RINOs Trashing Real Conservatives

2009 July 27
by bc3b

Senator Jon Kyle (RINO-AZ) trashes true conservatives.

Asked about recent comments Republican Sens. Jim DeMint (S.C.) and James Inhofe (OK) have made, suggesting that GOP would benefit politically if President Obama’s health care agenda was stalled, Republican Whip Jon Kyl said, “I don’t agree with that kind of language.” 

“Because the language has a political implication,” Kyl added, “I think that’s unfortunate. Both sides talk about the politics of this. I don’t think we should be focused on that.” A week ago, Demint evoked Napoleonic metaphor, saying, “If we’re able to stop Obama on this it will be his Waterloo. It will break him.” 

Why would the Senate whip make such an idiotic statement? Simple, because he’s an idiot.

Why does the media ask RINOs questions like this? Members of the media know RINOs are weak, have little conviction and will willingly throw fellow Republicans under the bus to win points with the media.

When do you see Democrats trashing other Democrats. RINOs like Kyle want the media to love them, even Politico.

RINO.jpg RINO image by bombtownmice

Kyle, McCain, Graaham, Martinez, Hutchison, Cornyn, Crist and company all want the liberal media to love them.

Hat tip: politico

109 Responses leave one →
  1. 2009 July 27 11:59 am
    MFG permalink

    You can think and believe such things, but saying them out loud is not helpful

    It allows average people to say, “Oh this opposition to the health care bill is just politics!”

    Instead of, “My God, this health care bill is terrible and it will damage my family!”

    Plus the RINO bashing is pointless

    Without RINO’s what do we have in the Senate, maybe thirty votes…???

    Plain and simple we need RINO’s, without them the country would become the Soviet Union II in very short order…

  2. 2009 July 27 12:01 pm
    MFG permalink

    And how can you support Blue Fraud Democrats but not RINO’s …???

    Makes no sense to me at all

  3. 2009 July 27 12:09 pm
    BCL permalink

    I agree with BC.

    Blue Dog Democrats are attacking fellow dems which is admirable since they are the other side and the policies are wrong.

    Kyle is attacking fellow Republicans when he should be attacking the other side, not his own.

  4. 2009 July 27 12:15 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Well MFG –

    “And how can you support Blue Fraud Democrats but not RINO’s …???

    Makes no sense to me at all”

    Considering your gal pal Mary Landreau votes with conservatives more than the Dingbat Twins from Maine and Heath Shuler votes with conservatives more than Mike Castle, it makes quite a bit of sense to me.

    What doesn’t make sense to me is your “slobbering love affair” (apologies to Bernie Goldberg) with with “Republicans” who vote with the party less than 50% of the time.

    Name ONE Congressional Democrat who votes with the party less than 50% of the time. You can’t because there aren’t any.

    I notice you don’t deny the fact that RINOs often make the statements they do because they want the liberal media to love them, which is the point of this thread.

  5. 2009 July 27 12:25 pm
    phineas gage permalink

    ‘Plain and simple we need RINO’s, without them the country would become the Soviet Union II in very short order…’

    I disagree. The country becoming the new Soviet Union rests entirely with Dems, the GOP is powerless in both houses. And a large part of the reason why the GOP became powerless is because of the political behavior of RINOs.

    I would have been, and was, more in favor of this argument before the 2008 election. At this point, we need a conservative renaissance, not half-measures of retaining RINOs in office.

  6. 2009 July 27 12:31 pm
    bc3b permalink

    “Plain and simple we need RINO’s, without them the country would become the Soviet Union II in very short order…”

    Like the RINOs in the Senate stopped the Stimulus and the RINOs in the House shot down Cap and Tax.

    What’s the temperature this afternoon in Louisiana? I fear the heat is taking its toll.

  7. 2009 July 27 12:37 pm
    janzam permalink


    Purists are but a small segment of the voting public. To save the country you are going to have to share some of the spoils by tolerating a certain percentage of differing POVs —> RINOs.

  8. 2009 July 27 12:40 pm
    janzam permalink

    OT — But I heard this quote and thought it to be quite thought-provoking.

    The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it.

  9. 2009 July 27 12:45 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Janzam –

    The GOP needs greater discipline and common sense. Can you imagine a Democratic leader making a statement like Kyle made? If so, Emanuel, A$$holerod or Pelosi would have cut their balls or boobs off.

  10. 2009 July 27 12:52 pm
    brucefdb permalink

    At the risk of becoming a site whipping boy I don’t think John Kyl is a RINO. I disagree with him here and there but he has a lifetime rating of 96.6 from the American Conservative Union. That ranks him pretty high, above Jeff Sessions for example.

    I watch this show and while I cringed when he said that it was clear in total context that he wasn’t trying to diss DeMint or anyone else. In fact he presented a cogent list of things that would make the Healthcare Bill a real reform bill, with special emphasis on tort reform, HSA’s and a number of other things.

