Sen. Gregg: We’re Going to Be a Banana Republic in 10 Years

2009 August 4
by bc3b

Suffering Succotash!!! This isn’t some right wing “nut job” like Darrell Issa, Jim DeMint or Sarah Palin. It’s coming from “moderate” Republican Senator Judd Gregg (NH), who was Barack Obama’s second choice for Secretary of Commerce (after Gov. Bill Richardson withdrew because of ethics problems). Judd Gregg is the type of Republican that Peggy Noonan and David Frum wouldn’t be ashamed to have a cocktail and share hors d’oeuvres with (provided they didn’t have to go outside the Beltway or west of the Hudson to do it). 

 The U.S. will resemble a “banana republic” in 10 years if its fiscal situation stays on the same track, Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) warned Tuesday.

Gregg, the ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee, asserted that programs like “cash for clunkers” would pile up to as much as 80 percent of the total U.S. economic output because of federal spending.

“We’re going to be like a banana republic in 10 years!” Gregg said during a panel discussion on CNBC. “Sure, Americans want the program. But if you stop and think about it, is it right to do for our children?”

Gregg complained that the Congress was “spending the money twice” to extend the rebate program for new, fuel-efficient cars by having taken the money out of Department of Energy loans allotted for automakers, but then obligating those funds to be replenished.”

On second thought – Banana Republic???? Gregg sounds like some kind of racist to me.

Full article.

Hat tip: The Hill

117 Responses leave one →
  1. 2009 August 4 3:48 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    We are already a Banana Republic. Now it’s just a matter of waiting for the music to stop….

  2. 2009 August 4 3:49 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Anyway, what this post shows is that obviously, Sarah Palin is unfit for any national office in this country.

  3. 2009 August 4 3:53 pm
    bc3b permalink

    “Anyway, what this post shows is that obviously, Sarah Palin is unfit for any national office in this country.”

    But could she run a banana republic?

  4. 2009 August 4 3:55 pm
    JustMary permalink

    I hear Sarah Palin shops at Banana Republic. 👿

  5. 2009 August 4 4:00 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Debunk of BC bunk?

    We ought to be able to make our case without lying….

  6. 2009 August 4 4:01 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Succotash, not suchatash, heh…

  7. 2009 August 4 4:03 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Aerial hunting liberals and RINOs in Banana Republic duds. Sounds like fun.

  8. 2009 August 4 4:09 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Sitting here watching Lou Dobbs in my Sen. Robert Byrd aotograph model white robe and pointy hood, I feel so ………….racist.

  9. 2009 August 4 4:14 pm
    mpthompson permalink

    We ought to be able to make our case without lying…

    True. Did anyone honestly expect the Kenyan BC to be real?

    In any case, I got some pretty good mileage out of it by dangling it in front of liberals. They got all huffy & puffy and wasted a lot of energy pooh-poohing it. Kinda like teasing a cat with a laser pointer. 🙂

  10. 2009 August 4 4:19 pm
    mpthompson permalink

    Aerial hunting liberals and RINOs in Banana Republic duds. Sounds like fun.

    Aren’t the Banana Republic duds the bait? If so, that doesn’t sound very sporting. Kinda like fishing with dynamite.

  11. 2009 August 4 4:20 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Hell I heard Sarah makes a mean banana daiquiri !

  12. 2009 August 4 4:22 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    BR in 10 years? Time for another poll! I bet we are there by 2012. Like I said in another post — the US has already received the fatal blow. The carcass just needs to bloat up and rise to the surface.

  13. 2009 August 4 4:31 pm
    brucefdb permalink

    Yahoo, did you see I got my ammo finally? 8 weeks from order date to shipping date. Thanks.

  14. 2009 August 4 4:36 pm
    bc3b permalink

    brucefdb –

    “Yahoo, did you see I got my ammo finally?”

    Just in time for “banana republic” aerial hunting.

  15. 2009 August 4 4:52 pm
    mpthompson permalink

    For those who believe fighting fire with fire, below are Saul Alinsky’s thirteen tactical rules for use against opponents superior in power and wealth. There is no reason those on the right can’t use the same tactics even though they are a bit ruthless. Now that the left is the “establishment” they should be particularly vulnerable to these tactics themselves. Of course, my favorite are RULE 5 because the left is such a target rich environment and RULE 6 as we all need a little fun in such dire times. Something the left has used very successfully against us is RULE 13. It’s damn time to turn the tables. We are so reduced that all we have left are ideas. The left is a target rich environment of personalities and egos.

    RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.)

    RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don’t address the “real” issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)

    RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)

    RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity’s very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)

    RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)

    RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones. (Radical activists, in this sense, are no different that any other human being. We all avoid “un-fun” activities, and but we revel at and enjoy the ones that work and bring results.)

    RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news. (Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.)

    RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)

    RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist. (Perception is reality. Large organizations always prepare a worst-case scenario, something that may be furthest from the activists’ minds. The upshot is that the organization will expend enormous time and energy, creating in its own collective mind the direst of conclusions. The possibilities can easily poison the mind and result in demoralization.)

    RULE 10: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog. (Unions used this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management’s wrath, often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to their side.)

    RULE 11: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem. (Old saw: If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. Activist organizations have an agenda, and their strategy is to hold a place at the table, to be given a forum to wield their power. So, they have to have a compromise solution.)

    RULE 12: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

  16. 2009 August 4 5:02 pm
    JustMary permalink

    I agree. We can and should use their own tactics against them, but we won’t, I fear. “Don’t stoop to their level” but that is all they understand.

  17. 2009 August 4 5:03 pm
    bc3b permalink

    In addition to feeling like a racist watching Lou Dobbs, I got to see not one, but two Billy Mays commercials.

  18. 2009 August 4 5:05 pm
    INC permalink

    mpt, thanks for the reminder. I think it’s important to remember those tactics.

    I’ve done at least two posts referencing Alinsky because I think he’s so important to understanding Obama & the Left.

    The first was back in April, An Extension of Power, and there are several links in the first update about Alinsky.

    Another was in May, Cutting the Gordian Knot of Ridicule, and dealt specifically with Rule 5 on ridicule.

  19. 2009 August 4 5:19 pm
    mpthompson permalink

    INC, I’ve been offline for quite a while so I’m just catching up on a lot of this. Sorry if it is largely a repeat.

    Sadly, in part of my research using Google, Alinsky’s tactics are prominently on featured at the NEA website under Recommended Reading: Saul Alinsky, The American Organizer.

    Some other things from that page to contemplate:

    “Tactics means doing what you can with what you have … tactics is the art of how to take and how to give.”

    He uses eyes, ears and nose for examples…

    “If you have a vast organization, parade it before the enemy, openly show your power.”

    “If your organization is small, do what Gideon did: conceal the members in the dark but raise a clamor that will make the listener believe that your organization numbers many more that it does.”

    “If your organization is too tiny even for noise, stink up the place.”

    For those fortunate enough to live in Red States with active Tea Party affiliates, make sure they get out and be seen. For those, such as myself in liberal deserts, we’ll have to conceal ourselves in the dark and give the impression our numbers are more than we have. Well for stinking up the place, I’ll leave that to RWY. I joke. I joke. 🙂

  20. 2009 August 4 5:22 pm
    INC permalink

    Hey, I’m glad to see the repeat.

    I didn’t know the NEA had Alinsky as recommended reading. That’s typical, but pretty brazen.

  21. 2009 August 4 5:29 pm
    aureliusx permalink

    In what way are we not a banana republic now?

    We are ruled by a “small, self-elected, wealthy, and corrupt clique”.

    That’s the definition. That’s also the reality.

    Sorry Sen. Gregg, you have failed to shock me. Try again.


  22. 2009 August 4 5:31 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    True. Did anyone honestly expect the Kenyan BC to be real?

    That which is not physically impossible, is possible.

    I lean toward birther status. Obama lies about everything, why not this as well? Nevertheless, everything should be fully vetted, and, if you’re afraid to “show your work”, that hurts your credibility.

    The capper on this BC was the fact that the Aussie dude’s BC was at the book/page number ref. on the “Obama” BC.

    And the first thing that struck me about it was how formal it looked for an African country. Presumably they would be less formal in their English usage. A commenter on Pat Dollard says she was born in Kenya and her BC looks just like that, but who knows if that’s true.

    Anyway, if we are being pranked by the left, that’s one thing. We can still lobby for the unsealing of Obama’s overall records. If it’s a fraud perped by the right, well, that really does hurt our credibility….

  23. 2009 August 4 5:38 pm
    INC permalink

    RWY, since Kenya was a British colony, they’d be as formal as can be in English usage for any official document–more so than us, I’d bet!

    Just sayin’

  24. 2009 August 4 5:41 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    perhaps “Less regal” would be more accurate to say than “less formal”…. And, they were in the process of gaining their independence…


    Anyhoo, I usually notice a more direct English style among the writings of the founding fathers, for example, than the Brits of the period. Still grammatically correct, but less flowery….

