Will Obama Cave to the Left on Afghanistan?

2009 September 1
by bc3b

As if he didn’t have enough problems on the domestic scene, Barack Obams is facing increasing pressure on Afghanistan, primarily from the left, but also a few conservatives like George Will.

White House officials are increasingly worried liberal, anti-war Democrats will demand a premature end to the Afghanistan war before President Barack Obama can show signs of progress in the eight-year conflict, according to senior administration sources.

These fears, which the officials have discussed on the condition of anonymity over the past few weeks, are rising fast after U.S. casualties hit record levels in July and August.

The aides also expressed concern that Afghan election returns, still being tallied, will result in a narrow reelection for President Hamid Karzai that could result in qualms about his legitimacy — “Tehran II,” as one official put it, in reference to the disputed Iranian election.

The result: some think Afghanistan — not health care — will be the issue that defines the early years of the Obama administration.

Here’s the full article.

In addition, George Will is weighing in about a pullout:

U.S. strategy — protecting the population — is increasingly troop-intensive while Americans are increasingly impatient about “deteriorating” (says Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) conditions. The war already is nearly 50 percent longer than the combined U.S. involvements in two world wars, and NATO assistance is reluctant and often risible.

U.S. strategy is “clear, hold and build.” Clear? Taliban forces can evaporate and then return, confident that U.S. forces will forever be too few to hold gains. Hence nation-building would be impossible even if we knew how, and even if Afghanistan were not the second-worst place to try: The Brookings Institution ranks Somalia as the only nation with a weaker state.

Military historian Max Hastings says Kabul controls only about a third of the country — “control” is an elastic concept — and “‘our’ Afghans may prove no more viable than were ‘our’ Vietnamese, the Saigon regime.” Just 4,000 Marines are contesting control of Helmand province, which is the size of West Virginia. The New York Times reports a Helmand official saying he has only “police officers who steal and a small group of Afghan soldiers who say they are here for ‘vacation.'”


Genius, said de Gaulle, recalling Bismarck’s decision to halt German forces short of Paris in 1870, sometimes consists of knowing when to stop. Genius is not required to recognize that in Afghanistan, when means now, before more American valor, such as Allen’s, is squandered.

Here’s Will’s full column.

Hat tips: Politico and Real Clear Politics.

128 Responses leave one →
  1. 2009 September 1 9:29 am
    Sharp2edgedsword permalink

    I am for pulling our of Afghanistan. I agree with Will. We can still use the drones and special forces etc. The way Obama is waging the war our troops have to fight with one hand tied behind their back. We could also set up a base in a friendlier part of the country and use it when needed to launch attacks.
    Afganistan could become another Vietnam. The Russians failed there and I think we will too. It is a broken country and will likely remain that way. What is our reason to stay ? We can’t be the world’s policeman.

  2. 2009 September 1 9:42 am
    RepublicanPundit permalink

    He needs to worry more about Iraq.

    It appears that only the democrat party can lose a war we have already won.

  3. 2009 September 1 9:45 am
    janzam permalink

    Yes, RP, I think Iraq is the hingepin to the Middle East, far more than Afganistan.

    Afganistan is such a scattered, unruly country with no real military or infrastructure…where do you start?? Also, with so many strangle-holds on the US’s rules of engagement, a soldier has to consult his “handbook” before he dares makes a move!

    What a mess!

  4. 2009 September 1 9:49 am
    janzam permalink

    O/T Stocks are falling sharply today, despite a small uptick in manufacturing and housing data. Supposedly investors are expecting a bad jobs report come Friday.

    The market is moody!

  5. 2009 September 1 9:50 am
    bc3b permalink

    Ever since WWII we have been involved in wars without a sense of purpose and a plan to win – Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. Thousands of American men and women have given their lives and we have virtually nothing to show for it. “Winning minds and hearts” always seems to take precedence over winning and the safety of American troops.

    Now Gen. McCrystal is talking about new directives that will provide greater safety for Afghan civilians at the expense of American forces. If there’s no plan to win, we are placing the lives of our young men and women in danger. Political correctness rules. Soldiers are not permitted to have a crucifix (or presumably a Star of David) showing. Bibles and other religious items must be kept hidden Why???

  6. 2009 September 1 9:57 am
    bc3b permalink

    I don’t know if winning is possible without permanent occupation. Iraq is an Islamic Republic. Muslims are hardly the world’s most rational prople. Christians (and presumably other non-muslims) have a far more difficult life than they did under Saddaam.

  7. 2009 September 1 9:58 am

    Bibles and other religious items must be kept hidden Why???”


    Because the inmates are now running the asylum.

