Whitewashed Tombs:
Abortion and the Health Care Bill
As a result of the Democrats meeting last night, it’s obvious Pelosi decided the best political advantage for her was to allow a vote on Stupak’s amendment prohibiting federal funds for abortions. Of course, as you know, this is a meaningless amendment because even if it passes the Democrats would never allow it to survive later if the bill ever makes it to conference. Michelle Malkin writes:
Update 4:45pm Eastern. Boehner exposes phoniness of Stupak amendment. Asks Rangel if it passes, will Ds guarantee that it stays in the final bill.
Rangel snottily says that such a guarantee might be an ethics violation.
Yes, Rangel balking at possible “ethics” violation.
Chutzpah.
Key issue now: Will pro-life Dems go along with the Kabuki Stupak amdnt vote knowing that the federal abortion ban will not survive negotiations?
This is the second time today that a Democrat has admitted this. A commenter at RedState wrote earlier this afternoon that Henry Waxman said there’s no guarantee the amendment will survive after passage of the bill.
If those “pro-life” Democrats didn’t realize that before, they have no excuse for saying they don’t know it now. The cynical use of a pro-life vote to give cover on a yes vote for the bill is a maneuver that won’t work. If their conscience doesn’t bother them, their constituents will!
You can follow updates at NRO’s Doctor! Doctor! About 4:30 pm, Cantor has sent Kathryn Lopez a list of 31 Democrats who have said they will vote against the bill.
UPDATE: Karl in The Green Room in Is the House GOP enabling PelosiCare? has more on the contemptible use of this amendment by “pro-life” Democrats.
Michelle Malkin has begun a second thread to continue live blogging.
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H/T: Michelle Malkin, RedState, Doctor! Doctor!.
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31 is not enough. We need 40 and no GOP wusses to turn around and stab us in the back. I’m beginning to think we are screwed. MFG forgive me for being weak…
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I think the GOP will hold. The question is if enough Democrats will defect.
Politico is now saying the Dems think they have 218 votes. More bluff or reality?
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Politico is a tool for the democrats. I don’t trust anything on that site.
Before Obama, I always thought they were a good source for news.
Then they drank the koolaid.
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Weren’t certain dems being blackmailed or bullied by moron.org over their vote on this?
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JM, I read they had raised a fund of 3.6 million to defeat anyone who votes against the HC bill.
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I think the GOP will hold. The question is if enough Democrats will defect.
Politico is now saying the Dems think they have 218 votes. More bluff or reality?
INC
They always had the votes, this little charade was to allow the so called blue hogs to play to their more conservative base back home. Piglosi will allow some of them to vote no to save their hides nov 10, but hold back enough to just pass it. An old trick, that fools no one.
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“Politico is a tool for the democrats. I don’t trust anything on that site.”
I’ve never visited that site b/c of just that reeason
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JM, I heard the GOP raised a fund of 336.6 million to defeat anyone who votes for the HC bill.
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JM:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2009/11/moveon-to-fund-primary-challengers-to-any-senator-who-blocks-up-or-down-vote.html
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/06/liberal-activist-groups-threatens-democrats-opposed-government-run-option/
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/66609-liberal-groups-threatens-centrists-with-primaries
Feed me, Seymour . . . . FEED ME!!!
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I also heard the moon was made of cheese
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MP
Never thought we’d stop it in the House
We stop it in the Senate
They have no road to 60 in the Senate
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Cao will vote no
Republicans will apparently vote 177-0 against this monstrosity
If we only had 10 more Republicans in the House!!
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Rangel used the phrase “ethics violation“??
He’s a WALKING “ethics violation
The only reason he hasn’t been pitched from the House…or at least stripped of Chairmanships is that he is BLACK. Period.
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My prediction-It passes by 3 votes. they’ll get 221.
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jr:
didn’t you realize that “pitch” is a racist term? (sarcasm intended)
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Deckard, the moderates and blue dogs are damned if they do and damned if they don’t. They have been sold out by Pelosi, Hoyer and Obama.
Whatever happened to voting for your constituents?
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They’ll never get it out of the Senate
All Nancy has done is organized a political Pickett’s Charge
The actual Pickett’s Charge resulted in 60% casualties, I wonder what the casualties for this will be…???
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hattip HotAir:
From the start of his campaign on August 10 until an election eve debate on October 30, Owens adamantly opposed the type of public option that is contained in HR 3962, the Pelosi bill the House is voting on later today.
In his statement today lauding Owens, President Obama unwittingly confirmed what had been reported here earlier today–that the voters of the 23rd Congressional District had been misled throughout the campaign by Bill Owens that he opposed the Pelosi public option Health Care bill, and that, had Mr. Owens’ been honest with the voters throughout the entire campaign he would not have won the special election.
What are the odds of a Democrat LYING to the voters, pretending to be MODERATE????
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MIC:
Constituents?!? Surely you jest. Pelosi, Hoyer and Obama will have an endless “wing” feast this evening – and they’ll have Pelosi to thank for all the twisting and wrenching to get them to the table.
So much for integrity. Hope they appreciate the year in office they have left. The constituents won’t be so eager to place them back in the ivory towers they currently occupy – that is if this past week’s results are any indication.
