Open Thread – aka “Pithy Poetry Afterglow”

2009 August 14
by justrand

and just to whet your whistle, the A/P has THIS piece of crap headline up right now:

GOP backs away from end-of-life counseling

yup…they need to equate the desire of those faced with true end-of-life decisions with advice from the proposed DEATH COUNCILS embedded in the House Bill.

Like equating the Death Penalty for murderers with the murders COMMITTED by those murderers.  Oh wait…they’ve been doing THAT for years!!

Open thread…GO!

72 Responses leave one →
  1. 2009 August 14 6:56 pm
    JustMary permalink

    Eastasia has always been at war with Oceania!

  2. 2009 August 14 6:57 pm
    JustMary permalink

    Twist the truth

    Dumb it down

    rewrite history

  3. 2009 August 14 7:02 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    Wow, in the span of one month, Liberals are now for the death penalty.

    What’s next for them? Approving conceal and carry permits for death panel workers?

  4. 2009 August 14 7:09 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    I can’t…. blah…..

  5. 2009 August 14 7:16 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Well we need to keep the pressure up of course.

    But the Teas need to start prepping for the next move — making a list, checking it twice and preparing to go into an coordinated assault on anyone who signed on to HCR. Whether it passes or not. Fact if HCR is defeated it is even more critical to defeat the ones that signed on to it. Death by policy is the only way to kill the idea once and for all. Kill a bunch of careers and you will never hear it again.

  6. 2009 August 14 7:19 pm
    justrand permalink

    the Left has literally embraced DEATH as their path to power!

    bad enough when the government tells me what LIGHTS I must use in my house…now they want to dictate how long or WHETHER my personal “lights” stay on!

    The Menendez brothers are running HealthCare…what could go wrong?

  7. 2009 August 14 7:19 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    No, of course that is right. This is nowhere near over, I still think it will pass. After all did Obama not say he was willing to be a one-termer over this?

    This is a 12 round fight, and we are halfway round 3…..just gettin warmed up….

  8. 2009 August 14 7:21 pm
    justrand permalink

    drdog…I agree…it is TRULY the Cost of Freedom…and LIFE!

  9. 2009 August 14 7:22 pm
    justrand permalink

    rwy…rounds 4-10 may be fought from my family’s redoubt! aka: The Holler

  10. 2009 August 14 7:25 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    When did Obama say he would risk another 4 years?

  11. 2009 August 14 7:29 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Some of us are not so fortunate. We have only one home, and it is of dubious quality as a defensive position.

  12. 2009 August 14 7:31 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    “The president (said), ‘I’m not going to kick the can down the road.’ And he said that and I said, ‘Well, that’s something I’m kind of used to from southern Iowa, you know. I know about kicking the can down the road.’ And he said, ‘No, if it makes me a one-term president, I’m going to, we’re going to take it on because the country is in need of us taking this on.’ I respected that very much.”

  13. 2009 August 14 7:44 pm
    aureliusx permalink

    How about this gem, was riding the CNN front page for most of the day

    All about Britons saying how grateful they are to the NHS, and how they get solid free health care that doesn’t cost them anything.

    Slaves. Of course you’re grateful to your master, who has made it illegal or virtually impossible for you to get health care in any other way.

    That’s right, the NHS health care doesn’t cost you anything. All that health care rains down from the sky like manna from heaven. Never comes out of your pocketbook, nope.

    Oh and did you check into why you’re not having any kids? Oh yes, too expensive, not enough spare income.

    Okey dokey, two utterly unrelated concepts. Back to watching the telly. It’s very relaxing to have no choices in anything.

    We must support our kind and generous master, the goverment.


  14. 2009 August 14 7:45 pm
    mpthompson permalink

    No, if it makes me a one-term president, I’m going to, we’re going to take it on because the country is in need of us taking this on.

    Wonderful. If he can take a good chunk of the Democrats with him then double wonderful.

  15. 2009 August 14 7:55 pm
    brucefdb permalink

    Aurelius….yeah. Put yourself asleep and let massa tell you what to do and when to do it. It makes you love Tony Montana.

  16. 2009 August 14 7:56 pm
    mpthompson permalink

    Regarding NHS, the blog posting here is of interest.

    Recently the Investors Business Daily ran an editorial which included the following quote:

    People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn’t have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless.

    IBD was ridiculed for this because Stephen Hawking is a lifelong citizen and denizen of the U.K., and is still alive. However, there is much more to the story. I’ll quote below from the blog which explains pretty well how NHS would indeed have let Stephen Hawking waste away in a nursing home until he died.

