Gallup: Conservatives Top Ideological Group

2009 October 26
by bc3b

While voters (including independents) are moving to the right, GOP “leaders” like Pete Sessions, John Cornyn, John McCain and Lindsey Graham and strategists like Mike Murphy and Steve Schmidt want to move the GOP to the left. Makes a lotta sense, doesn’t it.

October 26, 2009

Conservatives Maintain Edge as Top Ideological Group

Compared with 2008, more Americans “conservative” in general, and on issues

by Lydia Saad

As is typical in recent years, Republicans are far more unified in their political outlook than are either independents or Democrats. While 72% of Republicans in 2009 call their views conservative, independents are closely split between the moderate and conservative labels (43% and 35%, respectively). Democrats are about evenly divided between moderates (39%) and liberals (37%).

PRINCETON, NJ — Conservatives continue to outnumber moderates and liberals in the American populace in 2009, confirming a finding that Gallup first noted in June. Forty percent of Americans describe their political views as conservative, 36% as moderate, and 20% as liberal. This marks a shift from 2005 through 2008, when moderates were tied with conservatives as the most prevalent group.

Political Ideology: Annual Trends, 1992-2009

Independents Inch to the Right

Changes among political independents appear to be the main reason the percentage of conservatives has increased nationally over the past year: the 35% of independents describing their views as conservative in 2009 is up from 29% in 2008. By contrast, among Republicans and Democrats, the percentage who are “conservative” has increased by one point each.

Full survey.

Hat tip: Gallup Organization.

sarah-palin-1.jpg picture by bc3b

I don’t know how to break this to you “good old boys,” but Michele and I are taking over. Don’t let the door hit you … you know the line.

 

94 Responses leave one →
  1. 2009 October 26 7:25 am
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    bc3b permalink

    If 40% of voters are conservative, it seems like a relatively easy task picking up enough moderate votes to win elections. The Democrats don’t seem to have much of a problem picking up 31% of moderates to go with the 20% of the population that’s liberal.

    The problem in a word is “RINOs.” I hate RINOs more than Democrats because at least Democarts stand for something (other than themselves) and do not backstab their own on an ongoing basis.

    Let’s work to “primary” every RINO we can and make the breed nearly extinct.

  2. 2009 October 26 7:31 am
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    janzam permalink

    A bit of trivia:

    Obama has played more golf in 9 months than George Bush did in 2 yrs and 10 months.

    H/T Drudge

  3. 2009 October 26 7:33 am
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    janzam permalink

    Amazing thing about that Ideological chart is that moderates and conservatives are “miles” higher than liberals, and yet its the liberals who occupy the WH and allof congress. Go Figure!

  4. 2009 October 26 7:33 am
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    MI Conservative permalink

    Makes a lotta sense, doesn’t it.

    Has Romney endorsed anyone in NY 23?

  5. 2009 October 26 7:36 am
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    MI Conservative permalink

    Found my own answer——Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has also kept quiet on the race. Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom told POLITICO Friday that Romney is “following the race” though he did not have “any news to announce.”

  6. 2009 October 26 7:36 am
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    MI Conservative permalink

    As has Huckabee.

  7. 2009 October 26 7:52 am
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    janzam permalink

    MI

    The people who are inching towards the 2012 Presidential race are not jumping on the NY-23 bandwagon.

    I personally think they are damned if they do and the same if they don’t, as they will be susceptible to criticism from those who either don’t think they are backing up the conservative base, and others who think they are meddling and trying to skew a race with an unconventional endorsement.

    Palin continues to be outside the mainstream, so her endorsement rings true to her political history and personality. The others, though, have always operated within the circle of the mainstream, for better or worse, so it is more complicated for them to all of sudden buck the establishment…IMHO.

  8. 2009 October 26 8:07 am
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    bc3b permalink

    Janzam –

    Amazing thing about that Ideological chart is that moderates and conservatives are “miles” higher than liberals, and yet its the liberals who occupy the WH and allof congress. Go Figure!

