of “coup” apparently.
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“Thus a little accident or lead poisoning goes a long way in resolving the problem.”
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Yup. That’s why I think that plane should have had a little accident and just end all this bullchit.
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Yup. That’s why I think that plane should have had a little accident and just end all this bullchit.
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Stingers are cheap.
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Blame it on Al Queda… good for something after all.
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btw INC,
Hunter called it with that staged blood photo — right on cue Reuters delivers…
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/pictures/HND314.htm
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Blame it on Al Queda… good for something after all.
Get some unlucky American down there to admit doing it for the CIA/Obama.
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“Get some unlucky American down there to admit doing it for the CIA/Obama.”
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Oh god that’s so much better, acroso’s probably available.
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KH: It’s all depends on your definition of “coup” apparently.
The smartest woman in the world, not. I agree she should resign and get out of that administration.
Not surprised to see that staged photo posted by Reuters. Thanks for linking to that.
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Hunter Smith has another update. It looks like excellent coverage of the event.
Here’s a mention of Code Pink again:
It looks as if things were tense, but not violent until the crowd started throwing rocks. Then some of the military fired in the air and some at the crowd according to a guy that Hunter talked with. Hunter does not vouch for the witness and Hunter was not at that end of the crowd.
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Drudge has a report posted that the Nicaragua has mobilized.
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Are we about to see a US backed communist power play. I would like to join the Nic. free army if so…
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Stand by for the real coup, the one Obama is pushing.
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Yeah, get rid of Honduras now, Columbia next. God save me I am starting to really dislike this False Prophet prick Chairman of ours.
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I could never figure why Hillary accapted the Secretary of State position. It was a brilliant move by Zero and a foolish one by Hillary (and I’m sure Bill was in on the decision.
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bc3b – because she is the smartest woman on the planet.
lol
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She was bored in the Senate
But I agree, very stupid move to take SOS
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Signing off hopefully Honduras is still around in the morning.
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Yeah, bedtime here soon….say a prayer for Honduras.
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I did not realize how far our Leftist Emporer was willing to go in backing the demise on Democracy in world. I fear Honduras is just the first of many such actions.
Pray for Honduras.
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the A/P is going crazy(er) in their attempt to assist Zelaya. This line is in their latest piece of shit:
instead of prosecuting him or trying to defeat him at the ballot box, his political opponents sent masked soldiers to fly Zelaya out of the country at gunpoint, and Congress installed Micheletti in his place.
not very prejudicial, eh?
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JR…..the reports get worse and worse, this makes me sick.
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Gateway Pundit a post up on this: CHAOS IN HONDURAS… Obama & the Marxists Jump Start A Civil War …Update: Staged Photos!, including another photo of the man in the bloody shirt. The funny thing is that the shirt is obviously cleaner than it was in the photo that KH linked to! I guess they put in a call for make-up before the other shot!
You can also see a sign in the pro-government protestors that names CNN as the Communist News Network.
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thx for the links, Inc!
this is staged outrage…with a willing Press. I LOVED the “bandaid” photo!!
ANY other U.S. President, even Carter and Clinton, would have at least tried to support Democracy.
Obama wants his stooge in there…then when the stooge is reinstated Obama will say “we can’t meddle”
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You’re welcome.
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Yeah, the band-aid cracked me up.