    Sorry, I can’t jump on the trash Kyl band wagon.

    Look, we all want Fiorina to beat Boxer, right? She is a lot more RINO than Kyl.

  11. 2009 July 27 12:54 pm
    mulletover permalink

    Pelosi has made the testicle lockbox an art form.

  12. 2009 July 27 12:58 pm
    phineas gage permalink

    ‘Purists are but a small segment of the voting public. To save the country you are going to have to share some of the spoils by tolerating a certain percentage of differing POVs’

    Why does this philosophy never apply on the Democrat side, Jan?
    They are about as ideologically rigid and pure as a group of Nazi skinheads, and just about as tolerant.

  13. 2009 July 27 12:58 pm
    phineas gage permalink

    You either play to win, or you lose.

  14. 2009 July 27 1:01 pm
    mulletover permalink

    For the Republican Party to be pure, the mood of the country must shift. As the democrats overreach, it will. It always does. That being said, it does not turn on a dime. We will improve in 2010 and 2012.

    Rinos are with us always, just a matter of their numbers. I will take a rino in a blue state if they are strong on defense and somewhat fiscally sound. The dem is always worse.

    Cursing helps.

  15. 2009 July 27 1:09 pm
    phineas gage permalink

    We used to be told that the best we could hope for in a GOP president was a Nixon/Ford/Rockefeller type.

    Then somebody called Reagan came along.

    Conservatism will sell anywhere, if properly marketed. Particularly in the aftermath of the marxist.

    It is not impossible to turn formerly red states like CA back to blue, it just has to be tried.

    Unless of course amnesty passes. Then it really will be impossible.

  16. 2009 July 27 1:11 pm
    MFG permalink


    The enemy is over there; stop firing at your friends

    RINOs vote to organize the Senate and House by voting for Republican leaders; Heath Schuler votes for Nancy Pelosi


    We simply can’t afford such absurd luxuries as going after Jon Kyle

  17. 2009 July 27 1:13 pm
    MFG permalink

    We ran off Lincoln Chafee! Hurray! Hurray!!

    We sure did!

    And he was replaced with a Marxist-Leninist lunatic

    How did this benefit us…??????????????????????????

  18. 2009 July 27 1:17 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Name one Democrat that votes with his/her party less than 50% of the time. I can name plenty of Republicans.

    As I mentioned before, I was vacationing in Brandon’s congressional district. A RINO group (Republicans for Environmental Protection) repeatedly ran an ad aimed at LoBiondo prior to the Cap and Trade vote. This guy folded like a house of cards.

    People from Detroit are so tough that they vacation in Jersey.

  19. 2009 July 27 1:22 pm
    MFG permalink

    All the abuse Cao takes in LA

    He’s a steady Republican vote and if he weren’t there a psychotic Communist would be in his place…

  20. 2009 July 27 1:24 pm
    bc3b permalink

    MFG –

    “We ran off Lincoln Chafee! Hurray! Hurray!!

    “We sure did!”

    While I cannot prove it, my guess is that eventually Chafee would have pulled an “Arlan Specter.”

    By the way, MFG, the ACU rating for Whitehouse the “Marxist-Leninist lunatic” who replaced Chafee in 2008 was 8%. Olympia Snowe was at 10% – big frickin’ difference.

  21. 2009 July 27 1:26 pm
    MFG permalink

    Is Mary Landrieu better than a RINO would be in that seat?

    She votes for Harry Reid to organize the Senate, remember

    Collins, Snowe would vote for Republican judges when we have another R President and would vote to organize the Senate by voting for the R leader

    And if you run them off they’ll be replaced by Marxist-Leninists

    I still don’t get it

    Are we better off with two RINOs in ME or two Communists


  22. 2009 July 27 1:27 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Hey MFG –

    I sent Cao an e-mail thanking him for his stimulus vote. I get his online newsletter.

  23. 2009 July 27 1:28 pm
    janzam permalink

    Why does this philosophy never apply on the Democrat side, Jan?

    Answer —> Because Republicans are more balanced, less mean, trying to see both sides of a discussion. Dims are more like lock-stepped fascists.

    At the risk of becoming a site whipping boy I don’t think John Kyl is a RINO

    Bruce, I guess they’ll be two whipping boy/girls here, because I agree. 🙂

  24. 2009 July 27 1:29 pm
    bc3b permalink

    “Is Mary Landrieu better than a RINO would be in that seat?”

    If the RINO was Olympia Snowe or Susan Collins, yes!

  25. 2009 July 27 1:31 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Brandon –

    Bad news. The only player in MLB history to throw a no hitter in both leagues – as a Tiger and a Phillie. He closed out his AL no hitter by striking out Ted Williams.

