Matthews: Look out Romney and Huckabee; She’s Coming

2009 November 17
by bc3b

Today’s the big day, The sounds you will be hearing all day will not be gunshots, but liberal (and RINO) heads exploding.

Here’s Chris Matthews on Sarah Palin. Surprisingly, he’s quite complimentary.

Palin is already taking advantage of her television interviews to attack Barack Obama and his policies:

Sarah Palin may be mum about her presidential ambitions, but the former GOP vice presidential candidate is opening up about her campaign experiences and has some harsh words for President Obama.

In an interview with ABC News’ Barbara Walters, Palin, whose book, “Going Rogue: An American Life,” lands on bookshelves Tuesday, said she would give the president a mere four for his job performance on a scale of one to 10.

“There are a lot of decisions being made that I — and probably the majority of Americans — are not impressed with right now,” said Palin, the former governor of Alaska. “I think our economy is not being put on the right track, because we’re strayed too far from, fundamentally, from free enterprise principles that built our country. And I question, too, some of the dithering, and, hesitation, with some of our national security questions that have got to be answered for our country.”

Even after last year’s devastating defeat, Palin remains one of the Republican Party’s brightest stars. From Alaska, she has been weighing in on issues and influencing policy debate in Washington. She scored a major blow to Obama in August when she wrote on her Facebook page that under Obama’s plans, the fate of the elderly and her son Trigg, who has Down syndrome, would be determined by “death panels.”

Are you ready Grand Rapids?

Don’t forget, Sarah is on Rush today at the start of the second hour (1:05 PM real – Eastern – time).

going-rogue-cover-2.jpg picture by bc3b\

Hat tip: You Tube and ABC News.

93 Responses leave one →
  1. 2009 November 17 2:53 am
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    Sharp2edgedsword permalink

    she came, she saw, she conquered

  2. 2009 November 17 4:56 am
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    MI Conservative permalink

    Matthews is going to say good things about who he thinks is the weakest Republican candidate.

    I love Palin— but her negatives with half the electorate are high just like Obamas.

    And bc – I couldn’t get a pre ID because of work. I understand that no one else is allowed. At least I have my copy of the book coming.

  3. 2009 November 17 4:57 am
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    MI Conservative permalink

    Meaning I won’t be able to go Wed night.

  4. 2009 November 17 5:08 am
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    Sharp2edgedsword permalink

    RWY, please read the hhr thread “Saving Jobs All Over Maryland” dated 11/16. thank you.

  5. 2009 November 17 5:17 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    If Sarah was booked on Matthews show I wonder what kind of tingle she would give him? Right cross to the jaw maybe??

  6. 2009 November 17 5:20 am
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    Sharp2edgedsword permalink

    LOL good one dr dog

  7. 2009 November 17 5:31 am
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    Here’s Chris Matthews on Sarah Palin. Surprisingly, he’s quite complimentary.~~bc3b

    Little crissy is a clever little turd,
    he’s merely throwing a bone to the brain dead herd,
    knows he well that it’s a kiss of death,
    for him to “like her” leaves us bereft,
    but we know he’s just giving us the bird.

    dittto post 2

  8. 2009 November 17 5:33 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    I love Palin— but her negatives with half the electorate are high just like Obamas. — MI

    Presumptively true. But go look at any politician since say 2008. They ALL have high negatives. Its a reflection of the The People being royally pissed at being ignored. Bottom line; I am coming around to the belief that unless some Pols negatives are in the 60%> it really doesn’t matter.

    “You may deceive all the people part of the time, and part of the people all the time, but not all the people all the time.” — Lincoln

  9. 2009 November 17 6:09 am
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    “she came, she saw, she conquered”

    Are you talking about ?

    LOL

  10. 2009 November 17 6:09 am
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    judyt2009 permalink

    “I love Palin— but her negatives with half the electorate are high just like Obamas.”

    I believe this requires further examination … with one simple question, WHY?