  8. 2009 September 1 9:58 am
    knova permalink

    One should read “Charlie Wilson’s War” to get an understanding of Afghanistan. The movie does not do the book justice. The place is basically Somalia, ruled by tribal relations and warlords. There is no way to win in a place like that because alliances keep shifting.

  9. 2009 September 1 10:18 am
    Sharp2edgedsword permalink

    O/T Obama is proposing public employees get .04% less of a raise. With pensions, healthcare and wages, the government seems to be the best place to work. I recently saw a graph comparing public vs. private pay over the last 10-15 years and the public pay was much better. Government employees have become just another big constituency for the democratic party.

    BIG GOVERNMENT keeps getting BIGGER. Bush certainly wasn’t helpful in that area.

  10. 2009 September 1 10:23 am

    THe gubmint needs to expand, to meet the expanding needs of gubmint.

  11. 2009 September 1 10:26 am


  12. 2009 September 1 10:27 am
    Sharp2edgedsword permalink

    O/T The left likes to demonize the right as being “theocrats” while they preen over “torture” abuse. When was the last time “christian terrorists” committed any attacks ? George Tiller ? One fanatic. The left complains that the social cons want to legislate morality( a false charge in my opinion), while the left actively legislates immorality. Secularism IS a religion, a godless religion of atheism.

  13. 2009 September 1 10:27 am
    Sharp2edgedsword permalink

    IP , I like your sense of humor 🙂

  14. 2009 September 1 10:27 am
    conservativetony permalink

    The indoctrination is set for Sept 8, 2009

    Drudge has it. My kids will be pulled out of school for that day. They will not be fed the Obama kook-aid.

    PreK-6 Menu of Classroom Activities:
    President Obama’s Address to Students
    Across America
    Produced by Teaching Ambassador Fellows, U.S. Department of Education September 8, 2009

    Before the Speech:

    Teachers can build background knowledge about the President of the United States and his speech by reading books about presidents and Barack Obama and motivate students by asking the following questions: Who is the President of the United States? What do you think it takes to be President? To whom do you think the President is going to be speaking? Why do you think he wants to speak to you? What do you think he will say to you?

    Teachers can ask students to imagine being the President delivering a speech to all of the students in the United States. What would you tell students? What can students do to help in our schools? Teachers can chart ideas about what they would say.

    Why is it important that we listen to the President and other elected officials, like the mayor, senators, members of congress, or the governor? Why is what they say important?
    During the Speech:

    As the President speaks, teachers can ask students to write down key ideas or phrases that are important or personally meaningful. Students could use a note-taking graphic organizer such as a Cluster Web, or students could record their thoughts on sticky notes. Younger children can draw pictures and write as appropriate. As students listen to the speech, they could think about the following: What is the President trying to tell me? What is the President asking me to do? What new ideas and actions is the President challenging me to think about?

    Students can record important parts of the speech where the President is asking them to do something. Students might think about: What specific job is he asking me to do? Is he asking anything of anyone else? Teachers? Principals? Parents? The American people?

    Students can record any questions they have while he is speaking and then discuss them after the speech. Younger children may need to dictate their questions.
    After the Speech:

    Teachers could ask students to share the ideas they recorded, exchange sticky notes or stick notes on a butcher paper poster in the classroom to discuss main ideas from the speech, i.e. citizenship, personal responsibility, civic duty.

    Students could discuss their responses to the following questions: What do you think the President wants us to do? Does the speech make you want to do anything? Are we able to do what President Obama is asking of us? What would you like to tell the President?

    Teachers could encourage students to participate in the Department of Education’s “I Am What I Learn” video contest.
    On September 8
    the Department will invite K-12 students to submit a 2
    video no longer than 2 min, explaining why education is important and how their education will help them achieve their dreams. Teachers are welcome to incorporate the same or a similar video project into an assignment. More details will be released via http://www.ed.gov
    Extension of the Speech: Teachers can extend learning by having students

    Create posters of their goals. Posters could be formatted in quadrants or puzzle pieces or trails marked with the labels: personal, academic, community, country. Each area could be labeled with three steps for achieving goals in those areas. It might make sense to focus on personal and academic so community and country goals come more readily.

    Write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals.

    Write goals on colored index cards or precut designs to post around the classroom.

    Interview and share about their goals with one another to create a supportive community.

    Participate in School wide incentive programs or contests for students who achieve their goals.

    Write about their goals in a variety of genres, i.e. poems, songs, personal essays.

    Create artistic projects based on the themes of their goals.

    Graph student progress toward

  15. 2009 September 1 10:33 am
    knova permalink

    It will be interesting to see how many opt out on that day. Luckily my kids are all out of school and are getting their indoctrination the old fashioned way…in college.

  16. 2009 September 1 10:38 am
    Sharp2edgedsword permalink

    Whatever happened to teaching readin,writin and rithmatic ?