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If you are correct, MFG, that means that Pelosi has engineered this to save herself and her standing on the radical left, leaving the other member of the gruesome twosome, Scary Reid, to be left flailing away and holding the bag of @#%@# when it all goes down in flames.
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Does she have the votes?
I’m still not sure
This may simply be the lunatics forcing her hand…
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After this week’s elections, economic news, and polling data, you’d have to have serious balls as a freshman Dem in a red state to vote for this. Or been brainwashed by Pelosi into believing the fantasy that you’ll be able to fool the ignorant masses again.
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Very true, my impaled friend
These people are monomaniacal
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Pickett’s Charge? I hope so.
I’m working on dinner and watching TV.
Pelosi just said being a woman will no longer be a preexisting medical condition.
Translation: Federal funding for abortion.
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She also said this won’t add a dime to the deficit.
I wish every extra dime would be taken out of her personal wealth!
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Federal funding for child murder will, I think, cause civil disobedience if this monstrosity were to pass
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In case you’re unfamiliar with the phrase “whitewashed tombs” it’s an indictment Christ used for those Pharisees who put on a show of righteousness while there was none within.
Any “pro-life” Dem who votes for the health care bill reveals his real position on abortion. If it becomes law it will be a huge money pot for abortionists.
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Blue hogs==vote for it and get hammered out of office by the constituents,vote
against it, get hammered in the primary by piglosi and friends.
Not going to be a good year for blue hogs.
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Conservative Democrat?
****!
That’s like a triangular circle
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Blue dogs and conservative Dems are going to be the last to vote to see if their vote is needed. Expect a lot of vote switching as they proceed at the end to try to cover their butts.
It is important the vote is close. The more Dems that vote NO is a real talking point to the senators waiting.
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But if the vote is 218-217 with NO Republicans…???
What does that look like to the country???
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Around here Dem voters will say I’m a conservative Democrat since they don’t want to admit their a liberal. I still don’t know what that means because they vote for any Dem on the ballott.
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If federal funding for the murder of the unborn doesn’t cause civil disobedience,
federal funding for healthcare for illegal immigrants will. You cannot tell me that with the Hispanic groups pressuring Congress some sort of loophole WON’T be in that massive 20-pound pile . . . if not one loophole, there will be many.
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It will be considered a bi-partisan bill even if no Rep vote for it. I heard the White House say that because they had a chance at input on it.
The meaning of bipartisan depends on what your definition of IS is.
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Is anybody live streaming this? C-span seems to be down. Can somebody confirm?
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current meaning of bipartisan: both sides voted on it.
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From NRO:
Two More [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
From Cantor:
Rep. Lincoln Davis (TN)
Rep. Mike Ross (AR)
That’s 33.
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if not one loophole, there will be many.
Deckard
The illegal alien coverage loophole will be closed by the courts,ordering them to be covered. They have already done this in the past.
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Tony, I was watching on FOX News a while ago.
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From MM, see if this works:
http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN_wm.aspx
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I’m getting an admin error page from c-span. I’m going to reboot and try again
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INC my dear, this is smoke and mirrors. Those so called blue dogs secretly support this thing, but are playing to the folks back home. Those no votes are a cover, as piglosi will release them to vote no, but reserve enough to pass it.
Once again, the brain dead knuckledraggers back home haven’t a clue.
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I’m watching on CSpan-Boring-Typical BS!!
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ip- your post on #43 is spot on.
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I’m getting an admin error page from c-span. I’m going to reboot and try again~~~CT
Watching this crap makes you a masochist.
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I’m not 100% sure they have the votes
What if someone rats them out and it fails 217-218?
I think I’d laugh for a week
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I’d join laughing MFG. It’s going to pass by 3 votes.
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But what does that look like?
221-214…??
Without a R vote…?!
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I guess about 220 to 215
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The republican speakers are doing a very good job with their talking points
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So – when is this beast supposed to hit, if approved . . . 2010 or 2013? I haven’t heard . . . .
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There may even be an R turncoat in the mix.
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How many Democrats represent NY City?
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I agree with all here who believe the fix is in…the actual number of votes has been pre-ordained.
Piglosi will indeed hold all the “Blue Dogs” back, just in case someone switches. Which Blue Dogs get to vote “No!” (and thus potentially save their job!). EASY The Blue Dogs that sniffed Nancy’s BUTT the best!
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I can’t watch C Span
Liberalism is a form of paranoid schizophrenia I think
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I still don’t think it will get by the Senate. When it does the reconciliation process is going to be hell.
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How many graveyards in N.Y. city?
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You mean if it does .
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MIC
These Senators can read the VA election results
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paranoid schizophrenia
Is there any other kind.??
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ip: how deep is the East River?
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The Repubs have done an excellent job ALL DAY LONG.
EVERY Democrat has made a completley EMOTIONAL appeal based on a story they either made up or has ZERO relevance.
“Sally Schwartze lost her leg in tragic Cuisinart accident. She was rushed to the Emergency Room, but DENIED TREATMENT because it was deemed a Pre-Existing Condition! That’s right, because Sally lost her leg outside the Emergency Room she wwas denied treatment!“
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It’s too bad that a Senate seat in VA isn’t up in 2010.