    Why are Obama’s negatives high?
    (1) He is following a Marxist/socialist ideology that is destroying the very fabric of the great American experiment created by the founding fathers.
    (2) He has traveled the globe apologizing for America, bowing to leaders of two other countries (Saudi King… in deference to Obama’s backer/leader, and Japanese Emperor, no doubt in apology for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.)
    (3) He does not believe in American exceptionalism. This exceptionalism that was fueled by the founding principles of this country and resulted in less than 200 short years a fledging former colony of the British Empire to grow into the leading global power, creator of countless scientific and industrial innovations making life better for everyone on the planet, and provider of the largest amount of foreign government aid and private charitable contributions.
    (4) He is a man of little accomplishment but the ability to read a good speech off a teleprompter.
    (5) As people learn more about the real Obama his negatives grow.
    (6) As each day goes by more and more Independent voters are discovering that the “hope and change” they thought they were supporting was a bait and switch figment of their imagination and they are angry at being scammed, fooled, conned or befuddled.

    Why are Palin’s negatives high?
    (1) Non-stop media onslaught since her selection as VP candidate to paint her in the most unflattering light possible.
    (2) She is a very attractive (beautiful and physically fit) conservative woman who believes in God, Country, Family – something the leftist have tried for years to convince the public does not exist.
    (3) She is not part of the East coast elite intelligentsia that sneers at anyone not part of their “group”.

    Palin may not have the highest IQ or quickest retort of those in the public political arena… but she isn’t the bubble brain the media has invested so much time and energy into convincing the sheeple she is.

    While on the other hand, Obama is not the high IQ, eloquent, smooth “savior” of the American “global” reputation that the media has invested so much time and energy into convincing the sheeple he is.

  11. 2009 November 17 6:10 am
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    Sharp2edgedsword permalink

    9-nope. guess again.

  12. 2009 November 17 6:12 am
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    11

    ?’s wife ?

  13. 2009 November 17 6:12 am
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    ?’s uterus ?????

  14. 2009 November 17 6:18 am
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  15. 2009 November 17 6:28 am
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    Sharp2edgedsword permalink

    hey ip can you do me a favor. i said at hhr that “this would be my last post on the subject TODAY” my word is important to me. could you drop over to hhr and tell jason that the definition i used was from the miriam webster online dictionary.

  16. 2009 November 17 6:46 am
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    sharp~~done~~post 103

  17. 2009 November 17 6:49 am
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    Sharp2edgedsword permalink

    thanks a lot dq. i will respond to jason, personally TOMORROW !

  18. 2009 November 17 6:56 am
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    MI Conservative permalink

    judy #10-I agree. Palin’s negatives are not deserved and she gets them because of bias by the media and the scumbags on the left that trashed her.

    The problem is —- that’s the way things went and are going to go.

  19. 2009 November 17 7:01 am
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    MI Conservative permalink

    I really like how Goldberg (last night) and Beck (this morning) explained why Palin is hated so much by the left.

    They hate normal, average citizens. They cannot stand normal people or woment making it when they have no Ivy League credentials. They hate self-made women who can be against abortion and lean conservative. They do not understand that religion is still important to averages Joes and Josephines. They cannot understand why middle class America questions Al Gore and global warming. They cannot understand how anyone would want to hunt deer or own a gun because it’s so mean to the animal. They believe all things righteous come from the ACLU and liberal think tanks.

  20. 2009 November 17 7:08 am
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    Sharp2edgedsword permalink

    EPH, I WAS REFERRING TO PALIN IN THE FUTURE TENSE OR IN THE PAST TENSE WITH REGARD TO HER BOOK AND HER 2 WORD PHRASE “DEATH PANELS”

  21. 2009 November 17 7:10 am
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    Sharp2edgedsword permalink

    20- can you say BIAS !

  22. 2009 November 17 7:14 am
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    thanks a lot dq. i will respond to jason, personally TOMORROW timv/sharp

    They don’t like me very much over there, screw em.

  23. 2009 November 17 7:17 am
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    judyt2009 permalink

    Conservatives have been too polite. I believe this is because we believe in the Constitution and specifically the First Amendment. So unlike the totalitarians on the left who do everything they can to stifle dissent and who have defined bi-partisanship as those on right of their positions caving into their all of demands, conservatives have worked to find common ground.

