Ft. Hood Shooting
UPDATE: Suspect alive and in custody
UPDATE 5:20 EST: ABC News (via Hot Air):
The suspected gunman was identified as Major Malik Nadal Hasan. He was killed and two other suspects have been apprehended, Lt. Robert W. Cone said.
Ed Morrissey:
According to Brian Ross at ABC, Hasan was a convert to Islam.
*****Original Post Below*****
FOX News: At Least 7 Dead, 12 Wounded in Shooting at Ft. Hood in Texas.
Update from FOX: Wounded count at 20.
FOX is reporting one suspect is in custody.
The men were reportedly dressed in Army fatigues, but military officials couldn’t confirm that they were Army personnel.
NBC:
…One gunman was reportedly in custody and another was on the loose, NBC News said. A third shooter may be involved, according to NBC News affiliate KCEN, which said the person had opened fire on the SWAT team at the base.
There is conflicting information. We’ll have to see how it sorts out. Austin American-Statesman:
An Army spokesman at the Pentagon says the shootings began about 1:30 p.m. Thursday at a personnel and medical processing center at Fort Hood, the AP said.
The spokesman, Lieutenant Colonel Nathan Banks, says two shooters were apparently involved….Greg Schannep, an aide to U.S. Rep. John Carter, said he was on the Army post to attend a graduation service. He said that as he neared the entrance of a building where the service was being held, a soldier with blood on his uniform ran past him and said a man was shooting.
Schannep said the shootings appeared to have occurred in a complex near a theater where the service was scheduled….
Live Twitter feed. Take it with a box of salt. The updates will be mixed–probably some from news agencies and some from individuals.
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H/T: TLS for the story, FOX News, NBC News, Austin-American Statesman, ABC News, Hot Air.
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God bless our troops against all enemies foreign and domestic!!
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God bless and protect our troops.
and God DAMN the A/P which inserted THIS paragraph in their story:
…it is too soon to tell whether there is any link to battle stress or repeated deployments. The Army is suffering a record high suicide rate and other signs of stress from fighting two wars.
they have NO CLUE who or what is involved…and so speculate this way.
F**K them!!! [in case you can't tell, I am PISSED!]
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Yeah, I saw that as well. You know they’re going to do that.
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DO NOT WORRY!!!
CAPTAIN INDECISION HAS BEEN NOTIFIED AND THE SITUATION ROOM IS IN FULL SWING!
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JR – There isn’t even data yet on who the shooters are.
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Speaking of this, did that muslim GI that killed a number of our own troops ever get the death penalty??
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Some conflicting reports.
1 apprehended (at original known shooting location, soldier intake processing center).
Reports of two other shootings on opposite sides of the base not confirmed, being checked out.
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Seems like the info is either incorrect, or there was some kind of coordinated attack.
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IP – Course not.
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Presser coming in 15\20 minutes. (so I guess it’s under control what ever happened)
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FBI: Not terrorism
(interesting… that was a fast determination)
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How can they know so quickly?
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Who knows… 5 minutes ago the report was FBI was dispatched to the base…
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No terrorism “nexus” is now the claification from Katherin Heritage of fox from FBI source.
Maybe the capture dude has already been interviewed.
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“Not Terrorism” is the standard FBI line.
A/P got their bullshit line out there regarding “stress” and even FoxNews included their feed.
time will tell
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It was funny even Cavuto was like “How do they know already?”
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Latest reports indicate that the shooters were military, but how you can conclude so quickly that it was not inside terrorism, I don’t know.
You’ll know the race or ethnic group soon enough–if it was white male the media will be trumpeting it, if minority look for many oblique, non-descriptive references.
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If it’s a muslim the story will go away overnight.
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9 dead, 27 injured.
Military presser starting soon, bambi to speak as well shortly. (bambi probably on the phone telling the military not to upstage him)
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‘If it’s a muslim the story will go away overnight.’
Probably not, because it’s always a happy day in the media newsroom when military personnel are killed.