Specter is up and he will go down in PA in 2010.
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177-0 = bipartisan !!!
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I had to go to another pc. I think my main computer was trying to save me some grief .
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As long as NO Republicans vote for this shit plate I will be OK. That’s the true test on this House vote.
and it gives me some hope that the level of RINOLOGY has decreased even a little bit.
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I love Michelle Bachman.
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Michelle Bachmann just spoke. She’s not too bad looking.
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I can’t believe laws are made like this
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Law from lies.
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Liberalism is an extraordinarily deep psychosis
I used to think it was a religion, but it’s a psychosis
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Nancy Piglosi’s speech is apparently coming up! Since it is too early to drink (heavily) I will be unable to watch.
Nancy will tell how she was denied care because of a Pre-Existing condition: She’s UGLY! When she demanded a second opinion the Doctor said: “OK, you’re stupid!”
Tragic.
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Medical bankruptcies?
More like Liberal banruptcies.
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*bankruptcies
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Dan Burton just let the cat out of the bag: “We can’t afford this stuff RIGHT NOW”
Get ready of Pelosi light if this doesn’t pass tonight.
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MFG:
Perhaps Congress realizes that the population has neither the time nor the attention span to follow everything they’re proposing or passing and in the manner they do it. That’s why they do . . . the doodoo – I mean voodoo . . . that they do . . . so well.
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justrand – you are right.
Dems nothing but a list of sob stories from Dems.
Poor Little Tiny Tim-God Bless Us All!
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Boehner just SKEWERED another Dem Committe Chair. He’s 3 for 3 today in getting to admit that they will NOT even vote for the anti-Abortion amendment when the Bill goes to Conference!
There is no Dem that can claim “cover” on this! And the Catholic Bishops should loudly withdraw their “conditional” support!
Kibuki Theater…yup!
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I bet if I emailed my “Cuisinart tragedy” story to a Dem they’d trot it out on TV tonight. Boy, I’m tempted!
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How many Black women representatives are there?
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Another poor child collapsed and needed help but couldn’t get it.
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Another Black women Democrats.
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I wrote a post earlier explaining what the Democrats are all about. After passage, they will achieve true happiness. Everything will be alright with the world–until Monday, when they start discussing Cap and Trade.
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There has to be some congressmen/women openly laughing at what the dimwits are saying.
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111 NEW bureaucracies created in this bill?? So says the gentleman from Kansas.
For some reason these yahoos think the bill will improve access to care. Um – ok. Where are all the hundreds (if not thousands) of additional doctors, nurses, healthcare workers and healthcare facilities supposed to come from to accommodate the uninsured and under-insured? Hmmmm? And to pay for their salaries, and the cost of the buildings, the upkeep, the upkeep of the machines . . . .
Have they been broadcasting “Aladdin” on repeat in the halls of Congress?
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Another sob story!
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F– off. Babies dying because of no health care. Oh, its Latin America.
Lying POS.
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ip-I think I’m going to have to have your sense of humor tonight.
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LOL
IP, exactly how long have you been working on that?
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Another Another Another sob story!
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They don’t seem as effective without the violin music . . . where’s the violin music?!?
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Why don’t all Republicans vote for the Stupak Amendment and then it would not pass and the Pro-life Dems would vote no on the final amendment.
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I meant vote against the amendment.
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Our side would be wise to drag out the horror stories of socialism medicine in other countries.
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OK – this shrill harpy from Colorado just tried to compare not funding abortions in the Stupak Amendment to not allowing someone access to CANCER TREATMENTS???? Did I just hear her correctly?
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DeLaura is a real nut case. She belongs physically and mentally with Pelosi.
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ip, excellent idea.
MI Con, evidently there has been some internal strife. Again from NRO:
“Just spoke with two GOP House members about what the mood is in the GOP caucus about the Stupak amendment. Both acknowledged a small internal divide — there is worry among some that a ‘yes’ on Stupak is a ‘yes’ for moving PelosiCare forward. However, they said that most GOP members will support the Stupak amendment in order to give it a strong backing from a bipartisan pro-life bloc as it heads to conference, should it pass.?
6:39 PM
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the Pro-life Dems would vote no on the final amendment MI
No, they would support the final vote, and have ammo to blame the abortion vote on the repubs.
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Its not philosphy you worthless twit–its an unborn child
Shut the fk up.
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“DeLaura is a real nut case”
Must be from Boulder
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MI Conservative permalink
DeLaura is a real nut case. She belongs physically and mentally with Pelosi.
She reminds me of that crazy old broad on the old sat night live program, always whacking someone with her purse.
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The workings of Congress.
Now it’s the poor women that are going to suffer.
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Ruth Buzzi.
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what is this . . . some string of ultra-liberal Democrat feminists who are allowed to drone on ad nauseam? Boy have some women in Congress lost touch with their consciences – absolutely appalling.