    Now I think it is time for Conservatives to constantly challenge those on the left. This includes their use of double standards. Conservatives need to challenge those statements from the left.

    If Palin is criticized as not ready for political office then Obama certainly was not ready… and as each day goes by we have countless points of proof this was so… (1) bowing to foreign dictators and emperors, (2) dithering on crucial decisions regarding prosecution of the war Obama said was the one that required focus, (3) not focusing on job creation and unemployment (4) 100s of un-vetted czars influencing/creating his policies… including avowed communists and communist sympathizers, and (5) adding to the national debt more than all other Presidents combined.

    It is true that Palin, under enormous financial pressure caused by the dozens of pointless, harassing and unfounded ethics investigations, did leave the governorship early (the only person to resign a governorship NOT under indictment), but Obama “left” his Senate seat without even finishing two years.

  24. 2009 November 17 7:20 am
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    bc3b permalink

    Remember, this is the first time Sarah Palin has truly been able to present herself to the American public – without the media filter or some idiot on the McCain team trying to shut her up for fear she would offend someone.

    A lot of people are going to discover that she is not some three-headed monster with radical views, but someone they agree with 90% of the time.

    The RINOs are as scared as the Dems because they know she likes to play by her own rules.

  25. 2009 November 17 7:25 am
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    bc3b permalink

    Think of everything Sarah Palin has been through in the last 18 months: giving birth to a Down Syndrome child, discovering Bristol was pregnant, being attacked constantly by the liberal media, traveling across the country campaigning while breast feeding a child, dealing with idiots like Steve Schmidt and Nicolle Wallace, battling frivilous ethics violations, being back-stabbed by so-called conservatives, going into debt defending herself.

    This would have destroyed most people, yet she appears to be stronger than ever.

  26. 2009 November 17 7:36 am
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    conservativetony permalink

    This far out, Sarah’s negatives aren’t really that big an issue. Besides, she has undoubtedly reached her floor, so moving up is highly likely.

    The question remains: Is she ready to be POTUS? I will argue a year ago she was at least as ready as Obama was at that time and probably even more so today.

  27. 2009 November 17 7:40 am
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    The bar for POTUS has been set so low (thank you ogabe) that a one eyed transvestite pedophilic midget with a 40 IQ, would be considered main stream.

  28. 2009 November 17 7:41 am
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    brucefdb permalink

    Palin will be the number one R by this time next year….and her approval/disapproval will change dramatically. Once people see who she really is they will come around. The self-annointed intellectual class and the left will always hate her because she demonstrates the country does not need them.

  29. 2009 November 17 7:44 am
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    conservativetony permalink

    Palin vs Obama

    Surprise vote is today. Who wins?

  30. 2009 November 17 7:45 am
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    mulletover permalink

    The Left is so bothered by Palin because they always thought the first woman to be taken seriously by the American people would be a hard core liberal feminist with a hair bun and accomplishments in education and bra burning.

    Instead, they got a beautiful, athletic, Christian mother of five whose accomplishments went from college basketball star to mayor of Wasilla to governor of Alaska to Vice President nominee for the other major party. Now the whole country cannot get enough of her.

    In their view, it is just not the way it is supposed to be, and it is driving them craaaaaaazy.

  31. 2009 November 17 7:48 am
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    Thune/pence for potus 2012

  32. 2009 November 17 7:54 am
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    brucefdb permalink

    I like the Pence part….Palin/Pence sounds good to me. ;)

  33. 2009 November 17 7:55 am
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    brucefdb permalink

    Tony….today Ogabe would win….too many people just know what the media tells them about Palin at this point. A year from now that changes big time.

  34. 2009 November 17 7:55 am
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    conservativetony permalink

    Pence Demint Palin
    Any order

  35. 2009 November 17 7:58 am
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    bc3b permalink

    If things keep falling appart for Zero, don’t rule out Hillary.

    Sarah – Hillary: the cat fight of the century

  36. 2009 November 17 7:59 am
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    I like the Pence part….Palin/Pence sounds good to me~~bruce

    Not good, the enemy would call us the pee pee party.