    No they teach Prince and Prince, and Obama Kool Aid.

    Very sad indeed.

  17. 2009 September 1 10:38 am

    Eph Rove permalink

    why not

    Should we withdraw from the world back to “fortress America”, or maintain a foreign buffer against potential enemies??

  18. 2009 September 1 10:38 am
    conservativetony permalink

    My daughter is 12 (pray for me) and my two boys too are old enough to think for themselves–at least I’ve been training them to do so.

    I called my daughter’s principal and he says he hasn’t heard anything about it, and wouldn’t comply unless it came down from the Dept of Education–which if it did would be even more troubling.

  19. 2009 September 1 10:42 am
    JustMary permalink

    I am pulling my son out of school that day if they plan on showing it. Makes me wish we still homeschooled. I am going to go bash my head against the wall now.

  20. 2009 September 1 10:45 am


    I’m being sarcastic.

    Didnt Hussein say we would be out of Iraq by now when he was campaining?

  21. 2009 September 1 10:46 am
    mulletover permalink

    I cannot see Afghanistan as a beaming democracy with commerce blooming (sans the poppy field production) regardless of the efforts of our superb military. With an idiot in the oval office, they will never get the leadership or support they need to succeed.

    I can see a limited war, suppression of the taliban and terrorists havens, and protection of the more pro-western areas and factions.

    Iraq is critical, and we cannot let it backslide. It is a fledgling democracy in a strategic region, and its independence was purchased with the sacrifice of hundreds of thousands of our military, and the lives of over 4,000 Americans.

    If Obama loses Iraq to the islamo-terrorists, it’s torches and pitchforks time.

  22. 2009 September 1 10:47 am
    conservativetony permalink

    Except, I’m sure the week-long, postermaking, decorating-the-halls Obamabration has already begun throughout Cali.

    JM, I feel for you.

  23. 2009 September 1 10:48 am

    I’m being sarcastic. EPH

    Silly me, I thought you might be chekotex in drag 🙂

  24. 2009 September 1 10:49 am
    conservativetony permalink

    Chek’s a girl?

  25. 2009 September 1 10:50 am
    Sharp2edgedsword permalink

    Per IP’s link, can anyone explain to me why we need ANY troops in Germany and Japan, let alone 73K in Germany and 40K in Japan ? WW2 ended quite a long time ago. It is way past the time for these countries be be free-riders on the USA for security.

  26. 2009 September 1 10:51 am
    JustMary permalink


    *snort* hahahahahahahahahaha

  27. 2009 September 1 10:56 am
    mulletover permalink

    I’d beef up Honduras a bit. There are some communists threats to their government coming from their neighbors.

    Including the big one from the north.

  28. 2009 September 1 10:57 am

    ” can anyone explain to me why we need ANY troops in Germany and Japan, let alone 73K in Germany and 40K in Japan ”

    Perhaps as a forward base of deployment to stave off potential enemies.

    China, N Korea, Soviets, Iran, etc. A trip wire as it were.

  29. 2009 September 1 10:58 am
    knova permalink

    Don’t bring her up. She is bragging at the other place how the only way topics get going over here is by talking about her. Posted 135 posts in 15 hours, one out of every 5 made. She is a sad little attention whore.

    I won’t talk about her anymore, and I used to defend her because we do have somewhat similar views.

  30. 2009 September 1 11:00 am

    Chek’s a girl?

    NO SIR

  31. 2009 September 1 11:01 am


    final thought…

    You ever wonder why he doesn’t post over here anymore?

    It’s not like he’s banned.


  32. 2009 September 1 11:02 am
    knova permalink

    I thought it was in “permanent moderation.” Kind of like you and me at HHR.

  33. 2009 September 1 11:02 am

    Chekotex is stuck forever on an endless mobius strip of cognitive disonance.

  34. 2009 September 1 11:08 am
    JustMary permalink

    You know what is awesome, knova? Our readership has doubled since last month when I booted her @$$. Average is 3 for new user registration every day, which is not bad for a board run by a group of average concerned citizens lacking mainstream name recognition. 380k hits for August alone. Almost 40,000 comments since January (and that is after I deleted a ton of her posts). I am pretty sure we are just fine without her. She can freaking bite me.

  35. 2009 September 1 11:10 am

  36. 2009 September 1 11:13 am
    knova permalink

    Mary – I have a lot of the same views that she does. My most epic name calling battle at the other place was with eph of all people (we both will spare you the details). I defended her and tried to make peace between the parties as political pragmatism dictates that we have a big tent. (I love Ayn Rand, but a world of black and white, pure right and pure wrong, even though the middle is pure evil, does not exist.) For my efforts she spit into the faces of everyone who did not live in her fantasyland.