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Dad- you HAVE to email the Cuisinart story! Remember the fun we had telling Michael Moore about the voter intimidation we faced when we went to the polls? A couple of my stories lasted on his site for several hours until they realized no one would mistakenly vote at the In-N-Out drive through window. heh
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If it passes will these liberal women vote for the bill? Yes. Because they know it will be gone in committee.
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Those unborn parasites Liberal women suffer from when they get pregnant can only be “removed” if the government pays for it.
IF YOU WANT TO COMMIT MURDER, COMMIT IT ON YOUR OWN!! YOU DON’T NEED OUR HELP.
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Dear tony, if you persist with that current avatar, expect much of
this henceforth~~~
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“In-N-Out drive through window”
One of the few thing I miss about SoCal.
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WHY WE IN AZ LOVE JOHN SHADEGG!!!
http://www.politico.com/livepulse/1109/GOP_Shadegg_to_buck_prolifers_party.html?showall
AWESOME MOVE!!!
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What is with Liberal women not shutting up?
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tony-think they’ll have a stroke? I hope they have insurance as upseet as they are.
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:barf:
Just checking, IP.
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okay…I am off to email the “Cuisinart tragedy” to Congress!! Or…can someone TWEET it to a congress Critter??
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He used an image tag, CT
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I’m glad some of you are watching CSPAN. I don’t have the stomach for it. I’m just enjoying the comments from this thread. I particularly like the “and you’re stupid” punchline.
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Could this amendment mess up the final vote tonight?
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Too few characters available to tweet a good tragedy.
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It’s interesting how the liberals will whine about government intrusion into privacy of citizens with the Stupak amendment – and yet the entire bill does not? Please . . .
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I am not watching it on tv, rather I am posting here with you fine people, while listening to my darling daughter attempt to teach our puppy to sit.
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Pro-Abortion legislature head is named SLAUGHTER!!!!!
How f…….. appropriate.
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The whole bill is an invasion of privacy!
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Seriously, MI? WOW that is an appropriate name if there ever was one.
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DeLaura
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Seriously, Slaughter just spoke.
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I can’t actually watch it . . . but I can listen to it in the background. Very similar to speeches from Obama – but I can stomach reading those
Brilliant moment of clarity (sarcasm intended) from Rep. Schakowsky:
No woman plans an unplanned pregnancy.
Now THAT’S deep.
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I must have missed it, why are there 3 “debaters”?
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JM, post your father’s sob story on Jackie Speier’s facebook page. I’ve been leaving a handful of comments there all day.
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RS urges NO:
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/11/07/republicans-should-vote-no-on-stupak/
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Christopher Smith was a good choice as final speaker on the R side. Hope there are many people watching.
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You need to find Christopher Smiths comments to the floor of the house and read them-It could bring you to tears.
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Brilliant points from Christopher Smith.
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Ok, here’s the Cuisinart tragedy…ready to email….
My Aunt Clara Schwartz lost her leg while preparing a large dinner for some crippled orphan children. The Cuisinart exploded just as she was adding the organically grown carrots to the Tofu-Bean Sprout mixture. Shards of carrot-coated Cuisinart parts lacerated her leg, and blood gushed everywhere. We rushed her to the Emergency Room but they refused her medical care claiming: “it’s a Pre-Existing Condition”! They claimed that anything that happened BEFORE you got to the Emergency Room was by definition “Pre-Existing”…and thus she was turned away. We managed to save her life, but she did eventually lose her leg. The sight of her hopping about on one leg, trying to still care for the orphan children is almost more than we can bear. The only bright spot in all this is that the crippled children now look to her as a role-model! Please pass Health Care reform. I would provide more details regarding the Cuisinart “accident”, but my lawyer says it might compromise our $16.5 million lawsuit.
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So—-If the Stupak amendment passes will these pro-death women vote for it.
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No woman plans the unplanned, eh? Dang, next you’ll tell me that women have no idea what causes pregnancy in the first place. Rape and incest victims represent 1% I believe of all abortions (though it might be as high as 3%) so I would argue that women do indeed plan to get pregnant if they have sex, otherwise they would use appropriate protection. Granted, accidents happen, but that is the risk you take by having sex. You cannot risk the slightest chance? Keep your legs closed.
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DUDE- you know I will, mpt!
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So—-If the Stupak amendment passes will these pro-death women vote for it.
edit
By “it” I assume you mean the bill itself. Of course they will, knowing full well it would never survive conference.
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Dad hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ohmygosh I am dying laughing
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ok…sent to Piglosi and Spier
it would rock to have it read!!!
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What I like about the Facebook page is that there is a 1% chance she’ll read a comment rather than the 0.001% she’ll read a comment email to her from her web site. Besides, it pisses the liberal sycophants off when conservatives post a comment.
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I posted it
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I guarantee some Berkley hippie reads that and cries many tears before emailing it to Obama to use as a follow up to the acne + cancer story.
[145]
Another hour on the Republican Bill. I’ll never make it before they vote-too long of day.
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JM, I LOVE IT!!! I really like the “lawyer” you kicked in at the end.
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I was just the messenger, mpt
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Pelosi has got to be promising a lot of money to the blue frauds to guarantee enough votes on her side.
I wonder what the going bribe price is.
