“To Hell With the Political Class”

2009 August 23
by bc3b

In Pajamas Media, Melissa Clouthier keenly identifies what is wrong with our country. It goes beyond Barack Obama and, in fact, lies with our “political class,” which has taken over our nation and decides what’s best for us. The problem has intensified under Obama . Obama deluded voters into thinking he was far more moderate than he is and now is trying to take Americans in a direction they don’t want to go.

It’s no big mystery why President Obama’s poll numbers have dropped like a scorching potato on a summer day in Houston: He’s stinking it up. The man came into office with a 72% approval rating. Nearly everyone gave him the benefit of the doubt. Six months of flimflam have soured all except his most adoring sycophants.

The press still loves Barack Obama. Enough said.

For everyone else, for those who hoped for change, disappointment mounts.

To Liberals and Democrats hoping for the socialist promised land, conservatives feel your pain. They’ve been there. Hell, they’re still there. Those who voted for Republicans hoping for sensible government, fiscal restraint and less intrusion got none of it — even when Republicans controlled the House, Senate and Executive branches. Can you say Drug Plan to buy off seniors and drug companies? Can you say TARP?

The reason President Obama is tanking so quickly, though, is that he has a problem that President Bush didn’t have: Candidate Obama promised the world, sun, stars, and moon to everyone. People pinned their hopes and dreams on him. He stayed vague and hope-n-changy enough that all people felt reassured when he spoke to them. The problem is, he said whatever worked to whatever crowd he stood before. Or rather, his words were suitably bland that people projected their desires on his words. They heard what they wanted to hear, but what was he saying?

George W. Bush governed exactly how he campaigned. The term “compassionate conservatism” was wince-inducing. We believe being conservative is compassionate. When President Bush “reached across the isle” to Teddy Kennedy, it seemed the height of naivete. The split was coming, and it did. And to burn credibility with the base over education reform, of all things…

Still, the magnanimous ways and the mushy center were classic Blue Blood Republican and for all the twang, which so irritated liberals, President Bush governed and was motivated by noblesse oblige. He campaigned this way. No surprises.

Here’s the entire article.

68 Responses leave one →
  1. 2009 August 23 8:45 am
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    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Great article, I love Melissa Clouthier. Bush was not hit hard enough, however.

    Bush was a poorer president than Clinton. I know that will piss a lot of folks off, but look what he did to the R party.

  2. 2009 August 23 8:58 am
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    bc3b permalink

    “Bush was a poorer president than Clinton.”

    Sadly, Yahoo (with the exception of the SC nominees, you may be right.

  3. 2009 August 23 9:06 am
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    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Well, judge him by what he did to his party. What other conclusion can you come to? And now we all have to live under communism, because of his corruption and incompetence, and elitism, of course.

  4. 2009 August 23 9:32 am
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    janzam permalink

    Bush may not have set the Administrative table the way all conservatives envisioned, but it was yet another case of “alternatives,” when it came to Bush or another democrat —> 1st Gore and then Kerry were the muliple choices offered in the 2000 & 2004 elections.

    And, while Bush did harm, especially fiscally and managing the border, he also did good in some of his post 911 moves, dissing global warming legislation, reducing taxes, and keeping the economy relatively afloat after 911, to name only a few things.

    Watching McCain on the Steponopolis Sunday show, was interesting. Because, as much as McCain has been dismissed as a RINO, he showed a firm repudiation of democratic practices in his give and take with a persistent Steponopolis. I mused how different our “fight” would look today if he had won rather than Obama. It might have been incremental politics should McCain had defeated Obama — meaning conservatives would not have had the entire pie of their desires — but, maybe that is the way life jostles up and divides the playing field, where you don’t usually get everything you want in one political move.

  5. 2009 August 23 9:37 am
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    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Bush may not have set the Administrative table the way all conservatives envisioned

    sniff….sniff…. mmm, smells like marinated understatement in here….

