ClimateGate Blasts Open!
ClimateGate explodes!
Iain Murray has an excellent summary of what you need to know about the documents (hacked/leaked/accidentally made publicly available) from Great Britain’s East Anglia Climatic Research Unit (CRU).
Three Things You Absolutely Must Know About Climategate (via Hot Air)
First, the scientists discuss manipulating data to get their preferred results….
Secondly, scientists on several occasions discussed methods of subverting the scientific peer review process to ensure that skeptical papers had no access to publication….
Finally, the scientists worked to circumvent the Freedom of Information process of the United Kingdom….
Got that? Good. Now, where do we go from here?
Why investigations, lawsuits and satire, of course!
Dr. Dog linked to an excellent column by Robert Tracinski that outlines the fraud, ClimateGate: The Fix is In:
This is an enormous case of organized scientific fraud, but it is not just scientific fraud. It is also a criminal act. Suborned by billions of taxpayer dollars devoted to climate research, dozens of prominent scientists have established a criminal racket in which they seek government money-Phil Jones has raked in a total of £13.7 million in grants from the British government-which they then use to falsify data and defraud the taxpayers. It’s the most insidious kind of fraud: a fraud in which the culprits are lauded as public heroes. Judging from this cache of e-mails, they even manage to tell themselves that their manipulation of the data is intended to protect a bigger truth and prevent it from being “confused” by inconvenient facts and uncontrolled criticism.
The damage here goes far beyond the loss of a few billions of taxpayer dollars on bogus scientific research. The real cost of this fraud is the trillions of dollars of wealth that will be destroyed if a fraudulent theory is used to justify legislation that starves the global economy of its cheapest and most abundant sources of energy.
This is the scandal of the century. It needs to be thoroughly investigated-and the culprits need to be brought to justice.
Investigations:
Inhofe: CRU Scandal Bigger than ACORN Flap
ClimateGate: Both sides of the pond demand probes into data manipulation scandal
Lawsuits:
“Climate Gate” Development: CEI Files Notice of Intent to Sue NASA (via Watts Up With That?)
And the final blow, mockery:
Satire:
Iowahawk Geographic: The Secret Life of Climate Researchers
Minnesotans For Global Warming (via WUWT?):
Oh, yes, and by the way, the MSM has finally begun to take notice as well!
Previous posts on ClimateGate: here, here and here.
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H/T: Hot Air, Pajamas Media, Dr. Dog, Real Clear Politics, The Corner, Michelle Malkin, The American Spectator, Watts Up With That?, Iowahawk, Minnesotans For Global Warming, CBS News.
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Very funny video.
I just read an AP article I can’t link here (Google: Icebergs head from Antarctica for New Zealand), but I do have to pull out two paragraphs at the end of the article (which I think is fair use).
First this one which summarizes the gist of the article: Large numbers of icebergs last floated close to New Zealand in 2006, when some were visible from the coastline in the first such sighting since 1931. It is rare for whole icebergs to drift so far north before melting, but a cold snap around southern New Zealand and favorable ocean currents have again combined to push the towering visitors to the region intact.
But, this is was the final paragraph in the article: Young said that having the icebergs end up near New Zealand is not necessarily linked to global warming, but said that the rate of icebergs breaking off the Antarctic ice shelf in recent years may have increased due to dramatically rising temperatures on the continent over the past 60 years.
OK, let’s get this straight. Icebergs have been seen off the coast of New Zealand in 2006 and this year for the first time in 70 years. However, the article strains to link the icebergs to Global Warming! WTF? What the hell caused the icebergs to be seen off the coast in 1931?
Sheesh, you can’t make this stuff up.
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OMFG that was great video, I love web, people are so quick to put together stuff like that. lol Well I suppose you could make this stuff up but it wouldn’t nearly be as humorous!
Why can’t you link AP? I though they just couldn’t do that above the fold?
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KH, I don’t know the specifics regarding the ban on linking to AP. Has to do with AP going after a few select blogs and other web sites in civil court for linking/quoting their articles — even though such things fall clearly within the “fair use” exception to copyright laws. A NY Times article here may explain a little more.
Perhaps JM or JR can explain this sites policy regarding AP stories in more detail as I was living under a rock when it was put in place.
