HellCare Update
2009 November 19
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OK – that was a pretty good article. I don’t buy the whole moderate/liberal split. That is all just theatre for us plebs.
The author is right in that Reid really did want a bill done before Thanksgiving. However, I highly doubt any of the vulnerable D Senators are going to be making many public appearances in their home states during the Thanksgiving break. This is NOT the summer recess.
Overall, I think the chances of a bill passing in Jan of 10 is 95%. They might not have the public option right away but they will have the triggers that ensures a gov takeover of HC within a few short years. The bill will also have mandates. The D’s will sell us out on cloture and pass the bill with 51 votes. I guess they will have a lottery to see who amongst the vulnerable D’s is allowed to vote no.
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“Overall, I think the chances of a bill passing in Jan of 10 is 95%. ”
MD,
You’ve been hanging with Phil to much over at the HHR.
I think 30% – of anything at this point.
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I still think it will fail, too many moving parts, Communists’ polling numbers cratering, unemployment still going up…
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You really think it is only 30%? Honestly, all this swirl imo is for our entertainment only. We are being played like a violin.
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3. I agree.
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4. We had the same “entertainment” back in 1993. Remember?
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I still think it will fail, too many moving parts, Communists’ polling numbers cratering, unemployment still going up…
MFG
They don’t care about any of the above. They will do anything to implement their Marxist agenda. How much more evidence do we need? The people at HHR were telling me the bill would never pass the House. Whoops.
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That was a different time and different POTUS. Clinton was a lib to be certain but he was NOT an ideological Marxist. Hussein, quite cleary, is a Communist.
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8. MD
…and unemployment is a ton higher now.
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4. We had the same “entertainment” back in 1993. Remember? — Eph
The entertainment was different then. The stage was a back room in ‘93. It never saw legislative action. This time junk has already passed the House. Might in the Senate.
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#7 Exactly. Nothing about this new crop of lefts says that they are nothing but hell bent on pushing thru this HC takeover come whatever political hell they have to pay in 10 or 12.
They will have put us on an irreversable road to socialism and they know it.
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wylie, I agree-they don’t give a shit about the future-It is do it now!! At any cost.
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#15 I am just frustrated as heck as to what to do about it…..I have thought about driving to DC and starting my own one-man antiCrappyCare protest on the steps of the Capital…..a non-stop antiCrappyCare sit-in lol
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This is a great column from Geogre Will exposing CrappyCare for the Unconstitutional affront to our Liberties, personal freedoms, and individual rights:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/11/19/fighting_a_coericion_clause_99203.html
“Democrats’ health bills depend on forcing individuals to buy insurance or face severe fines or imprisonment. In 1994, the Congressional Budget Office said forcing individuals to buy insurance would be “an unprecedented form of federal action,” adding: “The government has never required people to buy any good or service as a condition of lawful residence in the United States.”
This year, the Congressional Research Service delicately said “it is a novel issue whether Congress may use the (Commerce) Clause to require an individual to purchase a good or service.” Congress has the constitutional power to “regulate commerce … among the several states.” But a Federalist Society study by Peter Urbanowicz and Dennis Smith judges it perverse to exercise coercion under the Commerce Clause “on an individual who chooses not to undertake a commercial transaction.” As Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, says, there is “a fundamental difference between regulating activities in which individuals choose to engage” — e.g, drivers can be required to buy auto insurance — “and requiring such activities” just because an individual exists.
House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., says Congress can tax — i.e., punish — people who do not buy insurance because the Constitution empowers Congress to tax for “the general welfare.” So, could Congress tax persons who do not exercise or eat their spinach?
When asked whether any compulsory insurance purchases are constitutional, Speaker Nancy Pelosi was genuinely astonished: “Are you serious? Are you serious?” In 1803, in Marbury v. Madison, Chief Justice John Marshall wrote, “The powers of the legislature are defined and limited; and that those limits may not be mistaken, or forgotten, the Constitution is written.” He was serious.”
This is exactly the issue with CrappyCare – who gets to make your medical decsions? You or the government?
This is the worst usurption of your individual rights ever proposed!
This is crunchtime for CrappyCare – FoxNews reports Reid is “confident” he has the votes for cloture!
Today is the time to make the phones, PC, and faxes smoke up in DC!
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I’m sticking with my earlier prediction, that HC will not pass.
This does not mean that the dims will try everything they can, legal and illegal, to push it into law. But, there is a lot of counter-resistance out there now, that is just growing!
I’m banking on the throngs of people who don’t want this HC monstrosity in their lives!
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This is crunchtime for CrappyCare – FoxNews reports Reid is “confident” he has the votes for cloture!
Funny pronouncement from a man whose batting average on that score is not quite .333 .
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WEC,
How many posts do you see? I notice on occasion you reference a post # that for all intents does not exist when you post it. Your post #14 references #15. (hope its not my code causing the problem….)
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#19 Sorry, I am just gettin mixed up. I meant to reference post #13.