Sorry to be harsh, but it’s the damn truth and should be stated.
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now saying 12 dead.
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Mil. Presser:
13:30 today soldier readiness center shooter opened fire, 2 hand guns used.
12 dead, 31 wounded. dispersed among local hospitals at this time, wounds vary.
Shooter was killed, was a solider.
2 additional soldiers apprehended they are suspects based on witness reports of additional shooters.
Lockdown is still in effect, and will be for a bit longer.
Motives unknown
No children killed.
MP’s killed confirmed shooter.
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If white they will be “skinheads”
If black they will be “dissafected troops.”
If muslim they will be “freedom fighters.”
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MSNBC–’Arabic last name’
Ruh-roh…..
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Was there really any doubt??
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There was some hope on my part IP
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wtf Bambi on TV and leads with 5 minutes about the lame conference he was at till he gets to the remarks about ft. hood.
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just read the MSNBC account…need more grains of salt for anything from them. that said, they indicated a MAJOR with an “Arabic sounding name”.
IF there were others, even one, involved, then the odds of this just being a disaffected soldier go way down.
this story has a long ways to go
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Praying.
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I am going to make this thread sticky for a while, even though I have a featured post scheduled for 3pm pst. The featured post will be directly below this one. Thanks.
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I hope there’s at least one non-PC journalist on the scene.
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Shep Smith pushing the “stress” angle…. sigh… get this ass off the air fox, replace him with the judge or one of the hot info babes jill dobson comes to mind.
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Shep pulls in the metrosexual demographic.
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correction to what I posted…11 dead plus the murderer. I don’t like counting them.
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Good point JR.
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Gun confiscation on the way.
Ours, not the ones belonging to muslim-sounding named individuals.
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btw update: It was local police that killed the shooter (apparently they were on scene for some reason)
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I was thinking the same thing soon as I heard “shooting at ft. hood”.
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I don’t like counting them.
~JR
Put them in a separate category.
11 dead
1 exterminated
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Might as well add it into the healthcare bill at this point.
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Austin-American Stateman has this:
Any of you Texans know about him? It seems a bit too soon to say this as well.
He was chairman of the Homeland Security Investigations subcommittee in 2006, that produced the report “A Line in the Sand”, that I’ve linked to numerous times about problems on the border.
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Major Malik Nadal Hasan
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Major Malik Nadal Hasan. was the shooter
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I put his name in an update at the top of the post.
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Three now in custody. sorry about the duplicate info
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Major Malik Nadal Hasan
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Thanks for the update. What were the names of his accomplices? Have they been released yet?
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Not that I’ve seen.
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Sorry for the duplication.
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McCaul might be too out infront of the story right now…. that or he’s been tipped off by insiders that know where this is heading.
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From Ed: According to Brian Ross at ABC, Hasan was a convert to Islam.
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No they are still being questioned … wait let me put on my code pink hat, they are still being tortured!
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Islam? No way! That is the religion of peace!
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Even as the details continue to come out, two questions:
1. how will the marxist spin it?
2. how will the media spin it?
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Commanders are now clamping down on all information according to fox.
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Praying for the people gunned down at Fort Hood today and their families and friends. I hope they accidentally beat the living hell out of the suspects and accidentally run them over a couple of times with a tank on the way to jail.
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I wonder who gave the orders to go quiet? IOW, is this a political maneuver to give more time for the WH to develop a spin?
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mamacags, good reminder to pray for those families and friends.
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Senator Hutchinson just said the three were to be deployed to Iraq, and many of the dead and wounded were to be deployed.
To all those who are spinning the post traumatic stress story, how can you have that before you go?
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#56 If that is the case, expect “it’s Bush’s fault” in 5-4-3-2-
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Speculation = a convert to Islam.
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Mullet, ABC said he was.
Jihad Watch is posting on this. No new info, but it’s a site to watch. Here’s Robert Spencer’s take:
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Lady boy shep is really pissing me off because he will not say the name on air.
Expect a cover up if a Major went jihadi on us.