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I showed this to my 20 yr old niece tonight and she linked the Watts Up web page to her facebook account. It will be interesting to see what kind of response she gets, but this is certainly the age group that needs to be exposed to this scandal. They have been brainwashed in school about the poor polar bears and they don’t pay attention to the news or politics.
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I just find it odd.. I can see people not want entire articles quoted, but a snippit and and a link I would think would benefit them more then it hurts them. No matter what the rules I find it hard to believe they are going after blogs for things some links in there ‘comments’ area but maybe I’m wrong and they are that stupid.
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TLS – So true, send your kids to school for 8 hours, spend hours at night having to effectively deprogram them.
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Revelations tumbling out almost daily – climategate, ACORNgate and the like, resemble a burst appendix of foul toxins spilling into the body politic. One can only hope the disgraceful MSM is denied medical treatment.
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Not to worry Barry plans to get a bump with his prime time, how many will that be this year? I’m actually curious cause I lost track.
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{OT}
Eastern Syria becoming a new al Qaeda haven
US intelligence officials are concerned that Syria is becoming an al Qaeda haven, as the terror group becomes increasingly intertwined with Ba’athist groups operating from Iraq’s neighbor to the west.
Al Qaeda has refocused its efforts to build an infrastructure in eastern Syria after its network in Iraq was decimated by Iraqi and US security forces from 2007 to 2009, and now the organization is partnering with former Ba’athists from Saddam Hussein’s regime.
“A major concern is that eastern Syria will begin to look like northwestern Pakistan,” where al Qaeda has joined forces with the Taliban and directs attacks to destabilize Afghanistan, a senior US military intelligence official told The Long War Journal.
Read more: http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2009/11/eastern_syria_becomi.php#ixzz0XrXFRFRT
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A couple things about Global Warming-Climate Change.
1. Isn’t it interesting how Europeans jumped all over this when Al Gore said it was real. Without any wait time they believed it.
2. Isn’t it great the AMERICANS (US) did not believe it right away. They didn’t fall for Al Gores BS. Otherwise an international treaty would have been passed 8 years ago based on faulty data.
3. One thing is for sure AND THIS IS IMPORTANT. Global Warming is man-made. Of course it is man-made by scientist that cooked the books.
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The worst part is that the dishonest media goes along with the lies. Just as we discussed yesterday when CBS gave the Dems a 13% advantage (when the real difference is 6% according to Gallup).
Until we can completely discredit the media, we’re screwed.
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Multiple Threads
As Eph Rove points out, we have far more threads than most similar sites. Yesterday we had eight, including that great Sarah Palin thread by Judy.
Let’s try to keep 2-3 threads going simultaneously. Hot Air is one of the few sites that is successful in doing this. I’d like BJG to be another.
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O/T
Obama’s support among honkies is down to 39%, His support with non-whites is 73%. This illustrates how amnesty can change the U.S., not only in terms of racial makeup but also in terms of political ideology.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124484/Obama-Approval-Slide-Finds-Whites-Down-39.aspx
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Why can’t you link AP? — KH
AP has a standing policy that only members may use their materials. They extended that to bloggers in 2006. Now how MPT did his posting falls under fair use provisions of the Copyright Act. However there has not been a test case of AP defending the extent of their restrictions vis a vis Fair Use a yet in court.
JM concern is, lets not make BJG the test case for this.
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This illustrates how amnesty can change the U.S., not only in terms of racial makeup but also in terms of political ideology. — BC
I don’t disagree with your assessment as it would relate to amnesty. However as it relates to polling, hmmm. I take it your contention is that if amnesty passed that the polling would go from 73% to 95%? If so why? Pollsters generally don’t ask are you an illegal when they ring a household. If anything the polling numbers probably include that % of the population that is here illegally in their number, less 5% or so that will just refuse to take the poll.
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Is this a honkie? Honkie
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O/T…the RealClearPolitics AVERAGE approval for Obama is below 50% for the first time ever.
Yes, CBS will come in with a poll showing 118% of people approve, but until they do…
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The southern cousin of the honkie has a red band around his neck.
We, er they, also cut their hair funny (all business up front, party in the back) and wear white socks.
Love Elvis, too.
