Why Do People Hate Sarah Palin So Intensely?
2009 July 4
My answer:
Jealousy
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She is happy, they are not.
She shows the world that a Christian life of service, honesty, values, hard work and independence equals success. Her lifestyle brings peace, happiness, and success.
the elites and their hangers on hate that.
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Guns, babies, Jesus = one big happy successful family
They hate that, too.
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Agreed
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And the feminists hate her because she:
1) Stays with one man,
2) Lets her babies live instead of crushing their skulls, burning their skins, dismembering them with forceps, or stopping their hearts with poison..
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RWY,
I think you are pretty close to the mark. One of the precepts of leftist dogma is that the individual cannot make it on their own and always needs ‘help’. To then have someone who stands there by sheer example that it is all a lie, the left must feel compelled to destroy. Otherwise their carefully coiffured concepts are for naught.
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1. She represented (and still does) one of the biggest dangers to Zero
2. Her pro-life stance
3. For many women, she’s not, they’re not
4. For RINOs, they fear she would move the party to the right
bc3b (aka Brad Plitt look-alike, just more handsome)
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3. she’s hot, they’re not
This is really a thread Chekote should be participating in. Few people hate Sarah Palin as much as Chekote. Hey, Mr. Chekote, take that Sarah Palin calendar down from the garage (or at least hide it)
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There are some principled complaints one could have with Sarah:
1) she needs to articulate a small government philosophy and be able to defend it. She has done this on energy and security, needs to do more.
2) IMHO, she played along with McCain way too much, such as when she endorsed amnesty. She needs to delve into the immigration issue with FAIR and NumbersUSA and get real on the immigration issue.
3) Realize there is no peace with the left, and never will be. Terminate them with extreme prejudice…
These are all do-able, and Sarah needs to get her done.
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I am reposting the Geraghty NRO comment from the other day:
‘….and why, eight months after the election, Palin still arouses such fury amongst liberals and so many rank-and-file Democrats.
After all, even if you think her election to the vice presidency would be the worst disaster ever to befall the Republic, Palin has, by and large, gone away. She’s mostly focused on her work as governor of Alaska. She doesn’t appear on many talk shows or do many interviews. She’s been outside of Alaska . . . four times? Once to the National Governors Association meeting, once to a pro-life dinner, once to the Alfalfa Club dinner, and once to Auburn, N.Y. for an event raising money for a museum honoring William Seward, the 19th-century U.S. secretary of state who acquired Alaska for the United States. There’s no clear sense of her future plans; the near-daily denunciation seems to be just in case she decides to run for national office, a far-from-certain event that would occur, at the earliest, three and a half years from now.
My first thought was that it tied heavily to her appearance. In liberals’ minds, conservatives are supposed to look like the couple from the painting American Gothic: Dour and joyless, aged, spartan and frail. Political leaders aren’t supposed to be young, really good-looking women, full of energy, smiles, and winks.
Hugh suggested it tied to the contrast between her lifestyle and her critics: “She is the embodiment of the anti-choice, the opposite of every choice that lefty elites have ever made — as to going back home instead of moving to the west coast, having children, having a child with Down’s, staying married to one man the whole time, choosing rural or suburban over urban and living a generally conservative lifestyle, working with her hands . . . That everything she is is the antithesis of everything that liberal urban elites are, so it’s not just enough to say, ‘I disagree with you,’; she has to be repudiated and crushed.”
And now, I would submit a slight refining of that idea, that the seeming happiness of Palin’s life is a 24-7 irritant because it challenges the way some liberals see the world.
Liberals believe that their ideas, philosophy, worldview, and policies liberate believers, and that the conservative equivalents limit people. Liberals see themselves as rejecting outdated beliefs and obsolete ideas, overturning established orders, and discarding traditions established by superstitious and ignorant forebears who weren’t as enlightened as we are. Conservatives, in their minds, are runaway cultural superegos, always wagging their fingers about individual responsibility, dismissing excuses, reminding people that they can’t always do what they want because of the consequences to themselves and to others.
Conservatism, they suspect, will leave you in a marriage that doesn’t satisfy you, burden you with children you don’t want, repress your passions, and trap you in a empty, boring, and unfulfilled life, with no hand of government able to help.
Today almost everyone faces some sort of challenge in balancing work and family; I don’t know too many people who believe there are sufficient hours in a day. And then along comes this woman who’s made all of these “conservative” choices and now has an amazing career, a supportive husband, a beautiful family, and great health and appearance, and she bears it all, including the inevitable hard times, with pluck and a smile, as far as we can tell. (For all we know, perhaps behind closed doors, Sarah Palin screams into a pillow when it all gets to be too much. But what we know about her suggests she relieves her stress by shooting moose.)
A short while back, Los Angeles Times columnist Meghan Daum suggested, only half-jokingly, that actress Angelina Jolie’s “entire Oscar-winning, serial-adopting, Brad Pitt-snagging, plane-piloting, unattainably hot-looking existence makes women around the world feel hopelessly inadequate and therefore unhappy.” Perhaps Sarah Palin is the Angelina Jolie of the political world.
In her opponents’ minds, Palin’s made all the wrong choices, and cannot, they insist, be very bright. Yet she’s happy and successful. She is an anomaly that invalidates their worldview, and for that, they attempt to immiserate her — regardless of whether she wishes to run for national office again.’
I think this analysis is spot on.
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I agree, phin. She repudiates and invalidates everything they are and everything they think and believe about life.
I’ll quote you now! because I really like what you said with this,
The elites recognize that Palin connects in a way they are totally incapable of doing because she is someone they are totally incapable of being.
They hate that and they hate her.
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And at Hot Air, one of the bloggers in the Green Room nailed it this way,
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Although I’d change that to say the moral and emotional bankruptcy of the beltway elites of all political labels has been exposed.
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While the U.S. has not been a country of elites, elites have played a greated role in decision making since FDR.
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INC –
Welcome back. Hopefully all is well with you.
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Thanks, bc3b. To be honest, things are really tough right now, but I thought I would say come by and say Happy 4th and Freedom Day!