  26. 2009 July 27 1:31 pm
    MFG permalink

    MN, ME, NH, OR, WA, CA, NY, NJ are going to produce RINOs when Republicans can win in states like that

    The endless gnashing of teeth over this is bizarre

    I still remember people bitching about “Coleman the RINO”

    Well, you don’t have to worry about that anymore now, do you?

  27. 2009 July 27 1:32 pm
    janzam permalink

    Purity=Suicide —> MFG

    Succinctly put.

    Just like the dims all want it their way now — stimulus, cap & trade, Obamacare — they’re overreaching and it is going to hurt them.

    The same applies to the conservatives if they also overreach regarding the threshold placed on those who we deem are good enough for us. Wish it wasn’t so…

  28. 2009 July 27 1:32 pm
    Brandon permalink

    But he would have probably lost. With him out, it’s most likely an R hold now.

  29. 2009 July 27 1:33 pm
    bc3b permalink

    “Dims are more like lock-stepped fascists.”

    As long as lock-stepped fascists are on your side …. Hell, I would have called the Nazis too if that damn Van Trapp family lived next door to me and made that kind of racket too.

  30. 2009 July 27 1:37 pm
    MFG permalink

    Glad Bunning is gone: losing KY to a Communist would have been horrible; hopefully we can hold that seat now…

  31. 2009 July 27 1:40 pm
    bc3b permalink

    We need to come up with strong, appealing candidates to take RINOs out in the primaries.

    Because the RNC and its Congressional funding committees are suspect in their funding (announcing they are supporting Specter and Crist, withdrawing support from Bachmann in 2008, etc.), it’s best to give to deserving candidates rather than the GOP.

    Normally I would vote for a RINO over a Dim (although I would vote for Landreau over either of the Dingbat Twins), but I certainly want my donations to go to deserving (conservative) candidates. If you want to throw money at RINOs, it’s your money.

  32. 2009 July 27 1:45 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Brandon –

    “But he would have probably lost. With him out, it’s most likely an R hold now.”

    Brandon, you need to remember that politics is always in a state of flux. Republicans who won easily in 2002 and 2004 lost their seats in 2006 and 2008.

    By 2010 they could run MFG as the Republican candidate for the Senate in Kentucky and he’d win.

  33. 2009 July 27 1:49 pm
    janzam permalink

    I think you right, bc, about targeting your money to where you want it to go.

    If you want it to go to Rubio over Crist, for instance, then by all means that’s a good thing.

    The RNC will find ways to take care of the more conventional GOP candidates.

  34. 2009 July 27 1:52 pm
    bc3b permalink

    MN, ME, NH, OR, WA, CA, NY, NJ are going to produce RINOs when Republicans can win in states like that

    Michele Bachmann and Duncan Hunter, Jr. are RINOs?

  35. 2009 July 27 1:55 pm
    Brandon permalink

    I think he might have been referring to Senate seats as they are statewide elections.

  36. 2009 July 27 2:05 pm
    janzam permalink

    One by one a disillusioned voter sees the light.

    Cambridge cops speak out on Gates and Obama

    Cambridge PD Sgt. Crowley’s black colleagues support him, say there was no racism, that Obama rushed to judgment. One black woman cop says she supported and voted for Obama but will not do so again.

    H/T American Thinker

  37. 2009 July 27 2:28 pm

    I saw this yesterday… blah.. my reaction was close to that of Bruce.

  38. 2009 July 27 2:31 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    You people need to heed yahoo’s advice on this topic:

    ACCEPT RINOs from blue states if they are the best you can get from those areas, and they ususally are. Coleman was ok, (but he voted against domestic drilling, boo) and the Maine sisters are AGONIZING but until we can get something better from Maine, we have to let that dog lie.

    Chafee was utterly useless, not sad he’s gone, he would have switched anyway, look at Specter.

    You must establish a tradition of loyalty and consequences for disloyalty.

    MFG you supported Specter as the best we could do in PA. I was inclined to agree, very well then, don’t express shock or dismay when he switches.

    Then, if you get a chance to steal a seat like Santorum’s with a guy like Toomey, don’t be a coward, GO FOR IT.

    ON the OTHER HAND:

    We need to

    1. go on offense and blow out these Dems in Red states, ARK, ND, SD, NE, MO, IN, places like that.

    2. gently primary the McCains, Grahams, Martinez’, Crists, etc, so that people like KYL and CORNYN get the message clear. Dance with who brung ya or go home. This law goes for red states only.

  39. 2009 July 27 2:41 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    The truth is that on the issue of Kyl’s remarks re Demint, they are HORRIBLE. Kyl should be utterly ashamed.

    If this man had any stones he would have unequivocally SUPPORTED DeMint’s remarks, and backed them up with the HORRIBLE TRUTH about the DEMOCRAT health care bill.

