Senate Finance Committee Drops “End of Life” Provisions

2009 August 13
by bc3b

According to The Hill, the Senate Finance Committee is dropping the “End of Life ” provision from ObamaCare.

The Senate Finance Committee will drop a controversial provision on consultations for end-of-life care from its proposed healthcare bill, its top Republican member said Thursday.

The committee, which has worked on putting together a bipartisan healthcare reform bill, will drop the controversial provision after it was derided by conservatives as “death panels” to encourage euthanasia.

Here’s the full article.

Obviously Sarah Palin’s “over-the-top” rhetoric had absolutely no impact. We’re all aware that Ms. Palin is irrelevant. The term “death panel” was on everyone’s lips and as soon as Sarah Palin wrote about it on Facebook, the conversation stopped. This also once again illustrates that Sarah Palin is not qualified for any national office.

Hat tip: The Hill.

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Think we’re gonna take Obama down? You betcha.

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  1. 2009 August 13 1:49 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    Think the Obama “braintrust” might be having second thoughts about running Sarah Palin out of office? It’s amazing the havoc one petite housewife can create without leaving her kitchen between making mooseburgers for the kids lunch and fixing caribou stew for dinner.

  2. 2009 August 13 1:56 pm
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    INC permalink

    This is a beginning, but it doesn’t mean at all they’d be gone from the final bill.

    She posted a second Facebook comment today:

    Concerning the “Death Panels”

    She even uses footnotes! Wow! Who knew she could?

    Yesterday President Obama responded to my statement that Democratic health care proposals would lead to rationed care; that the sick, the elderly, and the disabled would suffer the most under such rationing; and that under such a system these “unproductive” members of society could face the prospect of government bureaucrats determining whether they deserve health care.

    She took him head on. She is inside his OODA loop.

    I first read that analogy during the campaign. IMHO, Sarah Palin has been inside his OODA loop for about a year now.

  3. 2009 August 13 2:03 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    BC,

    Consider what would happen to the Dims if she decided to have a half a side of moose on the barbie. Apoplexy.

  4. 2009 August 13 2:04 pm
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    INC permalink

    C4P has this from Tammy Bruce who is clearly under the mistaken idea that Sarah Palin is fit for national office/s:

    (my emphasis)

    Palin, apparently an irrelevant quitter yet strangely powerful typer, forces the Senate to do the right thing with two Facebook posts. This is called leadership and will prevail regardless of the medium. It also speaks to the impact and import of Palin’s positions despite the establishments, both political and media, insistence (aka strange, misplaced hope) that she’s irrelevant.

    Palin responded again last night on Facebook to attacks on her exposure of the Death Panels as part of Obama’s DeathCare agenda. This time she did it with a hard slap at the Obama admin and viola, after being derided as “nuts” and out-of-touch, Grassley of the Senate Finance Committee made this statement today:

    Finance Committee drops end-of-life provision…

    Thank God Sarah Palin has a laptop and is inclined to type, type, type, send! Without that, Grassley makes it clear the political class (R & D alike) would have codified the idea that seniors should die as soon as possible. You know, to help the budget.

    Run, baby, run!

  5. 2009 August 13 2:16 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    Two observations:

    1) It would be very entertaining if Palin showed up in front of the mic to either McCakill’s or Boxer’s townhalls. The revolution would probably start right there.

    2) As far as the HC bill itself, if the govt wanted to get out of the hole they are in vis a vis HC then why don’t they just get out of the business? That simple expedient would eliminate the issue permanently and free up the budget. Now the consequences would be devastating to seniors. But I have to say at the rate it’s going I don’t think the HC bill will be any kinder to them in the long run anyway.

  6. 2009 August 13 2:17 pm
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    judyt2009 permalink

    Yeah Sarah!!!!! Let’s pull the plug on the rest of this bill.

    Any health care reform without medical malpractice tort reform is the equivalent to serving a hamburger that consists of the bun but no meat. Of course the trial lawyers would never stand still for a reduction in the the need or cost of malpractice insurance.

  7. 2009 August 13 2:20 pm
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    INC permalink

    Hey, Judy, good to see you again!

  8. 2009 August 13 2:20 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    Judy,

    I don’t understand why the trial lawyers are going along with sec 1233 to begin with. The section tends to permit doctors to practice limited law on things like living wills, DNR orders, etc. Very odd.

  9. 2009 August 13 2:23 pm
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    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Let this be a lesson to all:

    Frum, Allah, (who strangely forgot his slaps at her during the initial dustup over “death panels”) and other GOP CAPITULATIONISTS need to observe that CONSERVATISM WINS EVERY TIME ITS TRIED.