    Not really Janzam. Look at the leadership of the Democratic party (Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Dean, etc.). They are hard-core liberals. Hardly any Democrats in Congreee have ACU ratings of 20 or higher. Look at the leadership of the GOP (Steele, Cornyn, Pete Sessions, etc.). Thery are hardly hard core conservatives. Then examine the voting records of Republicans. Many have ACU ratings that are well below 80 ACU ratings.

    The reason conservatives are not making more progress is because the least liberal party is run by RINOs. Until we eliminate RINOs from party leadership and start “primarying” their sorry a$$es, we will continue the drift toward socialism.

    Since MFG isn’t here yet, I’ll speak for him:
    – RINOs are wonderful
    – Why don’t we just have a circular firing squad?
    – Without RINOs, Jim DeMint and the boys from OK will get lonesome
    – Electing a RINO is better than electing a Dim
    – Without RINOs, there will never be a decent SC justice confirmed
    – Without RINOs, the world as we know it will end
    – Have you hugged a RINO today?

  9. 2009 October 26 8:09 am
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    mulletover permalink

    Newt, a potential 2012 candidate, jumped into NY-23, and got it on his shoes. He’s walking around the garden party now, wiping his foot in the grass, trying to pretend everything is okay.

    It ain’t.

  10. 2009 October 26 8:12 am
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    conservativetony permalink

    There was a commedian who once said the first thing he did in the morning was to read the obituaries and if his name wasn’t in it, he would start his day.

    The first thing I do is check out the Conservative blogs and Fox News. These entities will be the attacked first by the statists. Conservatives are the first and last line of defence in this country. I’m not sure who else would jump in to save the country. The military possibly, but only as a last resort as that would bring about our destruction from outside sources.

    Anyhow, when I click on “Submit Comment” and my comment gets posted, at least I know the internet czar hasn’t starting shutting down Conservative blogs.

  11. 2009 October 26 8:15 am
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    conservativetony permalink

    Hey it posted!! Good morning fellow Conservatives. Any news from the front?

    Mullet, your #9 post is a gem. I love it people can paint a picture with words. Well done, sir.

  12. 2009 October 26 8:28 am
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    conservativetony permalink

    Newt the elitist explains his reasoning for backing Scozza

    Thanks to HA

  13. 2009 October 26 8:44 am
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    bc3b permalink

    NY23 – the only potential 2012 nominee to take a principled stand is Sarah Palin. As mulletover so elequently stated, Newt screwed up (although I’m not sure anyone other than Newt and the current Mrs. Gingrich consider Newt a potential standard-bearer).

    The rest (Romney, Huckabee and Pawlenty) are all MIA. Pawlenty keeps hinting he may back Hoffman, but hasn’t moved off center.

  14. 2009 October 26 8:47 am
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    bc3b permalink

    CT –

    I could make the same case for endorsing Hitler of Stalin based on Newt’s logic.

  15. 2009 October 26 9:02 am
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    conservativetony permalink

    BC

    T-Paw, Huck and Mitt don’t want to appear as “me too” politicians. It like when your kids were young and you were watching sports with them.

    “Hey son, which team do you want to win?”
    “I’ll take those guys in the blue.”
    “Okay, I’ll take those guys in the red.”
    “Me too.”

  16. 2009 October 26 9:07 am
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    bc3b permalink

    Has Moby Dick been harpooned?

    According to Real Clear Politics, Corzine is up by 0.1%

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2009/governor/nj/new_jersey_governor_corzine_vs_christie-1051.html

    Christie’s lead was a solid 14% – 15% in late July, but he has run a horrid campaign and has failed to articulate his plans effectively.

    If he doesn’t win, Mickey D’s is always looking for help: “one for the customer and one for me.”

  17. 2009 October 26 9:13 am
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    conservativetony permalink

    BC

    Newt is is extremely intelligent even though he can be very loquatious at times. It could be very easy to get caught up his “details” and forget why you were even questioning him as evidenced by the woman in the video.

    After his spiel, she could only mutter a meek “thank you” to him.

  18. 2009 October 26 9:16 am
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    bc3b permalink

    CT –

    Newt also is an unprincipled opportunist (as demonstrated by his public and personal life).