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The question I want to know is how is Al Gore involved? The man’s a Pol, on scientific matters he has the IQ of a fruit cake. So he schlummed his way into this deal based on inside information then tapped some financial folks to monetize it. But who/what was Al’s link to jump on this bandwagon? The depth of this fraud could be far more reaching than just a few kooks holed up in basements cooking data. Played right we could destroy about a third of the democratic base in peeling back this onion. (Imagine every environazi org neutered and you understand impact this could have on the Dims.)
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don’t know about alGore, but Holdren’s name has already surfaced in some of the emails.
and, of course, some of the emails were directly TO the NY Times…and STILL they said nothing! [gasp!]
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“Obama’s support among honkies is down to 39%,”
Honkies! LOL
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Mullet,
Don’t forget –
* We have more invested in the 4×4 than the trailer.
* We DO think Blue Collar Comedy Tour is funny.
* Ted Neugent is our hero, Sarah our protector, the Flag our shield.
Probably a few more, hey its a start!
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JR, had not caught the Holdren link, but that IS interesting.
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This is the biggest scientific hoax of all time.
Nothing comes close.
Of course, the leftists will abandon this sinking ship of scandal like rats and soon will be humping another Trojan hobbyhorse for their marxist dreams. Who knows, perhaps they will even exhume global cooling for another go-round.
They will never pay a price, because the leftist elites never do. But I’m still happy, because this base corruption of science will be stopped, and perhaps science can begin the process of reestablishing itself.
For now, let it burn baby burn! More cowbell!
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Most amusing of all is watching that little metrosexual prick at the NYT, Andy Revkin, squirm and slither….
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Assuming that this is the Waterloo for the climate hoaxers, it is chilling to consider how very close they came to pulling off this scam, involving trillions and trillions of dollars in wealth (as well as lives–can you imagine how many people in third-world countries throughout the world would have been sacrificed to the false leftist idols?)
There is a major story waiting to be written here for any journalist with the balls to do it. Do they even exist anymore, or have they all strapped on the knee-pads with Andy Revkin?
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25. You sure it’s not Brooks?
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This is the biggest scientific hoax of all time.
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Yup.
The GOP should offer $10 million for anyone with emails from Gore or any other high ranking Dem, that show deceit or corruption related to GW.
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HA has posted a meltdown video with that obscure loon Ed Begley Jr. losing what was left of his mind on the Cavuto show with Stuart Varney.
You almost have to feel sorry for devoted true believers like Begley, as they begin to realize that they have been completely scammed.
This is their central faith and religion, and it is crumbling around them.
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perhaps they will even exhume global cooling for another go-round — PG
That would suit Time. They can reprint that 1975 issue that had global cooling in it ad infinitum. Most profitable issue they will ever print.
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Eph, I don’t think so. Who is Andrew Brooks?
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Revkin’s kissing cousin.
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In the end, the irony is wonderful.
That big yellow ball of fire in the sky is the principal reason why the temperature of the earth’s climate oscillates.
Any elementary schoolchild could have pointed this out, despite it being missed by hundreds of politically-committed scientists with PhD degrees that have now been thoroughly desecrated and devalued.
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Oh, David Brooks.
LOL.
Not enough coffee this morning….
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Why do we have morons like this Daivd Brooks smuck calling themselves Conservatives and righting this absolute horses^*t:
“We all have to decide what we want at this moment in history, vitality or security. We can debate this or that provision, but where we come down will depend on that moral preference. Don’t get stupefied by technical details. This debate is about values.”
I like this guys response as he is absolutely correct:
http://healthcare.nationalreview.com/
“There are elements of truth in Brooks’s words, and he’s right that this debate is about values. But it’s not about decency versus vibrancy, about easing anxiety versus promoting growth.
Rather, it’s about liberty versus equality, personal control versus governmental control, dispersed power versus centralized power, freedom versus statism, American Founding principles of limited government and natural rights versus Progressive principles of activist government and conventional (man-made) “rights.”
There is nothing particularly noble, compassionate, or decent about helping to hold a gun to your neighbor’s head and saying that he or she must now pay more money to the state to cover the costs of someone else’s health care. Compassion and decency are much more in evidence in offering your own limited time or hard-earned money to help the needy, in imploring (not forcing) others to do so, in forming civil associations to help, even in leading local government action (from which people can far more easily flee if it becomes oppressive).