    This bill is full of atrocities and if Kyl was a man he would have “Damn right” -ed DeMint’s remarks instead of weaseling out.

    Kyl is a COWARD, and should be primaried out, like McCain. Do none of you remember his work on the amnesty bill? How he and McCain and Graham checked with Ted Kennedy before voting?

    WELL??????? MFG what do you have to say to this????


  40. 2009 July 27 2:48 pm
    janzam permalink

    Dodd, Conrad deals were sweetenedYahoo News

  41. 2009 July 27 2:53 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    The truth is the R leadership in the Senate, from Dole to Lott to Frist to McConnell, can be charitably described as worthless.

  42. 2009 July 27 3:06 pm
    BCL permalink

    BC’s remarks hold true.

    He was merely stating the obvious. Nothing intolerant about that or purist. He is pointing out the damage done and why Kyl probably did it. Shouldn’t Kyl be criticized?

    He’s still talking about forming a new consensus on amnesty to. Heard him on the radio today. He brought it up. He wants guest worker provision. Just what we need.

  43. 2009 July 27 3:06 pm
    janzam permalink

    Maybe this is why Obama made the rash remark about the “stupidity” of the Cambridge Police Dept., as he had a little personal history with them, himself. A case of projection, perhaps?

    President Obama, who targeted the Cambridge, Mass., police department with his comment that one of its officers acted “stupidly” in the arrest of a black man, has a history with the department dating from his college years to as recently as the launch of his presidential campaign.

    According to the Somerville Times in 2007, as a Harvard Law School student, Obama got 17 parking tickets during 1989-1991 from the Cambridge Police Department that he left unpaid until just weeks before he announced his bid for the presidency.

    “In other words, as a practicing lawyer in Chicago, he allowed these tickets and penalties to remain unpaid; as an Illinois state senator he allowed these tickets and fines to remain unpaid; and as a United States senator he allowed these almost-two-decade-old signs of his disdain for the law to remain unpaid,” commented John LeBoutillier on Newsmax.com.

    The Washington Post said two years ago that the tickets included parking without a proper permit and parking in a bus stop.

    The Associated Press reported in 2007 that Obama’s “healthystack” of parking tickets was finally paid, including late fees, “two weeks before he officially launched his presidential campaign.”

    H/T World Net Daily

  44. 2009 July 27 3:07 pm
    BCL permalink


  45. 2009 July 27 3:10 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    I lean more in BC’s direction.

    We don’t need to kick out everyone who does not vote with us 90% of the time.

    But we need to kick some of them out.

    MFG goes too far, IMO, in supporting anyone with an R after his name.

  46. 2009 July 27 3:10 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Kyl is awful. He is up in 2012.

  47. 2009 July 27 3:11 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    He was a good man once. I don’t know what happened to him, too many nights with Miss Lucy and Crazy John.

  48. 2009 July 27 3:13 pm
    Brandon permalink

    How is he awful, he has over a 95 lifetime score from the ACU?

    Wait, let me guess, anyone less than 100 is a RINO?

  49. 2009 July 27 3:14 pm
    MFG permalink

    I pretty much agree, Yahoo

    Graham etc should be primaried; as far as Chafee he was 40 or 50 ACU, I didn’t like him much, but he voted R to organize the Senate and he voted for Bush’s judges; I didn’t personally like him but I knew what would replace him when he got beat

    Toomey, sure, let’s try to win that seat with him; if the economy is as bad as I think it’s going to be he may have a shot in PA

    I’m more aggravated with having a Communist in AK, TWO of them in AR, MT etc etc than I am with RINOs

    Let’s go kick the crap out of the other team, not our team…

  50. 2009 July 27 3:14 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    I guess you were still learning to drive during the whole amnesty thing.

  51. 2009 July 27 3:16 pm
    drdog09 permalink


    You know what really makes this posting sad? Has nothing to do with who is a RINO or not. It really has to do with why it is so critical now. In another place and time it would not have mattered and most American’s would just shake their heads. Now with so much government intrusion in our lives it matters a great deal.

    That difference is the real issue.

  52. 2009 July 27 3:19 pm
    MFG permalink

    Yahoo, you’ve finally learned punctuation from me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  53. 2009 July 27 3:19 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Dog is right. We have no margin for error now. The Dems have been radicalized and the Rs won’t fight.

    I think the Senate is going to give Obama what he wants, and we are going to have a 10 year fight for the soul of this country.

    And these Kyl type sissies are not helping.

  54. 2009 July 27 3:20 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Kyl could have been a man.

    He could have stuck up for Demint and talked about how AWFUL the bill is.

    Instead he behaved like a COWARD.

    The people of Arizona deserve better.