  19. 2009 October 26 9:45 am
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    booshkindoggin permalink

    It’s the pit and the pendulum – either it swings back in the right direction, or we’re headed for the abyss.

  20. 2009 October 26 9:47 am
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    justrand permalink

    Christie is suffereing from a 3rd Party cnadidate as well. Face it, New Jersey is a DEEEEEEEEP Blue State. So I truly do not mind a Republican having to be a RINO to win there. Hence I want Christie.

    In NY 23, the district is REPUBLICAN! Having a RINO (or flat out Leftist) win THERE is a travesty!

    I hope Romney and Huckabee come to the their “senses” and jump on the Hoffman bandwagon. Better late (and looking opportunitist) than never and looking stooopid! (or worse still: backing Scuzzy and looking insane, ala Newt!)

  21. 2009 October 26 9:50 am
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    bc3b permalink

    Club for Growth survey shows Hoffman in the lead.

    Cautionary warning: The Club for Growth has a dog in this fight (Hoffman).

    http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2009/10/cfg_poll_hoffman_leading_in_ny.php

    If he wins, it will make my year. Also, if Hoffman wins and Chris “I don’t want Palin campaigning for me” Christie loses …. Just saying.

  22. 2009 October 26 9:54 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    BC,

    Its not so much that Corzine is thumping Christie. Christie is losing ground to the Independent, Daggett.

  23. 2009 October 26 9:55 am
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    bc3b permalink

    JR –

    You are right: Christie is running is a deep blue state with a legislature that is solidly Democratic. If Christie wins, will he be any more successful than Arnold or will it just be another Republican taking command of the Titanic after it hit the iceberg?

    You can elect a Republican in Michigan and it can be successful (e.g. Engler), but can it work in CA or NJ? In MI the GOP controls one of the state houses.

    Michiganders vote for Democrats because they want “free stuff,” not because they’re looney left.

  24. 2009 October 26 9:57 am
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    bc3b permalink

    drdog09 –

    I agree, but from all reports Christie has run a horrible campaign. Lou Dobbs had the independent on last week. He also has invited Christie and Corzine, but neither has accepted.

  25. 2009 October 26 9:59 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    JR,

    I would not have any deep seated angst against a Huckabee or Romney taking a pass and not endorsing anyone. A simple “Let the best person win.”, would be sufficient. That’s also provided of course they do nothing behind the scenes either. But when a Gingrich stands there and supports an avowed Leftist, I have major heartburn.

  26. 2009 October 26 10:00 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    BC,

    Yeah, Mr. C is not exhibiting any flash of 21st century campaigning that is for sure!

  27. 2009 October 26 10:02 am
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    mpthompson permalink

    Living in another leftist hell hole (the SF Bay Area) I don’t get much news from NJ. Is the independent in NJ considered to be more conservative than Christie? Or is the independent a moderate who’s appeal is not being Democrat or Republican? What’s the scoop?

  28. 2009 October 26 10:02 am
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    bc3b permalink

    drdog09 –

    “BC,

    Yeah, Mr. C is not exhibiting any flash of 21st century campaigning that is for sure!”

    No, but I understand he is running well with fast food employees, many of whom know him personally.

  29. 2009 October 26 10:05 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    OT, Our economic future?

    The island’s currency collapsed last year following the failure of Iceland’s biggest banks. Offshore, the krona slumped as much as 80 percent against the euro, while capital restrictions this year have failed to prevent an 8.1 percent decline, making the krona the second-worst performer of the 26 emerging-market currencies tracked by Bloomberg.

    “Our competitors all use domestic meat and lettuce and so on, while we are flying in these materials, which is extremely expensive,” Ogmundsson said.

    That’s right, McDonalds is pulling out of Iceland.
    Link.

  30. 2009 October 26 10:05 am
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    Michiganders vote for Democrats because they want “free stuff,” not because they’re looney left.~~bc3b

    Methinks those two go together.

  31. 2009 October 26 10:05 am
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    mpthompson permalink

    DrDog, I’m much less forgiving than you concerning Huckabee and Romney. It’s time to make choices — even unpopular or tough ones. Too much is at stake.

