2009 August 25
by MFG


From Bloomberg

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  1. 2009 August 25 8:16 am
    phineas gage permalink

    Never mind, the state-run media wants you to worry about swine flu.

  2. 2009 August 25 8:18 am
    phineas gage permalink

    According to this, the marxist has set a new record.

    Since complete destruction is his goal, he must be proud.

  3. 2009 August 25 8:19 am
    Havok permalink

    No surprise there.
    Hope you all read Patriots( I knew I had seen it posted here before)
    I think Rawles is more of a prophet than a patriot.

  4. 2009 August 25 8:23 am
    Havok permalink

    Oh Yeah an I just painted this myself. Came out half decent.

  5. 2009 August 25 8:24 am
    Havok permalink

    bah image didn’t work.

  6. 2009 August 25 8:26 am
    Havok permalink

    Oh how about a Link to my picture.

  7. 2009 August 25 8:27 am
    bc3b permalink

    It’s Official: We’re in Sh!t City.

    But, we’re going to “spend our way out of it.”

    On Greta last night Steven Moore of the WSJ said that in 10 years interest on our debt will be the largest item in the national budget.

  8. 2009 August 25 8:38 am
    janzam permalink

    I’ve got a theory about the swine flu:

    I think it is a concocted virus, man-made in some laboratory, and promoted by the powers-that-be as propanganda to scare people into flocking to doctor’s offices, across the country, to be injected by a sub-standard vaccine.

    Dr. Len Horowitz commented on the Swine Flu, which a White House panel has warned could kill as many as 90, 000 Americans. He believes the greater danger stems from “toxic” vaccinations that will be foisted upon the public. For more, see his website Link

  9. 2009 August 25 8:41 am
    phineas gage permalink

    ‘On Greta last night Steven Moore of the WSJ said that in 10 years interest on our debt will be the largest item in the national budget.’

    Who’s going to buy those T-bills and carry our debt now?

    Could have the first failed auction soon. Then what?

  10. 2009 August 25 8:45 am
    phineas gage permalink

    ‘I think it is a concocted virus, man-made in some laboratory, and promoted by the powers-that-be as propanganda to scare people into flocking to doctor’s offices, across the country, to be injected by a sub-standard vaccine.’

    Jan, you can’t possibly be serious. This is surprising from you.
    It sounds like the feverdreams of some groups in this country that the HIV virus was concocted in a lab as a federal government plot.

    It’s all nonsense. Just as the HIV virus is clearly related to SIV and made the zoonotic leap to humans some decades ago, the H1N1 is a relative of the Spanish Flu strain that killed so many people back in 1915.

    As far as the vaccine is concerned, I don’t know. It does seem like they are rushing it, so that probably enhances the possibility of complications.

    I’m sure the administration is stirring up the hysteria to distract attention from their disastrous performance, but to believe that it is a nefarious plot is a bit much.

    BTW, I think 90,000 deaths is wildly inflated and off the mark.

  11. 2009 August 25 8:54 am
    janzam permalink


    Haven’t you noticed that everything in the Obama Administration is “rushed.”

    Pass the Stimulus or the country will fall off it’s financial axis!

    Pass the budget or the country will implode and turn into dust particles!

    Pass cap & trade or we will all be fried and dehydrated like human raisons!

    Pass the health bill or the insurance companies will gobble us up because of greed, serving us up as appetizers to their CEO’s.

    Take the swine flu vacine, perhaps under a Marshall Law order, or we will all infect each other and die!

    Shouldn’t any “thinking” person be just a little skeptical?

  12. 2009 August 25 9:01 am
    janzam permalink

    The government’s tyrannical approach in shoving this vaccine down our throats is very suspect.

    They did the same thing with the HPV vaccine, literally running ads and scaring parents that they should get their daughters vaccinated or they would be subject to having cancer later in their life.

    Now, there is evidence that the vaccine can actually cause cancer later in life, as well as, killing some kids from side effects after taking the vaccine.

    I simply do not trust “the government” anymore.

  13. 2009 August 25 9:03 am
    janzam permalink

    Could have the first failed auction soon. Then what? —> Phineas

    According to mp, on another thread, that is where a “double-dip” in the economy could easily come into play.

  14. 2009 August 25 9:10 am
    bc3b permalink

    “Who’s going to buy those T-bills and carry our debt now?”

    The joke going around is that Obama wants to give Alaska to the ChiComs as payment. He thinks that would solve a number of problems, but I am sure there are many (me included) who would be glad to take Sarah in.

  15. 2009 August 25 9:14 am
    phineas gage permalink

    Well, I know what you mean about everything being rushed, but from a purely biological/virological perspective, the virus is well characterized as part of the Spanish Flu family strain.