    I have come to the realization that she is attention starved and not quite right in the head.

  37. 2009 September 1 11:15 am
    Sharp2edgedsword permalink

    Mary, She is driving people away from HHR and many are coming here.

  38. 2009 September 1 11:16 am
    mulletover permalink

    Obamatastic is on cable right now telling us to all wash our hands and cover our sneezes. Doesn’t he have a HHS asst asst asst asst deputy secretary capable of handling that annx.

    What a camera-hogging dip$hit.

  39. 2009 September 1 11:17 am
    Sharp2edgedsword permalink

    Although Knova and I disagree about many social issues, I find him to be quite articulate and courteous as well…

  40. 2009 September 1 11:18 am

    ” I have a lot of the same views that she does.
    I have come to the realization that she is attention starved and not quite right in the head.” ~~KNOVA

    She is a mole,and her “view” of the day is designed to sling as much crap at the wall as possible, just to watch the flies gather.She views the world through her @@s darkly.

  41. 2009 September 1 11:19 am
    knova permalink

    I was just called out at HHR. In the words of Bugs Bunny…”what a maroon”

  42. 2009 September 1 11:21 am
    mulletover permalink

    Her view of the night was her high heels in the headliner of a ’55 chevy.

  43. 2009 September 1 11:24 am
    mulletover permalink

    Off topic… the market is tanking today.

    Could be the start of the ride down the chute. Get your stops in.

  44. 2009 September 1 11:25 am

    “Although Knova and I disagree about many social issues, I find him to be quite articulate and courteous as well…”

    I agree. well said

  45. 2009 September 1 11:26 am

    I dont mind dissent. Not at all. Just dont be a horses ass about it.

  46. 2009 September 1 11:27 am

    Some of these gravatars are halarious. Can you have a XXX gravatar? LOL

  47. 2009 September 1 11:28 am
    knova permalink

    It keeps calling me out…she is ephing desperate. BTW did you catch lie last night about having adopted kids. I think that it has finally jumped the shark last night.

  48. 2009 September 1 11:28 am
    Sharp2edgedsword permalink

    O/T What do Eph, Knova and IP all have in common ?

  49. 2009 September 1 11:29 am


  50. 2009 September 1 11:30 am
    JustMary permalink

    Some of these gravatars are halarious. Can you have a XXX gravatar? LOL

    Um, no. But thank you for asking! 🙂

  51. 2009 September 1 11:31 am

    “What do Eph, Knova and IP all have in common ?”

    Got me bro

  52. 2009 September 1 11:32 am

  53. 2009 September 1 11:32 am
    JustMary permalink

    I have been wanting to change my avatar, but can’t find one I like. This one looks absolutely nothing like me….but she looks like she could be Thor’s kid, so it stuck.

  54. 2009 September 1 11:32 am
    knova permalink

    What did IP get banned for. I got it for insulting the pet skunk, but just from home.

  55. 2009 September 1 11:34 am
    mulletover permalink

    IP IP, oh now I see
    with verse after verse, and all of it free
    When he comes forth with the magnificent imagery
    I can see right through to the strategery
    Then I feel oh so very smart
    All because of the poetry of one old fart.

  56. 2009 September 1 11:35 am

    IP got banned for being mean to the homos. Gay marriage etc. I think I might have called wissing a wussie. 🙂

  57. 2009 September 1 11:36 am

    52. dead link

  58. 2009 September 1 11:36 am
    JustMary permalink

    IP IP, oh now I see
    with verse after verse, and all of it free
    When he comes forth with the magnificent imagery
    I can see right through to the strategery
    Then I feel oh so very smart
    All because of the poetry of one old fart.

    That was pretty good! Now if only RWY will come along and write a poem about IP so I can have a second place winner. 😛

  59. 2009 September 1 11:37 am
    knova permalink

    Gays don’t bother me. One of them was giving a good spanking to our girl last night. it was hilarious. Calls himself TCGA, the conservative gay avenger.

  60. 2009 September 1 11:38 am

    59. LOL.

    knova – go bring TGCA over here!

  61. 2009 September 1 11:39 am
    JustMary permalink

    Anyone else read Gay Patriot’s blog? He is wonderful!

  62. 2009 September 1 11:41 am
    knova permalink

    I like TGCA, but his post are way to long. I like the bullet point version.

  63. 2009 September 1 11:43 am
    Sharp2edgedsword permalink

    Mary, I really like your current avatar. TGCA is a gay conservative, very articulate. I like the guy.

  64. 2009 September 1 11:45 am

    New avatars for JM

    THIS ~~~or

  65. 2009 September 1 11:45 am
    Sharp2edgedsword permalink

    ip’s link is dead for me also. i am using ie8. maybe w firefox it will work.