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Hi INC…. happy 4th and let me know if there’s anything I can do for you. Say hello to beej and Judy for me if you hear from them, please…
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Sarah dresses out moose.
Her critics dress like a moose to go out.
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And I hope I didn’t drive them away with my strong words on the Tiller thing, seems like ancient history now….
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Thanks, RWY. I stay in email touch with Judy a bit more than beej, but I’ll do that.
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There is something about a Down syndrome child in plain view which has exposed the moral and emotional bankruptcy of the left-wing of the Democratic party.
Many people feel this way around sick or disabled people. Several of my close friends, though happily not all of them, took this view of Terri Schaivo…
They looked and her and saw weakness. Even when I presented all the facts of the case, including what her husband did and what the judge did, they did not care.
“She’s too far gone now, let her die..” and no amount of reasoning or pleading on behalf of Christian charity toward the sick, or toward the innocent who have no voice, would sway them.
It was a difficult time for me with some of them, finding out what they were like deep down..
An astonishing number of Americans seem to view the sick/disabled/unborn as life unworthy of life. Instead of a chance to show God’s love and mercy, and to show the power of the human body to persevere and recover, they only want to kill.
I never want to be like that. There is a time to kill, and there are those persons that will always “need killing.”
But the sick, the elderly, the innocent disabled, and the unborn are not among them.
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And of course the left wants the power to kill all these types of people, and forbid the killing of remorseless murderers, or other violent criminals.
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unattainably hot-looking existence makes women around the world feel hopelessly inadequate and therefore unhappy.
Personally, I never thought of Jolie as all that “hot”. She reminded me of her dad, like Mira Sorvino and Liv Tyler. She tried to max out on the superficial features that men enjoy looking at, but IMO, part of what makes a woman attractive to a man is to be at peace with herself, and constantly adding curvature to the various anatomical features makes you wonder what she is trying to prove.
I guess she would say “hey, I’m trying to be all I can be”. Ok, whatever. But that blood vial around your neck is weirding me out…
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I am sorry Chekote isn’t on this thread.
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INC –
Good luck and may God be with you.
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I think you guys have pretty well summed it up. In a nutshell people don’t hate Sarah. Liberals do. We all know Liberals dont rise to the genetic definition of a person.
All the best INC. Happy fourth to all.
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Thank you, bc. I appreciate that.
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Thanks, bruce. Just saw your comment.
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BTW, I thought Chek wasn’t coming back. What led her to un-do her self-ban?
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Or do I not need to know?
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INC
Miss your posts. Hope the events in your life even out soon. But, I remember your father died recently, and this kind of loss puts everything in disarray for a while.
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Regarding the intensity of feelings towards Palin — people either love her, or love to hate her. I’ve run across very few who are just so-so about her.
Maybe one reason why people love to hate her, is that they really feel uncomfortable with the magnitudes who support her. This makes them actually “angry” at Palin…and the opposite emotion to anger is “fear.”
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Chekote is a blogging terminator, she will never stop unless crushed in a hydraulic press…
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They hate her because she could care less if they like her or not. I’m not sure, but I think this is more important to women than to men. And Liberal men are just like women anyway. 😀
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Jan, thank you. Disarray is a descriptive word! There are several things rocking our boat at the moment, including extended family and obamanomics.
I appreciate the kind thoughts of my cyber-friends.
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I think this is about the best analysis I’ve seen of Palin’s resignation:
What Else Was She Supposed To Do?
Mainly because I agree with it! 🙂
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He links to another excellent piece:
Mad Resignation
If you haven’t seen it, here’s the transcript of Palin’s speech:
Palin Announces No Second Term
Lots of good quotes in there. Here’s the basketball analogy referenced in Mad Resignation:
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The writer of Mad Resignation asks this:
This is his answer (my emphasis):
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They looked and her and saw weakness. Even when I presented all the facts of the case, including what her husband did and what the judge did, they did not care. — RWY
RWY, don’t about the rest, but I too see weakness in cases like that. Not for them, for me, for by the Grace of God that could be me given the proper circumstance. Weak because there is nothing I can do to remedy the situation.
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They hate her because she could care less if they like her or not.
Good point, Tony!
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“Chekote is a blogging terminator, she will never stop unless crushed in a hydraulic press…”
LOL!
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INC
Lovely to see you!
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Chekote was allowed to unban herself
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Not everyone agreed…
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Lovely To See You Again My Friend!/a>
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INC
Am glad you brought up the “basketball” analogy. I was taken with it too — very descriptive in it’s tactical application.
I liked how you honed it more with your own analysis, which, again is why I miss your posting so much!
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As I posted earlier, it’s a shame she is not here. Hating Sarah Palin intensely is one of the things Chekote is good at.
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My comments probably belong on one of the other Palin threads, but since this one is the “goer” at the moment, I’ll leave it here. I agree with JE Dyer’s thoughts in Mad Resignation. This matches Sarah Palin’s character.
In a well-written mystery, a key to whodunit is character. The author strews conflicting circumstances, but if the characterization is on target, then that becomes the leading modus operandi to sort out the solution.
Sarah’s character helps us sort out the solution.
From everything I have seen of Sarah, she is a woman of integrity. She means it when she talks about having a servant’s heart.
I think she sees that full-court press of destruction bearing down on this country and she knows that it’s time to change tactics to win the game, whether or not she gets to score that basket.
I think we’ll definitely see some of this played out in her helping in campaigns across the country in the mid-terms. For the rest, I think Sarah will stay flexible and alert.
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Because she is beautiful and had a Down Syndrome baby.
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Hello INC
I hope all is well with your family.
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Going along with looking at Palin’s character, and her patterns of behavior, for that matter, the MacLeod article brought out the other career move she made —-> relinquishing the“chair of the Alaska Oil & Gas Commission – helped accelerate her political ascent.”
Sometimes you have to let go of something before you are ready to grab onto something else. Far too few politicians do this, however. Just look at the many that run for higher office, while still maintaining their seats in the Senate etc..
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Hey, MFG, thanks.