    Watching McCain on the Steponopolis Sunday show, was interesting. Because, as much as McCain has been dismissed as a RINO, he showed a firm repudiation of democratic practices in his give and take with a persistent Steponopolis.

    Too bad he couldn’t do that in the campaign.

  6. 2009 August 23 9:38 am
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    rightwingyahoo permalink

    And whatever he repudiated, it was not carbon caps or amnesty, we know…..

  7. 2009 August 23 9:51 am
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    janzam permalink

    I heard what he said about global warming issues today. He still believes that “global warming” is taking place. But, the lynch pin to his way of handling it is “the building of 100 nuclear power plants” by 2020. He didn’t say anything about cap & trade, and his support of that was muted and very different from obama’s in the campaign. I’ve argued this point many times with you yahoo, to no avail, as you see this issue in a total rejection or acceptance of it, failing to look at the process behind each man’s opinion. And, all we have to show for disparaging McCain is a political avalanche of Obama socialism.

    While I was never “happy” with McCain on his Amnesty views, downright hating his part in the CIR, he, nevertheless, was more workable than the dims in this controversial area as well.

    It’s where we stand today, by throwing the towel in on McCain, ultimately giving us Obama, that I wince and say “Was it worth it?”

  8. 2009 August 23 10:04 am
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    rightwingyahoo permalink

    I don’t think anyone threw in the towel except McCain and his campaign staff. Mark McKinnon for example, said even though he worked for McCain, he was voting for Obama. I think Meghan McCain said something like that as well. I think she ended up voting for her dad, but McKinnon voted for Obama, if he is to be believed.

    Mike Murphy, another McCain operative, called anti-amnesty Rs “The German-American Bund”, ie, Nazis…

    I think had McCain won, amnesty and carbon caps would have been sure of passage. Both will wreck the country by themselves if enacted.

    I have mixed emotions. Had McCain won, Sarah would be the undisputed heir of our party, and that is probably good. We also would not have had to put up with Sotomayor. Probably.

    As for the rest, it was all up for grabs. McCain loves gut-punching conservatives as much as the left does.

    Remember, McCain said “You have nothing to fear from an Obama presidency”.

  9. 2009 August 23 10:06 am
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    rightwingyahoo permalink

    And, all we have to show for disparaging McCain is a political avalanche of Obama socialism.

    Yes. But we’d have gotten much of it anyway under McCain, and this way, at least the American people can see the Dems for who they are.

    It would be nice if the R party would distance themselves from Obama by offering alternatives, but alas. no luck.

  10. 2009 August 23 10:11 am
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    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Jan, I don’t know what to say, really, I voted for McCain. I tried to drag him as far to the right as I could, but he lost, and badly. He never really wanted it, I think.

  11. 2009 August 23 10:22 am
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    janzam permalink

    I have to hand it to you, yahoo, because you did vote for McCain, even though you had so many misgivings about him.

    The discussion here is political jousting about the means to a common end. You and I share the ends, but not always the means.

  12. 2009 August 23 10:31 am
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    bc3b permalink

    After McCain went to Washington to “barter” the financial meltdown, there was only one person who didn’t raise the white flag.

    So-called “Republican Strategists” like Mike Murphy and Kevin Madden are almost as great a danger to our country as Obama. Pelosi and Reid as they are working to destroy conservative values while advancing their own agendas.

  13. 2009 August 23 11:24 am
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    janzam permalink

    I have to disagree with you bc.

    Murphy and Madden are a softer kind of republican, and don’t stringently adhere to all the conservative values that are espoused here. After all the GOP is not a lockstep party like the democrats are. That is a good thing too, because it demonstrates genuine diversity and creativity in the party, much like the homemade signs do at tea party rallies; unlike the distributed ones their opponents are “handed.”

    But, when conservatives begin to compare more “centrist” views with leftists like Obama, Pelosi and Reid, nothing is gained. What is lost, though, through such hyperbole is a muting of a conservative’s argument, as it takes on a shrill rather than reasoned tone.