  32. 2009 October 26 10:07 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    No, but I understand he is running well with fast food employees, many of whom know him personally.

    LOL!

    It shows!

    MPT, old friends still in NJ tell me Daggett is becoming the POWBOU candidate.

    Pissed
    Off
    With
    Both
    Of
    You

  33. 2009 October 26 10:09 am
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    mpthompson permalink

    Got it. Thanks. POWBOU is something I can understand.

  34. 2009 October 26 10:11 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    MPT, you can make a case for your ‘time to choose’. Some folks have party ID issues of always pulling the lever one way. For a Rep at Romney’s level a no choice is about as close as he could get to an outright rebuke. Of course some could make a case that that kind of thinking is party over country. Might be right too.

  35. 2009 October 26 10:15 am
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    bc3b permalink

    IP –

    Unlike the citizens of the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia, Michiganders do not get excited about global warming, gay marriage, saving some endangered species, etc., they are just looking for “free stuff.” Most people in Kalifornia would vote for liberal Democrats without the promise of “free stuff.” Many Kalifornians are dedicated Marxists; Michiganders are just opportunists.

  36. 2009 October 26 10:20 am
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    bc3b permalink

    Mitt or Huck could hold a formal press conference and it wouldn’t garner 1/20th the coverage of Sarah Palin’s Facebook message. I doubt that many people would contribute based on their endorsement. There were dozens of people on Free Republic that said once Sarah Palin endorses Hoffman, they sent money.

    Besides, this is about principle and values over party and courage versus cowardness.

  37. 2009 October 26 10:33 am
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    mpthompson permalink

    I tell my kids that not making a choice, aka. inaction, is in itself a choice and will be treated as such. Same applies to politicians.

  38. 2009 October 26 10:35 am
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    brucefdb permalink

    Mitt and Huck are happy to see Newt stepped in it. But they are dependent on the establishment for their 2012 chances so they dont want to align with Sarah. Neither of them is an acceptable prez candidate. Or haven’t you seen Romneycare?

    Most of you are probably too young to remember but we went thru this stuff during the late 70’s when Reagan finally started to surge…the establishment R’s and the media hated and ridiculed him. But even Ronaldus didn’t generate the energy that Sarah is tapping, it is just waiting to burst forth. Just wait until she starts making campaign appearances for people.

  39. 2009 October 26 10:38 am
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    brucefdb permalink

    bc3b #21….I’ll take that result! It cant be any less accurate than a CBS/NY Times poll!

    I just want Hoffman to beat the Scuzz though….but if he should win? Wow!

  40. 2009 October 26 10:39 am
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    brucefdb permalink

    MPT…..your kids are lucky to have a dad like you.

  41. 2009 October 26 10:42 am
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    “Obama has played more golf in 9 months than George Bush did in 2 yrs and 10 months.”

    Also used af1 twice as much, done 3x as many fundraisers, and collected 1/3rd as much. lol oh and press interviews is like 26 vs 6 for bush. Fox had a bunch of comparison stuff friday, think it was bret on special report.

  42. 2009 October 26 10:43 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    MPT, I can agree with that. Fact I’ll add a little. No choice is also generally the wrong choice. For in doing so you have abdicated your options and half the time given that choice to someone else to make for you.

  43. 2009 October 26 10:43 am
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    MI Conservative permalink

    I find this interesting from the New York Post with their endorsement for Christie—-

    The Home News Tribune of East Brunswick and The Courier News of Bridgewater, back Christie over both Corzine and Daggett.

    “If voters genuinely want to change the reckless, unethical culture of Trenton, Daggett’s not the way to go,” they said in a joint editorial. “And another four years of Corzine certainly won’t do it.” Rather, they said, Christie is the “clear choice,” citing his readiness to talk “meaningfully . . . about what the state can’t afford.”

    Meanwhile, the race has national import — as it’s seen as a sign of whether Americans will tolerate the multitrillion-dollar burden of higher taxes and insurance premiums under ObamaCare.