    You morons who are constantly trying to suffocate the only political philosophy that will save this country need to STFU.

    Chekote
    Sullivan
    Isaksson
    Cornyn/Hutchison
    Arnold
    Frum
    that ….scavage dood that is Frum’s buttbuddy.

    Sit down and stfu, you cowards. We would never have gotten this far if we had listened to you.

  10. 2009 August 13 2:24 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    The great thing is that she scares RINOs as much as democrats.

    Everyone else in the GOP has been pretty quiet unless questioned. Why did that dumb Caribou Barbie start talking about death panels?

    I can’t wait for 2010 (assuming we still have a country by then).

  11. 2009 August 13 2:31 pm
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    judyt2009 permalink

    Thanks Inc.

    Good point drdog09… but you see I expect that the lawyers would demand that a lawyer be present when a doctor has the discussion with the patient.

    The concept of end of life counseling just sickens me. I have experienced first hand family members with long term terminal illnesses as well as the pain of suicide. This is a slippery slope that we should never step upon. Once a person is counseled that their cost of medical care is too great to be continued and they should forgo further treatment, what is next?

  12. 2009 August 13 2:31 pm
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    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Now, they are going to try and come back with essentially the same bill, saying “look we removed the death panels.”

    So we still have to attack them and illustrate their lies and their illegal and unconstitutional behavior, and their thuggish intimidation, 24/7.

    This is nowhere near over.

    Screw the ****ing Democrats. We can beat these communist losers, if we just grow a pair. Looks like the only one on the GOP side with any brass in her drawers is the hot chick. So be it.

    If the GOP men are incompetent cowards who cannot fight for this republic and our constitution, then one brave and fearless patriot (hottie) will have to do the job.

    Thank God for Sarah Palin.

  13. 2009 August 13 2:35 pm
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    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Anyone see that pic of Sarah sitting at a ceremony with “Liberty and Tyranny” sitting in her lap?

    How many of us really think that the rest of the worthless GOP even knows that book exists, let alone contains any members than bought it or read it.

    Has Mike Steele read the book? If not, why not?

  14. 2009 August 13 2:37 pm
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    rightwingyahoo permalink

  15. 2009 August 13 2:37 pm
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    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Note the caption, heh…..

    Dan Riehl writes, “Can’t wait to see the expression on Katie Couric’s face next time she asks Sarah what she’s been reading! Ha! Palin should take it into the studio and smack her over the head with it. But I’m sure Sarah’s too much of a lady to do that.”

  16. 2009 August 13 3:24 pm
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    JustMary permalink

    How many of us really think that the rest of the worthless GOP even knows that book exists, let alone contains any members than bought it or read it.

    I am 1/3 the way through it. 😀

    Would be further along, but with kidlets home I don’t have as much time to read as I would like.

  17. 2009 August 13 3:26 pm
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    justrand permalink

    rwy…Palin focused attention on this in a MASSIVE way. Obama trying to claim “we’re not gonna pull the plug on Grandma” just made a lot of Grandmas go “WHAT???”, who would otherwise never have paid attention.

    And now that they’ve dropped one part of it, the “Grandmas” are gonna want to know what’s in the rest!!!

    sweeeeeeeeet! The plummeting poll numbers for “The One” indicate a lot of “Grandmas” are paying attention now!

  18. 2009 August 13 3:39 pm
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    aureliusx permalink

    >> Thank God for Sarah Palin

    Yup.

    This is a HUGE win. Not just for the change in the bill. For pure principle.

    At this point I fully trust two human beings on the planet. Myself and Sarah.

  19. 2009 August 13 3:52 pm
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    aureliusx permalink

    Went over to Kos to have a laugh. They are purple-faced and screaming over this.

    “Sarah Palin Setting Finance Committee Policy?”
    “F— You, Democrats”

    Good times.

  20. 2009 August 13 3:55 pm
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    aureliusx permalink

    They literally don’t understand. They think Obama’s election was an endorsement of liberalism by the country, rather than a bizarre media construct coupled with laziness and ignorance of uninformed voters.

    Not that that we couldn’t end up there. But America may have one last breath in her after all.

  21. 2009 August 13 3:56 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    It’s Time to Play Name that Poster (from Sunday):

    “That language is off putting to most indie Americans. We are winning the debate. So why FU with over the top language. Also, she manages to give the impression that she is using Trig as a political prop.”

    Can anyone guess who said that? I can’t.