  55. 2009 July 27 3:22 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Let’s go kick the crap out of the other team, not our team…

    Let them prove they are bloody well on our team. The problem is whenever we go to “kick the crap out of the other team”, they run away or switch sides.

  56. 2009 July 27 3:31 pm
    brucefdb permalink

    Another canard is that R’s don’t stick together as well as D’s. The reason that is true is because D’s have the privilige of having the media asking the questions. So they ask trap questions to R’s and lob softballs to D’s. Believe me, Kyl would never have been asked the question if he were a D and one of his fellow D’s had said something equivalent about Bush.

    It’s silly to say a guy is a RINO that is as conservative as Kyl. Is he on my heroes list? Nope, not in my top 10 either. That list of possible candidates or elected officials at the Senate level or higher is only 4 names long: Palin, Liz Cheney, Jim DeMint and Inhofe (for tirelessly and single handedly opposing the global warming scam).

    What I think is that the party has to see just how formidable a force someone like Sarah is in the party….then these guys will start getting their act together.

  57. 2009 July 27 3:40 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Bruce, I didn’t say I thought Kyl was a RINO, but he leads the effort to add 60 more Dem House seats and 20 more Senate seats with amnesty.

    He’s like Chris Cannon, that former rep from UT-3. Very conservative. Totally sold out to La Raza and MALDEF.

    What would you call that? I would call it him a guy that needs to be primaried out.

    ESPECIALLY when you consider that he ran his 2006 campaign like Martinez ran his 2004 one, as a strong border anti-amnesty candidate.

    That’s who the R party thought it was getting when they voted, but that’s not who they got.

    You tell me what we should do with guys who violate their campaign promises on HUGE, LIFE ALTERING ISSUES 6 months after promising not to.

    Your thoughts?

  58. 2009 July 27 3:53 pm
    Brandon permalink

    Bye-bye public option! HA!

    WASHINGTON – After weeks of secretive talks, a bipartisan group in the Senate edged closer Monday to a health care compromise that omits a requirement for businesses to offer coverage to their workers and lacks a government insurance option that President Barack Obama favors, according to numerous officials.

    Like bills drafted by Democrats, the proposal under discussion by six members on the Senate Finance Committee would bar insurance companies from denying coverage to any applicant. Nor could insurers charge higher premiums on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions.


  59. 2009 July 27 4:04 pm

    “Like bills drafted by Democrats, the proposal under discussion by six members on the Senate Finance Committee would bar insurance companies from denying coverage to any applicant. Nor could insurers charge higher premiums on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions.”

    That’s just fantastic so now we can all pay the resulting price. 🙄

  60. 2009 July 27 4:05 pm
    janzam permalink


    I heard today that the dims were working on some kind of compromise to resusitate the health care plan, and possibly pass it through Pelosi’s House. Your link gave more details.

    It all stinks!

  61. 2009 July 27 4:07 pm
    janzam permalink

    That’s just fantastic so now we can all pay the resulting price

    That’s exactly what would happen, KH. Dims are like pit bulls!

  62. 2009 July 27 4:09 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Brandon is overjoyed that the the healthcare industry will have its prices artificially driven up by government again.

    Brandon, what will result from private care costs going up again? Tell us, please.

  63. 2009 July 27 4:10 pm
    brucefdb permalink

    RWY…..yes, I agree, if amnesty comes up under Obama and Kyl is there supporting it I will be right with you. Because amnesty under Obama will include immediate jobs for illegals with ACORN. 😉

    But Kyl was on this show talking about Obamacare and he got hit with this question he wasnt prepared for. On the issue of Healthcare he did a great job of exposing what a disaster the Obama/Dem proposals are and laid out numerous market based reforms that were easy to understand that would work, including going after the lawyers. It’s Obamacare that is the current clear and present danger now, Kyl was a great spokesperson against it on this show.

  64. 2009 July 27 4:14 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    The problem with RINOs is about EXPECTATIONS. While we don’t EXPECT every Republican to agree on every vote that comes up, we, as a party, should be able to EXPECT that their votes on KEY legislation is what is EXPECTED of them.

    RWY listed some of the legislation slated to come up this year, including LOST, C&T, Immigration, etc. How these Republian vote on these and others bills is the reason why the Republican party voted them into office in the first place.

    I could care less about insignificant votes, but anything that takes even more of our freedoms away or taxes us into oblivion, or rewards lawbreakers should be a nobrainer when it comes time to vote. If any of these RINOs don’t want to vote with regards to how the Republican party EXPECTs them to vote, then they should be thrown out.

  65. 2009 July 27 4:15 pm
    brucefdb permalink

    By the way, Chuck Grassely is our ranking member on this committee which also includes Olympia Snowe….I don’t consider either of them very trustworthy. No telling what they might agree to, but it wouldnt take much for them to jump on board.