This is what CrappyCare does to your brain lol
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OBAMACARE IS DEAD:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/19/reid-stripped-stupak-language-from-senate-obamacare-bill/
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it will pass…in a morphable form…but it will pass.
Reid’s “CBO Triumph”?? Turns out the CBO gave a VERBAL ESTIMATE…not their actual analysis. Even if (as seems likely) the CBO real report shows $1.2 TRILLION…the media will ignore it and go with Reid’s VERBAL ESTIMATE.
it’s all a game folks.
p.s. if ya wanna get OUTRAGE go over to HotAir and watch Laura Odonnell on MSNBC go after a kid. The kid more than holds her own…and then Laura: “These people support Palin even if they don’t know why”. prepare to be pissed!
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WEC, thanks! Deep breaths my friend.
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Ip I saw post 11 — seems like you’ve posted that one before too. I guess the state of HC might look and feel like that now. But, I remain hopeful that the American people will prevail over the cruddy politics of DC.
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Quin poll:
Three-quarters of American voters – 74 percent – like President Barack Obama as a person, but only 47 percent like most of his policies, and voters disapprove 51 – 35 percent of the health care overhaul passed by the House of Representatives which he has endorsed, according to a Quinnipiac University national poll released today.
Voters disapprove 53 – 41percent of President Obama’s handling of health care.
Obama’s endorsement of the House of Representatives-passed health care plan makes no difference to 44 percent of American voters, while 24 percent say it makes them view him more favorably; 30 percent less favorably.
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“Arrests of illegal immigrant workers have dropped precipitously under President Obama, according to figures released Wednesday.
Criminal arrests, administrative arrests, indictments and convictions of illegal immigrants at work sites all fell by more than 50 percent from fiscal 2008 to fiscal 2009. ” – WaTimes.
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A shocker to nobody.
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No need to get “hysterical” about CrappyCare:
http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=MjVjY2FmYmE3MTQwNmNlYWRlMzE4YTc5NGQ4OGJkMmM=
“The idea of imprisoning or fining Americans who don’t knuckle under to an unprecedented government mandate to purchase a particular insurance product should outrage anyone who believes in the exceptional promises and opportunities afforded by our basic American freedoms. The idea isn’t progressive but highly regressive, the equivalent of reinstituting debtors’ prisons, a punishment Americans eliminated 160 years ago.
Of course, the prospect of winding up in prison for failing to maintain government-mandated insurance may be of no personal concern to the president or members of Congress. They each receive a Cadillac version of health-care coverage funded by those same American taxpayers who, in the reformers’ vision, will be federal criminals if they have the audacity to make their own decisions about medical insurance.
If the public’s objections to this provision grow loud enough, we will undoubtedly be told that criminal prosecution will be used only against really bad actors. But that same reasoning was used to justify the law that sent inventor and entrepreneur Krister Evertson to federal prison for nearly two years. Evertson testified in July at a bipartisan House hearing investigating the overcriminalization of conduct in America.
In May 2004, FBI agents driving a black Suburban and wearing SWAT gear ran Evertson off the road near his mother’s home in Wasilla, Alaska. When Evertson was face down on the pavement with automatic weapons trained on him, an FBI agent told him he was being arrested because he hadn’t put a federally mandated sticker on a UPS package.”
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“The fact that the penalties for noncompliance are enforceable by criminal prosecution is a chilling abuse of the prosecutorial power, which Columbia law professor Herbert Wechsler pointed out 50 years ago is the greatest power that any government uses against its citizens. Using it to enforce one particular notion of appropriate insurance coverage is nothing less than a tyrannical assertion of raw government power over the private lives and economic rights of individual Americans.
How would the penalties work? As a starting point, taxpaying Americans who do not satisfy the law’s insurance requirement would be penalized on their federal income-tax returns. Their tax burden would be increased by the lesser of (a) the amount the government decides they should pay for government-mandated health coverage or (b) 2.5 percent of their adjusted income above a filing threshold. An otherwise law-abiding American who fails to pay this “tax penalty” could be criminally prosecuted and sentenced to a year in prison if the feds deem his refusal to be a misdemeanor.
Worse, if the feds decide the refusal is felonious, the culprit may spend five years in federal prison and be fined up to $250,000. You could end up in a cell in Leavenworth even if you have paid all your family’s medical bills yourself.
By transforming a refusal or failure to comply with a government mandate into a federal tax violation, the “progressives” are using the brute force of criminal law to engage in social engineering. This represents an oppressive, absolutist view of government power.”
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By transforming a refusal or failure to comply with a government mandate into a federal tax violation, the “progressives” are using the brute force of criminal law to engage in social engineering. This represents an oppressive, absolutist view of government power.”
What criminal law? If this is all handed over to the IRS then it goes to Federal Administrative Law. Whole different kettle of fish. More specifically, if this is to be adjudicated in Tax Court then you the taxpayer must prove your innocence as to whether the law applies to you.
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I’m sticking with my read from months ago…. Something will pass prior to SOTU – has too, Obama has too much to lose.
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