This debate is about vibrancy; that is true. But it’s also about decency, and they’re on the same side of the fence. For there is nothing more decent than fighting for liberty”
I would add that there is nothing decent about getting millions killed early and to promote the killing of the unborn with tax money….
Plus this useful idiot Brooks unquestionally excepts the statist premsis that this “saves money” – utterly false as premiums and taxes will skyrocket!
Also, there isnt a wit of “security” when the government has you by the balls for your medical care and keeps pinching harder….
The whole complete finanical collapse thru debt thing kind s^&tcans “securtity” too IMHO….
Didnt this Brooks clown gush about what a “wonderful” centerist ObScuma would be? Sheeeh, no wonder only the NYT will employ this goatcluster…..
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Polar Bears Suffering
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That video is excellent…and looks to go viral very quickly!
I especially like alGore on his knees in prison with two of his, uh, “dates”.
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#36 They will get “free” health insurance under CrappyCare…..uh, wait, they are whiter then the Honkies….no, they are skrewed lol
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Poster Boy For Global Warming
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Working Hard at Global Warming
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WEC,
The core argument is one of security. Or should I say the lack of one. No one has security short of their ability to fend for themselves. To then turn to the government and have someone claim that having health care provided is security if false. Fact it is worse that false.
For now one has a person believing they are secure in their physical being via coverage. Only to find out that when they absolutely need the coverage they are excluded by the edicts of some board. Worse yet having no recourse on the issue.
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I wouldn’t laugh too soon. These elites are still in power, still committed, and may well be able to completely bottle this up and move forward with their agenda.
Whoever it was that leaked the documents had better be very careful.
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This whole thing is the answer to my prayers. I have been trying to deprogram friends, family and acquaintances to the absurdity of this hoax for almost two decades. I love it. I guess we need to pray more, huh, INC, et al. It seems to be working!
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Hot under the Collar
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Sorry bit I gotta include THIS ONE
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#42 I suspect the honkies!
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Whoever it was that leaked the documents had better be very careful. — PG
It would complete the circle, of this jerk, if we find out that it was one of their own…
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#41 Exactly, when you cede your freedom, $$$, and power to unelected technocrats then they have you by the gonads….
You have no recourse except if you are politically connected or uber wealthy and can cheat the system….
This is exactly why medical care must remain a personal and/or family matter…
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I agree. Fraud of the Century.
And it is going to be next to impossible to put the genie back in the bottle, although zero and friends will try.
Media. Media. Wherefore are thou, Media?
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Now that man made global warming is discovered to be, well, man made data, I am so glad I have held on to my coming ice age material I bought 35 years ago….lol.
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Media. Media. Wherefore are thou, Media? – mulletover
mullet, We are media. I have been sending key articles to friends, relatives and acquaintances.
I also sent a special email about this to my few totally lib friends. It was fun to see them squirming in their cocoons.
Let everyone know.
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Someone made the comment, I forget where, that this now in fact proves the truth of man-made global warming, since we now know specifically WHICH men.
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OT,
Wonder why Obama’s policies aren’t having any effect? Well here is one clue, lack of private sector experience.
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Well done inky
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My only comment on GoreScam or whatever this fraud will be labeled:
No Crap, eh?
The sheer amount of gulibility and, to quote my favorite hysterical liberal Hillary, “willful suspension of disbeleif” that it takes to think that the action of the mere specs in the universive called “humans” could trump the awesome power one of a mere ONE of the TRILLIONS of STARS
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#53 He is good at extorting from the private sector (as all lawyers are)….
However, he has never produced one useful product or service that has helped his fellow man….
I dont count using government force to rob from one citizen to give to a politically favored one “giving”
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OK, this is happening now. Houston Chronicle is pushing a AGW story on the editorial page. Based on events of the past week its jibberish. The real story is in the comments. Read them. Many are real gems. Link.
HT: NewsBusters
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Uh Oh Batman!
Looks like Whorehouse Harry Balls Reid is in heap big trouble!
“According to new data from American CoreLogic, the proportion of U.S. homeowners who owe more on their mortgages than the properties are worth has swelled to about 23%, including 65% of all households in Nevada.”
This may cause more then just honkies to be upset!
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Is this an upset Honkie?