    Influenza viruses circulate constantly, and there are different strains. The Spanish Flu strain was dominant in the first half of the twentieth century before being replaced by variants of the Hong Kong Flu strain.

    Evolution has finely crafted viruses over eons. Cooking one up in a lab is not feasible at present, although biowarfare labs have modified viruses and bacteria and made them more virulent through recombinant DNA techniques (stitching in particular genes).

    However, Craig Venter’s group is about to create the first articial life form, so who knows what will happen in the future.

  16. 2009 August 25 9:17 am
    phineas gage permalink

    I do share your concerns about the vaccines, and government mandating their use.

    Gardisil was pushed way too aggressively as part of a leftist agenda. Those decisions are the prerogative of the parents and nobody else.

    Flu vaccine as well. Unless you are talking about a catastrophic communicable disease like a smallpox epidemic, the government has no business mandating vaccination or the administration of any drugs.

    I suspect it is a good preview of what Hellcare will be like.

  17. 2009 August 25 9:19 am
    janzam permalink

    Wasn’t the Craig Venter Institute also involved in anthrax production?

  18. 2009 August 25 9:21 am
    janzam permalink

    the government has no business mandating vaccination or the administration of any drugs. —> Phineas

    Exactly! Mandates and Government are developing too many linkages for my comfort zone.

  19. 2009 August 25 9:27 am
    justrand permalink

    obviously the $9 TRILLION deficit, and the projected double-digit unemployment through 2010 is no big deal!!

    I know this because the top news sites are focusing on:
    – boycott of Glenn Beck shows by advertisers
    – the genius of re-appointing Bernanke to the Fed (several MONTHS before such action was necessary)
    – the festering boil that the SIX year old CIA interrogation program represented…and the wonderfulness of Eric Holder finally addressing this “burning” issue!

    we Neanderthals are just focused on the wrong things!

  20. 2009 August 25 9:28 am
    MFG permalink

    I’m so tired of writing about bad news

    I wish we could get our government back from mentally ill people…

  21. 2009 August 25 9:29 am
    janzam permalink

    ….will modify post 17 to say anthrax vaccine studies. Somewhere I am linking his name to some “trials” conducted by his institute in this area. But, in googling his name, I find no such linkage.

  22. 2009 August 25 9:32 am
    bc3b permalink

    Maybe part of it is that it’s near the end of summer and maybe it’s because I’m in the Detroit area, but traffic has been extremely light. Last night I was driving home on a route I had not taken in about seven months around 6:15 last night. There were no traffic back-ups where I expected to see them. None at all.

  23. 2009 August 25 9:35 am
    phineas gage permalink

    Venter headed TIGR and was point man for the Human Genome Project. He championed the shotgun sequencing approach and was proven correct, greatly speeding up the sequencing of the human genome.

    This bit from Wiki might be what you are thinking of re. anthrax:

    ‘Following the 2001 anthrax attacks, TIGR partnered with the National Science Foundation and the FBI to sequence the strain of Bacillus anthracis used in those attacks. The results of this analysis were published in the journal Science in 2002[2]. The genetic evidence was later credited by the FBI with helping to pinpoint the precise sample of anthrax bacteria, from a lab in Fort Detrick, Maryland, that was the source of the attacks.’

    They have still not solved that case. The most likely suspect, Bruce Ivins, committed suicide, but it is still not clear what motive he would have had.

  24. 2009 August 25 9:50 am
    janzam permalink


    In sync with your “light traffic” observation…we took my car in for work this morning, extra early (7AM) to beat the usual dealorship lineup that is usually present. Today, however, there was only one other car lined up for service, other than my own. When my husband remarked on this, the service manager was silent, which was telling, all by itself. Business obviously is “off.”


    Thanks for your substantial response to by anthrax comment.

    I heard a caller, the other day, who alleged she was part of some anthrax studies by this institute, being injected with a vaccine multiple times, which then caused her to develop some kind of pulmonary fibrosis that threatened her life. She was, consequently, very leary of this new H1N1 flu hype, leading to a possible mandating that the public take the newly created vaccine to stem it’s supposed threat.

  25. 2009 August 25 9:54 am
    INC permalink

    There was an article in a British paper about a leaked letter to neurologists saying the swine flu vaccine could cause neurological complications.

  26. 2009 August 25 9:57 am
    INC permalink

    It wasn’t hard to find:

    Swine flu jab link to killer nerve disease: Leaked letter reveals concern of neurologists over 25 deaths in America

    It tells the neurologists that they must be alert for an increase in a brain disorder called Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS), which could be triggered by the vaccine.