  14. 2009 August 23 11:29 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    Clouthier, what took you so long?! I was at this realization back in 1989. Nor is the current row because hopey-changey lied. Its because the country is tired of the BS that the political class piles on. The current drive by CPSA to rummage thru garage sales looking for counter band is a classic example.

    Fact the big Tea event ought to add tables everywhere we go. Put old household items we know are safe and run the CPSA ragged looking for them all. (Alinsky #4 if I remember right.) Drive them into the ground with their own rules.

  15. 2009 August 23 11:32 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    RWY, you miss some of Clouthier’s point. The populace needs to start distancing themselves from Pols period. We have the power, we’re just too stupid to exercise it. Till we start voting like ‘2 terms your out’ means something the Pols will hold sway. When being a Pol is a part time job only available for a few years is when there is the possibility of change.

  16. 2009 August 23 11:37 am
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    rightwingyahoo permalink

    I got that, Dr. I agree too. I think it’s ok to leave them in longer, if they stick to the constitution. Reward for good behavior and all that. But, if you argue that is impossible, you’d have history on your side, certainly.

  17. 2009 August 23 11:43 am
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    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Murphy and Madden are a softer kind of republican, and don’t stringently adhere to all the conservative values that are espoused here.

    A hardening of stances is to be expected, when the country has no more room for error.

    The truth is, the old politics of the right giving way to the left and frittering around the edges in no longer affordable for the nation. Nearly everyone outside washington knows this…

    So, guys like Madden, McCain, et al, while not thrown out of the party, are not of any real value to it, as a vehicle to save the country. Nearly everyone outside DC knows this, as well.

    Jan, remember Lincoln’s quote about General McClellan: “I am no longer willing to bore with an auger too dull to take hold.”

    That’s how we feel about Arnold, Rudy, McCain, Romney, Madden, Crist, Murphy, and all the rest. We hear them, but we are no longer placing any trust or value in what they say, because we have seen the results.

    By the way: Do you not take issue with what Murphy said about the anti-amnesty crowd? What was “soft” about that?

  18. 2009 August 23 11:51 am
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    janzam permalink

    I don’t agree with Murphy an many things, including his comments on amnesty. However, he has been on target about other stances, and far more responsible in his comments than centrist democrats.

    I continue to see this as a “numbers” game. You can’t even win a chess game easily with less players on the board. I prefer to empower people who will move the American agenda in the right direction, while keeping less helpful people as more minor players, but still players.

  19. 2009 August 23 11:53 am
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    janzam permalink

    Of course if you break the country up, such as drdog is saying, than the game plan changes, and having a “majority” is not critical.

  20. 2009 August 23 11:54 am
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    rightwingyahoo permalink

    So, guys like Madden, McCain, et al, while not thrown out of the party, are not of any real value to it, as a vehicle to save the country.

    I don’t necessarily want them out. I don’t want them leading us. We’ve seen where that takes us the last 8 years.

    But they don’t want to let us lead. They want us out, all the way, and quickly.

    Hence the battle.

  21. 2009 August 23 11:58 am
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    janzam permalink

    I don’t necessarily want them out. I don’t want them leading us. —> rwy

    Now, this is more in line with thinking, yahoo. Interesting…..

  22. 2009 August 23 12:01 pm
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    rightwingyahoo permalink

    But, you can hardly say that the McKinnons and Murphys of the world are happy about our presence in the R party, Jan, that is to say, conservatives’ presence……

  23. 2009 August 23 12:04 pm
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    janzam permalink

    They want us in as much as we want them in, as they can’t win without the conservative vote.

    However, they want to sideline the conservative power base, while we want to do the same to them!

    I guess it’s really a case of intraparty power struggles, isn’t it?

  24. 2009 August 23 12:16 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    rightwingyahoo

    Well, judge him by what he did to his party. What other conclusion can you come to?