  25. 2009 August 4 5:44 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    To have a shot at being considered valid, the BC had to have valid verifiable references, and this one does not appear to.

    Another couple fakes like this one, and the birther movement will die out. So, all the non birthers should get busy photoshopping…..

  26. 2009 August 4 5:44 pm
    mpthompson permalink

    RWY, I think the best tactic to take regarding the BC is to lump it with all of the other sealed Obama documents and hit him hard regarding “transparency”. Why should Obama’s past be sealed? Why should the American public have to take it on “faith” that the records are as they were described by third parties? If there is nothing to hide, then why hide? Hit Obama not on whether there is indeed something he’s hiding (no one really knows), but the fact the records are sealed. Say all this often and say it loud.

    If the birthers concentrate on wild conspiracy theories they will be made to look like kooks. If they concentrate on “transparency” then they may eventually get some traction.

    Andrew Sullivan (blech!) actually raised some good issues regarding this the other day.

  27. 2009 August 4 5:47 pm
    INC permalink

    mpt, you have great counter-radical strategery!

  28. 2009 August 4 5:49 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    This is worth watching till the end. Thanks goes to somebody at HA.

  29. 2009 August 4 5:54 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    mpt, you are right. There is a reason why he’s hiding all that stuff, just as there was a reason Clinton did.

    Ol’ slick didn’t want anyone to know how many penicillin shots he got! 😀

  30. 2009 August 4 5:59 pm
    INC permalink

    Tony, thanks!

    BTW, I’ve changed my gravatar to an old painting of Molly Pitcher. I’ve been feeling a little bit more militant and stirred up lately!

  31. 2009 August 4 6:04 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    I could see some kid walking into the middle of Yahoo’s conversation.

    “Uncle Yahoo, why did Clinton need a penicillin shot? What are those for?”

  32. 2009 August 4 6:07 pm

    Demint = Batman? 😉

  33. 2009 August 4 6:08 pm
    janzam permalink

    mp —> If the birthers concentrate on wild conspiracy theories they will be made to look like kooks. If they concentrate on “transparency” then they may eventually get some traction.

    That comment makes a lot of sense.

    Also, think it was a good thing to post Alinsky’s tactical rules. In their own grassroots way, I think the tea parties are getting more vocal and actually applying some of these rules, probably without even realizing it!

  34. 2009 August 4 6:08 pm
    janzam permalink

    INC — you stirred up?

  35. 2009 August 4 6:11 pm
    bc3b permalink

    conservativetony –

    “I could see some kid walking into the middle of Yahoo’s conversation.

    “Uncle Yahoo, why did Clinton need a penicillin shot? What are those for?”

    Where’s Brandon???

  36. 2009 August 4 6:12 pm
    INC permalink

    Yes, I’ve been stirred up!

    (BTW, as for DeMint he’s the kind to make those hard choices and follow through on them!)

  37. 2009 August 4 6:13 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    Where’s Brandon???

    Oh, to be young and still be able to see the magic in the Republican party.

  38. 2009 August 4 6:19 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Nah, the mojo is dead. Half of them want the same things for us the Dems do….

  39. 2009 August 4 6:19 pm
    INC permalink

    Tapper has a couple of posts up on the way the Dems are trying to spin things at the moment.

    Reid Confident on Health Care, Despite, “Loud, Shrill” Interruptions at Town Hall Meetings

    White House: Town Hall Anger “Manufactured”

    “This notion of a grass-roots campaign is totally and completely phony,” Doggett said. “The Republican Party has coordinated this apparent outrage and stirred it up.”

    Well, the R Party had nothing to do with stirring me up!

    And if you haven’t seen this, you should check it out:

    DNC goes nuclear: Mobs of right-wing extremists are attacking our health-care town halls! Flashback: Obama tells cultists to “get in their faces”

  40. 2009 August 4 6:22 pm
    janzam permalink

    Another example of Obama’s transparency policy (not!)

    Obama administration withholds data on clunkers Yahoo News

  41. 2009 August 4 6:23 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    This is not surprising. If we could barely get Rs to listen to us on amnesty, how the heck do we expect Dems to listen.

    They are all “let them eat cake” types.

