Even The Goons And Thugs Are Opposed

2009 October 13
by MFG

The unions are opposed to the Baucus bill, check Drudge for the AP article

HellCare will fail!!

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  1. 2009 October 13 2:11 pm
    janzam permalink


    Can’t find the AP article you cited here. What does appear to be happening is the insurance companies stepping up to the plate in their protest over Obamacare —> big time!

    The dims have the votes, but it is at the displeaseure of the people! It will be interesting to see if any of this matters to the more centrist dims.

  2. 2009 October 13 2:24 pm
    justrand permalink

    MFG, I read the article, and focused on THE key sentence:

    unions will oppose the measure on the Senate floor unless improvements are made

    The tragic reality is that “improvements” WILL BE made…most likely in the dead of night. The final Bill will have a provision that excludes the Unions from the “Cadillac Plan” provision…and maybe more.

    The Union ad campaign is just to force the “improvements

  3. 2009 October 13 2:27 pm
    MFG permalink

    Yes, but every thing they change for one group loses the support of another group

    Too many moving parts…!!!

  4. 2009 October 13 2:35 pm

    They have the votes, and the unions are the demo party base. It can only go more LEFT from here. THEY HAVE THE VOTES.


  5. 2009 October 13 2:59 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    MFG, believer until the end….. He would have denied the Titanic was sinking, I’ll bet.

    The bill will pass, and it will be essentially the house bill.

  6. 2009 October 13 3:01 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    And who cares? They are going to pass cap and trade, a version of card check, and maybe amnesty too.

    It doesn’t make sense, but it’s clear that sense is not a part of this equation.

  7. 2009 October 13 3:02 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    For example: How do the Dems like Bayh and Baucus do this, looking at Reid’s poll numbers?

    How does Lincoln do it?

    It just goes to show, they vote and worry about re-election later…..

    And how does Snowe call herself a small gov, fiscal con now? How does she say “my party left me” when she just left it in front of the whole world?

  8. 2009 October 13 3:04 pm

    How does she say “my party left me” when she just left it in front of the whole world? RWY

    The bitch was never a party, to our party.

  9. 2009 October 13 3:05 pm

    She comes from a state that idolizes the two homos ben and jerry.

  10. 2009 October 13 3:12 pm
    justrand permalink

    rwy: “For example: How do the Dems like Bayh and Baucus do this, looking at Reid’s poll numbers? How does Lincoln do it? It just goes to show, they vote and worry about re-election later…..”


    When you control the media, ACORN (or its new manifestation), and all other levers of power and are NOT afraid to wield them!, then you have a reasonable assurance you can manage to get reelected.

    Reid, for example, will ram all this through THIS year…and next year will be given permission to “disagree with Obama” publicly…and thus will be portrayed as a CENTRIST!! And the media will swallow and re-pedal this!

  11. 2009 October 13 3:14 pm
    mpthompson permalink

    When the GOP calls us asking for money we must insist that no money will be forthcoming until turncoats such as Snow are physically booted from the party. If the party can’t enforce discipline at the grossest level then it is good for nothing.

  12. 2009 October 13 3:15 pm
    brucefdb permalink

    I will agree with MFG only to the extent that it isnt over until it’s over. The only ones that can stop this are Democrats. It isnt likely.

  13. 2009 October 13 3:17 pm

    Here is an e mail for the rep nat comm~~~~info@gop.com

    Tell them not another dime until snowe is gone from the party.

  14. 2009 October 13 3:19 pm
    MI Conservative permalink

    If you are a political junkie the next month or two is going to be interesting.
    Move to the left of the Baucus Bill and Blue Dogs and moderates leave. Even Snowe was on record against the Public Option. Move to the right liberals refuse to sign on.

    As I posted on an earlier thread today. I can see Lincoln, Landrieu, Snowe, and others vote yes because it keeps them as a player.

    Right now they are testing the waters with this vote and what the voters say. They can change their vote later and say how they are voting the way their people want them to and be a hero and sail to re-election.

    Politics as usual. Too bad they can’t just represent their voters and follow the Constitution.

  15. 2009 October 13 3:21 pm
    MI Conservative permalink

    I still have not been able to get through to Snowe’s office. (3 hours) I hope they are getting an earful from MAINE voters.

  16. 2009 October 13 3:28 pm

  17. 2009 October 13 3:33 pm
    justrand permalink

    and while all this was happening a little rider to the Defense appropriations Bill went floating by. “Hate Speech” just got re-defined as WHATEVER SOMEONE WANTS IT TO MEAN if they can claim to be part of a “protected group”!