    Interestingly, Michael White and John Gribbin have written a book about Stephen Hawking, which can be read online, or downloaded, here.

    On page 96 we are told of the disillusion Hawkings’ father had with the NHS:

    Since his diagnosis and early deterioration, Hawking’s symptoms had remained more or less constant, but in the latter half of the 1960s another rapid decline occurred. He had to take to using crutches rather than sticks in order to get around. At this point his father became disillusioned and impatient with the advice his son was receiving from the medical profession and decided to take over Stephen’s treatment. He carried out intensive research into ALS and prescribed a course of steroids and vitamins that Stephen continued to take until his father’s death in 1986.

    On page 235 comes the real story:

    After the tracheostomy, Stephen would need round-the-clock nursing. The best the National Health Service could offer was seven hours’ nursing help a week in the Hawkings’ home, plus two hours’ help with bathing. They would have to pay for private nursing. The advance from the book would not last long, and there was absolutely no certainty about its eventual success. To Jane there seemed little long-term hope. How were they to survive if he could never work again? There were few possibilities. She would willingly have left her own career and devoted herself full-time to looking after her husband, but she was not a qualified nurse, and in any case, who would then provide for the family? The alternative was the dreaded thought of Stephen in a nursing home, unable to work, slipping into gradual decline and eventual death. “There were days when I felt sometimes I could not go on because I didn’t know how to cope,” Jane has said of that period.

    It was obvious they would have to find financial support from somewhere. Jane wrote letter after letter to charitable organizations around the world and called upon the help of family friends in approaching institutions that might be interested in assisting them. Help arrived from an American foundation aware of Hawking’s work and international reputation, which agreed to pay £50,000 a year toward the costs of nursing. Shortly afterward several other charitable organizations on both sides of the Atlantic followed suit with smaller donations. Jane feels bitter about the whole affair. She resents the fact that, after paying a lifetime of contributions to the National Health Service, they were offered such meager help when the need arose. She is very aware that if her husband had been an unknown physics teacher he would now be living out his final days in a residential home. “Think of the waste of talent,” she has said of the situation.

    On page 310 we hear of Hawking’s efforts to raise money for others whose ailments are deemed too costly for NHS concern:

    [Hawking] also firmly believes that the technology now available to him through the money he has earned as an author should be made available to other seriously disabled people via the NHS and claims that reliance upon charity (and in his case good fortune) is “simply not good enough.” To help the plight of others who have been paralyzed either through accidents or diseases such as ALS, Hawking has spearheaded several campaigns to generate funds.

    That is what socialized f**king medicine is all about. When the chips are down, if you can’t fend for yourself, you’re dead. If you think the free market is the same thing, you’re wrong. You’re worse off with socialized medicine because it fails you after you’ve spent your entire healthy life “donating” to it. Socialism continuously drains the very resources individuals could use to provide for themselves.

  17. 2009 August 14 7:57 pm
    mpthompson permalink

    Damn, screwed up the italics tags so it’s a little harder to read. Perhaps JM can fix the tag in the third paragraph.

  18. 2009 August 14 8:12 pm
    brucefdb permalink

    No, it’s ok mpt. IBD defended themselves well in a subsequent response. NHS is just another killer of people the left deems expendable.

  19. 2009 August 14 8:14 pm
    aureliusx permalink

    Are cattle grateful for their food?

    You betcha.

    I wonder how a poll of cattle would turn out — in favor or not of the food delivery truck?

  20. 2009 August 14 8:15 pm
    aureliusx permalink

    I’ll be telling my grandkids of a time when men were free.

  21. 2009 August 14 8:19 pm
    JustMary permalink

    I’ll be telling my grandkids of a time when men were free.

    🙁 Yeah

  22. 2009 August 14 8:41 pm
    brucefdb permalink

    O/T but arent we well into Hurricane Season? I guess just the thought of reducing that dreaded CO2, not to mention the Messiah, is protecting us from horrible storms.

    Now I lay me down to sleep, I pray Obama, my weather to keep. If I should get old before I wake, I pray Obama my life to take.

  23. 2009 August 14 8:48 pm
    JustMary permalink

    That reminds me. MFG missed the benediction again. 👿

  24. 2009 August 14 8:50 pm
    durman permalink

    Greetings, fellow patriots!

    Very interesting article on Hawking above.

    Thanks, mp!