  66. 2009 July 27 4:17 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Consider what Republicans say publicly:

    – Kyle trashing DeMint and Inhofe
    – Lugar praising Obama and trashing conservatives
    – McCain saying during the campaign that Obama would make an excellent president

    It goes on and on. Dims hardly ever do that.

    There were 5 GOP senators and 16 GOP representatives with 2008 ACU scores of 50% or less (and a number in the 50s). There were NO Dims with ACU scores above 50%.

    To lament Lincoln Chafee’s loss is beyond belief.

  67. 2009 July 27 4:18 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Like bills drafted by Democrats, the

    Stop right there. That’s not any kind of victory…

    Obama’s plan drove private insurers out of business within a year, by making it impossible for them to compete with what was essentially Medicaid for all…

    Now this does the same thing, but more slowly. MANDATES rising costs for all insurers….

    When people get their new premiums, they will complain. Then the Dems will say “See? You should have let us give you government medicine.”

    This is exactly what they did with Fannie Mae.

    You can loot a business until it’s gone, or you can tax it until it’s gone, or regulate it until it’s gone.

    The Dems, having failed in their bid to go 3/3, are dropping the first two and will settle for 1/3.

    Either way, private insurers are doomed.

    This is “victory”? What a joke.

  68. 2009 July 27 4:19 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    To lament Lincoln Chafee’s loss is beyond belief.

    I agree, he was an ammo dump for the left.

  69. 2009 July 27 4:21 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    The money and effort the RNC, GOP, RNCC, XXX, was pouring into Chafee’s seat to save him could’ve been better pent elsewhere.

  70. 2009 July 27 4:22 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    The only way we have a shot at the house in 2010 is if Obama rips everyone out of their health care and lines them up in government queues.

    I say let it pass. Let the docs leave or quit, and set up pay practices abroad.

    Get your passports ready, fellow patriots.

    The American people continue to believe in a free lunch. Let’s see how many times they need to get hit over the head before they wise up.

    Bam! 1,
    Bam! 2, nope, not awake yet…
    Bam! 3….

  71. 2009 July 27 4:24 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Remember, the thing the Dems want most is bipartisanship. They want to screw the country, but they want to be able to tell the voters Republicans were in the room while the rape was going on…. even holding their beers, if they can get that much.

    So, like always, the R party folds and gives them the cover they will need at election time.

    Permanent minority status. You gotta love our party. Worthless as teats on a bull.

  72. 2009 July 27 4:28 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    Back in the day when I used to be Conservative in my personal life, but a Republican politically (I figured all Republicans wanted what was best for the country, otherwise they’d be Democrats) I would jump for joy whenever any Republican got elected. Now, I could care less if Republicans get elected or not.

    They stopped caring about the country. I stopped caring about them.

  73. 2009 July 27 4:30 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Not a bad way of putting it.

    When did this happen? Bush 41? Nixon? I think it goes all the way back to Nixon, this idea that the party would not represent Americans, but rather anyone else in their place. And not serve them, but govern with an iron fist.

  74. 2009 July 27 4:30 pm
    brucefdb permalink

    To lament Lincoln Chafee’s loss is beyond belief.

    Yes, and what about all the time and effort wasted to save that jerk Spector, not to mention Jim Jeffords?

    Kyle did not trash anyone (in context), he wanted to talk about the issue not get side tracked into a media trap. If ACU ratings are going to be used remember Kyl’s is 96+ which puts him in the top 10 of our senators I think….and number one on the Senate Finance Committee if my quick scan was correct.

  75. 2009 July 27 4:31 pm
    Brandon permalink

    My point was to celebrate the removal of the public option and employer mandates. That was all.

  76. 2009 July 27 4:31 pm
    Brandon permalink

    And the KOS people are going nuts, so that’s how you know it’s a good thing.

  77. 2009 July 27 4:34 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    And the KOS people are going nuts, so that’s how you know it’s a good thing.

    Who cares about the Kosputins? Screw them. Anything short of North Korea is a ripoff for those animals.

    The point is the Rs are about to sign off on giving the Dems what they want anyway, just a bit more slowly…..

  78. 2009 July 27 4:36 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    Probably Bush 41. Even though there were RINOs back then they were marginalized. Now they’re revered. I’ve always despised certain Republicans who weren’t loyal to the party and to the people who voted them in.

    McCain is/was the worst of the bunch and I felt sick to my stomach voting for him.

  79. 2009 July 27 4:36 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Kyle did not trash anyone (in context), he wanted to talk about the issue not get side tracked into a media trap.

    Well, he should have concentrated his fire on the main objective, which is to defeat the horrible bill Obama is pushing. Not give the left fire to run back to DeMint and say “See!! Even Kyl says you should STFU!! So STFU!!!” ..

    It’s about having balls, that’s all.