    I can come to the conclusion that the Washington insiders in the party let it happen to themselves. Look I can grieve for an assault victim, but if you didn’t put up a fight, well….. What makes it worse is that Bush was a wimp and did not carry a knife when he did it.

    Make your conclusion from there.

  25. 2009 August 23 12:22 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    Spamgate is getting a lot more interesting! — http://www.verumserum.com/?p=7974

  26. 2009 August 23 12:23 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    Janxzam –

    I must disagree. Murphy and Madden are simply “hired giuns” and pretty much void of political philosophy. I could see either of them comfortably working for Democrats. IMHO they simply enjoy politics and are in it for the money and power. The same can be said of most “Republican Strategists.”

  27. 2009 August 23 12:26 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    Well somebody else is making the connections I have of the disconnect from the feminists position of reproductive rights and the somewhat favorable support for the govt owning your whole body. — http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2009/08/feminists-and-health-care-leave-my-uterus-aone.html I wonder why it takes so long to note the obvious?

  28. 2009 August 23 12:32 pm
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    gnqanq permalink

    First, don’t lose sight of the fact McCain is up for re-election. How much of what he is saying or doing is to play up to the conservatives in Arizona to win re-election.

    If McCain had won, I do believe we would be in worse shape. Cap & Trade might not be law but many of the provisions the left has wanted, McCain would have signed off on. Health Care, again McCain would have moved left and given the Dems some major points. Amnesty, there is no doubt he would have brought it forward. The only issue McCain would have been good on would have been spending. Otherwise we would have found ourselves worse off.

    Where Republicans can make a major move is on what Jan said. Empower the American people. The Republicans need to stress that a cookie cutter approach does not work for all of America. We need to empower the people at the local level so they can make the right decisions for themselves at that level. Fort Wayne Indiana is not the same as Portland Oregon.

  29. 2009 August 23 12:34 pm
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    “Spamgate is getting a lot more interesting!”

    Not really we all know the WH did it, was there ever any real question about it.
    Weapons of mass distraction coming this week, watch for the wh to try and change the topic on a couple different fronts.

  30. 2009 August 23 12:35 pm
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    janzam permalink

    The article below fits into “the political class” thread, although it is talking about upcoming elections in California, questioning the republican candidates now pitching their hat into the governor and senate rings.

    For governor you have the ebay CEO, Meg Whitman, with credentials of being “rich, a woman” and “not inclined to vote while in the private sector.” Tom Campbell is running against her, underfunded but more hands on in the political process, and from what I know much more conservative in values.

    Then you have Boxer’s seat with another woman, Carly Fiornina, competing on the Republican side. She has the same credentials as Whitman –> “a CEO, rich, a woman” and not having much of a voting record as a private citizen. Her primary contender is Chuck DeVore, who I just don’t have much info on.

    Too big to vote? Debra Saunders

  31. 2009 August 23 12:41 pm
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    janzam permalink

    bc

    That is what I like about the Republican party —> that people can respectfully agree to disagree.

  32. 2009 August 23 12:49 pm
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    blakeney permalink

    We know the gutter and we know the stink of the street
    For not much longer will we press through your festering heat
    All you tyrants who tower above us
    You who give us the smack of your rod
    Soon now we will give you the gutter
    We will give you the judgment of God!

    The world may be ugly, but each man must do what he must
    We are coming for you overreaching tyrants, in a year you will be dust
    Soon now our Lady of Justice will possess you
    In her breathtaking, hair-raising bed
    She will tingle your spines as she captures your hearts and your heads!</i.

  33. 2009 August 23 12:58 pm
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    janzam permalink

    There have been many references today to Obama’s record Presidential Approval Index # of -14. Gateway does a brief analysis of this figure as well.