    But for Jersey voters, local taxes — and political sleaze — are the key issues. Christie’s their best shot on both scores.

  44. 2009 October 26 10:44 am
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    ““I don’t want Palin campaigning for me””

    Who is to say she would anyway? I’m not convinced she’d do it even if begged, but I suppose maybe she would take a hit for the team.

  45. 2009 October 26 10:48 am
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    MI Conservative permalink

    Need a reason not to vote for Corzine?????

    Corzine also has the support of The New York Times, The Philadelphia Inquirer and El Diario Le Prensa, the Hispanic daily.

  46. 2009 October 26 10:52 am
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    brucefdb permalink

    Palin has stated she wants to campaign for those that share her values. She has been true to her word so far. I think you are right KH that she would not be inclined to support Christie even if asked. And certainly not take one for the team if by that you mean the R establishment.

  47. 2009 October 26 11:00 am
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    MFG permalink

    Your poll in #21 makes sense, BC

    Candidates can and do make late surges, hopefully Hoffman will win now

  48. 2009 October 26 11:04 am
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    MFG permalink

    Palin campaigning for Christie would hurt him, be real here, New Jersey’s abbreviation should be CCCP not NJ

  49. 2009 October 26 11:07 am
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    brucefdb permalink

    Off topic, I think Hairball (Hairy) Weed is going to make an announcement on the Senate ‘KillGranny/babies and cripples’ Healthcare Bill pretty quick. Word is it might have a trigger. It’ll have a trigger all right and the gun is pointing right at your head.

  50. 2009 October 26 11:16 am
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    Ownes is now spending money to attack Hoffman, chances are no matter what the CFG polls shows, Ownes see’s hoffman as the real threat now.

    To me this at least confirms internally Hoffman is running ahead of Dumbbell.

  51. 2009 October 26 11:16 am
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    bc3b permalink

    My only point is that Christie should have said something to the effect that “This is a state race so I really don’t need a lot of outside assistance.” But, instead he came across slamming Palin.

    Perhaps Chris hadn’t had anything to eat for 15 minutes, was having a “Big Mac attack” and his brain froze. I’m sure after 4-5 Big Mac combos (super-sized of course), he started thinking rationally again.

  52. 2009 October 26 11:19 am
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    bc3b permalink

    Like I said MFG, people in Michigan or Louisiana vote Democratic because they’re opportunitss (looking for free stuff). People in NJ and Kalifornia vote for Democrats because they are “true believers.”

  53. 2009 October 26 11:20 am
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    MFG permalink

    KH

    Almost all politicians are whores and front runners

    The endorsements are coming fast and furious now because almost certainly internal polls are showing Dede’s support collapsing and moving to Hoffman

    Big moves can and do happen late in races

    We were 11 points up four days out when Bobby J first ran for Governor and we lost by 4

    I’ll bet you $1.50 Hoffman wins now…

  54. 2009 October 26 11:23 am
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    MFG permalink

    BC

    LA has an odd populist streak that is hard to assess sometimes

    We’re still affected by Huey Long even after all these years, I think

    It’s why a filthy, worthless criminal like Edwin Edwards could get elected and re-elected here so many times…

  55. 2009 October 26 11:32 am
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    bc3b permalink

    Here’s the view from Michigan, according to Rasmussen:

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/michigan/election_2010_michigan_governor

    Obama is at -12 today (47% approve/52% disapprove)

  56. 2009 October 26 11:35 am
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    Politicians usually reflect the culture of the scum bags that elect them. Barney fwank,piglosi,dingy harry,schumer,durbin, et al ad nauseum.

  57. 2009 October 26 11:36 am
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    Not taking the bet. 😉

    I really want to see a day at 45/55 some time before erection day.

    What was Harry Reid’s announcement earlier today? (saw one was coming on fox like 2 hours ago, but had to run out)

  58. 2009 October 26 12:00 pm
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    judyt2009 permalink

    Ummmm…. decimal points matter. I did an analysis of the comparisons between party id and ideology id and saw a huge disconnect between the two until I looked back at my numbers and saw I was missing a decimal point. LOL… or maybe I was channeling Emily Litella with another “never mind” moment.