    The left is not afraid of confrontation. If we think that going to town meetings and holding signs at Tea Parties is going to change anything (not that there’s anything wrong with them, except that they are symbolic only) on the ground, we are in for disappointment…

    Something wicked this way comes, be mindful…

  42. 2009 August 4 6:23 pm
    INC permalink

    Another outrage is that Obama is going to award the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Mary Robinson!

  43. 2009 August 4 6:24 pm
    INC permalink

    Don’t forget recognizing Ahmadinejad!!!

  44. 2009 August 4 6:24 pm
    janzam permalink

    INC –

    Isn’t that what Obama did during the presidential campaign too, when things weren’t going well for him — telling people to get in “the opponents faces.” Is that the roots of Alinsky showing themselves?

  45. 2009 August 4 6:26 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    I mean look at Doggett, he is mocking his own voters…. openly bragging about voting to lash them to the state via socialist medicine.

    Revolution cometh. “Not gonna be good for business, not gonna be good for anyone”, but that’s what it’s coming down to. If we will not take a stand for our freedoms we WILL lose them.

    Me hopes me’s wrong…

  46. 2009 August 4 6:30 pm
    mpthompson permalink

    If we think that going to town meetings and holding signs at Tea Parties is going to change anything (not that there’s anything wrong with them, except that they are symbolic only) on the ground, we are in for disappointment…

    Well, just slow them down. They may have won a few battles (the election & stimulus) and still win a few more, but the war is not over yet. Not by a mile.

    As far as I can tell the town hall revolts are spontaneous. Is this everyone elses impression as well? If so, the Dems are whistling past the graveyard.

  47. 2009 August 4 6:31 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Doggett probably isn’t mocking his own voters. When the state redistricted it congressional districts, Doggett moved to a new district that is largely minority – about 66% Hispanic. It’s a very left-leaning district, which is why he wins by such large margins.

  48. 2009 August 4 6:34 pm
    INC permalink

    My take is they’re spontaneous. The T-shirts don’t match and neither do the signs!

    The mix of ages and different folks tells you the same. They are not Code Pink, old hippies or ACORN.

    The Dems are just projecting!

  49. 2009 August 4 6:41 pm
    mpthompson permalink

    The left is not afraid of confrontation.

    I’m not sure about that. Turnabout came quickly. The Dems are the establishment and they are now trying to defend territory rather than take it. They want things to settle down and are trying to defuse things before they get out of hand. As long as the agitators can look, sound and behave like everyday Americans who just happen to be upset by the BS in Washington (this is the truth isn’t it) the advantage is theirs. If they start looking or acting like kooks (or can be portrayed as such) they will lose the advantage. The MSM and the Dems will jump on ANY advantage they can get and they are desperate for an opening right now.

    The LAST thing the Dems want is to ram down health care, cap & trade and card check down the voters throats as that will be radioactive in 2010. If the Republicans can keep the squishes in line (not a safe bet) I think there is a real chance to turn the tables on the Dems as the economic ship continues to sink and does them in. None of the pending legislation will do anything to help the economy and The One seems to have lost his mojo that he can trick people into believing it will help.

  50. 2009 August 4 6:41 pm
    janzam permalink

    It’s hard to tell how effective the townhalls and the various tea party events really are until the people go out and actually “vote” their opinions.

    But, I find all the naysayers in the democratic party, Reid, Doggett and others, who are belittling the discontent being overtly shown to the health bill and the deficit producing policies of Obama, are trying to look like they are swatting at annoying flies rather than legitimate opposition to their bills.

    However, I believe such nonchalance may be the wrong tactic to use at this juncture in the debate, as it may only add to the momentum of what has been started.

  51. 2009 August 4 6:44 pm
    janzam permalink

    Reading the comments above, I think the dims are misjudging this situation – big time!

  52. 2009 August 4 6:45 pm
    bc3b permalink

    MLS = Most Likely Squishes: Snowe, Collins, Voitovich, Lugar, Alexander, Murkowski, Grassley, Martinez. Hutchison will probly not squish as she’s running for governor.

  53. 2009 August 4 6:49 pm
    INC permalink

    Jan, they are.

    RedState has a new post up:

    Where is your Townhall?

    It’s a calendar that they’re going to lock at the top. Only a few town halls up so far, but they’ll add more.

  54. 2009 August 4 6:49 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    INC – on Rush today, he talked to at least 3 different people from different Town Hall meetings that talked about how spontaneous they were. One person talked about how angry he was and he wanted to do something.

    People are getting organized. One caller mentioned how they are starting to use the net with social networking to reach out to others of like minds.