  80. 2009 July 27 4:37 pm
    brucefdb permalink

    Great point, RWY, Nixon, he gave them the EPA and left Viet Nam while we were winning! Even did price controls if my memory doesnt fail. And they still hated his guts and brought him down.

    That is why at the top of our ticket we have to insist on an unapologetic conservative. I only know of a couple and Huckabee and Romney arent them.

  81. 2009 July 27 4:38 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    We are not going to be saved by this government.

    It’s all going to hell, and we are going to have to save the country ourselves, or lose it.

  82. 2009 July 27 4:39 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Bush reminded me of Nixon. Nominee of the wrong party, and POTUS of the wrong country…..

  83. 2009 July 27 4:41 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    I still say there will be a big secession movement, and whether there is a war over it is up to the Dems.

    So, there probably will be one….

  84. 2009 July 27 4:41 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    Nominee of the wrong party, and POTUS of the wrong country…..rwy

    Especially after what Reagan was able to accomplish.

  85. 2009 July 27 4:44 pm
    brucefdb permalink

    Well, he should have concentrated his fire on the main objective, which is to defeat the horrible bill Obama is pushing.

    That is what he did.

    Until the R’s as a group decide to recognize that the media is our enemy our guys, even the best, will get trapped into these kinds of moments. It is why I think Sarah can serve such a great purpose.

    But I am on your side, compadre. I want to either kill those bills or beat the hell out of anyone that votes for them.

  86. 2009 July 27 5:09 pm
    brucefdb permalink

    Also, I think the critical point in time had nothing to do with who our president was….it had to do with the guy in Tony’s gravatar. When they successfully demonized smokin’ Joe they literally opened the door for the leftist takeover of all our entertainment, education and media institutions. It’s gonna be real hard to ever walk that back without a War.

  87. 2009 July 27 5:16 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Joe McCarthy merely called them out. The left was huge in this country already…

    FDRs death and the subsequent cold war left a lot of progressives very unhappy.

  88. 2009 July 27 5:34 pm
    INC permalink

    Absolutely terrific RedState diary that fits here and on the Sarah Palin thread. It’s written by a former liberal who is now a conservative.

    Ronald Reagan was a Liberal convert. And he was devastating.

    Read what she says about Reagan and Palin. Here are some words about liberal converts!

    We all come to conservatism via different paths. But I will tell you that those of us who come from liberalism are often the ones most to be feared by the left. We know their arguments. We understand their weaknesses. I wasn’t born into these ideas… I reasoned my way to them. And I live these principles at great personal cost….

    We give money. We volunteer to get out the vote. We blog and write and politely dismantle those liberal arguments at dinner despite the potential personal and social costs. We call the Blue Dogs. Then we call them again. We are dangerous. Like Reagan was.

    You don’t need to expand the tent ideologically to squeeze us in. No need to stretch and strain to coax us under. We’re not the “moderates” who, once sheltered, proceed to torch the place. No, we buy more tents. And pitch them. Far and wide.

  89. 2009 July 27 5:44 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Ugh, the comments in that diary are awful.

    Moe Lane
    Neil Stevens
    Steve in LA

    Can really stink up a blog.

  90. 2009 July 27 5:45 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    And I think the diarist is all right.

    The idea that she was such a liberal before makes me sick. Maybe she’s a Chekote type, all “rights for me, and everyone else can go to hell.”

    But I speculate.

  91. 2009 July 27 5:46 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    I absolutely cannot read a blog with Lane, Stevens, etc on it.

    The guys I like at Redstate are mbecker, erickson, and that’s about it….

  92. 2009 July 27 5:47 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Moe Lane is not merely an amnesty supporter but a booster, Stevens is another Allah.


  93. 2009 July 27 5:48 pm
    brucefdb permalink

    The left was huge in this country already…

    Not true…..major universitys did not and could not have openly commie types that openly taught commie indoctrination. Hollyweird was not yet disgusting or dominated by anti-American types and movies, nor was tv. There actually were conservative newsmen and papers here and there, even here in LA. There was no political indoctrination in grades 1-12, and no enviro-fascism. Blacks were making great social progress and still had family values. You are too young my friend….this undermining has been going on since the early days of the country. It went on steroids after Joe got blown out.

  94. 2009 July 27 5:55 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    The only way we have a shot at the house in 2010 is if Obama rips everyone out of their health care and lines them up in government queues.

    I say let it pass. Let the docs leave or quit, and set up pay practices abroad.

    Get your passports ready, fellow patriots. — RWY

    Won’t help for 2010 dude. The bill would not become effective till 2013 or something like that. Were the Reps able to get back into some control in 2010 they could rescind if they had the guts.

  95. 2009 July 27 6:00 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Yeah, good point. But if they pass it, it’s more likely people will stay pissed.