    No, Christians are NOT “protected”…sorry.

    The language of this rider, which will become law, will eventually be used by the Obama Regime to silence every single voice they don’t like. They won’t have to just rail against FoxNews…they can accuse them of HATE SPEECH!

    I pray someone immediately files to the Supreme Court for a stay…and that the case is bumped to the front of the line. Otherwise, the 1st Amendment just took the biggest imaginable hit!

    Speech won’t be FREE…it will be illegal.

  18. 2009 October 13 3:45 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    If this committee is just like the Judiciary in that it has to have at least one Republican voting YES in order for bills to move out, then Drudge has it wrong. The correct wording should be “Approved by Snowe.”

    These so-called Republicans are worthless. Does Snowe have any opposition to speak of?

  19. 2009 October 13 3:48 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    The final Bill will have a provision that excludes the Unions from the “Cadillac Plan” provision…and maybe more. — JR

    Probably try, but the courts will probably strike it on 14th Amend. grounds.

  20. 2009 October 13 3:50 pm
    Jay permalink

    No, Tony. She never will. There’s no Republican in the state who could take her down in a primary, and after Susan Collins obliterated the best the Dems had to throw against her in a solid year for them, they won’t risk trying to take her down. The Turncoat B**** is safe.

  21. 2009 October 13 3:56 pm

    She isn’t safe if enough repubs in the state vote for the demokrat. She isn’t safe if the senate gop had the balls to strip her of seniority.

  22. 2009 October 13 3:56 pm
    bc3b permalink

    If you are watching FNC, there are DIMs talking about changes to make health care more all-encompassing, not water it doen. Bill Nelson (D-FL) said he is optomistic about getting the public option in.

  23. 2009 October 13 3:58 pm
    Jay permalink

    Well, IP, none of us are safe if aliens from Arcturus invade. That’s as likely as Snowe’s losing an election though.

  24. 2009 October 13 3:59 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    By the way Beck today called Dunn’s bluff. He has a red phone sitting on the set. She has the number. Beck is inviting her to in real time object to and rebut anything he says. A nice nice counter device if there ever was one.

    What’s that old saying — ‘silence is compliance’. Heh.

  25. 2009 October 13 4:00 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Justrand and Justmary –

    You are our leaders. Can you start contacting other conservative blogs about working together to have common action and direction. Obviously, some would be out – McCain is AllahPundit’s kind of Republican and Heffer McCain is his kind of woman (until she wants to be on top).

  26. 2009 October 13 4:01 pm
    conservativetony permalink

    “The Turncoat B**** is safe.”


    Well at least the Democrats and Republicans can agree on one thing: We both want to take Republicans out.

  27. 2009 October 13 4:03 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Chris Christie is only up by 1%, according to a poll I just saw. I almost hope the fat RINO bastard loses.
    Fixed it.

  28. 2009 October 13 4:05 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Whold anyone disagree with this statement? Olympia Snowe is the world’s ugliest whore.

  29. 2009 October 13 4:07 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Well if the Dims pass the Crap and Tax bill, christie probably will lose. All those northern republicans who vote in two states won’t make it next round. Gas will be $6-7/gal so they just might stay home next year.

  30. 2009 October 13 4:10 pm
    Jay permalink

    I’d rather see Dems lose, Tony. Snowe is one Republican I wouldn’t see losing after this travesty though. I might as well wish to be Emperor of China though.

  31. 2009 October 13 4:11 pm
    justrand permalink

    bc3b…that’s exactly the kind of direct alliance we need. I like the look of the new “Keep America Safe” site, and a few others. Links to other sites are nice…and we need more…but direct collaboration would be better!

    we’ll work on it! 🙂

  32. 2009 October 13 4:12 pm
    janzam permalink

    Politics as usual. Too bad they can’t just represent their voters and follow the Constitution.

    MI — It’s the most concise, and simply stated best statement on this thread!

  33. 2009 October 13 4:18 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Oh boy, the GOP has a new website. Do we dare go into the discussion forums and lay into ‘our betters’?

  34. 2009 October 13 4:21 pm
    Jay permalink

    Bad as they are, Dog, they’re lightyears better than the Dems.

  35. 2009 October 13 4:22 pm
    janzam permalink

    This was a comment posted on an article about Snowe’s HC vote.