    At our Tea Party saturday, I can not say for sure how they got the word out. I followed one website for Ohio Tea Parties. Originally they were suppose to have one on July 4, but suspended it due to the holiday. They set it up for August 1. All by the net and some word of mouth.

    The guy who setup the Cincinnatti Tea Party got 5,000 people back on April 15. His was by word of mouth and he thought they might get 250 people.

    I think we could have done better, but the State Fair is running.

  55. 2009 August 4 6:51 pm
    janzam permalink

    Something I heard yesterday about the C4C program. It is speculated that this program could very well turn out like the subprime mortgages did for the housing market.

    Six months from now you could have a whole slew of repossessions, dealing with people who couldn’t “afford” to buy the car, in the first place, except for the govt. free money put up for their clunker. After a while they will not be able to make their car payements, and then…bye,bye.

  56. 2009 August 4 6:52 pm
    INC permalink

    I remember reading about the Cinc OH guy.

    National Tea Party on 9/12.

    Over 14,000 registered as of last week.

  57. 2009 August 4 6:53 pm
    janzam permalink

    INC — thanks for the redstate link!

  58. 2009 August 4 6:53 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Great. Another mass shooting, see Drudge. Idiots are going to keep popping off like this until Dems ban guns, then the whole country will be a shooting spree.

  59. 2009 August 4 6:58 pm
    janzam permalink

    I think there is a real surge of protest going on out there in all the states. The govt, though, is blindsighted by its own power. Now that it has control over the congress and the WH, what could possible go wrong?

    “Oh, its the pesky public who is trying to put a monkey wrench into our ambitions!”

    However, I believe the dims are overlooking the people’s will, and instead just saying, “Full steam ahead while we have the reins of power!”

  60. 2009 August 4 6:59 pm
    JustMary permalink

    Right, RWY…..because guns kill people. Using that same logic, pencils cause spelling errors.

  61. 2009 August 4 7:00 pm
    INC permalink

    Jan, any time.

    This is another thing I never thought I’d see–from Hot Air:

    Great news: Russian attack subs spotted off east coast of U.S.

  62. 2009 August 4 7:01 pm
    JustMary permalink

    “Oh, its the pesky public who is trying to put a monkey wrench into our ambitions!”

    For this and other reasons, we need term limits!

  63. 2009 August 4 7:01 pm
    janzam permalink

    rwy —-> people are more behind the 2md amendment than ever….

    ZOGBY POLL: “An overwhelming majority of Americans (83 percent) support concealed-carry laws, while only 11 percent oppose them. A majority of Independent voters (86 percent), Democrats (80 percent), young voters age 18-29 (83 percent), Hispanic voters (80 percent), and those who voted for President Obama (80 percent) support the right to carry a firearm.”

    H/T Instapundit

  64. 2009 August 4 7:02 pm
    janzam permalink


    The Russian subs article just took my breath away when I saw it earlier! What next…..????

  65. 2009 August 4 7:05 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Yeah, but this gives them a little more oxygen…

  66. 2009 August 4 7:06 pm
    janzam permalink


    Clinton bringing Ling and Lee home.

    Clinton, journalists en route to U.S. Politico

    I’m happy for them and their families. But, wonder what the US had to give up in return?

  67. 2009 August 4 7:07 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    Jan – I would not worry about Russian attack subs. There navy is not as good as it once was and even then we knew where they were.

  68. 2009 August 4 7:09 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Folks, you don’t like the way Congress acts? Then you have to do something about it. There are 2 ways to do it — Elections or Amendments. I personally believe in the latter as I want it permanent.

    The Congressional Modification Amendment

    1) No member of Congress shall vote for a bill that he has not personally read. Said member shall affirm by written oath of having done so. Failure in this regard is automatic expulsion.

    2) No Bill maybe deliberated on nor amendments attached thereto that have have not had a 30 day public review period. The clock starts at the time of publication. Bill reconciliation may only consider the components of the Bill under review. Provisions in (1) shall apply in all cases.

    3) Omnibus bills are hereby banned.

    4) Congress is prohibited from exempting itself from any Bill that is passed and signed into Law. This provision is retroactive.

    You have to modify behavior by modifying the environment that the 535 idiots on the Hill operate under.

  69. 2009 August 4 7:12 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    What?? Russian subs. You didn’t think this only started happening did you? Russians have had subs on station along the Atlantic east coast for decades. Just as we have them floating around off the coast of Norway.

  70. 2009 August 4 7:12 pm
    mpthompson permalink

    I’m happy for them and their families. But, wonder what the US had to give up in return?