Jan, thank you. I know who to quote! and I like to put the pieces of the puzzle together. From our basketball in phys ed in jr high and high school, I know enough to know the point guard has to be the best–look at the situation, analyze it, signal and keep the ball or make the right pass at the right time.
Our men’s high school varsity made it to state competition. The point guard and captain of the team was a short guy, but a terrific player.
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INC – good to see you again. You and your family have been in my thoughts and prayers – with the holidays and all, I know it is tough with the absence of loved ones.
Sarah Palin is a threat because she is NOT one of them (beltway elites) but is one of us. Ronald Reagan was disliked as much for the very same reason – he was one of us and NOT one of them. Sarah even more so not having the fame and fortune Ronnie had being in Hollywood.
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Hey, chek. Happy 4th!
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Thanks, gnqanq.
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Unless some sort of family emergency comes up, Palin is finished. If she had opted to finish her term and then announced she would not seek re-election because she intended to run for POTUS, that would have been a shrewed move but quitting like this in the middle of her first term? No way. One of the main criticisms against her was the lack of experience. How is quitting going to remedy that?
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I saw an old movie, the Matrix, last night. The premise of it, other than the Matrix itself (which seemed eerily like the world Obama’s followers live in), is that you have to unequivocally believe in yourself to accomplish what you want.
I think this is one of Palin’s real strengths…which is why she so readily can go against the grain to seek what she believes is best for this country.
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Found this in Wiki’s article on Point Guards:
How very prescient!
IMO, Sarah has court vision!
You know, coaches always go on and on about sports teaching you about life.
They’re right.
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In fact (referring to the Matrix movie again), is Palin, much like “Neil,” The One,…..ordained to lead us out of this mess????
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Here is my theory about this:
1) Family illness or emergency in which case she still can come back;
2) E-mails from the campaign were starting to link out and they were not favorable to Palin. More to come so she decided to stop it by stepping down.
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INC
They only problem the basketball analysis is the Palin had dropped the ball a long time ago. She has no ball to pass.
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Thanks, Jan
There has been some really great posts lately regarding Palin, both pro and con. But even before that, Conservative blogs across the spectrum have been quite busy lately. Conservatives are getting restless and can’t wait for 2010. Something big is about to happen.
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Is it that you see something others don’t see, Chek?
Or, is it that you have hit a brick wall in how you view Palin. and are unable to see beyond it?
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Jan, I have to admit I’ve never seen the Matrix. I think Sarah knows herself and her abilities and looks to God for guidance at each decision.
Another quote from Mad Resignation:
I’m an evangelical Christian myself, and I understand this aspect of Sarah’s thinking.
It’s outside conventional political thinking, but Sarah Palin was never much on conventional political thinking in the first place!
🙂
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I do wish people on the Right would stop using Trig to make political points. The Dems and liberals would never have voted for Sarah even if Trig wasn’t in the picture. The problem with her is that she didn’t appeal to indies, defense hawks and other Republican leaning voters. Bringing Trig up over and over just makes conservatives look silly. I couldn’t care less that she had Trig. I would have equally not cared if she had chosen to abort Trig. It is not an issue to people who believe that these decisions belong to the individual and her family not government.
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much like “Neil,” The One,…..ordained to lead us out of this mess????
Jan, lol, lololol…..hahahahaha.
It’s “Neo”… “Neo” is “the One”…
lololol…..
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It’s outside conventional political thinking, but Sarah Palin was never much on conventional political thinking in the first place!
….which is what makes her unique and so “refreshing,” in my book.
I am quite frankly tired of all the political posturing, beltway egos, insincerity, and back-biting that seems to be mainstream politics these days.
Give me a Sarah Palin, and I will vote for her!
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Well, chek, if she doesn’t, then why has everyone and their brother (aunt, uncle, you name it) gone after her?
IMHO, she has that ball and they know it. They’ve been trying to rip it from her fingers and they’ve committed continuous personal fouls to do so.
To quote Sarah:
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Are you serious rwy — “Neo?” was his name, as it sounded like “Neil.”
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Chekote
The point is that the intensity of the opposition is WILDLY over the top
Look at the deranged gibberish emanating from your buddy Andrew Sullivan
Why is the hatred so INTENSE, so vicious and so PERSONAL?
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I do wish people on the Right would stop using Trig to make political points. The Dems and liberals would never have voted for Sarah even if Trig wasn’t in the picture. The problem with her is that she didn’t appeal to indies, defense hawks and other Republican leaning voters.
This is stupid, Sarah is much stronger on defense issue than anyone else in the race, on either side…
Indies leaned Obama, and have now regretted their choice…
Republicans did not get any “leaners” in the last election….
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Jan
More and more conservative voices where joining my point of view. Did you catch the letter to Palin by Jonah Goldberg? Look you want to believe that Palin is great and is the answer fine. I choose to look at the facts. She wasn’t prepared for the national stage. She did nothing to improve her knowlege after the election. She was not viable. She has charisma. She is great looking. But she is not viable.
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Jan, a lot of people are tired of political grandstanding and posturing.
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Are you serious rwy — “Neo?” was his name, as it sounded like “Neil.”
hahahahahahahahahaha…… deep breath…….hahahahahahahahahaha..
Jan, that is HILARIOUS….
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Even if everything negative you say about her were true it doesn’t justify the wildly disproportionate response
There’s something more going on here than just political opposition…
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RWY, the indies have left Obama big time according to the latest Rasmussen from the other day. They are gone from the Dem fold.
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Leave Chekote alone with her maladies…….
There is no problem with Palin, that a few policy speeches cannot fix… as far as we know at this time, of course……
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Why is the hatred so INTENSE, so vicious and so PERSONAL?
Are you looking for an answer or is it just a rhetorical question?
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The Communists are terrified Palin will bring women back to the GOP bigtime
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MFG, I agree. The reaction is vitriolic and intense.
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The big problem amongst conservatives is the lack of a leader with vision.
The GOP lost its way. Why, because it discarded what work. Since Eisenhower we have had one true Conservative President. He had minorities in the Congress, yet was able to get most of what he wanted.
We know conservatism wins, yet the GOP wants to run as Dem lite.