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Fox news confirmed Islam.
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Yup JM but Shep has said on the air he will not report it or the name doesnt think it’s appropriate.
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Shep should be fired. The name is key.
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Wonder if Shep would have any problem reporting a evangelical Christian association…..?
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Shep is a dip $#!@ of course he wouldn’t mind calling out a Christian. Muslims on the other hand….shhhhhhhh
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No, he’d probably tell you the seminary the guy attended.
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Has Shep converted yet?
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Maybe his boyfriend has?
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One of AP’s early updates had this info:
That was before we knew one was a convert to Islam.
This sounds like a jihad to me.
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Perry says he has no information about shooter(s).
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I am thinking extremely un-charitable thoughts right now towards the “Religion of Peace”.
Ever since Ireland settled down, 99% of all terrorism in the world is related to them. And before Ireland settled down all the violence was in Ireland or England.
Yet Tea Party people are the focus of DHS.
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2 Hand guns is what was stated at the presser.
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Can’t wait for the kumbaya statement from the marxist. The feigned concern for the victims will be nauseating…..although I guess it might be genuine for the shooter.
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KH, the paragraphs about the M-16’s are now gone from the link Hot Air had:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/78425.html
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#73 Well all “reasonable” people know that “those people” who support individual rights, personal freedom, Federalism, and limited/Constitutional government are the REAL threat…..so says HHS, etc
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thos update from HotAir:
Update: In case you’re wondering whether the other two soldiers in custody were actual accomplices or just being questioned because they knew Hasan, Rick Perry just said at the presser he’s holding that all three were shooters.
there is NO WAY that this is about “dissaffected soldiers with stress”
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Everybody and every blog knows the SOB’s name, but Shep and the wussy assgnt editor won’t say. This abundance of caution is ridiculous/
A commenter at Gateway Pundit nails it.
I.S.L.A.M.
Not P.T.S.D.
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“Can’t wait for the kumbaya statement from the marxist. The feigned concern for the victims will be nauseating”
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Already happened like an hour ago.
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That’s not the one I’m waiting for, KH.
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Apparently no word yet as to whether the 3 shooters shouted “Allah Akbar” before opening fire.
the odds of this NOT being at least a conspiracy between three Muslims (recent converts or not) are now approaching zero.
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Bret just confirmed name… thanks for wasting time shep.
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Two handguns
11 dead
1 shooter dead
31 wounded
The ballistics investigation is going to be quite involved.
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justrand, the bigger and more important question is if they had outside direction and who they were.
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“That’s not the one I’m waiting for, KH.”
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Oh you mean the one where he addresses the nation and states how this our fault, bush’s fault, and out universal health care would have prevented this somehow?
lol
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Bingo
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“Very deliberate act, shooter went about business very precisely executing people” – fox pentagon gut steve whatever..
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call for Christians to show restraint coming in 3…2…1…
Christians ALWAYS show restraint. Since 9/11 there have been virtually ZERO incidents of violence against Muslims in this country. Meanwhile the incidents against Jews and Christians continue to mount.
I am NOT advocating violence against ANY group…including Muslims. I AM advocating allowing our military and police forces to be allowed to OPEN THEIR EYES.
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General Scales on Fox says it was a deliberate act of execution. Shooter went about his job with great precision.
BS on “not terrorism.”
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2 hand guns?? 31 wounded, 11 dead, hmmm guessing those other three had to be involved, that or he bought quite a few clips with him.
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this was not ONE shooter using HANDGUNS. Impossible on an Army base to kill and wound that many soldiers if there is just one shooter using handguns.
At least one other person had to be shooting…and the weapons would most likely have to be more powerful and faster rate of fire than handguns
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Just throwing this out there but do any of you think this is related? Hence the hush hush now?
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#86 Gun are after all a “public health” issue – the socialists will likely shrug this tradgedy off and go ahead and vote in their HC takeover scheme on Sat as planned….
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that’s what I was thinking, justrand—handguns????
what is this, media fantasyland?