  37. 2009 November 17 8:00 am
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    bc3b permalink

    Seriously, who in history has ever taken on both parties and the media? Reagan was known through his movies and TV appearances.

    Mitt and Huck have to be going nuts.

  38. 2009 November 17 8:02 am
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    STOP THE PALIN BASHING SHARP!

  39. 2009 November 17 8:03 am
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    justrand permalink

    judyt2009, splendid analysis in #10

    Eph Rove, great catch on the WaPo poll. They CONTINUE to try and MAKE OPINIONS versus guaging them. Sadly, this must be working for them or they wouldn’t keep doing it!

  40. 2009 November 17 8:04 am
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    conservativetony permalink

    Hillary is a no-go. Once she starts campaigning against Obama the question on everybody’s mind: If you disagreed with what Obama has done this past 4 years, why did you remain his Sec State for so long?

    I can’t imagine any position (Hillary as Sec State) being as damaging to any politician. The only one I can think of is if McCain had won and Palin was VP–that possibly could have ruined her political career.

  41. 2009 November 17 8:08 am
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    justrand permalink

    The image America has of Palin is a CRAFTED one…and one that was crafted to create a negative impression.

    The image America HAD of Obama is a CRAFTED one…and one that was crafted to create a POSITIVE impression.

    America has been waking up to Obama, albeit slowly. The energy and effort required to maintain his numbers is evidenced by the machinations that WaPo has to do to keep his artificially high.

    America will NOW start waking to Palin…and realizing that 99.9% of that they THOUGHT they “knew” is bullshit!

    Prediction: barring a major mistake by her, or a major success by him, by mid-2010 their respective ratings will be close…if not in Palin’s favor!

  42. 2009 November 17 8:10 am
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    justrand permalink

    conservativetony, if she quits BEFORE the 2010 elections then she can claim to have “given it her best shot”…and then start co-opting various politicians by helping them get re-elected. But if she stumps for politicians in 2010 on BEHALF of Obama, then she has no way credible way to suddenly have a revelation.

    just my $.02

  43. 2009 November 17 8:21 am
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    bc3b permalink

    I agree with Justrand. I would love to see Hillary get in the race for two reasons: 1) it will keep Dims out of GOP primaries and 2) it will tear the Dim party apart.

    Expiration dates are coming up for Hillary and Newt. For them, it’s 2012 or never.

  44. 2009 November 17 8:22 am
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    conservativetony permalink

    just my $.02

    A good assessment and probably right on the money.

    I also forgot about her campaign debt. I wouldn’t put it pass those two to have a deal: “Become my Sec State and I pay half; remain for a certain amount of time, I pay the other half. “

  45. 2009 November 17 8:23 am
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    20 – lol
    32 – I like the top of the ticket, first he needs to get a solid re-election, draw back though senators -> president doesn’t have a great history, but it’s far better the congressmen -> president.

  46. 2009 November 17 8:25 am
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    KH,

    Did you find any Carrie P. vids yet?

  47. 2009 November 17 8:26 am
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    “Sadly, this must be working for them or they wouldn’t keep doing it!”

    How so? These pollsters no longer going unchecked anymore.

    People are catching on that 99% of the polls out there are bogus.

  48. 2009 November 17 8:26 am
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    brucefdb permalink

    Not good, the enemy would call us the pee pee party. IP727

    Ha, ha. But the libs would be the ones getting peed on!

  49. 2009 November 17 8:31 am
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    47 – No, why would I be looking before they even leak out? I’ll let you know if and when they leak though.

  50. 2009 November 17 8:33 am
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    Fox Alert: Millions of Americans may have to give back Obama’s $400-800 tax cuts, due to IRS “glitch” fox reports.

  51. 2009 November 17 8:44 am
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    conservativetony permalink

    Fox isn’t a real news org so whatever they report expect the opposite: Obama owes then an additional $400-800–from his stash.

  52. 2009 November 17 8:45 am
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    “A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have.