The true conservative base is excited by Sarah. Has any other GOP politician excited anyone, let alone the numbers Sarah generates. Go back to prior to Sarah being named VP, what types of crowds was John McCain generating.
Sarah is a charismatic individual who has basic conservative values and beliefs. She sees what is coming and knows it is time to engage to preserve who and what we are. She will do this in a manner she believes is most effective.
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Jan has got me laughing harder than I have in a month……
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There is no problem with Palin, that a few policy speeches cannot fix… as far as we know at this time, of course……
That was true before she quit. Now she has a bigger problem unless some kind of family emergency comes to light.
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gnqanq,
Sarah is a charismatic individual who has basic conservative values and beliefs. She sees what is coming and knows it is time to engage to preserve who and what we are. She will do this in a manner she believes is most effective.
I agree.
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I want an answer
If she was unqualified for VP in 2008 she was no more so than say John Edwards was and no one was foaming at the mouth attacking him
He got routine political attacks, as Palin could have expected
Instead she got savage never ending grotesquely unfair smear campaigns the like of which this country has never seen
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Jan has got me laughing harder than I have in a month……—>rwy
You definitely caught me on that one! 🙂
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“RWY, the indies have left Obama big time according to the latest Rasmussen from the other day. They are gone from the Dem fold.”
Ha ha ha. I will laugh my a$$ off when the fake Conservative Democrats running for reelection put up a YOU ARE NOT WELCOME HERE sign to keep Obama as far away as possible.
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The Dems hate her because her very character reveals who they are.
The elite GOP hate her because she is who they pretend to be.
As phin said of the USA, It is a rougher, cruder, louder country, with a great big heart, compassion, honesty, and enthusiasm for life. And this is what Palin reflects. And like many previous American politicians, she succeeds by tapping into this basic characteristic of America.
The pundits hate her because she doesn’t play by their rules of politics.
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Attacking someone’s teenage daughter!
How disgraceful!
How would the press treat similar attacks on Obama’s daughters…???
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Tony, you know they’re going to do that! When campaigning for the midterms gets really going, the welcome mat for Obama isn’t going to be ther.
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I should have added this to my previous comment, but better late than never.
In a year from now, who will be more shunned by their own party, Obama or Palin?
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Tony,
Ha! The R candidates will be begging her to campaign for them!
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I’m telling you guys, Palin’s decision to turn the reins over to her capable successor could be just what our party needed.
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Do you think that Sarah sees a disillusioned GOP that has no rallying point, has no one leading the way.
Look at how Rush Limbaugh seems to be the voice of conservatives. How he seems to be the primary voice from the right to take on “zero”. From even prior to “zero” taking office and until recently, the GOP sat quietly taking it in the rear with a smile on their face. Rush was one of a few who spoke up and said stop.
Sarah can be that person to energize the loyal opposition (GOP) and support House and Senate challengers in 2010. Who else is doing that? Thus laying the ground work for a GOP win 2012. Whether it be her or someone else in the GOP.
Right now, there is no one taking the lead. We saw how excited people were with Romney, Jeb Bush, Huckabee, Rudy or anyone else since the election.
Remember, 40% of the people consider themselves to be Conservative.
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I’m one who believes that truth and goodness have a ring to them that eventually catches people’s attention. I think people innately are looking for that within themselves, and when someone comes along who naturally enacts that in their life it is magnetic.
Sarah Palin seems to have such a quality. And, I think that quality may override what she may lack in “polish.”
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BTW great thoughts in your Posts, gnqanq> You’re on a roll!
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It’s true. The GOP is leaderless and adrift. Let the girl have the wheel, if no one else wants it.
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Again:
If she was unqualified for VP in 2008 she was no more so than say John Edwards was in 2004 and no one was foaming at the mouth attacking him
He got routine political attacks, as Palin could have expected
Instead she got savage never ending grotesquely unfair smear campaigns the like of which this country has never seen before
Why…???
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Maureen Dowd has hit the papers with her column trashing Palin. It is almost like getting a merit badge when you ruffle so many in the MSM!
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Jan – to me it is reality, the facts on the ground.
I get so tired of that we can not say a bad thing about “zero” or we are racists for opposing “the one”. BS on that and that is what I tell people. I oppose “zero” because of his policies and what they will do. If it is racism, then tell me why I voted for Ken Blackwell for Governor (Ohio) over that white guy from southern ohio who is a blue dog democrat.
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Agree 100%, gnqanq!
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Maureen Dowd called her nutty, but sadly enough, many of the commenters at HHR are using words like ‘loser’. I figured Sarah would have a home there, even if they don’t support her for POTUS.
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The Left started its attacks on Palin because of her successful launch at the GOP convention. She delivered a great speech. Women flocked to her and so did indies (take a look at the polls). So initially the visciuoness of the attack was due to the fact that Palin was threatening Obama’s coronation. After the Couric interview, the Left came to regard her as an idiot like Bush. The Left enjoys attacking Palin the idiot as much as they still enjoy attacking Bush the idiot. Reading some deeper meaning it is just foolish and will lead conservative to draw the wrong conclusion.
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IF Sarah was the nominee in 2012, how many more women would vote for her over any other white guy from the GOP? The women’s gap has hurt the GOP. Do we run a candidate based on identity politics – NO. But it does have a real impact and real numbers behind it.
How many people voted for “zero” just because he was black (not counting blacks)? How many people wanted to vote for the 1st black president? It was history and they wanted to be part of history. These are facts, may not be pleasant but it is reality.
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O/T for a moment…
Over at instapundit they have been posting pictures for days of various tea party gatherings around the country. Of course the press doesn’t seem to be covering them. But, that doesn’t mean they are not happening!
I don’t know if they will be able to match the numbers of the April tea parties, but the fact that a leaderless movement is still able to galvanize unrelated people across the country to congregate for purposes of liberty and freedom is impressive.
There is such a party slated in our area which my husband and I are going to attend. This morning we went down to “Main Street” for a homespun parade of community organizations, fire and police depts, local high school band and city officials. It was fun and uplifting to see the American flag on display, giving credence to Rasmussen’s poll today saying that 62% of Americans polled say that July 4th is the most important holiday of the year!