  96. 2009 July 27 6:07 pm
    brucefdb permalink

    Oh, and PS to my previous, the country had a real fear of communism until Joe was demonized….I know, I got under my desk in the drills.

    I don’t agree we should let this pass, because next comes amnesty, cap and trade and card check, if they get those, game over. Once you’re on the dole, it’s over. Or have you not noticed the difference in the black race pre and post Great Society. It is where they want us all.

  97. 2009 July 27 6:09 pm
    INC permalink

    I rarely read the comments at RedState unless it’s a topic I’m curious about the give and take. It’s because the reply to a specific comment system is so annoying because it’s hard to wade through and find new comments in a thread. I didn’t read any on that post.

    The thing is the woman who wrote that was a real die-hard liberal product of the NE. It’s a remarkable turnaround. She didn’t go into detail and outline her specific conservative ideas, but if she liked Reagan and Palin I figured she was doing fine.

  98. 2009 July 27 6:11 pm
    brucefdb permalink

    Fine in my book INC!

  99. 2009 July 27 6:11 pm
    INC permalink


  100. 2009 July 27 6:13 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    It will be a beautiful thing when…..

    ObamaCare passes and some people decide they would rather go to other countries for their medical treatment, instead of lining the pockets of Obama and his cronies.

    There should be a list as to which country is best at certain procedures. I realize the US is the best choice, but there has to be close seconds in many categories.

    Where is our resident physician to chime in?

  101. 2009 July 27 6:35 pm

    “That is what he did.”

    That’s the way I saw it, he side stepped it as he should have ( yes wasn’t how I would have liked or done it), and moved on to attack the bigger issue. That’s why like you I sort of cringed said “pus$y” toward the tv, and then watched the rest of the answer which was pretty effective. Making bigger mountain out of this than need be nobody was thrown under the bus here, it’s just another example in a long line of weakness, what the hell else is new… christ at this point I was just happy he didn’t get sucked into the question even more and was able to drive the discussion back to where it belonged. Plenty as noted to moan at Kyl about, this really ain’t one of them given where we’re at in the Senate.

    I’m bored with this, heading to bed /flame on

  102. 2009 July 27 7:40 pm
    BCL permalink

    We know their arguments. We understand their weaknesses.

    I agree. I have admitted being a lib. Living in the Bay Area cocoon during my early 20s did it. I have shared with you that I think I understand why they are what they are. I was one.

    When I left the Bay Area I couldn’t support my beliefs and realized it was all baloney. On the right path officially since 1991.

    I still enjoy liberals company and find many of them very interesting. I try not to debate them since it’s a waste of time, but I did have some fun with some of them when they made stupid remarks during my 3 weeks in The Haight.

  103. 2009 July 27 8:37 pm
    BCL permalink

    I guess most of you know my story already so I apologize for repeating it.

  104. 2009 July 27 9:31 pm
    brucefdb permalink

    BCL, did not know your story, spent some time in Haight myself, though never an advocate but took some serious drugs while in the service. This is part of our journey….thanks, I bet we have a lot in common.

  105. 2009 July 27 9:37 pm
    JustMary permalink

    I have quite a few liberal friends, but I try not to discuss politics with them. Wellllllll except one…I discuss politics at every opportunity just because it provides fodder for the hubs and my entertainment for days on end. We are currently laughing about how it is Bush’s fault he lost his home. Yep….Bush twisted his arm until he had no choice but to use his house like an atm. You should be allowed to live in your home for free if you can’t make the payments, no matter if you bought a boat or a Lexus with the money you took out which caused you to go under in the first place. Oh and Obama is the smartest man alive. hahahahahaha This guy is too fun. Anyone want his phone number? You too can have this kind of entertainment when you are bored. Or we could un-ban acroso, either way. 😛

  106. 2009 July 27 9:37 pm
    janzam permalink

    Everybody who grew up in CA has a Haight Ashbury story tucked away somewhere in their life archives. Then we grow up and get “civilized” and responsible.

  107. 2009 July 27 9:39 pm
    JustMary permalink

    Kidding about the acroso thing….he is not coming back no matter how bored I get.

  108. 2009 July 27 10:00 pm
    BCL permalink

    This is part of our journey….thanks, I bet we have a lot in common.

    Everybody who grew up in CA has a Haight Ashbury story tucked away somewhere in their life archives. Then we grow up and get “civilized” and responsible.

    Well, I was just in the Haight working on the stepson’s house. I only do beer these days (and an occasional Dirty Martini) and they sure have some great beer in the Haight. Go Toronado!!!!!

    San Francisco is a magical town despite the politics. The history, architecture, geography, climate and even the culture really appeal to me. I met folks from all over the world and some locals I hadn’t met before. They were great peeps.

    I really enjoyed those 53 degree temps! Now I’m back to the 114º. Love the desert though.

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