Amnesty: Even More Generous than Previous Bills?
2009 August 23
According to Lou Dobbs, the proposed amnesty legbislation that Graham, McCain, a few other RINOs and the entire Democratic Party is working on far supercedes any previously proposed legislation. How will this impact ObamaCare?
From CNN news:
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What’s the difference how “generous” it is? Amnesty is amnesty. We will stop it any way we can. And if we can’t stop it, the US will become a 3rd world country. Whatever.
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The only real difference with the 2007 bill is that there are no back taxes for illegals, all the other dozen or so outrages in the bill were there last time as well.
This time, it will pass, unless we damn near set the country on fire.
As usual, Washington is not only ignoring the American people, but openly mocking them and robbing them of their nationhood with this bill.
I am starting to remember how angry and ready to fight to the finish I was in 2007.
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The message here is:
We are the political class, we will determine your future. We will take everything your forefathers fought and died for, everything that all the previous generations worked for, sacrificed for, and built, and we will hand it all over to a bunch of squalid Mexicans, partially because they don’t care if we lie cheat and steal, but mostly because they will work for less than you.
And there is not one damn thing you can do about it.
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If what Dobbs is saying there are several major differences:
1. While border security was a more important part of the old bill, it appears to be MIA in the new one
2. I don’t believe the Dream Act was in the last bill
3. I believe the new bill takes us much closer to the North American Union
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“We are the political class, we will determine your future.”
Ain’t that the truth?
If this country is to survive, we need to take control oif the GOP and wrestle it from the hands of the political class. We also need a President who is going to do what’s best for the nation, not the special interests. That ain’t Mitt Romney. To be honest, I can only think of one politician on the national scene that I truly trust.
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With chain immigration and ObamaCare, there will not be enough doctors or hospitals. Did anyone mention the possibility of death panels.
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While border security was a more important part of the old bill, it appears to be MIA in the new one
Border security was always a joke and there was never going to be any, the fence was just supposed to be for show. No real change, except maybe the authors are being more open about it.
I don’t believe the Dream Act was in the last bill
It wasn’t, but honestly, who cares if they pass it separately or not? No real difference.
The only change is in the politics. They wish to make it easier to paint the opponents as bigots opposing education for kids, as well as the more conventional form of bigot, opposed to “immigration” as Jeb calls it, that bloody liar.
I believe the new bill takes us much closer to the North American Union
Again, no real change, as the authors are trying to catch up to where they imagined we would be at this time, anyway.
Remember, Vicente Fox went on Larry King and said yes, full political and economic, even monetary, union will occur in time.
The NAU is real, and all the scoffers on the right are the biggest dupes of all, as usual.
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This is what you get for having 8 years of George Bush and his open borders policy.
All the while, unemployment rockets up. Last time they tried to tell us we needed these people because they would do jobs Americans would not.
Well now we have millions of unemployed Americans, and they are still trying it. Does anyone believe them?
No, but meanwhile look who they voted for.
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It was believed by some that unemployment would delay consideration of amnesty. Apparently, it won’t.
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I’m not saying I want them to be citizens(I don’t), but they are already in the country anyway and using our resources. How would it make us a third world country?
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-14. Ouch.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
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Brandon -
I believe the greatest problem is chain migration. In the history of our country, we have never had such a large group of immigrants that would become citizens at one time.
Think of the impace on social services for a country that will be $9 trillion in debt in 10 years. It’s not 1955 or even 1985. We are no longer in a position where we have the means to play Santa to the world.
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Brandon -
Only about 25% of those disapproving of Obama is “soft” (mild disapproval). 43$ of those approving are “soft.”
Maybe there should be a “death panel” on the Obama Presidency.
Think how much lower Obama’s ratings would be without non-stop media support.
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How would it make us a third world country?
They would vote socialist.
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The biggest problem will be chain immigrayion (new immigrants sponsoring parents, brothers, sisters, etc.).
If the number of illegals is 12 million (I believe it is much higher), and each sponsored two people, you would have 36 million, which is more than 10% of the population.
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BCL, you don’t think they are already voting? I bet at least 50-60% of them vote already.
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Brandon –
My client with the resort property in Stone Harbor will be “working” out of Stone Harbor for the next two weeks as he has no rentals. He said he’s never had a summer like yhis.
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Even nothing for Labor Day weekend? The shore is usually packed that weekend.
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Have you been in Stone Harbor this summer? You would be shocked by the number of properties with “for rent” signs. This place is beautiful: “upside down” house, about 2,500 sq. ft., sixth house from the ocean, in-ground pool in the back yard.
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BCL, you don’t think they are already voting? I bet at least 50-60% of them vote already.