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AlGore needs to be frog-marched before a senate hearing–oh, wait a sec.
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Here are the results of recent polls from Real Clear Politics. Note the difference between the polls sponsored by CBS and CNN versus the rest of the polls.
Poll Date Sample Approve Disapprove Spread
RCP Average 11/12 – 11/23 — 49.7 44.6 +5.1
USA Today/Gallup 11/20 – 11/22 1017 A 50 46 +4
Rasmussen Reports 11/21 – 11/23 1500 LV 45 54 -9
Gallup 11/21 – 11/23 1547 A 49 44 +5
FOX News 11/17 – 11/18 900 RV 46 46 Tie
CBS News 11/13 – 11/16 1167 A 53 36 +17
Democracy Corps (D) 11/12 – 11/16 1000 RV 50 44 +6
CNN/Opinion Research 11/13 – 11/15 1014 A 55 42 +13
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Members of the Senate need to be frog-marched before a committee of pissed-off honkies.
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CT,
Oh I forgot about his testimony before the Senate. That’s perfect. Infohe can now bring Al before another committee and get him drummed up on contempt of congress charges for lying to the Senate. Nice if it happens.
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It’s too bad ABC isn’t on their list right now. You can add them to the CNN and CBS idiots.
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Inhofe would do it too. I wonder where AL is hiding right now?
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Infohe can now bring Al before another committee and get him drummed up on contempt of congress charges for lying to the Senate.
nice thought but this is the same congress that can’t find any wrong doing in the Dodd and Rangel cases.
“In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm and three or more is a congress.”–John Adams
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GN -
“I take it your contention is that if amnesty passed that the polling would go from 73% to 95%?”
No, somewhat the opposite. With more Hispanics includes, Obama’s non-white approval rating might drop somewhat (as he is more popular with blacks than Hispanics). My contention is that Obama’s overall approval rating would be higher than the 49% it currently is with more Hispanics.
My overall goal was to show the country would be more liberal after amnesty, which I believe we all agree on.
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That SOB Gore has costed untold Americans many jobs because of his part in the global warming bullshit.
However, first we must ask, ‘What did he know and when did he know it?’
I’m under the impression that he was duped (at first) then became aware of the fraud and then has helped to maintain the fraud.
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DOBBS GOES OFF THE MEDS!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125910998942663259.html
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The web is great, isn’t it? A story begins and then explodes and then it’s on YouTube!!!
MI Conservative, those pics are great. You and IP must spend time collecting them.
Dr. Dog, I looked at the comments. The article is totally clueless and the readers are letting them know!!!
Apparently, the clowns on the Houston Comical editorial board do zero research prior to sitting down at the keyboard to compose their lies….
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ClimateGate is now the top story at Memeorandum!
http://memeorandum.com/
In other news, Obama is headed to Copenhagen. Hot Air commenters are tearing that apart.
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From your link, EPH
“[He] (Dobbs) now supports a plan to legalize millions of undocumented workers, a stance he long lambasted as an unfair “amnesty.”"
The flip-flop of the year.
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Dobbs== Just another political whore.
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I enjoyed the desperation of defenders of the faith like jjwestii.
Literally dripping off the posts.
Of course, he/she probably has significant grant money financial stakes involved, and it’s all swirling down the hole that has been blasted into the hull of AGW.
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If you have the time, read through some of the links I had above. If I’d done any excerpts, the post would have been two miles long. This is from the Inhofe link:
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I stated more than once that Dobbs was a charlatan and a fraud.
I will state the same about Beck.
Careful who you follow. There is big money to be made in becoming the pied piper du-jour.
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BC, that was DD not GN.
Not wanting to say, lets see, I don’t think the poll numbers would change that much.
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PG, I agree with your opinion of Dobbs, but I’m surprised you put Beck in the same boat. I’m not saying you’re wrong, just saying you’ll have to drag me along kicking and screaming and slap me upside the head until I get it.
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This is a post Michelle Malkin had up yesterday about John Holdren:
Science czar John Holdren and ClimateGate: Perfect together
She links to Canadian Free Press:
Obama’s Science Czar John Holdren involved in unwinding “Climategate” scandal
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If global warming is no longer an issue, the GOP, if they had any guts at all, would be pushing drilling in ANWR today.