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Cantor- 35 NOES.
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JM – but think of the CHILDREN! They’ll never look at ketchup on their tofu in the same way ever again . . . .
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What do they need –40?
They’ll never get it.
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I told Dad that he should have worked in the removal of her tonsils as a condition for the removal of her leg. lol Darn greedy doctors!
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They’ll never get it.
Think Reid is sweating bullets? If it passes, he’s toast for sure. If it dies. . . .
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removal tonsils? That’s even more serious that I thought. I only thought she received the H1N1 shot too early.
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Gangsters
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I wonder if lack of H1N1 vaccines is also the leading cause of Cuisinart accidents. We should look into that.
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The country is run by gangsters
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Even if it’s close it will lead to Dem trouble. If the Stupak amendment gets pushed aside later they lose pro-life Dems. If it is in the final bill the death eaters will vote against if I am reading it correctly.
They are setting themselves up for a win on the battle field but will lose the war.
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#151 The house R need 41 to kill the bill – there are 177 R – 218 Wins
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They need 41.
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341 I agree, vote NO or Present on Stupak….
Bohner has already established by asking the committee chairs that this is a ruse anyway….
Its no real pro-life protection….
If it was the pro-abortion nuts would be all over the TV, etc crying out violently….
A sucker ploy…..
KILL THE BILL – IT ALL ENDS NOW!!!!!
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why am I wanting to play “Welcome to the Jungle” by G-n-R all of a sudden?
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Hey Deckard- http://en.gravatar.com
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And if they cannot do much before January there is time for people during Thanksgiving and Christmas to give their rep an earful when they return to their district.
Then the election is only 10 months away. Going to be a nasty year.
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Where you been Wylie?
Can you believe I taught four, count them, four years of middle school math?
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You would think during the 2 hours of debate so far, Pelosi would’ve been able to find at least one person who died because of not having HC insurance or one woman who died because she wasn’t able to murder her unborn because the US government wouldn’t pay for the procedure or the child who was just minding his own business, but because he had no HC insurance, the H1N1 virus attacked him.
I’ll wait one more hour. Out of 300,000,000 people, there’s got to be at least one person who falls under these circumstances.
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If Pelosi gets up there and I’m listening she’ll have the dead person. ME!
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MI-C
Put away the cusinart
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You know what is strange? In SoCal, if you have private insurance (heard this from a nurse yesterday) you cannot get H1N1 vaccine unless you use the free county clinic or have a priority need? So I need to know why you can get it at a free clinic but not from your insurance? Bypassing the necessity? So strange. There is a clinic tomorrow, which is why she brought it up. Just throwing that out there.
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I’ll add the “tonsils” angle when we get to the Senate. I’ll email to Boxer…it’ll be PERFECT for her to read!!
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Cantor has announced he has 35 committed D NO votes?
An early miracle and their are 6 more sane D?
I still say the fix is in for “Nancy the Nasty” to get her 218…..unless the R grab a pair and throw a wrench in the Stupak ruse
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Dude….babies are not like the plague fer pete’s sake! Babies are not the leading cause of death in this country either!
How many couples go through years of fertility treatments, or couples who would adopt in a heartbeat but have too many hoops to jump through so they go overseas…..
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A freakin’ Liberal complaining about legistlating through emotion. Clowns.
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Can’t afford one, I just own knives.
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Even if you think you have 218 what if someone turns on you
At the very last moment…???
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MI, they need to pass a bill addressing your food processing needs post haste! A Cuisinart in every pot!
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I’m seriously considering buying two guinea pigs tomorrow and shaving “H1″ into the fur of one and “N1″ into the fur of the other. Then turning them loose in the neighborhood.
I’ll run down the hill screaming at my Liberal “friends”: For Obama’s sake don’t let them mate!!!”
such is amusement on the Left Coast
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We are witnessing the high-water mark of the ’60’s radicals.
And we are seeing their ugliness and evil on fully display.
The nation will pass them like a kidney stone–and that, my friends, ain’t pleasant.
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*gigglesnort* @ 177
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Hey Reid thought he had 60 votes a couple weeks ago.
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JM, at our HMO my wife and I cannot get the H1N1 vaccine at this time because it is being rationed to higher risk individuals such as health care providers, the elderly and children 12 and under. If more vaccine becomes available they will expand the groups to include people under 24 (or something like that). Sucks to be middle age — after all, we just pay all the bills.
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lying, child murdering Democrat scum.
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Just to be clear, I understand why the vaccine is being rationed. But it still kind of bothers me a bit.
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PG
My thought exactly
Just like the High Water Mark of the Confederacy
Pickett’s Charge…
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MFG, that is the X-factor.
What is the likelihood that some Dems are saying ‘yes’ to Nancy and Rahm when cornered in the dark recesses of the cloakroom, but when the vote actually comes will switch to ‘no’?
I think that likelihood is rather high.
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justrand-use a gerbil instead of a guinea pig.
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That was my point though, mpt. Why is it not rationed here if you are lacking insurance? No qualifying? Just show up to a free thing run by the county! Something stinks!
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Rangle talking. Shouldn’t he be in prison.