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#86 Followed by another apologize for America tour. If we weren’t such mean meanies then everyone would love us and instead of shooting, they would throw candy hearts and rainbows. *barf*
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The plain fact is that agents of Iran or AQ, or both, are running terrorist elements in the U.S, including the prisons and the military.
Many of these are converted blacks.
Fact.
Sorry.
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could be, JM. or just a coincidence.
I suspect the news blackout now is to give everyone a chance to come up with some explanation that ISN’T terrorism. Reality is going to have to take a backseat, apparently.
I’m really eager to hear the names of the other shooters.
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#95 Hey, a guy with military training and a very DENSE room full of people (it was a personnel processing building) its very possible that a handgun could do that damage
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#98 Rep Carter on Fox just said the other 2x suspects were released after questioning but know MP are looking for another suspect that is at large….
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Released?
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Wylie, soldiers generally do NOT sit and wait to be killed. One shooter with an automatic weapon could do such damage…but the rate of fire with handguns, and the limitations on magazine size make this utterly unlikely.
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Yes, a 9mm handgun with 15 round magazine (standard USmil issue, very popular among civvies too, I own three of them) could easily do that much damage, and it’s possible he had a spare mag or even an extra pistol.
But it must have been a confined area, or a radius of less than 50′, most likely.
I don’t know.
I hate how they say No Terrorism before they even know anything, and when the killer is Muslim.
It’s terrorism.
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Close range weapon
42 good shots from 2 handguns
Two reloads
before the remaining professionally trained soldiers could subdue him?
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Next up: shopping malls and schools.
Wait until Beslan goes down in the U.S.
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The FBI said the DC sniper was not terror
The FBI said the NC car killer was not terror.
The FBI said the El Al airline shootings were not terror.
In each case, they were Muslims attacking non-muslims with deadly force. In each case the attacker, if he admitted his crime, named defense of his faith as the case, as far as I know.
It’s terrorism.
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Right Wing – I agree with you, with a hand gun it has to be close. Most gun fights using hand guns is within 25 feet.
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What was that Arkansas shooting of soldiers last year?
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Tiller’s death was declared terrorism within minutes. A muslim shooting mass casualties on a military base? Definitely NOT terrorism! Islam=peace!
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oh, I’d forgotten about the 30 wounded.
That’s a minimum of 42 shots hitting home? That might be difficult with a pistol.
Unless he had help fending off potential victims, or was in a place where he could not be easily reached and disarmed.
Or, he’s very good with a pistol. It’s possible.
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#100 No they would sit and wait but you have to understand that these processing facilities pack HUNDREDS of troops into large rooms with limited exits with very limited ingress/egress…..and the troops in the facilities going about their normal business would not be armed…..strangely enough our military bases are “gun-free” zones where we gun control and registration are taken to the liberal absolutes…….
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Correct I meant “would not”
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Yeah, any right winger or prolife killer, it’s terror. Whenever it’s not either of those, anyone who calls it terror is attacked as a terrorist.
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I don’t know from guns, but I seriously doubt one individual with a handgun. Maybe if there were other shooters.
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#103 The area would have been fairly confined but would have had lots and lots of troops in the area…..these overseas processing facilities bring in soliders by the hundreds to get them ready to deploy….
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WEC, you are right. Weaps are strictly regulated and confined. Thus, soldiers are more vulnerable than civilians would be, once you got past the guarded gates…
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Or Arlen might deduce a magic bullet theory.
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heh. not funny…
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Phin, it could be done with handgun, depending upon the circumstances. If it was, it was the worst possible circumstances, I guess.
Those poor troops and their families. God give them strength..
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#104 Well they were unarmed professionally trained soliders. Also, while everyone does get BCT (Basic Combat Training), the number of soldiers who actually are in frontline combat units (Infantry, Armor, Field Artillery, Combat Engineers) are actually fairly small in number (like maybe 1 in 5). Other types of non-combat units would not have the types of close combat skilled soldiers need to perhaps take aggressive counteraction especially unarmed.