DRILL BABY DRILL
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I know, CT–that’s just my opinion and I know most here disagree with it.
The guy creeps me out.
If I’m wrong, so be it. But to me he and Dobbs are very similar.
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The GOP, if they had any sense, would also be advocating full-scale nuclear conversion, and exposing the Left’s bald-faced hypocrisy.
It’s where we’re all going to end up in a few decades anyways, so let’s get going.
Unless the Left has its way–in that case we will all be poor, starving and freezing, while they live in comfort.
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We’ll also all be stonce-col ignorant.
But then, 52% of us are already there.
If we’re lucky, our masters will still let us have our TV and toys.
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Ok PG
We’ll just have to see what he does from here on. I hope you are wrong about him.
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PG, I personnally like Beck…and appreciate the work he is doing to wake people up and arm them with facts!
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’stone-cold’
time to go…..
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While Dobbs ‘pussys’ out…BECK IS AWESOME
http://www.therightscoop.com/beck-doesnt-trust-obama-tells-his-newphew-not-to-reenlist/
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I know, I’m completely alone in my opinion.
What can I tell you, it’s how I feel.
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Every revolution attracts its share of charlatan leaders.
I’m just telling you to remember that fact.
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I think Al Gore is facing an Inconvenient Truth right about now. When will the Nobel Peace Prize committee strip him of his award?
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#66 Four or more is a Confederacy of Dunces…..which is what we have now lol
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#76 I agree with you about Beck – he is great about ID problems/threats and making liberals look like fools….
however, his “solutions” are just totally whack….
His “the R and D are the same” crap is just plain stupid and gutless populist pandering…..
While the GOP might occassionally err badly and get downright gutless and stupid, they are much much better then the hard core statist party….
Plus, you live in fantasy land if you expect politicians to be some thing akin secular saints…..they are in the business of aquiring popularity and power for themselves for the most part…..thats why you have to maintain active participation in the political system to keep them in check….
Never the less, I do enjoy listen to Mark Levin skewer Beck on his idiocy…..calls a spade a spade in this case lol
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Yeah, Wiley, anyone pushing conservatives down the garden primrose third-party path is in my opinion doing great damage to the conservative cause.
Which makes me wonder what motivates someone to do that. Who would it primarily benefit? In my opinion it would primarily benefit Beck.
Well, I don’t know, but I’ll make this last point and then shut up on the topic. There are some people that just ring true, and others that ring hollow.
To me, Sarah Palin rings true. Beck does not.
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Beck is an entertainer who just happens to have a staff that can do a good job of connecting the dots. He’s a latter day Will Rogers. That being said, there is no harm in accepting some of the things he points out when he has the facts behind him. When he’s wrong, well that is for each of us to ferret out as well.
But he is doing two things you rarely see on TV these days. 1) He highlights the problems average Americans face and what Wash DC policies are doing to them. Re: His Friday shows with Doctors and conservative blacks come to mind. 2) He will dedicate a whole hour to a specific issue from time to time that has been in depth in some cases. Most of TV does a 1:53 on such issues and moves on.
Just Sayin’.
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#93 I concur. Identify problems and whining is easy.
Also, proposing “solutions” that amount to nothing more then sheer fantasy is easy too – especially ones like thrid parties that are sheer losers….
As Mark Levin points out, the only workable alternative is to get involved with the VIABLE alternative to the statist party and WORK to change the party and bring the message to your communtiy….of course this takes HARD WORK that few are will to do….
Much easier to say “they are all the same – I wont work, participate, or vote – I will just whine or engage in useless activity”
Again, if you are looking and expecting anyone running for political office to be anything other then human with attending flaws, you will be sorely disappointed everytime…
Besides, I thought that the “politcal savior” stuff was for the statist who thing a king-like fiqure and attending aristorcarcy/elite should make all the decsision in life for us and provide for like children….
I am an adult – I dont need a “charismatic” politican or savior – I just want someone who cans stay consistently dedicated to protecting my rights/freedoms and is committed to limited government/federalisim….
They dont need to save the world either, again that utopian socialist stuff…..they just need to make thing a bit better then go back to private life and pay their taxes like the rest of us!
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#94 Again, I dont disagree with you – beck is good at investigating things and highlighting problems….
But he sucks at properly assesing blame and proposing solutions…..he is downright dangerous….