  66. 2009 September 1 11:45 am
    Sharp2edgedsword permalink

    knova needs an avatar.

  67. 2009 September 1 11:45 am
    janzam permalink

    The following are two good reads:

    While it is too early to tell, there appears to be a trend forming where those who somewhat approve of Obama are peeling off into either the strongly approve or somewhat disapprove camps. This should trouble the politicos inside the administration, as trends also indicate that people in the somewhat disapprove category are moving steadily to the strongly disapprove category. In eight months, nearly 40% of the electorate has gravitated from strongly approve to strongly disapprove. That is staggering and merely reflects people understanding that this “clean articulate black guy” actually does believe in the precepts of Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, Saul Alinsky, etc. Those positions were never popular with Americans.

    Obama’s ratings shrinking and firming American Thinker Link

    It therefore shouldn’t come as a surprise that the mainstream media and their stable of Beltway pundits missed the boat on the public’s reaction to Obama’s health care offensive. Chatting mostly among themselves, susceptible to (if not anxious to pass on) Democratic talking points, and devoid of many (any?) conservative colleagues willing to challenge their assumptions, they are easily blindsided when reality intervenes.

    So when looking for the next major news development or the next stumbling block for Obama, think about what’s not on the front pages of the major newspapers or on the cable or network evening news. Chances are, whatever the mainstream media is ignoring is the next really big story.

    Media stunned as ObamaCare unravels PJ Media — Jennifer Rubin

  68. 2009 September 1 11:46 am
    Sharp2edgedsword permalink

    IP, I like BOTH your choices for new mary avatars.

  69. 2009 September 1 11:47 am

    Once more into the breach:

    Eph, Knova and IP

  70. 2009 September 1 11:48 am

    70. damn halarious

  71. 2009 September 1 11:48 am
    JustMary permalink

    New avatars for JM

    Never saw myself as having shiny metal boobies before….thanks, IP! 🙂

  72. 2009 September 1 11:52 am


  73. 2009 September 1 11:56 am
    conservativetony permalink

    Saw a bumper sticker the other day that I wanted to remember. I knew if I didn’t write it down, I would forget it–and–I forgot it.

    It goes something like: “Fighting without artlillery is nothing but a brawl”

    If anybody knows the exact quote, please post it.

  74. 2009 September 1 12:00 pm

    73. heh

    There once was a twirp named chek
    who lived at home with his niece
    He once was sconed
    and now wears horns
    who posts as a woman againt the unborn

  75. 2009 September 1 12:00 pm

  76. 2009 September 1 12:00 pm

    scorned, not sconed

  77. 2009 September 1 12:00 pm

  78. 2009 September 1 12:02 pm
    JustMary permalink

    I found a new avatar just now. Changed it, but it may take a while to show up.

  79. 2009 September 1 12:02 pm

    What do Eph, Knova and IP all have in common ???

    we are waiting~~~~~~

  80. 2009 September 1 12:04 pm
    knova permalink

    the NOVA in KNOVA is northern VA. I will try to come up with something that fits me.

  81. 2009 September 1 12:05 pm

    80. banned from the HHR?

  82. 2009 September 1 12:06 pm
    knova permalink

    …Alright Johnny, tell him what he has won.

  83. 2009 September 1 12:07 pm

    Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be a vulgar brawl.”

  84. 2009 September 1 12:09 pm
    mpthompson permalink

    To me, neither Health Care, Cap & Trade nor Afghanistan will be as nearly big issues for the Democrats in 2010 or Obama in 2012 as the overall economy as measured firstly by unemployment and secondly by the stock market. If under Obama’s watch unemployment somehow gets back below 6% or so he will be re-elected in 2012 regardless of what happens with these other issues. However, the more likely scenario is the economy entering a very lengthy malaise with unemployment continuing to rise well into next year and perhaps 2011 as well. Anything above 9% to 10% lasting into 2012 will be the death knell for Obama. Needless to say, a double dip recession will certainly be a disaster for the Democrats come election time. The gray area will be unemployment between 6% and 8% and a fairly flat market for the next three years.

    The strongest platform the Republicans can run on is a pro-growth platform and hitting Obama hard on his handouts to special interest groups that have done nothing for the economy. Such a pro-growth platform can have all the elements needed to attract conservatives back into the fold — smaller government (let’s actually eliminate some departments for once), low taxes, balanced budget and free market solutions to health care and energy production.

  85. 2009 September 1 12:09 pm

    Avatar for northern virginia

  86. 2009 September 1 12:11 pm

    Avatar for northern virginia

  87. 2009 September 1 12:11 pm
    knova permalink

    How does one add an avitar

  88. 2009 September 1 12:11 pm
    knova permalink

    86 – That is West Virginia.