  22. 2009 August 13 3:59 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    Two things to remember about Sarah Palin:

    1) She plays by her own rules

    2) She’ll never give up on us, so don’t ever give up on her

  23. 2009 August 13 4:00 pm
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    aureliusx permalink

    Political prop– hilarious. Meanwhile Obama drags out his poor dead Grandma at every opportunity and that doesn’t bother Chek.

  24. 2009 August 13 4:00 pm
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    aureliusx permalink

    Bc3b– your #2 is the whole ball game.

  25. 2009 August 13 4:05 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    aureliusx –

    Wasn’t his dead grandma a typical white person?

  26. 2009 August 13 4:15 pm
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    rightwingyahoo permalink

    This thing with Sarah is the same as the thing with Rush over “I hope he fails”.

    Half the R party was trying to steer clear of Rush when he said that.

    Anyone still hoping Obama doesn’t fail? Besides Allah and Megan McMoron?

    NOTHING IS WORSE THAN A COWARD. NOTHING.

    Patterico? Newt? Still want Obama to succeed?

  27. 2009 August 13 4:34 pm
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    “Let’s pull the plug on the rest of this bill. ”

    Chant: Pull the plug on Government not Grandma.

  28. 2009 August 13 4:35 pm
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    “the same bill, saying “look we removed the death panels.” ”
    –Bingo

  29. 2009 August 13 4:38 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    Comment from Ace of Spades HQ:

    “She can kill a DC death panel from her house.”

  30. 2009 August 13 5:00 pm
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    rightwingyahoo permalink

    heh. when she takes the next oath of office and begins the long process of restoring our freedoms and releasing all the political prisoners, and pardoning all the anti-brownshirt forces of “crimes against the state”, the left will go crazy, if there are any of them left……

  31. 2009 August 13 5:05 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    Yahoo –

    And, she won’t care what they think. Name another prominent politician on the national scene who doesn’t owe anyone anything. That’s what makes her so damn dangerous. No one controls her.

  32. 2009 August 13 5:08 pm
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    aureliusx permalink

    yes bc3b, she was both typical and white, and also had a silly old hip surgery that cost loads of money when she was just.. well… old.

    old and white.

    would have been much better spent on ACORN or planned parenthood.

  33. 2009 August 13 5:13 pm
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    INC permalink

    Via C4 P, Peter Roff, at U. S. World & News Report:

    Score One for Sarah Palin on the Healthcare Reform Death Panels

    In what can fairly be described as an admission that former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin knew what she was talking about, the Senate Finance Committee Thursday dropped language from its bipartisan healthcare reform package that Palin and others had suggested would eventually lead to mandated end-of-life counseling sessions for seniors.

  34. 2009 August 13 5:14 pm
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    INC permalink

    “She can kill a DC death panel from her house.”

    I love it.

  35. 2009 August 13 5:16 pm
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    janzam permalink

    While it’s great that the end-of-life provision was pulled, the whole bill has to be yanked.

    If any part of it passes under the dims, what is going to stop them from re-inserting this provision and others as amendments to the bill, later on?

    This is what the dims are really good at — adding on, whenever it suits their long term needs and goals.

  36. 2009 August 13 5:26 pm
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    INC permalink

    Nothing will stop them, Jan.

    That’s why it’s time to kill the bill.

  37. 2009 August 13 5:57 pm
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    mpthompson permalink

    A bit off topic. I was having lunch today with my usual Thursday lunch group and they are, shall we say, typical SF Bay Area liberals.

    Got to discussing the Health Care Bill with them. Pretty quickly everyone at the table, except for me, reached the conclusion that “socialism is good for everyone.” I was literally going WTF? I’m left to wonder where did things go so wrong in the country that what would otherwise be considered above average intelligent, college educated people throw away the values that brought this country to greatness only to trade them in for “warm fuzzy, feel good for the moment, empty promises of socialism”?

    I can defend my positions well enough with these folks, but when there is such a discontinuity of core values there really isn’t much hope to change minds. Particularly when being conservative in the SF Bay Area is looked upon as being a deviant behavior worthy of psychological counseling.

    I’ll be heading off the Tea Party event in downtown San Francisco tomorrow just to check it out, but I’ve got to start hanging out with more conservative people before I begin thinking I’m the insane one.

  38. 2009 August 13 6:07 pm
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    INC permalink

    mpt, that’s amazing they’d say socialism is good for everyone.

    Colleges aren’t doing too well with history or logic.

    I’ll bet you enjoy the Tea Party. You’ll know that you’re not insane, but living in a sea of insanity.

  39. 2009 August 13 6:09 pm
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    INC permalink

    When you tried to change your name display, did you remember to click the update profile at the bottom?