    Mixed feelings. It certainly encourages the capture and hostage taking of American citizens to get concessions. However, it did get Clinton out of the country for a while so it can’t be all bad. He certainly didn’t look happy for the photo ops. Rather than wondering what the US gave up for the hostages, I’m wondering what Gore gave up to get Clinton there.

  71. 2009 August 4 7:17 pm
    drdog09 permalink


    Clinton was a sourpuss because there was no desk with a knee hole to use.

  72. 2009 August 4 7:26 pm
    janzam permalink

    You know mp I noticed that too, about how glum the normally radiant, upbeat Bill Clinton looked, when he was on camera and in the national eye.

    I told my husband that he looked like he was getting an enema standing next to Kim jong Il!

  73. 2009 August 4 7:29 pm
    janzam permalink

    One bit of optimistic news:

    Public unhappiness with the Democrats’ legislative agenda–government health care, tax and trade, cash for clunkers and various bailouts–is increasingly being reflected in the generic Congressional preference numbers. Today Scott Rasmussen finds support for Republican Congressional candidates at its “highest level in recent years.” Republican candidates enjoy a five-point lead over the Democrats, 43-38 percent. That represents a stunning turnaround from Election Day 2008, when the Democrats had a six-point lead in the Congressional preference poll.

    H/T Power line

  74. 2009 August 4 7:29 pm
    bc3b permalink

    With Obama as President, I almost look back on Clinton as the good old days.

  75. 2009 August 4 7:30 pm
    bc3b permalink

    That’s good news Janzam. You’ve been on fire lately.

  76. 2009 August 4 7:31 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Clinton was bad even with the R congress. He and his wife wanted all this stuff that we are getting with Obama now….

  77. 2009 August 4 7:42 pm
    janzam permalink


    I’ve been talking to my husband and saying we are in crucial times, and everyone should be speaking their mind now, rather than just being one of the safe “silent minority.”

    So, I guess I have been more ‘fired up’ lately — similar, maybe, to INC — I also find the teaparties and the grassroots activism very encouraging and making me want to be part of the solution.

    Thanks! 🙂

  78. 2009 August 4 8:17 pm
    mpthompson permalink

    I told my husband that he looked like he was getting an enema standing next to Kim jong Il!

    Heh, even Clinton has his standards. Their pretty low, but he still has them.

    Also, remember that Kim Jong pulled a fast one on ol’ slick with the nukes. I do wonder how Gore got Clinton to go there.

  79. 2009 August 4 8:18 pm
    INC permalink

    MM takes on the DNC:

    This is what mob rule looks like

  80. 2009 August 4 8:20 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    Also, remember that Kim Jong pulled a fast one on ol’ slick with the nukes. I do wonder how Gore got Clinton to go there.

    Slick Willie gets a long plane ride back with two young women and his wife no where in sight.

  81. 2009 August 4 8:24 pm
    janzam permalink

    Found this very interesting post over at Power line. While we’ve been posting youTube clips of townhall meetings, this is a written account.

    For me, anyway, it really conveyed the tension and flavor of how the meeting played out, including some summation points by the guy writing it. A very good read!

    There were four interesting things about the meeting. One, there is obvious interest and hostility stirred up by the plan. The old folks are mad. This isn’t going away. Two, Murphy felt the need to go rather quickly to mention his military service, which brought applause from the crowd. But you know what they say about patriotism and scoundrels.

    Three, perhaps most interesting, Murphy never mentioned Obama by name and barely referred to the president at all. Clearly, he knows the big O man is not popular and is trying to sell the plan while not embracing the man. Four, the popular thing would have been to say “this bill is unacceptable as is and I will work hard to change it,” but that’s not what he said. He is indeed trying to sell the plan.

    That tells me that Nancy et al. have been twisting arms hard. It doesn’t mean they will succeed – I’m sure Murphy cares deeply about being re-elected, and the afternoon’s meeting could not have made him feel good about his prospects if he continues on this path – but it shows more pressure on the “Blue Dogs” is very necessary.

    The above exerpt was the writer’s conclusions, but the rest of it is the tenor of the whole event.

    Report from Morrisville Link

  82. 2009 August 4 8:28 pm
    janzam permalink

    MM takes on the DNC

    Whew! These hostile public erruptions make the teaparty gatherings look like a “tea party,” by comparison!

  83. 2009 August 4 8:29 pm
    BCL permalink

    On Hannity’s show tonight he said algore may have had something to do with those women in Korea. He has some kind of news organization doesn’t he?