That’s a good guess, maybe higher. Why increase it to 130% or more voting. You know they don’t just vote once.
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BCL, that’s right, especially when there are 10 people named Juan Gonzalez on the rolls in any one town, how can you enforce it?(well by tamper proof ID’s, but that’s not happening).
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First, this is a report from over a year ago. Saw this on FreeRepublic and if you watch the crawler on the bottom there is a AAA gas listing of $3.22 a gallon. When was gas last $3.22 a gallon?
As far as a 3rd world hellhole – scientists and environmentalists will tell you that this country can sustain about 250 million people. Presently we have 306 million and counting. Allow the illegals, add in another 50 million through chain migration. Last amnesty was suppose to be about 1.5 to 3 million, it ended up at close to 9 million. If you permit these 12 million, you will find out it is between 20 to 30 million. Then add in chain migration, add another 50 million plus. We will end up at over 350 million to 400 million in a country that probably can sustain 250 million.
If you doubt the 250 million number, look at the water problems in California, the American southwest and the drought conditions recently in the American southeast. I also saw reports about the plains drying out due to the irrigation and pumping of water since the 1930’s. Go back to the late 1800’s when they had water wars.
With these new citizens and limited resources a flash point will be coming.
Remember, in the last year more guns have been sold that could outfit the two largest armies in the world (China & India) and several billion bullets have been sold – just in America.
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I say bring it.
I agree with Dr Dog, the country will split.
Let’s get it over with.
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Won’t split if amnesty passes. See, that’s the socialist’s ace. With half or more of the southern states turning blue post amnesty, there won’t be any secession.
One country. One permanent ruling class. forever.
That’s how it turns into a third world country. I don’t know why this is even a question.
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If amnesty passes, FL, TX and CA will be permanently blue states.
There’s the Dem electoral lock, for a hundred years.
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“Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.”
Obama seems intent on pushing the edge of the envelope regarding what Americans deem “sufferable”. Were he doing so in a vacuum he just might get away with it. But there are forces in this world that wish us nothing but ill, and they will soon make their presence felt.
Adding external forces to a crumbling economy and a massive intrusion on Americans lives by an over-reaching Obama regime is like pouring gasoline on a pile of oily rags already sitting next to a furnace. How long before something throws off a spark??
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We just have to relax, keep agitating, and fight it when it comes. Either the people, 75% of whom oppose amnesty, 57% of whom oppose Obamacare and carbon caps, and by overwhelming majorities oppose bailouts, Federal ownership of business and printing cash, take this country back or they don’t.
The problem is, we morons just elected this guy and this congress. How can we argue we don’t deserve this?
Why do we keep voting for politicians that give us what we say we hate?
Because both parties are doing it. We have no-one to turn to. So, we are wondering what to do next, and trying to see if there is an alternative to conflict.
I wonder if there is an alternative. I think the people are feeling their way along this, trying to find one. If we end up concluding there is no alternative, eek.
I wish we’d hurry up and decide one way or the other, before I get much older.
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RWY, I disagree. We don’t know what the separation would look like.
Maybe it will be one large state with MILLIONS flocking there.
I prefer a civil disobedience model. Just ignore the feds.
They aren’t going to move against millions of people.
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Funny, JR, great minds think alike.. I suppose we are in our “prudence” phase….
tick tock America……
The political class is hoping that by the time we get to “alter or abolish”, it will be to late.
“If we can’t get them out, we’ll breed/immigrate them out” indeed.
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How long before something throws off a spark??
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It will be:
1. Dems FORCING through universal health care.
and/or
2. FORCING through massive amnesty.
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As far as a 3rd world hellhole – scientists and environmentalists will tell you that this country can sustain about 250 million people
I usually agree with you gngang but scientists and environmentalists have been lying about the sustainability of our lifestyle all my life….and I am 64. Read ‘Hard Green’ if you want to see just how much more we could do with the right policies.
If we throw the soicalists out life will be fine, if not it will be socialism that kills us…..not eco-caca.
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http://www.breitbart.tv/mexican-flag-wearing-la-raza-member-attacks-texas-town-hall-attendees/
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NumbersUSA. Go there, contribute, and participate.
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I prefer a civil disobedience model. Just ignore the feds.
They aren’t going to move against millions of people.
True, but they are not planning on needing to. They control the borders.
2 years ago on over on Poli I called for a hundred thousand volunteers to go to the border and patrol it.
That would be a direct threat to the feds, and they would surely order us to disperse. What would happen if we refused?
This is the kind of thing we need to try, imo. Push them into a corner and make them show themselves. It’s not like they have not already done so, but many remain too blind to see.