  89. 2009 September 1 12:15 pm
    JustMary permalink

    gravatar.com but keep in mind that it can take up to a couple hours to show up.

  90. 2009 September 1 12:18 pm
    mpthompson permalink

    Knova, to add an avitar:

    Select an image you would like to use and save it to your computer. Usually ‘right-clicking’ the image and selecting “Save Image As…” in the menu should do that for you.

    Then visit http://www.gravatar.com/ and sign-up for an account using the email address you use for posting to this and other blogs. There, you can then upload your selected image to your Gravatar account. Gravatar has tools that will let you crop the image as needed so you don’t need to do that before uploading.

    Once done, your new avatar should show up pretty quickly here. However, you may need to refresh your browser cache to see it.

  91. 2009 September 1 12:19 pm
    knova permalink

    “Such a pro-growth platform can have all the elements needed to attract conservatives back into the fold — smaller government (let’s actually eliminate some departments for once), low taxes, balanced budget and free market solutions to health care and energy production.”

    The only thing that I would argue is that unfortunately, given the size of our current deficits and growth in entitlements, and interest on debt I am not sure that we can both lower taxes and balance the budget. We should look at killing as many non-essential things that we can, then replace the income tax with some kind of consumption tax. Short of that you have to go after entitlements and that means seniors. Nor sure how you do that and stay in power.

  92. 2009 September 1 12:19 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be a vulgar brawl.”

    That is an awesome quote. Thanks, IP

  93. 2009 September 1 12:26 pm



  94. 2009 September 1 12:31 pm


  95. 2009 September 1 12:38 pm
    mpthompson permalink

    I am not sure that we can both lower taxes and balance the budget.

    As far as I can tell, we only have two options for ultimately balancing the budget. We either put the policies in place that will robustly grow the economy so that the entitlements become a small percentage of the overall economy or we inflate currency so that current obligations are paid for with massively deflated dollars. Keeping taxes in place that punish innovation and success in the economy will prevent growth leaving inflation as the only option.

    Short of that you have to go after entitlements and that means seniors. Nor sure how you do that and stay in power.

    With regards to seniors, the current plan seems to be to just let Medicare and Social Security collapse from insolvency. I don’t think the younger generations will allow themselves to be taxed at the rates required to keep those programs solvent. A day of reckoning is coming and it won’t be pretty.

  96. 2009 September 1 12:52 pm
    HalJordan permalink

    Saw a bumper sticker the other day that I wanted to remember. I knew if I didn’t write it down, I would forget it–and–I forgot it.

    It goes something like: “Fighting without artlillery is nothing but a brawl”

    If anybody knows the exact quote, please post it.

    A battery of artillery is worth a thousand muskets. (William Tecumseh Sherman)

  97. 2009 September 1 1:07 pm
    Sharp2edgedsword permalink

    the answer was BANNED from HHR. I thought you already knew that.

  98. 2009 September 1 1:15 pm
    janzam permalink

    Judd Gregg seems to have nothing to lose now that he is exiting the Senate after his term is up. Maybe that is why he feels free to turn the heat up on the dims should they try turning to reconciliation in passing HC.

    Sen. Judd Gregg has hundreds of procedural objections ready for a healthcare plan Democrats want to speed through the Senate.

    GOP readies wave of objections to stall healthcare bill in Senate The Hill

    H/t Hotair

  99. 2009 September 1 1:16 pm
    judyt2009 permalink

    Thoughts for today….

    (1) JustMary … thanks for giving Chekote the boot. She/he is the main reason I was able to disappear so easily for the last few months. I just didn’t have the energy to deal with her/his nonsense.

    (2) So let’s stop chatting about the attention starved perfector of cognitive dissonance. I know I accused her/him/it of exactly that on several occasions. Nice to see that Doctor Judy’s diagnosis was validated by a second opinion…LOL…

    (3) Last night Dick Morris told Hannity that ZERO has lost the support of 1 of 8 of Democrats that voted for him. We know that the +40% shift of approve to disapprove includes many of the independent voters, but I find it amazing that 12.5% of the 38% registered Democrat has also bailed on the ZERO.

    (4) Victor David Hanson has posted over at the NRO corner remarks on ZERO also dropping in his likeable factor and the perpetual whine … “it’s all Bush’s fault” is wearing very thin with the American public. The logic isn’t there. Okay, so maybe Afghanistan did take a back seat to Iraq … but as VDH points out…. More US soldiers have died during Obama’s first 6 months that all of 2008.

