Defiance
2009 December 21
From an unexpected source
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“He was guilty of nothing, except that he earned his own fortune and never forgot that it was his.“ The concept contained within that phrase is what has set America apart, and made her the greatest nation on Earth. And it is the systematic attack on that concept, that this website is dedicated to fighting. This website is NOT devoted to making people “wealthy”, but rather to fighting the notion that the “wealth” they DO have needs to be “redistributed”.
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I wouldn’t call Dick Morris all THAT “unexpected”
But fight them we must! We must fight harder between now and November 2010 than ever before. After that…
Folks, if we fail to at least take back one House of Congress, it will mean that the American people are essentially beyond redemption.
I WILL abandon all hope for this country as it is…and set about returning it to what it was, and MUST be! That prospect appalls me…but I will be part of it if I must.
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Yo! Mark Steyn sitting in for Hannity!
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So JR, should I start sending you real estate pamphlets in Texas
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drdog…yes! of course, I have a very defensable position staked out in the mountains here, behind enemy lines!
btw, just read that Obama has NOW proclaimed himself to be a “Deficit Hawk!” The re-making, re-branding, and re-selling of Obama has begun! Look for the FIRST target of the “Deficit Hawk” to be…the military!! 100% guarantee!
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STILL DEAD!
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#5 But is it becoming ALIVE – pull the plug now Dr. Obamastein as your monster is getting out of control lol
CrappyCare = the new Promethius!
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#4 “hawk” in what sense?
I the sense he wants to see that deficet SOAR to unheard of height then ya, duh lol
Usually when a socialist talks this way its usally a prelude to another wallet grab ie taxes/fees or another scam to take away my liberty be very very Scared lol
After all, his talk about HC has been all about “reducing” cost and creating “choice”…..
Orewell 101 – tell people what they want to here but enact act policies that do just the opposite!
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crappycare
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I would add that Dick must be losing his mind a bit….his column the other day was about how HC was “waterdown” and “would not be a takeover”….
I understand he was trying to pump up the troops a bit the ditchin’ of the public option thing – but that was far from a huge “victory” for R or conservatives as it pretty much put us back to HillaryCare….
I am with him and all R or consetvates but lets go B$%s to the wall if we are gonna try to kill this for real in conference and lets get our voice out there calling people to action!
That whole recall idea thing from the last thread is great…..I wish that we could done that a month ago….
Kinda would have been our way of telling the Begish of the world “hey lookie what we got for ya sooner then you think!”
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#8 Yeah, thats what the local “minster of health happiness” will be givin ya next time you need an MRI lol
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Minister of Health Happiness
LOL
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The minister of health and happiness will see you now
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#11 Well, no crap, in the actual bill they got something called the “Health Choices Commishiner” lol
Ya one person has a “choice” and its the unelected commishoner!
The rest of the choices are elimnated in the most underhanded and destructive manner possible lol
Totall NewSpeak gibberish is CrappyCare lol
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ip…your post #12 provided the PERFECT image for ObamaCare!
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dang, I was expecting darth vader….
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If any of you wish to take a few minutes, here’s an interesting video by Steven Crowder about how liberalism, government entitlement programs and unions destroyed Detroit.
“Soon we will all be Detroiters,” Barack Obama circa 2009.
http://bluelori.blogspot.com/2009/12/detroit-tribute-to-liberal-failure.html
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Here is the “No kidding Sherlock Holmes” understatement of the year lol:
“McConnell: Mark My Words, This Legislation Will Reshape Our Nation”
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#16 Yep, them socialists you listed took the most economic propersous city and state in the nation and turned them into a economic/social/human wasteland in less then 2 generations!
And it was all done “for the good” of those people!
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Methinks that the cons still does not allow recalls.
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“Yo! Mark Steyn sitting in for Hannity!”
Hannity’s America has become virtually unwatchable. He still gets ratings because listening to Sean repeat himself is better than CNN and MSNBC. Unfortunately that dolt Nicolle Wallace is on the Great, Great, Great, Great American Panel. Monday Night Football is a blowout. WWE? If they had more girls in bikinis and fewer guys on steroids wrestling ….
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we still have the 2nd Amendment…and it’s time to stock up!
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recall
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Speaking as brucefdb I think there will be some great energy on our part after the Holidays. I hope we can do something to distract from Ogabes SOTU and then build momentum all the way to November. I would like to have all conservatives take a week off from all economic activity, including working. This to be repeated monthly while other repressive legislation is being considered.
I haven’t given up yet….but I am buying ammo.
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Have ammo, have targets, need a legal season on Pols. 2 day limit, 6 for the season, no tags please.
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ACORN qualifies two ways for funding in the health care bill. Lovely.
“According to page 241 of the amendment:
In carrying out this subsection, the Secretary, acting through the Deputy Assistant Secretary, shall award grants, contracts, enter into memoranda of understanding, cooperative, interagency, intra-agency and other agreements with public and nonprofit private entities, agencies, as well as Departmental and Cabinet agencies and organizations, and with organizations that are indigenous human resource providers in communities of color to assure improved health status of racial and ethnic minorities, and shall develop measures to evaluate the effectiveness of activities aimed at reducing health disparities and supporting the local community. Such measures shall evaluate community outreach activities, language services, workforce cultural competence, and other areas as determined by the Secretary.’’
According to a Senate legislative aide, the scandal-plagued Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now could qualify for grants under this provision. ACORN would also qualify for funding on page 150 of the underlying Reid bill, which says that “community and consumer-focused nonprofit groups” may receive grants to “conduct public education activities to raise awareness of the availability of qualified health plans.”