  25. 2009 August 14 8:59 pm
    JustMary permalink

    A blonde woman was speeding down the road in her little red sports car and was pulled over by a woman police officer who was also a blonde.

    The blonde cop asked to see the blonde driver’s license. She dug through her purse and was getting progressively more agitated.

    ‘What does it look like?’ she finally asked.

    The policewoman replied, ‘It’s square and it has your picture on it.’

    The driver finally found a square mirror in her purse, looked at it and handed it to the policewoman. ‘Here it is,’ she said.

    The blonde officer looked at the mirror, then handed it back saying, ‘OK, you can go. I didn’t realize you were a cop.’


  26. 2009 August 14 9:02 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    Yahoo, thanks for the article.

    That is a ‘read my lips’ type of quote.

  27. 2009 August 14 9:05 pm
    aureliusx permalink

    JM– LOL! And I have lots of smart blondes in my family.

  28. 2009 August 14 9:07 pm
    JustMary permalink

    I am blonde….and I am rofl!

  29. 2009 August 14 9:08 pm
    aureliusx permalink

    JR– tell us about the Holler. I am intrigued.

  30. 2009 August 14 9:09 pm
    JustMary permalink

    The Holler needs prayers, as it is under threat from fire right now. 🙁 Please pray for a hedge of protection all around the holler and other homes in the area.

  31. 2009 August 14 9:10 pm
    aureliusx permalink

    Like Yahoo, I have no defensive position. Basically glass house, one gun, one dog.

  32. 2009 August 14 9:10 pm
    aureliusx permalink

    prayers forthcoming– are you in Santa Cruz?

  33. 2009 August 14 9:16 pm
    JustMary permalink

  34. 2009 August 14 9:27 pm
    mpthompson permalink

    …the Messiah, is protecting us from horrible storms.

    I thought it was just that Rove had turned off his hurricane machine.

  35. 2009 August 14 9:27 pm
    aureliusx permalink

    “0% contained”– not good!

  36. 2009 August 14 9:42 pm
    CheshireCat permalink

    Where have all our freedoms gone?
    Long time passing
    Where have all our freedoms gone?
    Long time ago
    Where have all our freedoms gone?
    Obama is destroying them one by one
    When will America ever learn?
    When will America ever learn?

    Where have all the old folks gone?
    Long time passing
    Where have all the old folks gone?
    Long time ago
    Where have all the old folks gone?
    Gone to ObamaCare graveyards every one
    When will America ever learn?
    When will America ever learn?

    Where have all the ObamaCare hospitals gone?
    Long time passing
    Where have all the ObamaCare hospitals gone?
    Long time ago
    Where have all the ObamaCare hospitals gone?
    Covered with shutters every one
    When will America ever learn?
    When will America ever learn?

  37. 2009 August 14 9:44 pm
    mpthompson permalink

    Very sorry to hear about the fire. Prayers and wishes go out to your family and other folks in the community.

  38. 2009 August 14 10:12 pm
    justrand permalink

    The Yuba Fire appears 15% contained tonight…hopefully it will be snuffed out before it moves up the canyons. The Holler (aka “Galt’s Gulch”) will remain our redoubt…even if we need to rebuild it.


  39. 2009 August 14 10:19 pm
    justrand permalink

    this is the video from the TeaParty protest mpt couldn’t make in SF due to a death in the family. a LOT of people for a CONSERVATIVE protest in the Bay Area!!

  40. 2009 August 15 5:02 am
    bc3b permalink

    “Obama slams TV over health care ‘ruckus’.”

    Isn’t this the same TV that:
    – Created the Barack Obama myth
    – Protrects him 24/7
    – Works to destroy anyone or anything that gets in his way (e.g. Sarah Palin)
    – Constantly hypes him and his programs
    – Hides any negative news

  41. 2009 August 15 5:03 am
    bc3b permalink

    Is today the day John Edwards admits he is “daddy dearest?”

  42. 2009 August 15 5:25 am
    drdog09 permalink


    It is indeed. And thankfully it is becoming more irrelevant by the day. When a moose huntin’ woman from piddling little Alaska can send out two Facebook pages and it forces a change in major legislation…. Well it just goes to prove my point.

    Political futures will be won and lost in the ‘tubes’ not on the Tube. The town hall meetings show another side as well. Massed community organizing is getting a bad name. ACORN was severely beaten by a ‘tubes’ organized grass roots move by folks in PA this week. They packed the hall before ACORN had a chance then booed them back on the buses. Very quickly folks have learned it is not just enough to get your point across, you also have to be prepared to perform counter-insurgency moves against your opponent denying them the field.