    (5) At some point ZERO needs to man up and accept responsibility. ZERO can continue to whine and blame President Bush… but I believe he has already past the point where that is an acceptable argument with everyone but the most rabid BDS sufferers. ZERO managed to garner substantial support because a large segment or the swing voters were angry/dissatisfied with POTUS Bush. These voters bought into the Obama mantra that he was the non-Bush and could fix all those things that Bush broke and all those things broken in Washington. ZERO’s continued whine that “it’s worse than I thought” and “it’s all Bush’s fault” only makes ZERO look like exactly what he is … an incompetent, inexperienced leader who is unprepared to deal with the problems we face. Those independent and swing voters are not going to give OBAMA a pass. Instead they are going to think they knew it was a mess and Obama was suppose to be this super intelligent guy who claimed he could fix it but now he is telling me that he didn’t understand as much as I did. Maybe he isn’t so smart after all.

    Just as Obama does not understand the American psyche because he spent his first 10 years indoctrinated by a foreign culture, it also appears that he does not understand the human nature either. Most human beings have more experience with being disappointed by our fellow man than being pleasantly surprised. Most human beings start out giving each other the benefit of the doubt that people and things are as advertised. Be it the new employee with the wonderful resume, the fantastic toy advertised on the cereal box, or the movie trailer that touts the best picture of the year most of us know what it is to discover that employee’s brightest achievement was their resume, the actual mass of molded plastic is nothing like the picture, and the best parts of the movie were the trailer clips. The swing has already started. All that hope is now being seen as just hype… and the change has become chaos.

    Fool me once — shame on you… fool me twice… shame on me… and most aren’t so willing to be fooled the second time.

  100. 2009 September 1 1:28 pm
    Sharp2edgedsword permalink

    mp, excellent posts-85 and 95. Social security and medicare are huge problems going forward. I believe entitlements consume as much as 40% of the budget. There are no easy answers.

  101. 2009 September 1 1:32 pm
    Sharp2edgedsword permalink

    Obama is likely also losing some support among his rabid base, especially the kossacks, as he backpedals on the public option and also due to his sending more troops to Afghanistan.

  102. 2009 September 1 1:35 pm
    bc3b permalink

    As someone who has battled Chekote for two years, I firmly believe there’s no way she could be a man. Few men are as impassioned about abortion as Chekote. The tone of her hatred of Sarah Palin further indicates to me that she is a woman. Many liberal women look at Sarah Palin and then look at themselves in the mirror and don’t like what they see.

  103. 2009 September 1 1:40 pm
    knova permalink

    102 – We compared her accomplishments to Sarah Palin’s last night, given that she speaks 3 languages and has 2 degrees. She went over the edge and couldn’t handle it. BTW I have totaled up her post over last night and today and she makes 1 out of every 5 there and was on for 15 hours yesterday alone.

  104. 2009 September 1 1:42 pm
    bc3b permalink

  105. 2009 September 1 1:44 pm
    judyt2009 permalink

    bcb3 —- if che is male he definitely isn’t a Man… at least not how I, and most conservative women,define Man. Metro sexuals need not apply….LOL…

  106. 2009 September 1 1:45 pm
    judyt2009 permalink

    Let’s talk about ZERO … not che….

    Another CNN oversampled Democrats poll came out… so substract at least 5% from their results… doesn’t look good for the ZERO… if his numbers keep dropping like this his approval will be as big a goose egg as his logo….

  107. 2009 September 1 1:47 pm

    “BTW I have totaled up her post over last night and today and she makes 1 out of every 5 there and was on for 15 hours yesterday alone.”

    Maybe she’s with Dave, if you know what I mean…

  108. 2009 September 1 1:48 pm


    At least 5%

  109. 2009 September 1 1:48 pm
    knova permalink

    106 – What is his theoretical floor? That is the bitter enders who would support him no matter what.

  110. 2009 September 1 1:50 pm
    JustMary permalink

    I honestly think he will be around 35% by year’s end.

  111. 2009 September 1 1:52 pm
    bc3b permalink

    In addition to HHR Chekote posts heavily at New Minority. I just checked and on a Will/Afghanistan article 14 of 40 comments are hers.

    Well, that’s one site she can’t stink up. But she should fit right in: mostly RINOs and Democrats and 95% hate Palin.

  112. 2009 September 1 1:55 pm
    bc3b permalink

    I have never seen a President sink as quickly as Obama has (particularly with non-stop media adoration). Imagine where his ratings would be if the press was actually doing its job!!!

  113. 2009 September 1 2:03 pm
    brucefdb permalink

    Imagine how many liberals would be in Congress if the Media actually did its job? They would be the permanent minority. But that dream is not likely to occur in our lifetime.

    What is HHR?

  114. 2009 September 1 2:10 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Hedge Hog Report. I didn’t know until yesterday either.