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Wow, just got back from lunch and it seems all hell broke lose. I feel sick for the families of the dead soldiers. There will be hell to pay if this is the case of a political correctness allowing a bad seed to fester in the military. Just what our soldiers need to bolster their moral.
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I’m thinking a second shooter.
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Latest update at HA asks a good question:
‘And yet another reminder: Hearing rumblings on Twitter right now that Perry was wrong and that the two other “suspects” have now been released. Was Hasan, in fact, a lone gunman? If so, how’d those four SWAT members end up wounded? Surely he didn’t surprise them all after they arrived on the scene.’
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I have to run–might be out for a couple of hours. See y’all later.
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Good question, Phin.
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#116 I could almost 100% guarentee that nobody in that building was armed except that shooter…..nearest armed personnel where the gate guards or at the MP station or in an MP Patrol car……Being a MAJ in the Army he knew this as well and likely picked the most target rich environment…..a processing facility with 100’s of unarmed people in a confined space…..again, I am speculating but this seems very very cold blooded and caluclating regardless of final motive….this guy knew he had sheep (so to speak as they were very vunerable) there to slaugter…
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#121 Being a MAJ working as a doctor in Army Mental health service, there may be a good chance that he was a “direct commision” to fill a shortage medical skill….so he COULD have come in as a MAJ and served a very short time only…..we will have to wait and see his background
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BTW this guy was a Army Mental Health professional.
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Was recently transferred from Walter Reed. I’m wondering how many minds he ruined along the way.
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later, INCy
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Mental health, eh? The better to manipulate?
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HD confirms, was also a licensed shrink in Maryland.
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Yeah, I hate pure speculation but the military does make exceptions and offer higher then entry level rank (2LT) for specific medical skills sets if there are short in that medical speciality….as I said, just a possibility. This guy could have came in as and served 10-12 years too we just have to see. But the medical branch does get these type of exceptions to get skilled medical professionals since it takes years to get trained as a Doctor, nurse, etc.
People will probably slam me for making this “insensative” comment/observation but medicial/doctor shortages in the military are a chronic problem as its basically a mini-socialist medical system where they essentially become government employees on a fixed income. The younger doctors that the militray pays the education for often leave service after a few years for higher pay in the civilian medical world. So the military must constantly recruit and give special exceptions to get older personnel in to fill the shortages. They also import alot of contracted civilian Doctors from India, etc just like Canada and the UK do to fill slots in stateside hospitals. Also, many bad US docs contract to work for the military as they get immunity for malpractice.
Just something to thing about as HC so-called reform will be back in our grill on SAT.
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yeah. WEC, you’re a prolific writer. I very much enjoyed your letter to your socialist senator.
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does he get 72 virgins or one 72 year old virgin?
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I am going to remove the sticky on this thread in about 15 minutes, but will bump if there are any more updates.
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Whew. I just typed something very politically incorrect but changed my mind about posting it.
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Thanks RWY. I have a massive amount of political incorrectness rolling around in my head right now too….
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#134 Thanks, I am glad you enjoyed it. It made me feel much better sending that sucker back off to Senator Socialist!
Of course, their is a much much better chance for me to invent a cold fusion nuclear reactor with my jar of Peanut Butter (goober grape) then get that statist Senator to even reconsider for a mere second….
But we have got to keep fighting these people and trying to get them to listen!
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Hasan never deployed to Iraq or Afgan….so much for “PTSD” theory
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So now the whine is that he was harassed for being muslim? Great.
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Just got done reading throught the posts. My prayers go out to the friends and family of those killed.
Since the FBI has been harping on “not terrorism”, has the Obama White House lowered the alert status to “all green” yet?
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Sounds like family BS to me JM.
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More likely teased for being a pussy and not wanting to deploy, to the point where he tried to make a legal case about it.