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Communist traitors to the constitution, oathbreaking bastards.
Pirate-speak be on the way….
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I see JM. Sorry I missed that point. I guess the “for pay” insurance and HMO businesses are showing some responsibility. Free clinics? Not so much.
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Arrrrrr!!!
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Keel haul the baby killing filth, matey!
[193]
Senator John Kerry: “The shortage of flu vaccine is the PRESIDENT’S responsibility!! ” [actual quote]
Ok, Johnnie boy…you thought it was the “President’s responsibility” in 2004…how about now you lying SOB?
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Considering what ‘keelhauling’ was, MFG, that would be lovely to watch……
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The American people are seeing a full display of tyranny in action.
They will reject it.
This country ain’t dead yet.
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Arggh matey, thet there Pelosi wench is ugly as Satan ‘imself, but she’ll serve in the brothel, she will
Arrrrrrrghhhh…
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250.00 in cash? Produce this man, produce this doctor, you lying bastard.
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#178 I am trying to live long enough to see ALL the Hippies drop dead! Thats the ONE good point in ScaryCare – it will Death Panel the hippies into an early grave as they will be the first ones up for it!!!!
#173 Some freakly D Rep was on the floor saying today that “18,000 people die from lack of health insurance”……this is stupid in so many freaking ways it boggles the mind!
First, they die of whatever disease they get (duh) not Health Insurance as thats only the bill paying…..last I checked you couldnt die of being in debt…..
Second, if its only 18,000 out of 300 million people, that really really FREAKING GOOD!!!! I mean far less then 1% – its a proven fact far more then that die in a month (or even week) while they are on socialist medicine waiting lists (assuming their treatments were even approved at all by the death panels!)…..I mean they are Utopian Socialist but how close to perfection do they want from private HC or Health Insurance?
Yea, their is voting on emotion, then there is voting on really deranged and stoooopppiddd emotion….
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yaaaaar! I be all for such talk…as long as at least one of the scurvy lot be made to walk the plank!
I would spare their women-folk, but there be not ONE winsome creature in the lot! [on the Dem side
]
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I’m getting really sick of these lying, nazi communist bastards.
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conservativetony, they can and DO make up whatever they want!
I’m hoping for at least a free Cuisinart from my tragic tale!
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*sick
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Even if those 41 vote against the abortion portion,piglosi will release some of them to vote no on the overall bill, then withhold the rest to suppport it. These head counts are meaningless.
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‘walk the plank!’
Yarrrr, actually we pirates never did this…..it be a myth.
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Of course, IP. Tonight is theater. The endgame is the Senate.
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How about Bill Owens revoking his pledge against the public option 3 days after winning the election?
The Voters of NY 23 are getting what they deserve.
How do you like it now, you ******* Obama voters!!!?????
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Well, Owens is gone in ‘10 now, isn’t he?
Filthy Communist scum
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g-dam McCain and the RINO elites in this country. Without them, we wouldn’t be in a situation where we need to beg 41 dimiwits to do what’s right.
[209]
The Dems played NY-23 beautifully.
Beautifully.
They are scum, but they are good at what they do.
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still trying to work on the avatar issue . . . *grumble grumble*
they keep running their mouths about increasing access, increasing access.
But that doesn’t mean HEALTHCARE ITSELF – the QUALITY will increase just because people can get access to a healthcare professional – without an INCREASE in healthcare facilities and professionals. Yeah – you’ve got access, but never mind the fact you might catch pneumonia while standing in line outside waiting to see the doctor.
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#206 Arrrrrr Ownes can go copulate with DeDe……he deserves that fate….lyning scumbago
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CT
I blame Bush for this
And I’m serious
He destroyed the R party
With 10 more R reps tonight would not be happening
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I was on The Watertown newspaper in NY 23 a couple hours ago. I get the feeling Owens may want to stay in Washington during the Thanksgiving and Chrsitmas Break.
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newspaper website-I meant
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Deckard
It’s going to be like Canada
You’ll have access to a waiting list and nothing else
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‘But that doesn’t mean HEALTHCARE ITSELF – the QUALITY will increase just because people can get access to a healthcare professional – without an INCREASE in healthcare facilities and professionals. Yeah – you’ve got access, but never mind the fact you might catch pneumonia while standing in line outside waiting to see the doctor.’
Socialism is all about everyone being equally miserable–except for the anointed elites.
Recall that every piece of scum voting tonight to extinguish the liberty of the American people will be exempt from their actions.
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I never thought I’d see the day when the voters of NJ would prove themselves cleverer than anyone in upstate NY, but holy shyte, there it be.
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‘Ownes can go copulate with DeDe’
Oy-vey
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Yes, I would have thought a NJ win would guarantee a NY win
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Wasn’t there an amendment shot down that would have required Congress critters to have to be put on the same plan they want for their constituents? Why would they turn down this wonderful plan for themselves?
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I agree, MFG
Bush was taking it to the terrorists, but taking it from Republicans.
[222]
From the Washington Times–
The Washington Times caught up with the brand new Democratic congressman from upstate New York, and asked him about the campaign promises he is being accused of breaking, but Mr. Owens seems to think he does not owe his constituents any explanation of his vote tonight other than telling the Washington Times Water Cooler to read his press release.