    GBS attacks the lining of the nerves, causing paralysis and inability to breathe, and can be fatal.

    The letter, sent to about 600 neurologists on July 29, is the first sign that there is concern at the highest levels that the vaccine itself could cause serious complications….

    One senior neurologist said last night: ‘I would not have the swine
    flu jab because of the GBS risk.’

    They are relating it to concerns over the vaccine used for the swine flu under the Ford administration which killed 25 people.

    phineas, can you weigh in on this?


  27. 2009 August 25 10:01 am
    phineas gage permalink

    I know that GBS is a acute demyelinating peripheral neuropathy thought to be caused by an autoimmune reaction. Like all autoimmune disorders, the trigger remains mysterious.

    Vaccines of course work by prompting immune sensitization to antigen. If there is risk of this immune sensitization provoking a GBS reaction, as suggested by the article, I would be extremely wary of taking the vaccine or allowing my children to be given the vaccine.

    I know–let’s have the marxist take it first. Just like GWB took the anthrax vaccine.

  28. 2009 August 25 10:03 am
    INC permalink

    Thanks, phineas. I have some neurological problems–related to sleep and sensation. Nothing life threatening, but this kind of column really makes me think I should not have the vaccine.

  29. 2009 August 25 10:13 am
    mulletover permalink

    It will be a cold day in hell before I take this vaccine. I took the 1976 swine flu vaccine and had severe complications from it, spending a week in the hospital. I was young and strong, and managed to shake it off over time, but I am convinced the vaccine was faulty.

    I fear more people will be injured or die from this current untested vaccine than will be injured or die from the bug itself.

    I’ll take my chances with Purell.

  30. 2009 August 25 10:37 am
    mpthompson permalink

    From the information I’ve seen, the H1N1 virus is about as dangerous as the usual seasonal flu. This isn’t to say it will be dangerous for certain people in our society, but not much different than the dangers these people face each flu season. If anything, they are finding that people 64 and older are more protected because they have anti-bodies from related flu in the early 20th Century. Unless there is something I’m really missing here, the H1N1 won’t be much different that what we see each flu season.

    I haven’t heard anything about vaccines being mandated. Instead, I’ve heard the vaccine will be in short supply and will likely be rationed to those working in high risk occupations, first responders and those likely to be most vulnerable to severe flu symptoms. Is there new news that differs from this?

    More information on H1N1 virus at the CDC web site.

    If you aren’t concerned about the usual seasonal flu and don’t get vaccinated, I’m not certain that H1N1 sway your decision one way or another.

  31. 2009 August 25 10:44 am
    brucefdb permalink

    Yes, mpt is right. This is just more ‘State of Fear’ stuff. They want us to be afraid of this and the MSM will hype it endlessly (and cheering for bad news). Look for a ‘study’ linking it to global warming. Oh Gode, for the children we must pass Cap and Trade.

    Remember the Avian Flu that was supposed to wipe us out? Please.

  32. 2009 August 25 1:17 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    “It throws a wrench in health-care reforms,” Maya MacGuineas, president of the bipartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, said in an interview. “No matter the specific numbers, they’re a constant reminder that we’re in bad, bad shape.” — from the article

    What’s this ‘we’ the intelligentsia keeps throwing around. Those bills the Govt rung up are there’s not mine no more so than the bills from WalMart are mine. It’s not till I have to pay taxes I have to worry about it.

  33. 2009 August 25 1:27 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    From the information I’ve seen, the H1N1 virus is about as dangerous as the usual seasonal flu. This isn’t to say it will be dangerous for certain people in our society, but not much different than the dangers these people face each flu season. — MPT

    Sir, take this to the edge of the Twilight Zone. —

    * The H1N1 like so many flus offs the very young and the very old.
    * The government is going to spend billions to try and hold the line on this flu.
    * Another part of government is advocating end of life options for the unproductive.
    * Yet another part of government has a pamphlet out proposing the same end of life options to Vets.

    Connect the dots. What’s wrong with this picture? Sounds like the samething as the tobacco pay it both ways government waste to me.

    Were I a sadist thinking that end of life was the solution to the health care cost system; would I not attempt to develop an H1N1 that was airborne virulent? Then spread that thru all the air ducts in every nursing home in the US? Yes I know it is a sick thought but when Communists are in power you have to think that this is possible and defend against it.

  34. 2009 August 25 2:05 pm
    brucefdb permalink

    Doggie…it’s a pity we sometimes have those kinds of thoughts pass our minds these days.

  35. 2009 August 25 3:55 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Bruce, I know, the thought that I have the thought, bums me. 20yrs ago this kind of thinking would never have crossed my mind. Mostly because there was no need to, even under Clinton.

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