    Reply 2 – Posted by: lakerman1, 10/13/2009 3:29:09 PM (No. 5941851)

    Fox News is reporting that snowe voted for it to move it out of committee, in order to get a CBO scoring on it. If the CBO is honest, it will be, at minimum, a one trillion dollar hit. And if alot of employers bail out of health care, closer to a two trillion dollar hit. Seriously.
    And if medicare cuts dr/hospital reimbursements, my family physician, with thirty years practice, will quit medicine. As will thousands of other physicians, and many rural hospitals will close.


  36. 2009 October 13 4:23 pm
    fedupartist permalink

    Chris Christie is only up by 1%, according to a poll I just saw. I almost hope the fat RINO bastard loses.
    Fixed it.


    NJ can burn for all I care.

    Go Corzine!

  37. 2009 October 13 4:24 pm
    Jay permalink

    I have a different take on a Christie victory: It could probably scare the Dems about trying to pass this Obamacare sham.

  38. 2009 October 13 4:24 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Jay –

    Here’s a challenge. Show me how Olympia Snowe (acu rating: 12) is better than Mary Landrieu (acu rating: 32).

  39. 2009 October 13 4:28 pm
    bc3b permalink

    “NJ can burn for all I care.”

    Like Detroit, burning it down woluld qualify as urban renewal.

  40. 2009 October 13 4:30 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Speaking of RINOs, Arnold’s approval rating is 27% and the GOP Establishment wants Meg Whitman, an even bigger RINO, as its 2010 candidate.

  41. 2009 October 13 4:31 pm
    Jay permalink

    Um, Bc, to me they’re equally bad. As a whole though, the Republican Party is better than the Dems. At least a few laissez faire types exist in the GOP. Not a god damn one exists in the Dem Party.

  42. 2009 October 13 4:33 pm
    Jay permalink

    By the way, BC, did you not notice my laments further up the thread about how Snowe is safe in the Senate despite this treachery?

  43. 2009 October 13 4:33 pm
    janzam permalink


    Snowe has a lifetime acu rating of 47.88. She is low for being a Republican, but there are few dims with as high of rating as hers.

    Compare this with some “moderate” dims:
    Lincoln —> 18.7
    Nelson —-> 37.28
    Bayh ——> 20.70

    It bares consideration.

  44. 2009 October 13 4:36 pm
    Jay permalink

    Which Nelson is that, Janzam? God, I hope the Republicans can get a strong challenger for Bayh. They need to do to him what they did to his father 30 years ago.

  45. 2009 October 13 4:37 pm
    drdog09 permalink

  46. 2009 October 13 4:37 pm
    janzam permalink

    BTW — McCain’s acu rating is 81.43…not the highest, but far, far better than the average dim.

  47. 2009 October 13 4:38 pm
    janzam permalink


    here is the Link

  48. 2009 October 13 4:40 pm
    Jay permalink

    Thanks, Jan.

  49. 2009 October 13 4:40 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    It bears consideration. ….

    Unfortunately, her ACU rating the last 3 years is far below 48, Jan.

    But, there’s nothing we can really do about it.

    time is better spent getting rid of Red state Dems.

  50. 2009 October 13 4:41 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Again, McCain’s 2007 ACU rating was 64, not 82…..

    all these rinos go left as the years go on. Lifetime rating is not really honest…..

  51. 2009 October 13 4:42 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    It’s funny, even as the rinos, betray us, there are those right on this site who go to bat for them.

    Even as they enact the Dem’s agenda…… They still get support from posters here.

  52. 2009 October 13 4:44 pm
    Jay permalink

    Unfortunately they get some cover because those on the other side of the aisle are even worse. That DOES NOT excuse Snowe’s treasonous vote today though, RWY.

  53. 2009 October 13 4:45 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    And McCain should be primaried out, his seat would be won by a conservative.

    Remember, we only have to tolerate BLUE STATE RINOS.

    There is no need to insult us by going to bat for RED STATE RINOS, because we know who would win Graham/McCain/Hatch/Hagel seats should they be primaried out.

    Just as there is no point in getting all in a lather about Snowe, there is no need to embarrass yourself by endorsing red state rinos who would give their seat up to a conservative should they be primaried…..

  54. 2009 October 13 4:46 pm
    bc3b permalink

    McCain’s 2008 acu rating was 63. If you follow RINOs (a nasty, messy job, but someone has to do it. McCain, Murkowski, Lugar – they all have gotten worse as time goes on. Snowe’s 2008 acu rating was 12, below Harry Reid and Barack Obama.


  55. 2009 October 13 4:46 pm
    Jay permalink

    Red-state Dems are also a bane, RWY. There are too many of them, and every damn one is a left-winger who pretends to be somewhat conservative every election cycle.