  40. 2009 August 13 6:25 pm
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    mpthompson permalink

    Yeah, I certainly did hit update. There is just no combination that will let me post other than making sure my username, nickname and display name are the same. Oh well, no big deal.

    I figure the system has me confused with Congress Mike Thompson from Santa Rosa and refuses to let a flaming liberal post here. 🙂

  41. 2009 August 13 6:26 pm
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    JustMary permalink

    Yeah, forgot to tell you I installed liberal-sounding name blocker 2.0

  42. 2009 August 13 6:26 pm
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    mpthompson permalink

    Obama slap down from the “American College of Surgeons”. A good short read that basically says: Mr. President, get your facts straight before opening your mouth.

  43. 2009 August 13 6:42 pm
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    mpthompson permalink

    The concept of end of life counseling just sickens me. I have experienced first hand family members with long term terminal illnesses as well as the pain of suicide. This is a slippery slope that we should never step upon.

    Agree 100%. Earlier this year I was involved in around the clock hospice care for my older brother before he died of terminal brain cancer. A terrible, terrible disease that destroys the brain in an otherwise healthy body. To the bitter and tragic end, he was intent on beating the cancer and always said so. As anyone would, he occasionally became angry and frustrated as the disease quickly put physical limitations on him, but he never once bemoaned his fate or showed any self sorrow. Those of us involved in his care all knew where things were leading and, inside, he probably did as well. However, we never tried to pop his bubble and “reason” with him that he should mentally give up the fight and accept his fate. Such a conversation would have been pointless and would have certainly increased his anguish and diminish his spirit the few days he had left. That the government would try to wedge itself into such a personal and intimate time in one’s life is reprehensible to me.

  44. 2009 August 13 6:57 pm
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    justrand permalink

    mpthompson, I get the same crap where I work in San Jose…except that NONE of them are talking these days. They have their heads buried in the sand (or up a particular orifice) and REFUSE to think for themselves.

    btw…the reasons these morons think “Socialism is good for everyone” is that they mean everyone ELSE…not them. THEY expect to be the elite, who administer the Socialism, and thus need “extras” to compensate them for the stress.

  45. 2009 August 13 7:05 pm
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    wildernesstea permalink

    GREAT POST BCB3

  46. 2009 August 13 7:05 pm
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    MFG permalink

    Mike

    So sorry for your loss. The key is that the individual decides. When my Mom got notice from her Dr that her lung cancer was terminal she immediately told him, “Nothing, heroic, just give me something for the pain.”

    Individual, not government, choice is the key

  47. 2009 August 13 7:12 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    JR,

    They don’t know history very well then. Usually the first thing the socialists do is decapitate or incarcerate all the intellectuals.

  48. 2009 August 13 7:33 pm
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    INC permalink

    mpt, I’m very sorry to hear about your brother.

    The stories here indicate why this issue is close and personal for many of us.

  49. 2009 August 13 7:43 pm
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    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Individual, not government, choice is the key

    Yes, and absent an explicit wish to the contrary by the patient, you err on the side of life, not death. That was what was wrong with the Schiavo case, that plus the judge was eager to overlook guardianship rules violations by the dozen, and no other judge would call him on it.

    The patient decides. And if they do not, or have not, you err on the side of life. Not death.

  50. 2009 August 13 7:47 pm
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    rightwingyahoo permalink

    They don’t know history very well then. Usually the first thing the socialists do is decapitate or incarcerate all the intellectuals.

    Have to do it, for 2 reasons:

    1) no leaders allowed, that might organize against you. You see a small version of this in the poison launched at the town hall protesters…. “Shut up or I’ll shut you up..” I have never seen it this explicit in the US in my life. I guess in the 1930s it was worse. 1880/90s union wars etc….

    2) Have to set the example that you do what you’re told or you disappear. Must rule by fear.

  51. 2009 August 13 7:50 pm
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    brucefdb permalink

    Dr Dog…..there are no conservative intellectuals. We are all idiots, didn’t you hear?

  52. 2009 August 13 7:51 pm
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    brucefdb permalink

    But a lot of us own guns. 😉

  53. 2009 August 13 8:10 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    brucefdb permalink

    Dr Dog…..there are no conservative intellectuals. We are all idiots, didn’t you hear?

    That’s ok. When the socialist lawn mower of life comes along the only heads being lopped off will be liberals. We conservatives all bent down to pick up our guns. Even idiots usually know where to point the gun.

  54. 2009 August 13 8:38 pm
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    rightwingyahoo permalink

    yes. But you have to actually do it, and not just talk about it. This is the as yet “known unknown”.

    Although, there have been some signs that people are willing to engage the left and not let go, in the last few weeks.

    Not in the R party, but among the people.

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