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Yeah, but the first thing I thought of was those cartoons when the angry muslims were calling for jihad over freaking drawings….now you have a guy (here comes the spin) so distraught over religious prosecution that he felt he had no other choice but to shoot at a room full of soldiers…..blah blah blah….he is the new victim…..welcome fresh sensitivity training for our kindergartners……
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What is it with these people? Ever since 9/11, no matter what happens, the first thing out of the mouths of government officials is “NOT TERRORISM”
They could be right–it probably isn’t terrorism, but to continously come to that conclusion within minutes of whatever is occuring is dangerous.
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btw… congressman john carter is reporting that he was informed “small arms and some automatic weapons” fire.
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hmm, wonder how they got a rifle or an MG into the kill zone. And if they did, how more weren’t killed….
An MG can kill a lot of peeps very quickly, if they are closely packed.
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I’ll tell ya, I go away to visit some local customer sites and the next thing I know all hell breaks loose. (Like I control the world right?)
CT, I don’t think they (being DHS, FBI, CIA, NSA, et. al.) necessarily pop out with ‘No Terrorism’ by some OODA process. To my mind its a preventive CYA maneuver. Doing so preempts any CAIR/ACLU/SFLC lawsuits.
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Sounds like jihad to me.
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I am waiting for the press conference which should be starting soon. Unfortunately I have to sit through BOR while I wait.
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Fox just said that Hasan drew FBI attention 6 months ago for internet postings equating suicide bombers to soldiers falling on a granade.
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per the abc link, now 13 killed, 30 wounded.
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/soldiers-killed-fort-hood-shooting/story?id=9007938
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Somebody dropped the ball on this guy.
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Wonder if Oak Leaf has a post up on a fellow oak leaf?
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Fox is now reporting the cousin’s story that Hasan was harrassed by colleagues about his ethnicity. My husband would like to know how the #%^&%$#$%^&&^^ a MAJOR (field grade officer) gets harrassed.
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Sounds to me like much to do about nothing (harassment angle).
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just got home…gonna go catch the Press Conference when it starts.
TLS, that’s a great point! A FIELD GRADE officer is not easily “harrassed”. Unless, of course, they feel “harrassed” by EVERYTHING that goes on around them.
This pathetic excuse for a human being sent up SIGNAL FLARES announcing how devoted to Islam he was
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WHOA the shooter is alive?!?!?!?!?!?!
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harrassment = victimhood
IOW, the shooter is the victim.
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http://patdollard.com/2009/11/breaking-and-horrifying-shooting-at-ft-hood-7-dead-12-injured/#comments
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dead
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No virgins for this a$$hole, and there had better be some justice served.
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A semi-automatic weapon and a hand gun.
???
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I am pissed that he said semi auto. That is (pardon the pun) what dems have been gunning for in recent weeks.
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JM, he will get the best of medical care, the best food, swine flu shots ahead of the children, and a Koran and prayer rug. Not to mention ping pong, 42 inch plasma, movie night, and crafts class.
Still negotiating for date night.
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Ok….even if he had 2 semi autos how in the world was he not taken out before he shot/killed that many people. How in the world is he still among the living? I had to turn off the conference after about the 38741289374892174th I don’t know as an answer to a question, but this whole situation has got my blood boiling anyway, but adding to that the misinformation? Something is so wrong in all of this, and I don’t mean the obvious.
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I am frankly stunned.
(a) that the shooter is alive
(b) that he was alone (Wylie was right)
(c) that the shooter is alive!
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Of course, mullet! Why not? It is, after all, the humane thing to do, right?
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1 man, 2 guns, what about reloading? 31 + 11? How freaking large were his clips? Seriously.
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I can only think he must have scoped the place out enough to find a defensible position after his initial shooting. At some point SOMEBODY would have rushed this asshole.
And PLEASE, U.S. Army, make this a SWIFT trial and SWIFTER execution!
I guarantee that CAIR and the ACLU have “boots on the ground” down there already preparing this dickwad’s defense.
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The fact that he is alive means the ACLU will use the religious discrimination bs as a temporary insanity issue. I am spitting nails.