    Gerald Ford in a Presidential address to a joint session of Congress (12 August 1974)

  53. 2009 November 17 8:48 am
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    judyt2009 permalink

    Palin needs to do one thing to favorably and totally dominate the national conversation and she is at the right place, (sadly) at the right time, and with the right credentials to do this one thing.

    Real unemployment in this country is over 17%. We need to put Americans back to work. Iran is ready with their nukes. Obama’s diplomacy negotiations have failed and Israel will have no choice but to take Iran out. Iran will shut down the Strait of Hormuz and gasoline will rocket past $4 a gallon to $7 or $8 a gallon. The internet, conservative talk radio and the “fair & balanced” news outlets will play over and over the summer of 2008 Obama saying he did not object to $4 a gallon gasoline or even higher… he just wanted to control the pace of the rise in prices. Obama on gasoline prices

    Palin has always been a proponent of developing American resources. Palin will dust of her development of US resources proposals, and Drill Here, Drill Now will be the chant. Obama will be standing, or should I say bowing, with the Saudi King… hat in hand… pleading for assistance.

    American produced steel for a new pipeline, American produced oil production tools, American workers building a new pipeline. America will finally gear up to accomplish American energy independence from foreign sources. American Pride returning while the apologizer in chief continues to dither and bow.

    (forgive me if I blow the link.. my html is rusty)

  54. 2009 November 17 8:48 am
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    janzam permalink

    I watched Palin on Oprah yesterday and enjoyed the interview. Oprah, though, seemed much more subdued with this particular guest than she does with old cronies like celebrities and/or Obama. Words were deliberately chosen and, if you noticed most of the questions centered around the “personal,” and/or political gossip. There was really nothing too substantial, as in asking Palin political or policy questions. “Hey, what is your take on our economic policy at the moment?”

    There are now excerpts coming out from Barbara Walter’s interview. Hopefully Walter’s will find a new tact of questioning, as will Rush Limbaugh today on his radio program.

    Palin’s biggest gift, so far, is her genuineness and “authenticity.” What she needs to add to the mix is policy specifics, her world view, what is going on in her gray matter and how would she effect either “change” or stabilization should she ever be in charge.

    Palin needs to get beyond being a media pawn, and move into sharing a larger scope of ideas, addressing current problems with a compass showing us where she would go to rectify them. In doing this she would demonstrate that her skills can go beyond her family and Alaska, adding knowledge and expertise to the national/world stage. If this happens she will quiet some of those negatives that others have spoken of in earlier comments.

  55. 2009 November 17 8:49 am
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    judyt2009 permalink

  56. 2009 November 17 8:51 am
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    TLS permalink

    Pence Demint Palin
    Any order

    CT – I’m with you on this one, but I would bet that Palin would never be willing to take the VP seat against after her nightmare with the McCain campaign.

  57. 2009 November 17 8:54 am
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    “I would bet that Palin would never be willing to take the VP seat against after her nightmare with the McCain campaign.”

    Correct, only way I could even see her even considering it would be if she ran and ended up a close second in the primary, in short naggonnahappen. ;)

  58. 2009 November 17 8:56 am
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    janzam permalink

    Judy

    Your comments in post 54 are exactly the kind of expanded dialogue that would adher people more to Palin.

    People are “thirsty” for real solutions that are rational and not driven by a PC mentality, like the ones exploding from the Obama administration.

    Addressing natural resources is something that would be a no-brainer for Palin to expound on!

  59. 2009 November 17 9:04 am
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    “Hey, what is your take on our economic policy at the moment?”

    Gee, I wonder why? Must be a black thing.

  60. 2009 November 17 9:08 am
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    conservativetony permalink

    TLS

    Palin being named as McCain’s VP had to happen. Without being suddely thrust into the headlines, she would have languished in AK forever.

    McCain, by selecting her out of a selfish desire to fix his faltering campaign, then standing idly by while his partners on the left tried to destroy her have misunderestimated :grin: her fighting spirit. I have no doubt he knew he was going to lose, so he chose a Conservative to take down with him. Well, since Sarah is now much more powerful than he is, I guess the plan backfired.