What about 2010? Congressman Owens refused to speculate at this point whether or not he felt confident about the 2010 election.
It seems when Mr. Owens’s local paper tried contacting his office, they received the cold shoulder as well:
When The Gouverneur Times attempted to contact Mr. Owens to clarify this information, we received no direct response to our phone or email inquiries.
Finally, The Water Cooler pointed out to the congressman he has no public website for constituents and press to contact him to speak of and a crucial vote is currently going down. His response? The Washington Times received a gmail address of his chief of staff and a “we’re working on getting all those things up and running.” How convenient.
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Oh you’ll have access to something else besides a line. alright..
A freaking needle, that’s what else.
Bring it on, you reds! You’re starting something you can’t finish.
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Poli is working it hard tonight, but so far he has goose eggs across the board.
Well, it’s his own damn fault.
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381.Don’t Be Surprised When Stupak Isn’t in the Final Bill [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
From John Boehner’s website:
from NRO:
http://www.hedgehogreport.com/
2:35 PM: Chairman Waxman Won’t Guarantee That Speaker Pelosi’s Final Health Bill Will Include Stupak Anti-Abortion Language
In an exchange this afternoon on the House Floor, House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH) asked Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman (D-CA) if he would guarantee abortion opponents that Rep. Bart Stupak’s (D-MI) amendment barring federal funding of abortion in Speaker Pelosi’s government takeover of health care will not be jettisoned from the bill by Democratic congressional leaders in House-Senate conference negotiations if the Pelosi bill passes the House with the Stupak amendment attached.
Chairman Waxman’s answer? “No guarantee can be made by me or any other Member at this time.”
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With 10 more R reps tonight would not be happening~~MFG
We have 177. we would need 41 more, as the hog dogs are not reliable.
[227]
Resist, remove, repeal.
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I’ve seen comments at HA from Michigan folks that Stupak is a weasel.
He fully knows what is going on, he just wants protection on the issue.
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Well, it’s his own damn fault.
OL forever baby…..
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Stupak is not my rep but he has pulled BS before.
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phineas –
I was speaking with someone this afternoon about why members of Congress aren’t included as being participants in this travesty. He told me that it was up for discussion in the past and they voted against it *surprise* – WHY?? “We get our own healthcare options in exchange for being your public servants/representatives – it comes with the package”.
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That’s right, none of these dems actually gives a rats ass about baby slaughter.
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Resist the implementation of the bill.
Remove the traitor scum who vote for it
Repeal this horrible illegal law.
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I’ve seen comments at HA from Michigan folks that Stupak is a weasel.
He fully knows what is going on, he just wants protection on the issue.
PG
He only got elected on his pro gun stance, other than that he is just another genetically pre-destined demo~drone.
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I’m fascinated–do you think these radical loons will push straight on to cap-tax and amnesty in the face of a possible depression and 15% unemployment?
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who let rat-face Waxman in the musical chairs game? What a mug . . .
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#230 He represent the “Yoopers” don’t he? They be salt-o-the-earth people and wont be going for this socialist non-sense at all……GOP needs to get a decent candidate to take out that phoney……look at the dude’s greaseball/gangster “doo” is all you need to know about his weaselness!
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PG
After tonight PG nothing would surprise me, I think Pelosi is schizophrenic enough to try
[239]
Watching the Democrats on this.
This is more like a circus to them. A Freak show. Talk about grandstanding.
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Put it this way–I firmly believe that if Pelosi and the marxist could march anyone opposing them off to death camps and exterminate them, that they would cheerfully do so.
Seriously. These are the people running our country.
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#235 Yes, its all about power n control….
They sure know that they will be voted out in 10 maybe 12 but they know they will be back big time as their government imposed ruin and dependency sets in!!!!!
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‘What a mug . . .’
Pigman! Ha ha, charade you are….
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THE UP votes mostly Democratic. They have no jobs and want hand outs.
[244]
Just perused Poli’s site. Wow. Just wow. Had to brush away the cobwebs and could hear crickets in the background. Very similar to visiting my old camp as a grown up after it was abandoned for a number of years.
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they will push on – most definitely. There’s no time to lose. My Dem friend in Colorado finally woke up today while watching CSPAN (at my advising) and said
“They don’t give a @#$% about us. The employers don’t give a @#$% about us, Congress doesn’t give a @#$% about us.”
Um . . . you got it. But you’ll willingly let them rob and steal from you – all under the guise of “for the common good”.
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‘Very similar to visiting my old camp as a grown up after it was abandoned for a number of years.’
Nothin’ left but the floor
Nothin’ lives there anymore
etc
[247]
PG
Chavez is their model I think
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When will Locomotive Breath call for the vote?
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I promise to donate at least $25, to the DEFEAT of each and every “Blue Dog Democrat” who votes for this abortion. Yes…I have done the math. Mrs. Justrand will shoot me…but that is my promise.
The list will be compiled, I am told, on Michelle Malkin’s site.
Texas…ya’ll better declare for independence soon!