    TV determined the Kennedy-Nixon debate. The Internet will take over that role in 2012.

  43. 2009 August 15 5:30 am
    phineas gage permalink

    LOL–HotAir held open registration last week and got themselves infected with a nasty case of acroso. He’s posting over there under the name ‘spathi’.

    Someone needs to tell them that penicillin is still the best treatment.

    And at what remains of PP, Fecal Cat is now back openly as part of the troll fest.

  44. 2009 August 15 6:08 am
    drdog09 permalink

    Get WCV to post over here and there would not be much of PP to even consider reading. You would have JokeLeaf moving fictitious stock portfolios around and PP worrying about his condo values like an episode of Monk.

  45. 2009 August 15 6:37 am
    bc3b permalink

    PG –

    I noticed the same thing at Hot Air. It’s amazing that you can read one or two comments and figure out who a poster is. The last thread I saw on Poli, 80% of the comments were either from acroso or left wing trolls. That site has truly gone to hell.

  46. 2009 August 15 6:48 am
    INC permalink

    MM has posted another video from the San Francisco Tea Party. This one looks like it was shot from the platform.

  47. 2009 August 15 6:52 am
    justrand permalink

    excellent video, INC. When that many people can gather in THAT city to protest their “savior” Obama…it IS news! Of course the media will either denigrate it or ignore it!

    and boy oh boy, to those people ever look SCARY!!!

  48. 2009 August 15 6:56 am
    INC permalink

    The contrast between the Tea Party and other San Francisco protests is kind of remarkable.

    It’s nice to see people proudly waving flags there rather than burning them!

  49. 2009 August 15 6:59 am
    INC permalink

    RedState had a video yesterday of Pelosi being interrupted by protestors in January of 2006 and telling them they were “very American”!

    I won’t put Nancy’s face here, but if anyone wants to view it this is the link.

  50. 2009 August 15 7:04 am
    drdog09 permalink

    Oh yes, how great. So lets see. Obama makes a deal with pharma to get $8bn a year in ‘script savings. They pledge $150m in advert support. And O thinks he’s winning while still strapped to a $1T deficit ball and chain.

    Pharma is worth ~$950B and have a 16.5% profit margin. I point this out to show how bad a poker player Obama is and not to rip the drug companies. (They need the higher margins due to the risk they take on.) Now here is the kicker. Take a look at this table — Note that drugs represent almost half of the capitalization of the healthcare sector. Then go look at this table of the other sectors — Pharma is the biggest chunk and they just got a very cheap ‘get out of jail free card’.

    The idiot (Obama) does not even know pharma just got ’21’ and he is busted in the healthcare blackjack table of life….

    Oh and those poor health insurance companies that O is demonizing? They really are poor. That insurance subsector only has a $34B market cap. Johnson & Johnson has done $15B in sales so far this year. Gee think there might be some politics going on here? Har, Har.

  51. 2009 August 15 7:07 am
    INC permalink

    Dr. D, PowerLine really has the line of the day in that first link you have:

    “This is beyond Astroturf; this is a veritable Jurassic Park of fake foliage.”

    The thing is how does pharma know Obama will follow through on negotiations?

  52. 2009 August 15 7:22 am
    drdog09 permalink


    Unless somebody was wearing a wire in the meetings, none at all.

    But lets say he does, because he’s a honorable guy (cough, cough). He’s just made a deal with the largest cost center in the healthcare economy that they only have to cough up ~10% of net earnings and he will leave them alone. To me that kind of deal would seem to take away bulk price discounting off the table as he just did it across the aboard rather than drug by drug which probably could have garnered more savings as a class.

    But having cut that deal where does he get all these vaunted savings from the other health sectors? My guess is he can’t and that is why the whole deal is a house of cards. His has only two avenues left — really clamp down on fraud and institute a health tax. Which of course it will be more of the latter than the former.

  53. 2009 August 15 7:26 am
    justrand permalink

    that was a GREAT line…and the article SHOULD be the subject of in-depth investigations by the media and the DOJ. I’m kidding, of course. As I point out on the Open Thread I just started, the media is focusing on Abu Gharib, and urging the DOJ to look into Dick Armey’s (R) connection to HealthCare.

  54. 2009 August 15 7:27 am
    drdog09 permalink

    Hey INC, throw this vid up here —

    The Dim cancelled their Town Hall so a REPUBLICAN from another district filled in. Now that is MY kind of Republican. Take it to ’em Kelley!!