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But Joe Biden is as stupid as a can of lima beans
Why no hatred of him…???
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Chekote,
You can continue to call Bush and Palin idiots; that’t what you do. You have been calling her an idiot for the longest time–probably even before the convention.
Anyway, when you say “Sarah is an idiot” or “Bush is an idiot”, would you consider that to be one of those old, worn out cliches Krauthammer as talking about?
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Real reason:
Leftists are TERRIFIED Palin brings women back to the GOP
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gnqanq
The woman’s vote for Palin seems to be split. Midwestern woman, Christian and stay-at-home Moms love her. But, for some reason, professional (NOW types) don’t. In fact, they, like Chek infers, think that she is dumb and a loser.
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The women’s gap has hurt the GOP.
Palin has not put forth an agenda that will bring women back to the GOP.
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Biden, like so many other foot-in-mouth leftists, seem insulated from their shortcomings becoming canon fodder for the MSM.
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I don’t think that Palin divides up a constituency like other politicians do, in having to do this for the woman’s black, hispanic etc. vote.
Rather, her candidacy is based on values, principles that cross all gender and racial lines. You either are in sync with them or you’re not.
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Jan – if Sarah can bring those (midwestern, christians & stay at home) women out in droves – it could be the difference between winning and losing.
I have noticed how nuts those women are for Sarah. And how motivated they are. I also noticed that some of those traditional women from the Democratic side were for Sarah. Not many but maybe enough. Look no further than Greta. Have you noticed how pro-Sarah Greta seems to be. Yet she favors Democratic issues. Her husband was a big backer of Hillary and was the one behind Democrats for McCain.
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CT –
Chekote use cliches? You can’t be sefrious.
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But, for some reason, professional (NOW types) don’t. In fact, they, like Chek infers, think that she is dumb and a loser.
Because her candidacy was an insult to professional women. Look everybody like her (including me) when she came on the scene. Bartiromo really like her because Palin was presented as a competent executive/reformer. A working mom juggling many things. However, her lack of knowledge about national issues reduced her candidacy to a cheap, cynical play to get women’s votes and it backfired. To suggest that professional women would vote for a woman based on gender alone is insulting.
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gnqanq — the women that Sarah attracts are the blocks that have been cited. And, yes, if she can appeal to them, in mass, it is a solid block of votes. And, it will probably polarize the NOW vote even more!
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Look I told you why the Left dislikes her. Buy you guys want to wallow in the unfairness of it all. What can I tell you? Life is unfair. What matters is how you deal with the unfairness. Liz Cheney deals with it but being knowledgeable, prepared and outmaneveuring the Left with FACTS. Palin, so far, has dealth with it by becoming bitter about it.
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Palin has not put forth an agenda that will bring women back to the GOP.—Chec
Uhh, she’s been running a state and fighting stupid-ass ethics complaints. Why do you think she quit?
Think, Chekote, think.
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A TRUE feminist would ADORE Palin
Successful without a man’s help at a very young age, happy, accomplished, family, husband
Isn’t this what feminism was SUPPOSED to be about?
TRUE equality for women
She EMBODIES this…
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First of all NOW doesn’t represent the vast majority of women. So why even bring them up? They don’t speak for women. Haven’t in years.
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If she were a liberal and had been picked by Obama these same people would be convulsing in apoplexies of adoration for Palin…
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MFG –
“But Joe Biden is as stupid as a can of lima beans
Why no hatred of him…???”
Because he’s part of the Obama administration, Making Slo Joe look bad is one of the easiest things to do, but MSM resists.
One of the best examples was the Couric interview with Biden in which Slo Joe talked about going on TV to address the American people in 1929. Couric knew better. She was in middle school in 1929.
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TERRIFIED of her…
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Chek — This is where I really disagree with you. I never saw Palin as having “a lack of knowledge,” so much as just being a newbie on the political scene and being played as a ingenue sucker by the MSM.
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Jan, good point about Sarah not dividing up a constituency. I think she does pull people with values, principles that cross all gender and racial lines.
It occurs to me that that’s another reason they hate her. She’s not relying on the identity politics that is the breath of life to the Left.
Which also leads me to a thought regarding the way that the Dems (and R lites) always fake they’re more centrist–even at times conservative–than they really are. The real deal shows up the phonies.
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Jan – it will polarize NOW, but there will be breaks from within NOW. Remember that one women from LA (NOW) who came out for McCain, just because Sarah was on the ticket and how “zero” treated Hillary.
There are women within NOW who it is about women first. They will come across the aisle and vote for Sarah. Even more so when they realize how pragmatic Sarah is.
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chekote –
“First of all NOW doesn’t represent the vast majority of women. So why even bring them up? They don’t speak for women. Haven’t in years.”
Good point. I wonder what the average age of a NOW member is. My guess would be late 50s – early 60s.
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MFG — A true feminist is totally different than the “feminist” depicted by the left.
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Uhh, she’s been running a state and fighting stupid-ass ethics complaints. Why do you think she quit?
For God’s sake how many complaints, investigations were filed against the Clintons. Did they quit? Their legal bills ran in the millions. SarahPAC had raised hundreds of thousands to pay for her bills. I don’t know why she quit. Either some kind of family emergency or negative stuff was coming out and she thought she could stop it by getting off the stage.
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As Rush once said, ‘I can get behind the women’s movement’
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The real deal shows up the phonies.–>INC
This is the crux of the argument, and what lifts Palin above the rest. And, she isn’t even trying to be anything but herself!
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Good point. I wonder what the average age of a NOW member is. My guess would be late 50s – early 60s.
And mostly lesbians.
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And, she isn’t even trying to be anything but herself!
And herself ain’t good enough for the national stage.
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It was a mistake for Nicole Wallace to schedule Palin’s first interviews on network news in a taped format, where they could be easily edited.
Live interviews only – that’s what GOP candidates should insist upon.
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gnqanq — woman who see things in Palin that are genuine and honest will break ranks, no matter what their affiliation.
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jan – I agree.