  61. 2009 November 17 9:20 am
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    judyt2009 permalink

    #20 — prima facia evidence that polling by (some) news organizations is not intended to guage public opinion but to influence it. Remember that all too often that independent/moderate voter is a person with no opinions or principles, but instead is so lacking in self-esteem (and education) that their sole motivation is to be on the side that wins. This way they can pat themselves on the back regarding their ability to pick winners and will feel all warm and fuzzy inside that they are with the “in” crowd. I am not sure what percentage of the population falls into this category — thankfully it appears that a portion is waking up to reality that the “winning” crowd can be wrong and pick a loser.

  62. 2009 November 17 9:24 am
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    62. Judy,

    For once I would love to see a poll with an even 33% R/D/I split.

    I’ll bet Hussein is around 40-44% in that poll.

  63. 2009 November 17 9:25 am
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    “This way they can pat themselves on the back regarding their ability to pick winners and will feel all warm and fuzzy inside that they are with the “in” crowd.”

    Sadly, even RAS is starting to fall for that now.

  64. 2009 November 17 10:03 am
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    INC permalink

    Sharp, I’ve looked over the thread at HHR and I have several thoughts.

    First on the Human Life Amendment:

    Considering the fact that the HLA is a proposed amendment to the Constitution, it is, in my opinion, not opposed to the concept of limited federal government. It is not a proposition that Congress make a law that will be imposed on all states, instead, it is proposing an amendment that would be sent to the states for ratification.

    While an amendment to the Constitution must begin in the House, it does not become valid unless ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof.

  65. 2009 November 17 10:10 am
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    INC permalink

    The term theocon is definitely used as a pejorative.

    It’s amusing in that Wiki definition it states:

    This article relies largely or entirely upon a single source. Please help improve this article by introducing appropriate citations of additional sources. (October 2009)

    The single source was Marci McDonald writing for a Canadian magazine in 2006 on the Canadian “religious right”.

    Wiki went on to say:

    The term is frequently used by political commentator Andrew Sullivan in reference to Republicans when commenting on social issues such as same-sex marriage and abortion.

  66. 2009 November 17 10:12 am
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    judyt2009 permalink

    Face it! People are stupid. They are busy, self-absorbed, and easily distracted. If they weren’t magicians would never be successful. There is nothing new on earth or under the sun.

    Okay… some are stupid and the rest do stupid things. We just finished the VA elections and mother asked the question why McDonnell received more votes than down the ticket. I explained that first there are those who only vote for the top of the ticket and skip the rest of the ballot. I also explained that there is a segment of the population (thankfully very small) that thinks they are being fair by voting for a R in one race and a D in the other. They have enormous pride in how fair minded and wise they are — like King Solomon saying he will split the baby in two.

  67. 2009 November 17 10:15 am
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    65. Sounds like ? must be going nuts again.

  68. 2009 November 17 10:19 am
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    INC permalink

    As far as imposing morality, well, all laws set up a system of morality. Whatever legal notions you’re in favor of are driven and informed by your system of morality–even if it’s amoral or anarchy–because then you’re saying this is really the right way to go.

    Richard Maybury, in his book Whatever Happened to Penny Candy? describes our legal system in these two phrases:

    * Do all you have agreed to do
    * Do not encroach on other persons or their property.

    His first statement is his description of contract law, and the second is his description of criminal law.

    The concepts that someone should do what they’ve agreed to do and not encroach on others, implies a moral value system. The details of how those basic concepts are defined, regulated and enforced further details a moral value system.

    (I definitely do not agree with everything Maybury says, but I find his reduction helpful).

  69. 2009 November 17 10:38 am
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    INC permalink

    The term theocrat implies someone who is in favor of a theocracy. That is certainly not the case of Christians I have known.

    It was not the case of the Founders, a majority of whom were Christians. Their Judeo-Christian view certainly informed their concepts of the nature of man and their debate and thinking in defining our system of government.

    On the subject of the Founders’ religious beliefs, I want to again quote the chapter, “Religion and the Framers: The Biographical Evidence”, from M.E. Bradford’s book Original Intentions: On the Making and Ratification of the United States Constitution.

