We have people who pretty much agree on all issues and policies on this thread but can’t come up with who or how to support conservatives or rinos. Could this be part of the problem.

People can generally be on the same page politically without being lockstep in all the words on that page.

I tolerate the moves of moderates more than you do. People, though, like Spector and Snowe go beyond the boundaries of such tolerance. Those I see as only useful idiots of the GOP. Although, I don’t necessarily even like McCain or Grahram, as much as I just don’t see them as poisonous to the GOP as you and others do.

We just have to agree to disagree as my intention is not to change your opinion, just like you won’t be able to change mine.

Good night!

This is how we got Medicare D, amnesty, carbon caps and campaign finance reform leading directly to Soros/Center for American progress.

These guys are responsible for the policies that put us here. What’s left of them, anyway.

Plus we have the example of the 2008 election RIGHT IN FRONT OF US.

But we are supposed to re-elect them?

How can that be logical?

I cannot understand this. They want to turn TX, AZ, NC, FL, and VA blue permanently with amnesty.

And we are supposed to be impressed with tough words on Iran? words???? are supposed to gloss over horrible, America-destroying policy?????

Same thing with Bennett and Hatch seats in Utah, seats in Missippi, Georgia, Tennessee and a number of other states.

As someone stated earlier, if we take a couple on RINOs down, it will send a message to other RINOs and RINO wannabes.

There is no chance of a Dem winning either seat. What we could really use are 2 good conservatives in those seats.

McCain and Graham are the ones besmirching the seats, not the conservatives who they are attacking, and are more interested in stopping than the Democrats.

And 2008 just proved it. Yet here we are, supporting the same old people, who have been in the government forever.

My question is: why?

At the same time, McCain is helping raise money for Mitt’s PAC.

There’s a guy on FR who has 2-3 pages of links illustrating how Romney has used surrogates like Schmidt and Murphy smear Palin.

As Yahoo mentioned earlier, what McCain and Graham are doing could split the GOP.

I recognize it all right. I also know that it is not in adherence to the constitution, and that it is a slippery slope that lands you right where the democrats want you.

See previous POTUS, 2001-2009…

Now, again, just because there ARE moderates, does not mean they have to be catered to on every issue.

Run on Reagan and small gov, and let everyone know what the progressive left wants.

The moderates will break 2-1 for the Reaganite and they will win.

Another Bush or McCain type puts us right back in the cycle of incompetence that leads to Obamas winning elections.

But, I am not begrudging McCain nor people like Graham their Senate seats either.

They support amnesty which would turn Texas, NC, FL blue forever. What they want would destroy the R party for a hundred years. Is all that ok, because they jawbone on and on about Iran, when Iran will do as they please anyway?

What is so hard about this?

Jan, do you really want to offer the R party of 2006-2008 as the only alternative to Obama? Because I can already tell you how that will turn out.

Why would we want to keep voting in the people who betray us over and over? Why would we want to keep doing the same thing and expecting different results?

I don’t think of our disagreement on this point as an “argument,” but rather a discussion.

There is no need to BE a moderate, simply because there ARE moderates.

I totally agree with you that a conservative doesn’t have to become “moderate.” However, in the same manner a “moderate” doesn’t necessarily have to become conservative either. What needs to happen is to find common ground, not total consensus to be able to come together in their vote.

I didn’t like many of McCain’s statements regarding Obama, gitmo, ANWR etc. But, he has made good ones regarding cutting spending, earmarks, HC and so on. Sometimes he is totally off the mark, other times he hits it fairly well. I also didn’t like his treatment of Palin.

But, I am not begrudging McCain nor people like Graham their Senate seats either. Today, on Fox, Graham was very forceful on points about Iran. Both senators hold placesettings that have value. I’ll not besmirch that value because of some of the political avenues in which we disagree. In other words, I’ll rather have McCain/Graham there than two democrats!

And, that phrase Let them choose between limited government and liberty, and socialism shows that you don’t seem to recognize there is a big territory of beliefs out there inbetween “limited government” and “socialism.” Even in the next election, should we win the House back, big government is going to have to be dialed back consistently, but slowly, or the people will turn on conservatives and go the other way…again. That is the fickleness of human nature!