    All the same, I wondered about the issues that cause that 35.7% of the population to identify as moderate do so? What percentage follows more of a libertarian ideology but cannot articulate or identify as such beyond not identifying with either the GOP or DNC brand? How many identify as Democrats but have failed to realize that the DNC party leaders are ideologically alien to them? What would it take to make them let go of DEM identification?

    What is the breakdown between fiscal versus social issues? How many want smaller, more limited government across the board and thus are disenfranchised with the GOP because of its own slide into big government programs/spending? How many are pro-life but think it is an individual choice and just object to taxpayer dollars being used in any manner for provision of abortion?

    How people suffer from the perception that while they trust themselves to make the correct decision they do not trust others to do the same?

    Which brings me to identification of another one of those moments of complete irony…how can someone be so pro-abortion that they scream from the highest rooftops that they want government out of their uterus, and yet will allow government to run every other aspect of their being?

    Isn’t it time that the parties did a complete re-alignment? I am a conservative. It is only because the GOP ideology is closer to my own that I vote for and/or support GOP candidates. I do not believe in supporting party over principles .. as I am tired of holding my nose and voting.

    Obviously, there is a disconnect between conservatives and the GOP. For some reason approximately 20% of the population are conservative ideology but identify themselves as Independents or Democrats. Yet, the GOP trys to convince those 72% who are conservative and identify as Republicans that we must move to the moderate column in order to retain that 8% moderate/Republican voter and attract persuade that 13.3% of moderate/independent to vote GOP.

    Exactly what is a moderate? Are these the fence sitting, Rodney “can’t we all get along” King, not in my backyard, to each his own just stay out of my face, or whatever you want just not with my tax dollars voters? Are these those individuals that vote merely on a perception of their individual wallet size without any understanding of the policy that will increase or shrink that wallet?

    What is a moderate? As I hear strains of the Battle Hymn of the Republic playing in the background of my mind, I think a moderate is first and foremost and American, who has a considerable amout of pride in the United States, who understands the necessity of war but just opposes a bumbled, wasteful politically fought war, who admires the founding fathers, and who believes in the Constitution even if they cannot articulate the Bill of Rights. I think a moderate is someone who always tries to see the good in everyone and is more than willing to give the other guy the benefit of the doubt. (How else were they suckered by the hopey dopey change rope a dope.) I think a moderate wants to help those in need but isn’t sold on the constantly needy.

    I’ve heard it many times that we are on our way to a great divide and upheaval in the United States. So I think it is time for some serious soul searching by everyone, and in particular those identified moderates. Where will you stand when the chasm breaks further apart? Will you so bend and stretch and twist yourself in trying to bridge the gaps between two opposed and conflicting ideologies that you plundge to the depths in between?

    What is more important to a moderate anyway? We are negotiating for the soul of America so I wonder, what will a moderate negotiate away?

  59. 2009 October 26 12:15 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    Judy,

    Take the Independent numbers and get a cross tab breakdown by age. Haven’t seen it myself, but I bet that you will find a great many independents are over 40. They we Dims in their youth, Reps by 30 and Independent by 40-50.

  60. 2009 October 26 12:18 pm
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    mulletover permalink

    Reid press conference at 3:15pm. Supposedly has 56-57 votes for public option, and 57-58 votes for public option with trigger.

  61. 2009 October 26 12:18 pm
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    mulletover permalink

    Harry, you need 60!

  62. 2009 October 26 12:21 pm
    [63]
    mulletover permalink

    Post #61 from Politico.

    politico

  63. 2009 October 26 12:22 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    Judy –

    Rasmussen and Gallup both have had polls published recently that indicate a major disconnect between the GOP rank and file and both the GOP leadership and the Congressional Wing of the GOP. The rank and file views both GOP leadership and GOP members of Congress of being far more liberal and out of touch.

    If Hoffman pulls it out, NY23 will be far more important than the NJ or VA gubinitorial races. It will be a major victory for the “unwashed masses” and demonstrate the Star Power Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann have.