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Jan
Watch this video. She made a connection between the Paulson Plan (bailout bill) and healthcare. These are Sarah’s words not Couric.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heAibiOJ5NE
You still think she was prepared?
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woman who see things in Palin that are genuine and honest will break ranks, no matter what their affiliation.
What things?
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BC
You can blame editing all you want. Palin was not knowledgeable about the issues. Period. End of story.
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It’s going to be interesting over the next few months seeing what lengths MSM will go to in protecting Obama if the wheels come off the wagon.
At the time the Stimulus was passed, it was around 7% and Obama claimed it would go to 9% without the Stimulus. It’s 9.5% now.
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TERRIFIED of her…
Yeah, we are shaking in out boots. Especially, now that she quit.
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Chek, the video was awkward and Palin’s ideas/thoughts did not flow well.
But, rather than see it as not understanding the issues, it seemed more that she did not know how to convey the complexity of the issues well during what must have been an intimidating Couric interview.
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I think if Palin decides to go for a national position, she will be able to make some corrections in her demeaner which will make all the difference in how she comes across to people.
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I have never denied Palin had a poor performance with Couric. Gibson was out to get her with the Bush Doctine, which he himself didn’t understand.
Rergardless of who the candidate is, it’s important to remember that 90%+ of MSM (producers and writers as well as on-camera talent are liberal Dems. They want their candidates and issues to look good.
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For God’s sake how many complaints, investigations were filed against the Clintons. Did they quit? — Chek
Chek, let me ask you. If someone kept doing the same thing and not extracting themselves from the situation, wouldn’t you consider that stupid? Clinton should have gotten out. He was in a hole and digging deeper. But the man had no options other than going out on the lecture circuit. (Remember at the time he had been stripped from the bar.) So that was a man with nowhere to go. Did they quit? — They had no choice. I would not then make the leap that translates to courage.
Palin does and decided for her own reasons to move on.
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Chek, the video was awkward and Palin’s ideas/thoughts did not flow well.
It is worse than that. There was no connection between the bailout and healthcare. She was foolish in trying to make a connection.
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Palin needs to shed the Alaska image. You can’t do that as the state’s governor.
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Years ago I was terrified of public speaking. But, because I started taking a larger role in my son’t middle school, I was forced to publically explain certain issues. At the beginning I sounded choppy and not well-versed on the subject. But, with more experience I have become a much better speaker, over the years.
Practice makes perfect, as they say!
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I think if Palin decides to go for a national position, she will be able to make some corrections in her demeaner which will make all the difference in how she comes across to people.
That was true BEFORE she quit. Now how is she going to overcome the charge that she doesn’t have enough experience? Yes, I know. The Palinistas will say but Obama was only in the Senate two years before he started running for POTUS. Yeah, but Obama didn’t quit his job.
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BC
There is nothing wrong with Alaska. Palin needed to shed the image that she wasn’t versed on national issues. That required for her to hit the books. For eight months she chose not to do it.
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It is worse than that. There was no connection between the bailout and healthcare. She was foolish in trying to make a connection.
Chek – Palin was nervous. She was looking down at her notes a lot.
nerves + dependence on notes = sloppy performance & disconnection to the subject being discussed
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Why no hatred of him…???”
Why would the Left hate one of its own? You really need to get over your Palin crush. You are starting to make as much sense as Sanford. I guess love does make men stupid. *sigh*
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janzam
I think if Palin decides to go for a national position, she will be able to make some corrections in her demeaner which will make all the difference in how she comes across to people.
She needs a speech coach to teach her breath control. I noticed in the speech the other day that she sounded choppy because she was taking breaths mid sentence. Though I also noticed she spoke slower during that speech too. She’s learning.
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All I noticed in the speech yesterday is that she was nervous also.
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To some Palin may never be able to overcome the assertion they try to tie to her of “being a quitter.”
So what! She can just let the crows have their day on the sidelines, while she makes headlines in other more positive areas. The crows will soon get sore throats!
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Jan, there is nothing like having to explain and defend yourself on an issue to learn the cogent points and usual lines of attack. Your original position stays the same, but you learn to articulate it, defend it and turn the tables to go after those in opposition.
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In a year from now, we’ll see who’s right: Palin or Chekote.
I’ve got my money on Palin.
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chekote –
“TERRIFIED of her…
Yeah, we are shaking in out boots. Especially, now that she quit.”
Exactly. not being governor, there’s nothing keeping her chained to Alaska, she can be anywhere in the country. My guess is that Kay Barely Republican is among those who should be terrified of her. Do you have a caged room you keep Mr. Chekote in when Sarah is in Texas?
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LOL!
Freudian slip on your part Chekote
I said LEFTISTS are terrified of Palin
Your response was “Yeah, we are shaking in our boots.”
Let the cat out of the bag there, didn’t we…???
LOL!!
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She needs a speech coach to teach her breath control.
Yes, you’re right drdog. There is a popular morning radio show talk host who, years ago, recounted how he went through extensive sessions “training” his voice to carry off a successful radio show. He talked about the breath, the rapidity of talking, emphasis on certain words — there is a technique to talking where others will listen attentively.
I talk too fast when I argue with my husband. Now, I’m slowing it down a bit, and he stays in the room a little longer LOL.
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CT –
Chekote has been right plenty of times. There was …. No, she was wrong then. What about ………..? No, that didn’t work out either. We;;, I bet she had some correct answers on her grade school math tests.
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“Why would the Left hate one of its own? You really need to get over your Palin crush. You are starting to make as much sense as Sanford. I guess love does make men stupid. ”
Stop that bullshit
I don’t even support Palin
I’m making logical arguments and you can’t answer them…
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It is worse than that. There was no connection between the bailout and healthcare. She was foolish in trying to make a connection. — Chek
Why? Obama has at least three times I know of made the very claim that to fix the economy we need to reform health care. Nice try.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R_VcD3TuTw Go to about the :30 mark. Or here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVN5rEEPhdY at the :12 mark.