  56. 2009 October 13 4:47 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    for the last time: The only reason to tolerate blue state rinos is if their seat would go to a dem….

    Red state rinos, and red state dems, should be pursued relentlessly….

  57. 2009 October 13 4:47 pm

    Well, IP, none of us are safe if aliens from Arcturus invade


    As it is, we are surrounded by the liberals from uranus.

  58. 2009 October 13 4:47 pm
    Jay permalink

    Amen, RWY.

  59. 2009 October 13 4:49 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Jay, you are right.

    One day, if we ever get to the point of sucessfully kicking out the Red state rinos and red state Dems, THEN we can go after the Snowe types, careful of the effect on the Senate.

    For now, we can’t afford to lose seats. Unless you want to use Phineas’ clarity argument, which makes sense except that if you can control the Senate most of this crap would not come up for a vote anyway…..

  60. 2009 October 13 4:51 pm
    janzam permalink

    Even as they enact the Dem’s agenda…… They still get support from posters here.

    For me rwy, it’s less supporting any RINO’s agenda than looking at the make-up of the Senate and knowing how bad the rest of the Congress is.

  61. 2009 October 13 4:52 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    And of course rinos like Specter and snowe, and collins, and Crist, can switch parties any time, and this should not be treated as remarkable.

    The challenge right now is to get the r party fighting again, and moving slowly to the right and towards smallgov and personal freedoms.

    Let’s get some small things going before we move onto big things.

    McCain’s moderate push in the GOP needs to be stuffed, with extreme prejudice….

  62. 2009 October 13 4:53 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Jan, you are a sweet lady and I love you, but you are wrong about McCain, he is poison to the GOP, I am certain of it…..

  63. 2009 October 13 4:55 pm
    brucefdb permalink

    Jan is right about Snowe in comment 35, and it is no certainty she will vote for whatever the final bill is. I suspect she will vote against it.

    I agree with RWY that we need to focus on Rinos in Red States. Rinos in blue states are whatever they are. It is the McCains and the Grahams that the media use….Red State Rinos are the worst and that is where our focus should be because we might actually make some headway.

    Remember, McCain gave us Campaign Finance Reform….it was unforgivable and I still convinced myself to vote for him in 08. What a mess.

  64. 2009 October 13 4:55 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Jan, I just don’t believe McCain is an honest, good hearted person. Plain and simple.

    You don’t say that we have nothing to worry about from an Obama presidency, if you are honest.
    You don’t say that opponents of amnesty are racist bigots, if you’re honest.
    Nor do you attack your own party members who tell the truth, if you’re honest.

    the fact is McCain’s seat would serve us better if a conservative held it, and there is NO REASON to support McCain.

  65. 2009 October 13 4:55 pm

    A salesman goes up to a house and knocks on the front door. It’s
    opened by a little ten year-old boy who has a lighted cigar in one hand, a
    glass of whiskey in the other and a Penthouse magazine tucked under his arm.

    Salesman: “Hello son. Is your mom or dad home?”

    Little boy: “What the f**k do you think?”

  66. 2009 October 13 4:56 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Remember, McCain gave us Campaign Finance Reform….it was unforgivable and I still convinced myself to vote for him in 08

    Yeah. Awful huh? I know the feeling. I wanted to vote for Sarah, that’s all.

  67. 2009 October 13 4:57 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    IP, and what is the moral of your little story? lol…..

  68. 2009 October 13 4:58 pm
    bc3b permalink

    The followingt Dims scored higher acu ratings than Snowe in 2008: Obama, Bayh, Landrieu, Klobuchar, McCaskill, Tester, Nelson Ben, Reid, Feingold.

    Whitehouse, whom MFG constantly rails against and calls a commie, scored an 8, only 4% below Snowe. Lincoln Chaffee was so wonderful. Hitlery was11%, 1% worse than Snowe. Yes, Olympia Snowe is that liberal. Janzam, how can she be much worse?

    Plus she’s so ugly that she makes Claire McKaskill look like Sarah Palin (by comparison).

  69. 2009 October 13 4:58 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Jan, I apologize if I sound condescending, that was not my intent……

  70. 2009 October 13 4:58 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    I just cannot view McCain as a friend. The trail is too clear, imo…..

  71. 2009 October 13 5:00 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    well, people cannot help their appearances……it matter what they do, not what they look like…..