  64. 2009 October 26 12:25 pm
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    mulletover permalink

    He doesn’t have it. He looks like a whipped puppy at his presser.

    You know what they say about excuses, Harry.

  65. 2009 October 26 12:31 pm
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    beej permalink

    A freebie:

    “Our party must be the party of the individual. It must not sell out the individual to cater to the group. No greater challenge faces our society today than ensuring that each one of us can maintain his dignity and his identity in an increasingly complex, centralized society. Extreme taxation, excessive controls, oppressive government competition with business … frustrated minorities and forgotten Americans are not the products of free enterprise. They are the residue of centralized bureaucracy, of government by a self-anointed elite. Our party must be based on the kind of leadership that grows and takes its strength from the people. Any organization is in actuality only the lengthened shadow of its members. A political party is a mechanical structure created to further a cause. The cause, not the mechanism, brings and holds the members together. And our cause must be to rediscover, reassert and reapply America’s spiritual heritage to our national affairs. Then with God’s help we shall indeed be as a city upon a hill with the eyes of all people upon us.” –Ronald Reagan

  66. 2009 October 26 12:33 pm
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    mulletover permalink

    Now the bill is apparently watered down with both an opt-out and a co-op in the bill. This is obviously to attract votes of the fence-sitters.

    Back to CBO for cost estimates.

  67. 2009 October 26 12:35 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    If Hoffman pulls it out, NY23 will be far more important than the NJ or VA gubinitorial races. It will be a major victory for the “unwashed masses” and demonstrate the Star Power Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann have.

    If NY-23 goes for Hoffman, that will probably give Rubio a boost. The message will be out that the rank and file can buck the establishment and win.

  68. 2009 October 26 12:36 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    Mullet, the longer that HC drags the better our chance that there is no legislation.

  69. 2009 October 26 12:39 pm
    [70]
    janzam permalink

    Tim Pawlenty endorses Doug Hoffman RedState link

  70. 2009 October 26 12:39 pm
    [71]
    drdog09 permalink

    This should be the Reps motto for 2010 —

    APATHY
    If we don’t take care of the voter,
    maybe they’ll stop bugging us.

  71. 2009 October 26 12:44 pm
    [72]
    drdog09 permalink

    Jan,

    Red State posed the right question too — “Now we’re going to have to ask where the other 2012 candidates are. Who else is willing to be brave and bold. Who else will defy the beltway and stand with the heartland? Conservative activists have legitimately made New York’s 23rd Congressional District a Hill to Die On. The GOP establishment must know that it will either win with us or lose without us.”

  72. 2009 October 26 12:46 pm
    [73]

    You know this public option with an opt-out and some co-ops scares me, some of the sheep might just buy into it. I hope the public at large can see through this BS scheme and will keep the calls up.

  73. 2009 October 26 12:47 pm
    [74]

    With or without the pubic option, the individual mandate is still a can of worms.deep six the whole damn thing.

  74. 2009 October 26 12:49 pm
    [75]

    Someone should compare this opt-out to like opting out of SPAM, it doesn’t work.

  75. 2009 October 26 12:51 pm
    [76]
    drdog09 permalink

    Correct me if I am wrong, but the opt out only applies to business. The individual mandate is still unaffected.

  76. 2009 October 26 12:51 pm
    [77]

    IP727 yup. The whole thing is just one giant mess, a cluster f)_( of epic proportions.
    Dump it all. No bill is better than a bad bill. 😉

  77. 2009 October 26 12:56 pm
    [78]

    Correct me if I am wrong, but the opt out only applies to business. The individual mandate is still unaffected.

    I think the peronal mandate is still in effect no matter what happens with the option.
    The business mandate is still up in the air, I think.

  78. 2009 October 26 12:57 pm
    [79]

    Of course Dr. it’s total sham.. they are just trying to find away around the stigma attached to “public option”, so here we have the non-public public option mixed with some same “opt out” language. It’s all bullsh1t as usual, but they are thinking that they are going to snag snowe and a couple red-state dems with it.