    Obama reaches new double digit low in popularity at -14! Gateway Pundit link

  34. 2009 August 23 1:14 pm
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    justrand permalink

    Back from the SEIU Rally (aka: Jackie Speier TowhHall).

    mpthompson and I sat behind a man with the title: “Political Action Coordinator for SEIU Northern California”. Nice guy…upfront about having organized people to be there. Dozens of “Organizing for America” folks were lining the way into the event, and handing out Obama HealthCare stickers and buttons. 2/3 of the crowd was wearing one or more of these.

    neither mptthompson nor I was able to ask a question…we shoulda worn the stickers!

    Most “questions” were fawning softball types like: “Our healthcare system is too expensive, and yet is worse than that of other nations…why is that?” During this answer Speier said CUBA has a better ‘infant mortality’ rate than us! True, btw, but only because Cuba MANDATES abortions in cases where there is any doubt about the babies health…thus boosting their stats. I asked the SEIU guy if he wanted to have his children born in Cuba.

    And Speier is VERY slick…and dodged the handful of questions that weren’t fawning. Example:
    Question: “Medicare is nearly bankrupt, and Social Security is as well. How can we believe the Government can manage this program and not have IT go bankrupt?”

    Answer: [honest to God] “How many people in the audience are on Medicare? [lots of hands] SEE! Medicare is working just fine. And the way to keep Social Security solvent is to eliminate the cap on the Social Security tax. [applause] Next question. “

    p.s. the Social Security cap answer was particularly galling, in that she turned around and said: “No one making less than $500,000 a year will see ANY increase in taxes” [more applause] But gee, Jackie…what about when you remove the SSA cap…that means an increase of 6.9% on everybody making above $108,000.

  35. 2009 August 23 1:15 pm
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    justrand permalink

    Bottom line from the TownHall…this was the reaction I expected from the Bay Area. But it was STILL disappointing!

  36. 2009 August 23 1:16 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    Janzam –

    One of the most important factors in today’s Rasmussen poll is that only 25% of the disapproval rating is swoft(folks disapproving, but not strongly disapproving). 43% of Obama’s approvals are soft.

  37. 2009 August 23 1:19 pm
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    janzam permalink

    Nice synopsis, Justrand, although it must have been a mite frustrating with the circumstances you & mp encountered. But, then what can you expect from the Bay area, which has always been such a liberal bastion.

    Thanks for going and sharing afterwards!

  38. 2009 August 23 1:20 pm
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    janzam permalink

    bc

    I saw that breakdown too and was very heartened by it. It’s a joy to see truth beaming in on people’s understanding of the dire situation we are in today.

  39. 2009 August 23 1:31 pm
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    JustMary permalink

    I was hoping for a good arrest story. Way to disappoint! 👿

  40. 2009 August 23 1:31 pm
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    justrand permalink

    btw, in re. that Rasmussen poll. Be aware that a LOT of the slippage in the “Strongly Approve” is people like the folks at Speier’s TownHall. They are not “Strongly Approving” because he is not currently delivering ENOUGH Far Left stuff!

    Cheering occurred today when some guy suggesting de-funding the military, when Speier said we should remove the Social Security tax cap, and when someone else mentioned capping the salaries of greedy Insurance Company execs.

    If Obama starts delivering more of his Socialist nirvanna, the Far Left will rally to him.

    Of course, more regular folks will wake up too! 🙂

  41. 2009 August 23 1:33 pm
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    justrand permalink

    mpt and I just strolled in…we didn’t even have to pretend to be “Domestic Partners”. I shaved my legs for nothing! 🙂 [and boy, panty-hose REALLY itches!]

  42. 2009 August 23 1:34 pm
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    fedupartist permalink

    Can’t wait for Beck to return.

  43. 2009 August 23 1:34 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    Not really we all know the WH did it, was there ever any real question about it. — KH

    I agree with that, but this is like a good Perry Mason episode — who is Obama going to throw under the bus to make it go away?

  44. 2009 August 23 1:35 pm
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    Havok permalink

    I’m starting to smell Ted Kennedy’s corpse over the border here…
    I wonder is Obama is going to have a seance when he tries to speak to him this week or maybe the water tank from Fringe.