    If Sarah was less charming than she is, but reliably conservative, I’d still love her…

  72. 2009 October 13 5:01 pm

    When the cat’s away the mice will play.

  73. 2009 October 13 5:02 pm
    janzam permalink

    offf to dinner …..

  74. 2009 October 13 5:03 pm


  75. 2009 October 13 5:06 pm
    MFG permalink

    I still don’t think they’ll get to 60

  76. 2009 October 13 5:07 pm
    MFG permalink

    And a NJ win on top of VA (which looks to be in the bag) would fire a shot across the bow of the Communists

  77. 2009 October 13 5:07 pm
    MFG permalink

    Of course it’s NJ where Republican electoral hopes go to die

  78. 2009 October 13 5:08 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    MFG, they are writing the bill after they vote on it. They have set it up to thread the needle, everyone gets plausible deniability….

    It passes, easily. There were those who said the bill would not make it out of committee, yet it easily did.

    And if they don’t have 60, they’ll attach it to a funding bill and pass it with 51…

    It passes, straight into the teeth of 65% opposition, in the middle of a depression…..

  79. 2009 October 13 5:10 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Who cares what happens in NJ? Do you think that if Christie wins, things will improve in NJ? What a joke…

    It is remarkable that, like MI and CA, no matter how bad things get, they keep voting for the same party.

    That is something.

  80. 2009 October 13 5:15 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Jay –

    Here’s Snowe’s last senate opponent. The woman was a token candidate who had never held political office (not even a village trustee).


    Why offer serious opposition when Snowe when she votes liberal 88% of the time?

  81. 2009 October 13 5:18 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Michigan had a Republican governor for 8 years before Gov, Jenn and are looking like one may win in 2012. In Michigan, people vote for Dims because they are looking for handouts. In CA and NJ they vote for Dims because they’re nuts.

  82. 2009 October 13 5:20 pm
    bc3b permalink


    Snowe has a lifetime acu rating of 47.88. She is low for being a Republican, but there are few dims with as high of rating as hers.

    Compare this with some “moderate” dims:
    Lincoln —> 18.7
    Nelson —-> 37.28
    Bayh ——> 20.70

    That’s like keeping a quarterback who stinks because he was good five years ago.

  83. 2009 October 13 5:45 pm
    MI Conservative permalink

    bc, I sure hope MI gov. race is still in 2010!

  84. 2009 October 13 5:46 pm
    MI Conservative permalink

    But you are spot on talking about handouts

  85. 2009 October 13 5:48 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Good catch MI conservative. The state couldn’t handle two more years of Gov. Jenn. I am focusing on the candidacy of another woman (who will remain unnamed) in 2012.

  86. 2009 October 13 5:53 pm
    mulletover permalink

    Off topic

    Just to ground myself in reality after two days of Nobel Peace Prize discussion, I posted a story of a domestic violence incident in my hometown where two police officers were shot and seriously wounded. It seemed at the time that Obama’s NPP was pretty insignificant in context.

    If I recall, Justrand and JustMary, mpthompson and RWY and maybe others expressed interest in the story, and to follow up, I am sorry to report the most seriously wounded officer died last night six days after he was wounded.

    Very sad. The officer was a 25 year veteran, a father and husband, a church deacon, and a high school asst coach. Exemplary record of service.

    Say a prayer for Sgt Hutchens, a true hero.

  87. 2009 October 13 6:02 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Mullet, that is horrible. I thought he was critical but stable, meaning they looked for his condition to improve…

    I’m sorry. Let me see if I can find more info….

  88. 2009 October 13 6:09 pm
    rightwingyahoo permalink

    All they said was that he suffered a setback over the weekend……

  89. 2009 October 13 6:09 pm
    mulletover permalink

    yahoo, here is the latest link, and thank you for caring.


  90. 2009 October 13 6:13 pm
    JustMary permalink

    Oh man. I will be praying for his family. That is so sad.

  91. 2009 October 13 6:16 pm
    bc3b permalink

    It makes other things pale in comparison.

  92. 2009 October 13 6:20 pm
    mulletover permalink

    What is tragic is both these officers were victims of a head shot. How likely is that? A fluid domestic violence situation develops into a chase, and the perp gets off several shots, and lands two head shots.

  93. 2009 October 13 6:23 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    mullet – sorry to hear the bad news. Seems like the good guys always get it and the scum survive. The man and his family ate in my thoughts and prayers.

  94. 2009 October 13 6:32 pm
    mulletover permalink

    What you say is true, gnqanq and bc3b.

    The “thin blue line” gets thinner still.

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