  84. 2009 August 4 8:31 pm
    janzam permalink

    gnqanq — Kim Jong pulled a fast one on ol’ slick with the nukes

    That’s probably why he looks at Bill with so much affection and “trust.”

  85. 2009 August 4 8:31 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    Jan – my wife heard on Morning Joe that Joe thought and believes that “zero” is done. That he is toast in 2012. The reason is that he has lost middle america due to health care and coming taxes. The rest of the panel disagreed with Joe, but what did you expect from the kool aid drinkers. He said from the people (average americans) that elected him to congress that he knows, they are pissed and done.

  86. 2009 August 4 8:33 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    BCL – yes, one of the women was on a news mission for his outfit.

  87. 2009 August 4 8:33 pm
    janzam permalink

    Gore has a news show, Currents(?), based in SF, in which these women are employed. In fact, they were over in N. Korea doing a piece for this show.

    People initially thought ol’ Al would be making the trip north. But, I guess he asked his “bud,” Bill, to go instead.

  88. 2009 August 4 8:35 pm
    janzam permalink

    gnqanq — that is music to my ears.

    If he continues the way he is, I think Morning Joe may be on to something!

  89. 2009 August 4 8:41 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    Jan – if you see the videos with the people angry, you will notice that there are alot of seniors there. A group that Democrats have traditional scared with the GOP is going to cut Social Security and Medicare. Yet it is the Democrats threatening to do it.

    IF a few points move Republican, then the Democrats lose. Elections are won or lost by just a few points. Look no further than what is happening with Rasmussen.

  90. 2009 August 4 8:41 pm
    JustMary permalink

    I hope he is on to something…..

  91. 2009 August 4 8:44 pm

    “They are all “let them eat cake” types. ”

    Those tend to be in the end met with let them eat bullets types. 😉

  92. 2009 August 4 8:44 pm
    INC permalink

    Jan, that was a great summary at Power Line. I really enjoyed reading it.

  93. 2009 August 4 8:44 pm
    brucefdb permalink

    Here is the bad news, they can ram it all down our throats and they will. Did you watch the MSM today, where the sheep get their news? We are a mob and the economy is ducky and Obama is finally overcoming the horrors of what 200 years of Capitalist excess has wrought on our society.

    I have an old pal that lives in Thailand, he gets great medical care there and other things that I dont approve of. This is the destination of choice for most Euros that can afford good health care. Hopefully it will still be available in 2013, but how many can afford that option? Probably Sean Penn can.

  94. 2009 August 4 8:48 pm
    brucefdb permalink

    KnightHawk….off with their heads! Oops, I guess Islam beat me to that.

    But when you think of it an out and out War with Islam might just save this country, just like WWII did. Have you ever thought where we would be without WWII. FDR was not much different than Hussein Obama the Hector.

  95. 2009 August 4 8:49 pm
    mpthompson permalink

    They are on the run folks. In the brief video below, listen for the question about how are groups of conservatives are any different than groups of liberals at town hall meetings. I can’t believe a member of the White House press corp had the gumption to ask the question. Lovely. When you see a person squirming on such a basic question you know they are on the run.

    Robert Gibbs Blames Protests And Anger

    As I said above, the Democrats are the establishment and are on the defensive.

  96. 2009 August 4 8:50 pm
    janzam permalink

    INC – Thanks, so did I. The write-up gave a good feel for what was going on, and I think the writer offered some salient points at the end too!

  97. 2009 August 4 8:52 pm
    janzam permalink

    …also, like gnqanq is saying, so many of these meetings are now attended by seniors — a very stable population who have a great voting record.

    If they cross over to the republicans, well, the dims are just going to eat it!

  98. 2009 August 4 8:53 pm
    BCL permalink

    In the brief video below, listen for the question about how are groups of conservatives are any different than groups of liberals at town hall meetings.

    One thing I noticed is at a liberal protest they all have professionally manufactured signs. Our side has homemade signs.

  99. 2009 August 4 8:56 pm
    janzam permalink

    BCL — liberals can’t think for themselves enough to make their own signs!

  100. 2009 August 4 8:58 pm
    janzam permalink

    Liberals are used to having everything passed out to them, including signs!

  101. 2009 August 4 8:59 pm
    BCL permalink

    That’s true Jan.

  102. 2009 August 4 9:00 pm
    gnqanq permalink


    Because the homemade signs are cheap, don’t you know that us conservatives are so cheap.