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Obama is a poor man’s Chavez.
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#243 the power of dependecy in action……then why all this pro-Life postring by Stupak? He just needs to go straight to the big government handouts in HC……
Of course, the UP is a wasteland economically like Detriot due to having a high-tax handout economy…..
They should try the free market…..course they would have to take the scary step of giving up their handouts….
[252]
Texas will have to put a fence along all borders if they declare independence!
[253]
Voting starts at 9:30 (about)
[254]
Oklatex
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IP727…we’re counting on you getting us safe passage in!
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Rep are racist because of this vote!!
[257]
Hmmmm, whatever will become of Wyoming?
Israel comes to mind…..
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God Bless Oklatex!
Land that I love
Stand beside her, and guide her
Through the night with the light from above
From El Paso to New Orleans
To Oklahoma City
Filled with patriots
God Bless Oklatex
My home sweet home!
God Bless Oklatex
My home sweet home!!
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Racist if we blow our noses or vote the wrong way. Nothing escapes a racism charge if you are a Republican.
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8:12 P.M. -
POSTPONED PROCEEDINGS – At the conclusion of debate on the Stupak amendment, the Chair put the question on adoption of the amendment and by voice vote, announced that the noes had prevailed. Mr. Stupak demanded the yeas and nays and the Chair postponed further proceedings on the question of adoption of the amendment until later in the legislative day.
http://clerk.house.gov/floorsummary/floor.html
[261]
Three stars instead of fifty on Old Glory
It’ll work…
[262]
Kate Smith ain’t got nothing on you.
[263]
Cantor now says “35 No votes” amongst Dems. Well no shit, Eric. The black widow spider (aka: Piglosi) knows EXACTLY how many votes it takes to make it “close and exciting”. And that is EXACTLY how many we will get!
Geez
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LOL!
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I think they want the vote on Rep bill before the Stupak bill.
[266]
Wylie E. Coyote…now THAT might be significant!
[267]
Justrand, let’s have lunch or something sometime. With enough drinks maybe one of us will be willing to run for congress in ‘10. Perhaps we should meet with Greg Conlon and see what he has to say. He ran in 2008 and could probably at least give us an idea of how hopeless it really is to unseat a Democrat in the Bay Area.
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Run, mpt! We will fully back you.
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#266 I have no idea what exactly it means…..hoping one of you can translate that gibberish into English lol
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I think your father has the silver tongue and he certainly has the historical perspective.
[271]
JR for Congress!
[272]
We can add a page to the site just for you and I will ask Kenny if we can get another site linked to it for donations as well. Dad is an excellent writer and would attend events with you. Scott Ott of Scrappleface just ran for office (sadly he lost but it was very close) and I’ll bet he would assist with publicity. He is a very nice man.
[273]
C’mon! Let’s make this happen!
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I have to run out for an errand. Hopefully this whole damn drama will be over by the time I get back. Elections and their consequences. We be screwed.
[275]
JM, I’m too sober right now.
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From our buds at HHR, a translation on the Stupak amendment thing:
it means that Pelosi was afraid to actually count the votes because it would have officially failed. By not counting the yeahs and neighs it allows them to go and strong arm some Dems who were voting no into voting yes. It also allows the amendment to live on because it hasnt been officially voted down
Basically they are tabling it now.
Right after Boehner introduced an amendment to allow purchase across statelines, to allow small business to join larger groups, and to put in abortion restrictions amongst other things. Now the Dems have to go on record voting no against all of these things.
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#272 I want to run for Office too on a “Freedom NOW” platform…..
Will you and other BJGers support me?
[278]
Rahm gets busy
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Yes, Wylie. I am hoping to assist someone from another site on here as well.
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FROM Cory the socialist on HHR:
Allow me to caveat this by declaring it as total speculation… but here is my best guess:
Pelosi made a deal with the blue dogs to get their support for the HC bill in return for allowing a vote on the abortion amendment. Both sides likely assumed the amendment would pass.
Now, with GOP support for the amendment up in the air, Pelosi needs to make sure that the blue dogs will honour the deal, even if the vote on the amendment fails. My guess is she won’t allow the amendment vote to take place, until she knows whether or not she needs it to pass.
[281]
WEC
I’m looking to support a candidate favoring the secession of Oklatex (Oklahoma, Louisiana, Texas) from the US
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#279 JM – COOLIO! You folks on BJG are the BEST despite repeated attempt by certain pycho KOS PLANTS on HHR to slander your good name!!!!
[283]
#281 I am still looking to salvage the U.S. Constitution and the Union…..however, that maybe a viable plan B in the not-to-distant future!
[284]
I put up a new thread if you want to move to it. This one is starting to load slowly for me.
[285]
I like what Boeher is doing, but this is what the other Republican speakers should have been doing throughout the day.
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284. Great speech on the thread. Thanks
[287]
You’re welcome, Eph!
[288]
If CT insists on keeping his present avatar, I will be forced to change mine to helen thomas, or nasty piglosi.
[289]
Then we’ll petition JM to ban both of you!
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Yeah….feel free to move on over to INC’s thread! Around the 300 mark the page sometimes loads slowly.