One of the major causes for us looking down the barrel of permeant statist/leftist/socialist rule is that folks like him have carried the water on the D fifth column campaign with this “they are all the same” crap or by fanning the flames of “all or nothing” ideological purity in the R party…..
Keeping up this useless retoric serves only to empower hard-core statists….
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But he sucks at properly assesing blame and proposing solutions…..he is downright dangerous…. — WEC
Hey WEC, how can you go wrong with the attitude “They both suck!”? That is what Beck seems to pitch. His proposed solutions are a libertarian, Founders principles ideal. Some of it would work (it did before remember) others probably not (eg immigration).
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Well, see they dont both “suck”….
And to the degree that the R party “sucks” still much better then the hard core statists….
Also, the degree to which they suck is in a large measure a reflection of our own apathy and inactivity – we reap what we sow…..
The Beck pitch is dangerous in that you need to win elections to matter – this “both are the same” and “we need something new” crap simply dives conservatives/R and allows the D to win….
This is dangerous and foolish IMHO
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You have to take Beck for what he is, and dr dog is right. He is an entertainer.
He delves into current events with a point of view palatable to conservatives. He is not a movement. Beckism will never be Reaganism, and Beck will never be taken seriously as a policy maker.
The biggest disservice to Palin right now is Fox asking if the 2012 ticket will be Palin/Beck. That marginalizes her and reduces her to nothing but celebrity level. Of all the hype about Beck, that irritates me the most.
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#99 Yeah, I know the guy is a clown. But he can and should stop being a scarry clown!
A this “they are all the same” crap is bogus and dangerous in that it encourages spintering at a time when we need to be unified in oppostion to the statists…..
He can and should be called out on this nonsense and be demanded to stop IMHO
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Come now WEC. Not the same, ok. But do you get to the same destination depending on which train you ride? Personally I say yes. One is just slower.
All you have to do is see Graham, McCain, Snowe, et. al in action to know they are just not the express lane. If there is a difference between the two its this — One is reformable (Reps) the other is not and deserves to be jailed (Dims).
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Beck helps us
Beck has taken Communist scalps while the Frums of this world have whined about licking Obama’s toes and then maybe he’ll be nice to us
He gets results, I like that
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#101 As large as this country is, if your party is the majority you will always have your Snowes, etc to deal with….
If you insist on all-or-nothing thought or results you will always get nothing…..or the shaft like we are just dealing with right now….
There was and is a huge difference between R and D – to run around and foster populist nonsense and splinter the opposition vote is nonsense
#102 I never said he was not entertaining or an assest…..I simply said that his third party and all-the-same line is BS and dangerous to the overall goal of perserving our individual rights and liberties!
While getting rid of two commie advisors is nice, they are simply replaced with more (and there are thousands more out there) of the same and are just an email away anyways….
The only permenant fix to this is to WIN elections with candidates who can beat the oppostion…..
This requires adult maturity on our part in that we should not expect perfection from our politicians and that someone with us more often then not is much better then a 80-100% down the line statist….
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I know, I’m completely alone in my opinion.
What can I tell you, it’s how I feel.
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I don’t agree but that fine, hey wait JR\JM don’t we have to kick him out of the theocratic authoritarian land … you know for having a contrarian view?
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My view… Beck entertainer who also does a great job effectively disseminating information in digestable form to the masses, much like Rush but they are not the same. Both have done far, far, far more good then harm.
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I agree with Phineas about Beck. The guy gives me the creeps.
Two things: (1)he equates R’s with D’s…..which is dangerous and absurd. I have a lot of problems with R’s but they are not Marxists and Fascists like the majority of D’s so it is disingenuous and harmful to imply they are equals.
(2) he always cites Murrow as a great journalist for calling out Joe McCarthy. That ought to piss you off too, Tony. The successful demonization of Joe Mc opened the door for the Commies to take over academia, entertainment and media.
I give him a more good than bad rating, like BOR. But I don’t trust him, I think he might be pushing 3rd party in a year when is absolutely necessary we win back the House.
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Agree Bruce, but overall Beck is more help than harm, IMO.
And he is one of the very few to really go after the Communist and back his talk up with facts.
Without Beck, Palin, and Bachmann, I really think HC would have passed by now.