  55. 2009 August 15 7:31 am
    justrand permalink

    drdog…he does a great job of calmly discussing the issues. Dems ducking and dodging…Republicans standing up.

    TeaParty in San Francisco??

    Voter outrage in deepest BLUE part of Brooklyn directed at their Democrat Congress Critter?

    Even John “Let’s Make a Deal” Murtha apparently is stiff-arming SanFran Nan!!


  56. 2009 August 15 7:33 am
    janzam permalink

    drd — the pharm’s deal is 80 not 8 bil over 10 years — forgot a zero! Good informative links on health care details this morning.

  57. 2009 August 15 7:53 am
    drdog09 permalink


    read it again. I said 8bn a year. yes, 80bn over 10 years. Somehow I think my math is right….

  58. 2009 August 15 7:59 am
    justrand permalink

    uh oh…an arithmetic food-fight has broken out! Calculators at the ready? Begin!

  59. 2009 August 15 8:09 am
    drdog09 permalink


    Its almost to the point if I don’ t run it through a spreadsheet it can get bad. Can’t remember the last time I used a calculator…. 🙂

  60. 2009 August 15 8:12 am
    drdog09 permalink

    Kent Conrad backing out of any public option on HC —

    They are on the run.

  61. 2009 August 15 8:13 am
    INC permalink

    Dr. Dog, I just saw your comment above. My husband’s on my computer right now doing clean up on it for me. I grabbed his notebook for a minute. Here’s the video:

  62. 2009 August 15 8:15 am
    justrand permalink

    keep them doggies moving BlogHide!! (my “claim to fame” is that I wrote the original “Rawhide” parody, “BlogHide”, a couple years back!)

  63. 2009 August 15 8:17 am
    INC permalink

    I used to have that poem somewhere. I think I saved it in a Word doc., but I don’t know if it’s still there!


  64. 2009 August 15 8:20 am
    justrand permalink

    I’ll see if I can find it….it must be on my computer somewhere 🙂

  65. 2009 August 15 8:24 am
    INC permalink

    If you find it you should post it in a thread by itself!

  66. 2009 August 15 8:42 am
    drdog09 permalink

    Thanks INC!

    Caption for this vid — Republicans, doing the representen’ that Democrats won’t do.

  67. 2009 August 15 8:45 am
    INC permalink

    That was an incredibly savvy thing to do!

  68. 2009 August 15 8:48 am
    JustMary permalink

    Drdog asked me to embed a video as a test, so I thought I would embed the video I tied to a news story last night at another site. You might as well laugh too!


    CLERMONT – Clermont police have interviewed one suspect who is admitting to putting up the dozens of posters pasted around the city depicting President Obama as the Joker character from the Batman film The Dark Knight, city officials confirmed.

    “Currently we are still conducting interviews of victims, witnesses, and other suspects who were placing the Obama Joker Poster throughout our city,”

    Thank goodness the streets of clermont are safe! 😆 This dude was scary! Posters? Runnnnn!

  69. 2009 August 15 8:53 am
    drdog09 permalink

    INC, if the Reps were smart, every time a Dim cancels an event a neighboring Republican ought to book it, same time and place. Excellent tactics.


    Thanks. Working a scheme for that Rasmussen Presidential graphic to show up in a comment automatically. (neat if we could get approval….)

  70. 2009 August 15 9:01 am
    justrand permalink

    JM…great video re. “scary things”.

    It IS amazing, that after 8 YEARS of Bush being depicted as every evil thing that EVER existed, we now have the POLICE investigating who made fun of our Dear Leader.

    Saying ANYTHING bad about Obama will be an official crime very soon.

    I LOVE Big Brother!!!

  71. 2009 August 15 9:24 am
    MFG permalink

    Hey, JM!

    Went to the Saints game last night with a friend, sorry I missed poetry, didn’t even know it was scheduled!

    Everyone bow your head, please:

    Our Obama
    Who art in Washington
    Hallowed be thy name
    Thy corruption come
    Thy fraud be done
    In Washington as it is in Illinois
    Give us this day our welfare check
    And forgive us our Christianity
    As we forgive those who have decency or ethics
    And lead us not into integrity
    But deliver us from honesty amen

  72. 2009 August 15 9:33 am
    justrand permalink

    splendid benediction, your Eminence. As always. As you can imagine, the “Death Panel” poetry was restrained and respectful…and always in good taste! 👿 or not

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