    I have no compassion for murderers. Sorry I made you all wince.

    FYI–there are rumors flying all over up here that he is either dead or on machines at this point. Thats why he didnt show at his sisters funeral and that his wife and staff wrote the letter to the Mass congress to change the law on his senate seat.

  45. 2009 August 23 1:39 pm
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    fedupartist permalink

    If Kennedy dies before the vote, Obama and the msm will exploit his death to pressure yea votes from other Dems.

    Count on it.

  46. 2009 August 23 1:40 pm
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    justrand permalink

    Havok, they gotta keep him plugged in until the ink is dry on their new law to appoint his replacement (throwing out the current law that KENNEDY forced in when they though Kerry might get elected while Romney was Governor).

    Once the new law is smudge-proof someone will accidentally trip over the plug keeping Teddy “alive”.

    At least then Mary Jo Kopekne can tell Teddy how SHE feels about being murdered!

  47. 2009 August 23 1:41 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    Democrats — Pass any Law, or repeal it, to fit the situation. May they bury the SOB in an 1960’s model Ford Fairlane.

  48. 2009 August 23 1:44 pm
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    fedupartist permalink

    Kennedy probably wants Patrick to appoint Gates.

  49. 2009 August 23 1:47 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    “At least then Mary Jo Kopekne can tell Teddy how SHE feels about being murdered!”

    Justrand – I’m not sure Mary Jo and Teddy with be in the same place in the afterlife.

  50. 2009 August 23 1:48 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    I have read that Kennedy would prefer his current wife be appointed. After all, isn’t that seat a family possession.

  51. 2009 August 23 1:49 pm
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    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Many will object, but I’ll cheer when Kennedy goes. Few have harmed this country more.

    Tiller,
    Cronkite
    Kennedy?

    Hell’s gettin’ full. Throw Mike Schaivo and Jack Kervorkain in there, too.

    At least then Mary Jo Kopekne can tell Teddy how SHE feels about being murdered!

    Perhaps they aren’t scheduled to meet…..

  52. 2009 August 23 1:49 pm
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    fedupartist permalink

    MA can die too, for all I care.

  53. 2009 August 23 1:51 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    Justrand – I’m not sure Mary Jo and Teddy with be in the same place in the afterlife. — BC

    Oh, I could envision a Serlinisque after life for Kennedy. His hell is he spends eternity swimming, looking for her body.

  54. 2009 August 23 2:06 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    bc

    That is what I like about the Republican party —> that people can respectfully agree to disagree. stab us in the back.

    Fixed it for you, Janzam.

  55. 2009 August 23 2:07 pm
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    InkyBinky permalink

    Havok:

    I’m starting to smell Ted Kennedy’s corpse over the border here…

    Now you listen to me Havok, you don’t talk to me like that! I am a very respected senior member of the United States senate!

    I would really chew your ass, but my gin bottle is almost empty and I have to tell one of my servants to get me another, so you are getting off lucky this time.

    BTW, can you swim.

    Clunk.

  56. 2009 August 23 2:10 pm
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    janzam permalink

    What a word wizzard you are bc. But, that isn’t exactly what I had in mind! LOL

  57. 2009 August 23 2:14 pm
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    janzam permalink

    I don’t wish ill on many people. But, Kennedy should just go in peace, and stop trying to manipulate the world according to his POV.

    He should let the replacement regulation stand where it is, rather than making a sympathy case out of his situation to virtually proctor from the grave what he wants.

  58. 2009 August 23 2:17 pm
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    justrand permalink

    janzam: “Kennedy should just go in peace”

    Actually, Kennedy should go in PIECES! I guess we’re all “fixing” your stuff for ya today 🙂

  59. 2009 August 23 2:17 pm
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    mpthompson permalink

    Justrand put up a nice summary of the town hall meeting we both attended with Congresswoman Jackie Speier. The bottom line, I was very disappointed. When Speier wasn’t thrown incredibly softball questions, dodging the 2 or 3 harder questions she was, in Justrand’s own words, running out the clock by having prearranged people tell their hard luck health care anecdotal stories to the audience. Very little substance was discussed.