    But they are creative, I will say that.

    One from Saturday.

    “We Hit Barack Bottom.”

  103. 2009 August 4 9:02 pm
    JustMary permalink

    liberals can’t think for themselves enough to make their own signs!

    Communities don’t organize themselves, yanno. 😉 They need the Obamas of the world to put them there and for the reasons they are told……there is no room for alternative thought, so they must carry the exact same signs.

    At the tea parties I have attended and seen, people are there for all kinds of reasons, from both sides of the aisle, and that is why no one sign fits all. No one is telling them a specific reason to attend, they just know it is the right thing to do. They are writing on signs what they feel in their hearts……which is why they are all different.

  104. 2009 August 4 9:04 pm
    JustMary permalink

    “We Hit Barack Bottom.”


  105. 2009 August 4 9:11 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    JustMary – just like you said, people from various backgrounds that have issues that really upset them. Taxes, spending, immigration, health care, corruption, etc.

    For those who have not gone – go. The interaction, the spirit, the signs (ingenius some of them), the feeling of good will amongst the participants.

    I don’t see the anger (hatred) that the left has, but more a dislike of what is happening to the country and what is to be left for our children, grand children and future generations. I was raised like most – to leave where I have been better than what I found it. I am angry that future generations may not have the opportunities or as good as life as I have due to the idiots in D.C. and Wall Street.

  106. 2009 August 4 9:14 pm
    mpthompson permalink

    I forgot about immigration. I thought I read a month ago that The One want to wrap up a comprehensive immigration bill by this December. I have a feeling the political winds are changing mighty fast.

  107. 2009 August 4 9:17 pm
    JustMary permalink

    He’s going to have to move fast on some kind of immigration “reform” because he will need to replenish his base!

  108. 2009 August 4 9:20 pm
    BCL permalink

    I don’t see the anger (hatred) that the left has, but more a dislike of what is happening to the country and what is to be left for our children, grand children and future generations.

    That’s because we have everything to lose and we love this country.

    Leftist hate this country and want her destroyed.

  109. 2009 August 4 10:00 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    I just have to pose the question. If we become a banana republic wouldn’t the immigration issue take care of itself? I mean why spend the time and effort to move out of Mexico only to end up in another s!$# hole?

  110. 2009 August 4 10:23 pm

    You Gringos should probably all sneak across your southern border sometime during the next few years where we will not be a Banana Republic for at least 15 more years, maybe even 25 more years. Just remember to aprenda el Espanol!

  111. 2009 August 5 12:48 am
    mpthompson permalink

    Hey, VinyFox is at BJG! I feared he went down with the ship at PP like Acroso and rest of the scallywags there.

    How are you doing Viny? Seen Bush lately? Sorry that the bill signing in the WH rose garden never took place. Unfortunately us unwashed, meddlesome voters have a way of throwing monkey wrenches into the best layed plans of our superiors.

  112. 2009 August 5 6:26 am
    chekote permalink

    Hell I heard Sarah makes a mean banana daiquiri !

    And she looks great in a cocktail waitress outfit!

  113. 2009 August 5 6:28 am
    chekote permalink

    I got to see not one, but two Billy Mays commercials.

    The guy is dead yet they are still showing his commercials. I don’t think it is right.

  114. 2009 August 5 6:37 am
    chekote permalink

    I have a lot of respect for Judd Gregg. When he saw what Obama intended to do, he withdrew his nomination. Proof that FiCons have principles too. I have no respect for that clown of LaHood.

  115. 2009 August 5 6:53 am
    drdog09 permalink

    And she looks great in a cocktail waitress outfit! — Chek

    Hey she probably does. Va-Va-Voom.

  116. 2009 August 5 6:56 am
    drdog09 permalink

    The guy is dead yet they are still showing his commercials. I don’t think it is right. — Chek

    Give tech some time and they will have a CGI version of Mays on the Telly. I didn’t buy any of his stuff but its been said having that guy as your pitcher doubled sales. Dead he is better than the sham-wow dude who tends to give me the creeps.

  117. 2009 August 5 8:33 am
    phineas gage permalink

    My all time favorite was the late Mike Levey, a.k.a. The Sweater Guy, who hosted the infomercial series Amazing Discoveries in the mid-to-late 80’s. His goofy swinging arms and trademark phrase ‘Wow, that’s amazing!!’ are quite memorable.

    Even more amusing are some spoofs that MadTV did in 1995 with David Herman in the Mike Levey role. Here is one of my favorites

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