  115. 2009 September 1 2:15 pm

    ANY poll that has more than D+3 as the sampling matrix, in my opinion, is bogus. There is no way the DEMs should have any advantage over the GOP right now – especially presidential polling. I think RAS is at D+6 these days on his tracking poll. So you might subtract a point or two from his tracking poll.

  116. 2009 September 1 2:18 pm
    justrand permalink

    Justmary…I like the new gravatar. I suspect Mr. Justmary will too! 🙂

    Sadly, I believe the media will keep our Dear Leader above 40%..and I wouldn’t be suprised if they manage to re-invent him and boost him back in the 50s. All depends on the economy, and the “intangible something” that is, I believe, gonna happen by year’s end. Whether that someting is Israel taking out Iran, N.Korea lobbing a missile at S. Korea, or something else…but I do think something is just around the corner. And THEN I expect Barry to flex his “Emergency Powers”.

    just my $.02

  117. 2009 September 1 2:26 pm
    judyt2009 permalink

    Obama will retain the support of black voters regardless of what he does or says. (think OJ Simpson and Michael Jackson) Okay… maybe 1% or 2% will peel away. So Obama will always have this solid 13% support. However, he is losing big with the older half so expect at least half of these group to reverse their support. You can also expect maybe 10% the support from the younger segment to peel away just as they wise up with experience.

    Obama’s absolute floor is about 25%. He would have to do something even more boneheaded (is that racist) to drop to this absolute floor 25%. I would guess that he will never drop below 38% and more of this power grab and continued insulting of your average American will have to happen before it reaches that level.

  118. 2009 September 1 2:29 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Speaking of the economy Justrand. In an AP article that I can’t quote NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is telling NFL fans to prepare for blackouts this season (and we’re NOT just talking Detroit Lions).

    I went the Lions Exhibition game Saturday (free tickets). The stadium was about half full. TV timeouts are horrible without cheerleaders. But, the Leos have a new attraction this year: an idiot in a hard hat who sings the Lions new fight song whenever they score (which fortunately isn’t often).

  119. 2009 September 1 2:31 pm
    phineas gage permalink

    Speaking of which…

    AP also notes some analysis stating that if the marxist falls below 42%, retake of the House is likely.

    Does anyone think he is not going to be below that level soon?

    I believe he will rebound somewhat and reelection is probably still likely (barring the GOP getting its act together), but this continued free fall is dooming his legislative agenda.

  120. 2009 September 1 2:34 pm
    phineas gage permalink

    What do you think of Matt Stafford, bc?

    I’m rooting for the kid and actually think he’ll do pretty well.

    I would like to see the Lions win in my lifetime. I say that as a Patriots fan who watched a bumbling laughingstock for several decades transform into a leviathan. Anything is possible.

  121. 2009 September 1 2:39 pm
    phineas gage permalink

    Just saw that the Lions claimed QB Kevin O’Connell, recently cut by the Pats.

    That could be a very good move.

  122. 2009 September 1 2:42 pm
    bc3b permalink

    It’s hard to tell in exhibition season. Stafford looked good Saturday. Culpepper looked shakey. Stanton actually looked the best of the three (TD and 2 point conversion), but he was facing (and throwing to) second and third stringers.

    Personally I think I would have picked Sanchez. Remember, today’s retirees were just making their first communions the last time the Lions were champions.

    Had Joe Montana or Dan Marino been drafted by the Lions, they would be a parapalegics instead of a Hall od Famers today.

    They were frisking everyone on the way into the stadium. Why? Millen is gone.

  123. 2009 September 1 2:58 pm
    mpthompson permalink

    AP also notes some analysis stating that if the marxist falls below 42%, retake of the House is likely.

    I can still see the House being taken if Captain Bullshit (love that title) stays above 42%. The reason I say this is that for some reason people may like him personally, but are down on his policies. I believe this helps to hold up his numbers to a significant degree. If this is true, then I don’t see him really helping the Rats hold onto the House if they stay on the current their current course.

  124. 2009 September 1 3:14 pm
    janzam permalink

    Obama will retain the support of black voters regardless of what he does or says. —> Judy

    Today heard that 21% of blacks who voted for Obama were very disappointed in him, having “buyer’s remorse” was one comment. While, 4% were somewhat disappointed in his performance.

    This is a factor of 25%, when you add the two together. That’s a lot!

  125. 2009 September 1 3:23 pm

    buyer’s remorse” was one comment.~~~JAN

    They are only remorseful because the goodies haven’t been coming fast enough.

  126. 2009 September 1 3:30 pm
    brucefdb permalink

    That 21% Jan are simply irritated that Mugabe style reparations havent been made quite yet.

  127. 2009 September 1 4:17 pm
    RepublicanPundit permalink

    IP, which on of the three dogs is which?


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