    First, however, here are Bradford’s credentials as stated by Russell Kirk (that’s the Russell Kirk) in his foreword to another book of Bradford: Founding Fathers: Brief Lives of the Framers of the United States Constitution:

    Bradford’s national reputation is founded upon his painstaking and accurate scholarship—and upon his rhetorical skill as well…In general, American historians have been daunted by the tremendous task of fighting their way through antique printed collections of politicians’ letters and through thousands of holograph letters, uncollected, in dusty archives and private hands, but Mel Bradford was possessed of fortitude and a desire to write real history. He knew that there is no better way to ascertain the much-debated “original intent” of the Framers than to pass beyond the somewhat meager journals of the Convention, and beyond The Federalist Papers, to the labyrinthine treasury of letters the Framers wrote home or to one another.

    …More fully than most commentators upon those Framers, Bradford has carefully examined their several religious persuasions or affiliations, discovering few Deists or unchurched.

    Kirk also writes that he and Bradford were frequent correspondents and met at least once a year. From the foreword it is quite evident that he had the highest esteem for Bradford.

  70. 2009 November 17 10:42 am
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    INC permalink

    Bradford writes in Original Intentions (my emphasis in bold):

    Part of the confusion that so often leads us to a misunderstanding of the original Constitution and Bill of Rights is the special status to which a selected group of early American leaders have been elevated as the quintessence of what the Founders had in mind in accomplishing our national independence and then channeling the impetus generated with the Revolution into the creation of a new form of government, one that is “part national” and part federal.” These few are forced to serve as heralds of a “golden moment” of “perfect toleration” and public enlightenment, the embodiments of reason, and are put forward as windows on the American soul, on the collective spirit from which, as a people and polity, we most legitimately derive. The difficulty with this tendentious interpretive strategy is that the student of early American history who goes to the trouble to learn about the private lives of a reasonable number of important public figures in the original thirteen states can discredit it with ease. The selective, disingenuous past visible when filtered through such a list is one well-calculated to foster a partisan misuse of the Constitution in rearranging the present. With the moderns and impenitent futurists who invoke this authority with reference to religion, the names thus collected are a constant: Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, and Benjamin Franklin along with such lesser figures as Benjamin Rush and James Wilson. To this set it is conventional to add that part of Madison which seems to have a natural place in such company. Apart from Madison, none of these heroes is a recognizable Christian. And even about Madison there are certain doubts. The point is that by emphasizing as “representative men” the members of this elite group of deists and secularists, modern interpreters of the First Amendment are thereby released to ignore the distance between the very English/Whig/prescriptive world of the Framers and the favorite political nostrums and simplifications of the contemporary intellectual community. To describe the Framers out a larger body of evidence taken from the entire generation to which they belong—of the 150 to 200 principal Founders of the Republic—is to acquire another view of their composite character, especially with reference to the original American tradition concerning liberty, the state, and religion.

    As I have come to know through my own work, the concept of the Framers as ordinary Christians, as members in good standing of the various Christian communions found in early America, is supported by the recorded patterns of their lives. What I propose in the way of a collective portrait draws upon evidence from the usually ignored 95 percent of that group—ignored because they are not precursors of the present dispensation in law, ethics, and public policy. The assumption that this majority was likely to agree to totally secular institutional arrangements in the very structure of American politics contradicts almost everything we know about human nature, as well as the most self-evident components of Christian teaching concerning the relation of the magistrate to the ultimate source of his authority in God. They could not be both practicing Christians of their time and the source of the High Court’s present understanding of the establishment clause.

  71. 2009 November 17 10:48 am
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    bc3b permalink

    Eph -

    More and more polls are being used to create opinion rather than reflect opinion. For example, over-sampling Democrats, post graduate degrees, areas of the country, etc.

    I like Ras because it samples likely voters. I have absolutely no confidence in polls taken on behalf of CNN, CBS, Newsweek, the NY Times, Washington Post, etc. as I believe they are agenda-driven.

  72. 2009 November 17 10:50 am
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    bc3b permalink

    Speaking of Rasmussen, today Obama is -12 (49/51 overall).