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the UCMJ doesn’t allow for insanity defenses…that’s a civilian thing. and the UCMJ does allow for executions (of course, so does Texas)
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Good. *breathe in, breathe out* Thank you.
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How long will he last when sent to prison?
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31 + 11 + ??? (he must have missed some shots) = 50+
How in the hell does this moron fire that many shots before someone just WOUNDS him?
Seriously, the rest of the jihadis already “sleeping” in this country are watching this and wondering just how inept we must be.
Maybe there were some extenuating circumstances that enabled his to shoot so much and survive. BUT, I can tell you those “circumstances” need to change!
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I am very afraid that we’re going to find out that this attack was handled from the get-go as a “criminal event”. If so the Army needs to change their response IMMEDIATELY!
None of this “Miranda crap”…none of this “non-lethal” force.
If someone attacks us…KILL THEM! Shoot them full of holes…use grenades, bazookas…whatever. It will SAVE LIVES!
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JR,
42 shots and every one a hit. I think your 50 is conservative, given people ducking and dodging and hiding.
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In a room full of unarmed troops, he could do a lot of damage before the MP’s got there. The first response of those being shot at, would be to duck, not charge him.
Prisoners in ww-2 concentration camps could have overwhelmed the guards by sheer numbers, but who wants to be the first to charge the wire?
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I really want to know why he was dead for so many hours before he was alive.
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This brings to mind the incident where a shooter opened fire on a church and a woman with concealed carry took the guy down saving a lot of lives. Too bad concealed carry laws don’t apply to government installations. Must be awful to be defenseless in the face of that kind of firepower.
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ip727…I agree. But just like flight 93, the lesson is if you’re gonna die anyway, at least die trying! And I am not saying the soldiers didn’t die trying. It just seems odd.
The lesson for everyone everywhere: fight or die…or fight AND die…but FIGHT! This creep should have suffocated under a pile of bleeding soldiers! If the soldiers waited for help they screwed up.
just my opinion, and no, I wasn’t there.
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Hasan Akbar is still alive and well today. He was the guy who fragged the two officers in Iraq in 2003.
Damn.
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mullet…I did not know he was still breathing. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?
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Bill Handle on KFI 640am in Los Angeles made the comment today shortly after the shooting that “gun nut” come out after these events and say if people were armed it would save lives. And he said “How can you make that arguement on a military base?” Apparently Handle was too stupid to know up front that military personnel check there guns into the armery and are not walking around armed. As a “gun nut”, let me be the first to say that maybe military should pack a weapon on them at all times in the future.
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Spineless upper echelon .
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I don’t know. I was reading a post at AofS and he linked a wiki page.
I guess he is enjoying life described in post #164
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I just read up on Hasan Akbar. It looks like the automatic Miliary appeal will be up soon, and then they should execute him. If will have been 6+ years, but barring some miscarriage of justice he’ll reach room temperature this year.
Of course, Obama may pardon him. Ya never know.
In California if you are sentenced to death we kill you via Old Age.
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if every soldier in that facility had been armed, then a LOT few people would have died…though Hasan would have been one of them.
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stable condition ??
Michael Jackson is in stable condition.
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So he went from unstable to stable?
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A designated shooter for each barrack would work.
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This is a mental health professional? Whatever happend to ‘First, do no harm’?
I can only imagine the filth he was filling the skulls with under his care.
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I would be checking his friends and associates. These guys tend to gather.
Might be more out there.
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Funny that his guys last name is the same as the fraggers first. No connection, but interesting cowinkydink.
This guy needs to somehow not make it through the night.
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If you were triaging the wounded, and you knew this was the shooter, where would you put his gurney?
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I put up a new thread on Hasan. You guys have probably seen some/most of it, but I thought I put it together to emphasize the amount of political correctness present in this atrocity.
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I am offsetting the political correctness by being politically incorrect.
This story really makes me mad.
So does the muslim buffoon in the WH.
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Go read my last statement in the new post, mullet.