    What was most disappointing to me was the general tone of the meeting that free enterprise is bad and no tax is too high. Insurance companies were demonized and the government was the hero out to save everyone though endless giveaways. Those supporting health care reform (particularly the single payer system) probably outnumbered those against by 5 to 1 — easily shouting down or booing people they disagreed with.

    Finally, there wasn’t even lip service to concern over the growing government debt or the government’s inability to ultimately pay for all the entitlements that are being created. It was all pretty much just waived away with a brief mention that it wasn’t something that a few tax increases couldn’t solve.

  60. 2009 August 23 2:28 pm
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    Havok permalink

    I wonder if he still smells like booze…..
    They should cremate him because he would light up like a bonfire. The real “green” folks could probably use his blood to fuel their prius’s

  61. 2009 August 23 2:29 pm
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    janzam permalink

    mp — It must be disappointing when you are sitting there and seeing through the sham they are putting around their “democratic” talk on health care. It’s like pulling the wool over a complacent bunch of sheeple.

    Was there any press there? And, if so, it will be interesting to see what kind of coverage it gets. In such a contrived setting I can see where they will spin it that people really do want health care — it is just the right-wing heretics that are being unreasonably out of step with Obama.

    I guess we’re all “fixing” your stuff for ya today –> justrand…

    I’ve got no comeback for such good humored “fixing!”

  62. 2009 August 23 2:35 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

  63. 2009 August 23 2:36 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    Seriously janzam, the split in the GOP (between country club Rs and conservatives) is much greater than the Dem split between Blue Dogs and the communist/socialist wing.

    Palin scares them not just because she’s a conservative, but because she would change things as they have never been changed before (in both the government and the GOP).

  64. 2009 August 23 2:36 pm
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    mpthompson permalink

    Was there any press there?

    Yes, I saw local Channel 5 (CBS) and Channel 7 (ABC) as well as Speier’s communications director mentioning that CSPAN was there recording the whole town hall meeting for possible rebroadcast later in the week. The whole thing was pretty boring so I’m not sure why they would broadcast it other than if they really need to fill in some time.

  65. 2009 August 23 2:36 pm
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    janzam permalink

    Havoc

    Ted Kennedy has never held a real job his entire life, which is why he remains in his breezy limousine-liberal world. From what I understand, though, he has been sober a number of years. I think the Kennedy family, as a whole, has a predilection to addiction problems, as a number of them have been in and out of rehab.

    Being rich and famous doesn’t necessarily mean devoid of problems like regular people.

  66. 2009 August 23 2:43 pm
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    janzam permalink

    the split in the GOP (between country club Rs and conservatives is much greater than the Dem split between Blue Dogs and the communist/socialist wing. —> bc3b

    I’m not so sure about that. The fuss in congress is really between the hard-nosed libs and the centrist/conservative dims who have something to lose come the 2010 elections. I think that is where the true battleground is becoming enlivened.

    The GOP has always been a party of strong individuals, so nothing new in chiasms of thinking, whether it is between Country-club elites, Conservatives or whatever. But, I’m not going to repeat that thingy about “agreeing to disagree” because of the re-editing that will go on. LOL

    As far as Sarah goes, she is definitely a catalyst. But, I still caution her to use her edge and appeal to the grassroots with some caution. People can quickly turn away with one misstep. Just look how many people took issue with her quitting the governorship. It can happen again.

  67. 2009 August 23 2:48 pm
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    justrand permalink

    sadly, the 11th “Accident” wasn’t an “Accident”. But it IS a disaster!

  68. 2009 August 23 3:01 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    Agreed 🙁

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