  73. 2009 November 17 10:50 am
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    judyt2009 permalink

    Anyone listening to the Rush interview of Palin?

  74. 2009 November 17 10:51 am
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    “I like Ras because it samples likely voters. ”

    RAS needs to correct his poor weekend sampling methods though. Wild swings on Satarday and Sunday. Look at last week!

    Plus RAS uses D+5, which is still BS.

  75. 2009 November 17 10:51 am
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    74. YES! Only 30 minutes though

  76. 2009 November 17 10:52 am
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    ? must be on anti-depressents this week b/c of Palin.

  77. 2009 November 17 11:06 am
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    judyt2009 permalink

    I will have to listen to it tonight.

  78. 2009 November 17 11:26 am
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    bc3b permalink

    “? must be on anti-depressents this week b/c of Palin.”

    Eph – ? and Obama both.

  79. 2009 November 17 11:37 am
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    judyt2009 permalink

    I went over to HHR today for the first time in months…lol…

    She’s a one trick pony, nothing is new
    A one track mind, just the same old spew
    And don’t forget she’s got tunnel vision
    For all who disagree she’s got derision
    Oh she’s hard headed with nothing new to say
    Just the same old garbage every day
    Don’t waste your time she will never see
    A one trick pony is all she will ever be

    She’s her one and only
    She’s a big ole phony
    Yep, she’s a one trick pony

    If I hear just one more time
    We must all fall to her line
    I think I just might scream
    She pretends to be something she’s not
    She takes all reason and makes a knot
    Her logic is flawed and absurd
    She twists and turns with each word

    But she is a one trick pony, nothing is new
    A one track mind, just the same old spew
    She’s her one and only
    She’s a big ole phony
    Better listen boys, she’s a one trick pony

    … and then of course…

    so sad, so sad, it’s a sad, sad situation and ?’s getting more and more absurd…

  80. 2009 November 17 11:45 am
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    80. Just be lucky that you only see ? at the HHR and no where else.

    …well except for KOS and NewMinority

  81. 2009 November 17 11:54 am
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    …and as long as Wuss and Squish feed her/his ego, that wont change.

  82. 2009 November 17 11:56 am
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    beej permalink

    hhr?

  83. 2009 November 17 11:57 am
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    INC permalink

    Hedgehog Report

  84. 2009 November 17 11:59 am
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    beej permalink

    oh! lol! my guess was Hugh Hewitt. Couldn’t think of what the ‘R’ was.

  85. 2009 November 17 12:52 pm
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    mulletover permalink

    Good one, Judy.

    And may that be the last mention ever of the one trick pony here at BJG.

  86. 2009 November 17 12:52 pm
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    judyt2009 permalink

    beej — For some strange reason, I went over there today and stumbled across ? explaining the female mind… good thing I have learned not to drink while I am reading…I would have choked on my coffee or needed a new keyboard… I followed one thread and true to form she was contradicting herself from one post to the other… same nonsense… same tactics. I can only take so much of ? I think about 30 seconds is my limit these days.

  87. 2009 November 17 12:57 pm
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    87. you sure it wasn’t the athiest women’s mind?

  88. 2009 November 17 1:56 pm
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    Sharp2edgedsword permalink

    inc, great stuff. thanks coach. i feel rested, inspired and ready to get back into the ring. :)

  89. 2009 November 17 2:00 pm
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    beej permalink

    Being that ? is banned here, I am going to refrain from comment.

  90. 2009 November 17 3:01 pm
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    mulletover permalink

    beej,

    my eternal gratitude.

  91. 2009 November 17 3:29 pm
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    judyt2009 permalink

    My deepest apologies mullet… it has been months but I am surprised to see nothing has changed, I resisted comment as long as I could. Thankfully, I have so little time for blogging anyway that I can avoid the insanity created at HHR.

  92. 2009 November 17 4:08 pm
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    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Tim V, thanks, I’ll have another go at Polaris later this week, after some research… He’s not the worst person on earth, but I think he’s very wrong on a few points that he made in the dispute, plus the connection to religious overtones….

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