What you and most of the pols miss is that regardless of what they do, the health care costs HAVE to rise. The largest population of Americans ever are retiring. They will end up on Medicare/Medicaid regardless. On a dollar cost basis even with a fixed unit cost per patient the gross $$ cost of those programs are going to rise.
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Your original position stays the same, but you learn to articulate it, defend it and turn the tables to go after those in opposition.
Articulation of one’s message is the key. Once a person learns how to do that, often times the performance is what is remembered and not the message. Isn’t that how Obama got to be where he is?
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I talk too fast when I argue with my husband. Now, I’m slowing it down a bit, and he stays in the room a little longer LOL. — janzam
Good for you. My wife just tells me — ‘you need to think faster!’.
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Boy, people are really on today in their points. It’s like a bloody debate team here!
Good one, drdog!
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‘you need to think faster!’.
I totally understand that comment. But, it doesn’t work well, saying it out loud to your spouse. The goal is understanding, not further alienation! 🙂
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BC
LOL. Even a broken clock……
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Jan, actually I think Obama had no message. He was and is just a flim flam man. He wrote something to the effect that he is a blank screen on which people project their own hopes and dreams–essentially what they want him to be. They voted for a mirage.
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The goal is understanding, not further alienation! 🙂 — Janzam
We do too J. We’ve just learned to say what we have to say without the defense-attack pitch in the voice. Plus she’s pretty down to earth so when she says something I usually don’t throw it away.
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Former NFL QB Steve McNair has been shot to death along with a female. Not sure if it was murder-suicide or double murder until more details become known.
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Sorta like this guy INC? — http://estreetfilmsociety.blogspot.com/2008/11/voices-elmer-gantry.html
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Yes!
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Nair
http://www.newschannel5.com/global/story.asp?s=10643962
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INC – I was alluding to the fact that Obama had no message. But, he had perfected his “performance,” which is what everybody bought, hook, line and sinker!
Below is a John Ziegler phone interview with Palin before her resignation. It shows her POV, and focus, especially in light of all the negatives people keep piling on her.
She seems to rise above, or transcend the problems, which I think is a wonderful quality of any leader.
Did Palin hint at quitting last month?
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We’re on the same track then, Jan.
Even as a speaker, I have to say that the little I have listened to Obama, he has always seemed so remote, so aloof, so conceited, it is hard to understand how audiences respond to him. A commenter on HA thought his style is typical of a narcissist–there is an inability to personally engage with your audience. I thought the observation was correct.
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O/T
dr dog – considering that “zero” is going to Russia and since you have the resident Russian expert in your home.
How bad does your wife think Putin & Company will eat “zero’s” lunch and have him pay for it?
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How bad does your wife think Putin & Company will eat “zero’s” lunch and have him pay for it? — GN
Heh. I had that very discussion with her yesterday. I told her she needed to write a letter to Putin that he’s a wonderful bluffer but holds lousy poker hands all the time. She thinks he probably have Obama folding on the missile defense program for eastern europe before he comes back. She also finds it odd that Clinton is not going to Russia too. Russians are thinking that more than just politics, but a Trostkyesque import of some sort.
The Poles on the other hand will be hating O’s guts.
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GN, thanks for the reminder. The question is, how will Obama apologize for what Reagan did to the Russians?
I hear he’s going to trash the SALT treatie(s). Think he’ll say something memorable like “Trust, but verify”? Or will he says something like, “America trusts you, so we won’t need to verify. However, given our past….”
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INC — We’re in agreement, as to how we see Obama’s personal style, too. I simply don’t like his voice. It sounds “abrupt” and “haughty” to me. But, as you well know, others just seem to curl up around it, and give in to whatever he says. ??????? As for me, I more often than not just turn the dial when he comes on.
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She also finds it odd that Clinton is not going to Russia too.
Broken elbow or not, I am finding H. Clinton’s role in the Obama Administration more than odd. She seems to all but have disappeared in a job that is usually very high profile.
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I’ll never figure it out–haughty is a key word.
I know that when Muir of Day By Day draws him for a comic, he always has O’s nose in the air.
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Clarify–O’s appeal is what I can’t figure out.
It was like mass hypnosis or something.
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Chekote –
You seldom comment on whom you would like as the 2012 GOP nominee. You liked Sanford, as I did, but he’s toast. Tou’re not fond of Romney. Of the potential standard bearers, whom do you like?
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dr dog – thanks for the info
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I think Hillary wishes she had stayed in the Senate. When Zero explodes, she could have challenged him in 2012 from the senate. That’s hard to do when you’re on the team.
Can’t understand why people leave the Senate for cabinet positions. The House maybe, but not the Senate.
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It will be interesting to see what role Palin takes. If she becomes spokesperson for the conservative point of view, I can see it deepening the divide in the GOP with DC insiders against her and people like Limbaugh, Levin and Gallagher backing her.
Love her or haye her, you have to admit that Sarah makes things more interesting.
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Had Hillary not been so hell bent for being on a “ticket,” she could have stayed in the Senate, becoming the Democratic Voice of Reason, countering all of obama’s off-the-wall, no good policies.
Instead, she stands by his side, is said to have “whispered” to him to be more outspoken in support for the Iranian dissentents. And, will most probably go down with Obama’s ship of fools, when it hopefully sinks on the weight of it’s own misguided folly.
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I never understood why Clinton did it. I understand why Obama offered it. But Clinton I saw no tactical advantage to her. She has not really done well at it either. So if she was looking to polish her executive and foreign relations credentials I think she has not done herself any favors.
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On 4th of July this seems like a apropros for this youtube video to be looked at for a 2nd time. A friend of mine, sent it to me, who I thought was very liberal. But, she seems to agree with it, and wanted me to pass it around. Attached to the email was this message:
a href=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFpEyA>We the People Stimulus Package
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We the People Stimulus Package
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Just advertised on Fox: Greta: Sarah Palin, an American woman.
Uhh, think Greta’s a Palin supporter?
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CT –
This is an existing show they may be polishing up and revising.
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Why? Obama has at least three times I know of made the very claim that to fix the economy we need to reform health care. Nice try.
I have been saying for quite sometime that Palin is our Obama. Thanks for agreeing with me Dr. Dog.