  79. 2009 October 26 1:07 pm
    [80]
    drdog09 permalink

    Ok. Sounds like I heard the news right somewhat.

    What baffles me is why the Dims are doing this the way there are doing it. They are trying the ‘eat it all at once’ approach. Too much shock to the system.

    They should have just put forth a bill that expanded medicare coverage to those who are low income and don’t have coverage through work. Another words cover that 20m that may not have it. That would have passed. Then they could have go to work raising the income level while at the same time cratering the economy so that a both ends of the scale the pool of people on the federal insurance increases.

    Not that I am saying that’s what I want to see. But as a tactic it works just as well and fits the boiled frog approach.

  80. 2009 October 26 1:10 pm
    [81]

    Dingy harry still trying to prove that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. …

  81. 2009 October 26 1:12 pm
    [82]

    What dingy harry is trying to serve to the masses.

  82. 2009 October 26 1:23 pm
    [83]
    drdog09 permalink

  83. 2009 October 26 1:26 pm
    [84]
    bc3b permalink

    “Tim Pawlenty endorses Doug Hoffman”

    The wheels are falling off the RNC’s wagon. See what happens when you stand up to RINOs.

  84. 2009 October 26 1:31 pm
    [85]
    janzam permalink

    drdog, I particularly liked the excerpt you posted (#72) from the redstate article.

    Re: HC back and forths…..I personally think Reid and others are deliberately throwing out a lot of distracting comments and assertions, wearing people down as they try to follow which way the bouncing HC ball is headed.

  85. 2009 October 26 1:36 pm
    [86]
    janzam permalink

    bc

    If you read the redstate article about Pawlenty, they are saying his weight, as a conventional republican, openly vying for the 2012 presidency, is more significant of an endorsement than even Palin.

    His backing gives legitimacy to Hoffman that may provide impetus for the more mainstream republican voter to reconsider their Scozzafava vote and instead go with Hoffman….I hope!

  86. 2009 October 26 1:38 pm
    [87]
    phineas gage permalink

    You may as well call this The Snowe Job plan.

    It was specifically crafted to lure gullible RINOs.

    Which it will do.

    Quite clever of Rahm and the boys.

  87. 2009 October 26 1:40 pm
    [88]
    phineas gage permalink

    ‘his weight, as a conventional republican, openly vying for the 2012 presidency, is more significant of an endorsement than even Palin. ‘

    You cannot be serious.

    ‘the more mainstream republican voter ‘

    liberal northeast Republicans do not represent the mainstream GOP. Palin is far closer to the mainstream.

  88. 2009 October 26 1:51 pm
    [89]
    beej permalink

    Does Pawlenty have the name recognition and following that Sarah Palin does? Don’t think so, personally.

    He’s a moderate, as far as I can tell, but not so different overall than Huck or Romney. I think he wet his finger and stuck it in the air, to check which way the winds were blowing. To endorse the ‘other’ candidate did take some courage, though, when he could have taken the low road like Huck and Romney. Bucking the establishment is always a tough thing to do, especially when he is on the ‘list’ of possibles for 2012.

    I have to admire him for that.

  89. 2009 October 26 1:54 pm
    [90]
    phineas gage permalink

    As a presidential candidate, Pawlenty will make a great Secretary of Agriculture.

  90. 2009 October 26 2:09 pm
    [91]
    brucefdb permalink

    Hey, having Pawlenty jump aboard is ok. It might help a tad. To say it carries more weight than Sarah (who also brought lotsa $$$$$, momentum and national attention) is incorrect. But there are those anti-Sarah types that will try to spin it that way.

  91. 2009 October 26 2:34 pm
    [92]
    drdog09 permalink

    Pawlenty has been past presidents for both National Gov Assoc and the Republican version thereof. That’s where his heft comes from. He’s still as exciting as watching paint dry.

  92. 2009 October 26 2:43 pm
    [93]

    “is more significant of an endorsement than even Palin. ”

    People say a lot of things, only look who was actually tuned into the race and who was not.

  93. 2009 October 26 2:44 pm
    [94]

    “You may as well call this The Snowe Job plan.”

    Nice!!!

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