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Love her or haye her, you have to admit that Sarah makes things more interesting.
Kinda like Chekote.
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Stop that bullshit
No. You stop the bullshit that people don’t support her because of Trig. Nobody gives a shit that she had Trig. What bothers people is that she would DENY the same choice that she had about Trig to other women.
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Of the potential standard bearers, whom do you like?
Kasich.
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Kasich has to win in Ohio. Based on what I’ve seem recently, it appdears to be a toss up. Kasich will probably improve as things get worse.
In Ohio you have to watch out for voter fraud. Big ACORN state and a crooked Secretary of State. Cleveland, Akron, Canton, Toledo and Dayton are snake pits.
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Hmm, If Chekote likes Kasich, then its time I start attacking him.
I wonder if he’s ever had an affair? Checking………
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Kasich? Ho ho ho….not a chance. Kasich’s Heartland show on Fox was makes Huckleberry’s gig seem almost interesting. No toughness either. But he is one of the more feminine seeming R’s. Probably why you like him, eh, Chipotle?
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OK, strike the ‘was’.
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Chek,
Hmmm. Go back and read my observation. We maybe in concert but my remark rebuts your original comment.
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I agree on Kasich lacking charisma. I taped some Heartland shows and watch then whenever I can’t sleep. Politically I like him, but I don’t seem energizing a lot of people. He certainly isn’t dynamic. But, if the economy is bad enough ….
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From C4P:
Statement from Gov. Palin’s Legal Counsel on Defamatory Allegations
Long statement with this at the end of it:
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That was issued today in response to all of the immediate nastiness in reaction to her announcement of her resignation yesterday.
Ready to rumble it looks like to me.
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INC
That quote you posted takes my breath away. There doesn’t seem any end in sight to the abuse towards the Palins. Vicious, is the word that comes to mind, just vicious.
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Palin sure does hit a nerve with folks on the left!
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Jan, I saw that scandal mentioned yesterday. I’m glad she’s has an attorney who’s going to go after these people.
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AP (who can be pretty nasty himself) at Hot Air linked to The Brad Blog who had that nasty insinuation from Shannyn Moore.
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it is time for her to fight in a court of law AND public opinion! take ’em down Sarah!!
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Jan, you are right about the viciousness of the left.
However, in 3 short weeks, the Palin’s will be private citizens again. I wonder how the attacks will play then?
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Tony,
She’s going to go on offense!
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So many commentaries popping up about Palin today. It is testimony as to the enormous national impact her moves stir, in that everyone wants to give their opinion as to why she resigned from office yesterday.
Here is one from John Batchelor:
How Palin’s resignation makes her the true frontrunner
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Sarah Palin would not have been able to leave the State for ANY reason without the Left nipping at her heels until JANUARY 2011 when her replacement would have been sworn in.
By JANUARY 2011 the 2012 Presidential sweepstakes will have been in full swing for SIX MONTHS
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Tony
What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger can be applied to Palin and the effect her detractors may have on her.
If she survives she will only be a stronger force for the left and their MSM buddies to content with!
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You’re right Justrand. And that was one very big reason (a plus) for her leaving at this juncture.
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Jan, from just that quote I think Batchelor may not realize that Sarah cares enough about the country to realize the mid-terms are vital to the nation and put that ahead of whether or not they’re important to her. I’d guess he doesn’t understand her.
Justrand, you’re right. Those silly ethics suits were the death of a thousand cuts. She’s sees the game and she’s playing point.
Rush’s take on this should be interesting. I wonder if he’ll give a nod to her “strategery”.
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INC – Rush is on vacation next week. Rush and Mark Levin usually are on the same page, so his comments the other night probably reflect what Rush might think.
Can not wait for him to come back. As Rush says, it always seems to get interesting when he goes away.
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This is JM now 🙂
Just wanted to say WELCOME BACK, INC! We missed you! Hope all is well.
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Hey, Mary, thank you.
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INC, excellent point regarding the critical 2010 mid-term elections. Palin would have been TOTALLY sidelined for those…and is now free to help out!
God bless her, she will have the support of millions of Americans…including me! 🙂
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gnqanq, didn’t know that he’d be gone–I’ve heard him say that before! His guest hosts won’t have to worry about filling in the time!
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http://comments.americanthinker.com/read/42323/356682.html
Stellar Palin comments at American Thinker. Thanks to HHR for pointing it out.
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Thanks, Tony. They were good comments.
C4P has a 4th of July statement from Sarah. This is how she closes it:
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Leaders like Sarah Palin come along once a generation.
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INC
Thanks for sharing Palin’s Independence Day. It was well stated.
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You’re welcome. One last (probably) piece of news I found. I saw this on one website, but wasn’t sure it was authentic. Then a commenter at HHR linked to the Twitter of San Bernardino County Federation of Republican Women:
Sarah Palin will be the guest speaker at the Simi Valley RWF 50th Anniversary celebration on August 8.
I’ve read that it’s going to be held at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library and Museum.
Now how’s that for some interesting news???????
Stay ready for her opening salvo!!!!!!!
I remember Reagan’s 1984 slogan: “President Reagan Bringing America Back”. Well, I hope Sarah’s watchword for the next few years is “Sarah Palin: Leading the Charge to Take America Back”.
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I would love to go to that! I wonder if you have to get tickets? Hmmm…thanks again, INC, for an interesting “heads up.”
My husband and I have long talked about visiting RR”s Presidential Library. Maybe this would be the time to make a trip over there.
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Jan, more info here.
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Girl, where do you come up with all the answers! Once again, Thanks!
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Leaders like Sarah Palin come along once a generation.
You mean quitters like Sarah Palin.
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“By JANUARY 2011 the 2012 Presidential sweepstakes will have been in full swing for SIX MONTHS”
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Not to be picky but a JR are you suggesting the sweepstakes is begining in force in the summer of 2010? sure your not thinking summer of 2011?
You mean quitters like Sarah Palin.
Your getting so predictable that it’s not even amusing anymore.
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Hey, Jan, my husband says I have the gift of “finding”–whether it’s items, books, whatever.
🙂