Weekly Standard link
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MESSAGE FOR MFG
Here’s some info on medical tourism. This is the email reply I got back from my fellow legislator”:
“Might look up PlanetHospital – they organize medical trips abroad and can do all of the scouting, facility evaluation, etc. I think it is better to go through reputable intermediaries for these services. Usually the hospitals pay the intermediary a “finder’s fee” and the intermediary handles most of the technical details surrounding the trip. Also, personally, if I were planning a foreign medical trip I would probably look in Thailand first. They are a little less expensive than Singapore but more expensive than India. On the other hand, the amenities for R&R(rest and recuperation) in Thailand would be better than those in India – and I am not talking about the seedy nightlife in Bangkok, I’m talking about the world-class white sand beaches. And seedy beach babes
The largest “destination hospital” in Bangkok is Bumrungrad Hospital – JCI accredited, top 10 destination hospital in the world .. go here for info:
http://www.bumrungrad.com
also
http://www.planethospital.com
(The guy that owns planethospital was the person who arranged to bring the Singapore delegation to the capital.”
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The above is compliments of Senator Roland Burris. This was his payoff when he realized you could get in the line for cash for cloture.
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excuse me if I feel like watering the tree of liberty with the blood of Tyrants FIRST…and only applying the blood of Patriots if needed!
I’ve NEVER been madder in my life!
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True dichotomy of perspective –
* Senate passes cloture on the expansion of the State.
* TCM, is right now showing ‘Mr. Smith Goes to Washington’.
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I think someone at TCM isn’t too happy with D.C. I think that’s at least 3 times recently they’ve shown Mr. Smith.
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RetLaw
Cool! Thanks!
I’ll check these out, much appreciated!!
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It seems Leader Reid has inserted in the health care bill a requirement that for future congresses to change provisions in the bill, it will require a super-majority of 67 senators.
Redstate has the details on rule 3403 here.
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Why not 105 Senators?
That’s not legal.
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According to a law prof in the comments at RedState it can be changed.
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Why not 300 Senators? Why not a thousand?
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The end of era as the last “big block” V-8 L18 engine rolls off the GM assembly line.
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#32 Cool, great – awesome – just add that to the list of Unconstitutional things in this crapsandwich lol
Nope, dont get worried about this – we will just add this to the list of things to “fix” in the “watered down” bill….
I am gettin so sick of this RNC/DNC spin….I actually heard a “conservative” talk show host today say we should “let Obamacare go” and “be quiet” because we have WhiteSnake calling us names (like that aint normal behavior from the left) and if we get angry and protest this crap we might be “labeled” by the left…..yeah, no crap – this is the talking point on all these shows today lol
That and get on board with the GOP win 10….damm, so what – it not like this 2100 pages of Crap wont be well on its way by then!
But hey, this just wizes on the Constution again – but we have established this doesnt mean anything to anyone anymore – no, its all about the benjamin$ – enslavement is cool, as long as its paid for!
But hey, we dont want to appear “angry” as Senator WhiteSnake might call us bad, untrue names – gee that never has happened to conservative before lol
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And please excuse me while I barf: Obama gets an ‘A’ for effort from Schwarzenegger.
MFG, with all due respect, we can do fine without the stink’n RINOs.
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#36 That sucks, the 8.1L big block was an awesome engine – great towing power…
However, my days buying anything GM/chysler ended when it became “socialist/UAW motors”….
Now I will only buy a Ford or other makes that are still privately owned….
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#32 What a way to tip his hand!
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Sigh, if its not bad enough that this crap is going to pass….
Now we are being told by our supposed “leaders” to be calm and let it happen – its not so bad…..
After a day of hearing this Crap all over the internet, radio, and TV its pretty depressing….
Instead of telling people how bad this is and imploring them to act….
We are being told not to make Sheldon WhiteSnake angry cause he may call you names….
And to run around in for the NOV 10 election on some fantasy that we ae going to remove 2100 pages of HC nationalization that the left has pushed 50 years to get and every special interest in DC is cashing in on for short term gain…..
Yeah, I agree their neeeds to be some “plans” made for 10 and beyond but they shouldnt involve playing the same old political games that got us here to begin with….
The people need to take action outside the politcal establish to protect our liberty and Consitution….
Clearly, the people, and I mean ALL people – left, right, and independent – were sold a lie by the establishment….
This CrappyCare scam simply perpetuates a bad ponzi scheme (medicare) by bringing new suckers into the system with more $$$ and killing off the old suckers early thru rationing and cuts, lines the pockets of speecial intersts and unions/corps, then leaves us dumped into single payer when this crap implodes….
Everybody should be mad as hell!
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From National Review Online.
McConnell: Nelson ‘Made Himself Look Quite Foolish’ [Robert Costa]
As Obamacare hurtles towards final passage in the Senate, Republican leader Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.) is casting a glance toward the House. If Harry Reid’s bill heads there, Democrats “have a choice,” McConnell tells NRO. “They can either have a conference or message back between each chamber to modify the bill. Either way, whatever they come up with will require 60 votes in the Senate again.” (McConnell is referencing what is known as a legislative “ping pong,” where the two chambers communicate without forming a conference committee.)
“Will the Left back down in the House?” wonders McConnell. “That’s the big question. Abortion language could be the snag in the path to final passage, if you listen to what the Blue Dogs and Congressman Stupak are saying.”
However the bill is hashed out, once it comes back to the Senate, “Democrats are going to have some interesting negotiations amongst themselves to see if they can square some of their differences,” predicts McConnell. “We won’t make it easy at any point.” Still, he admits, “the moment Specter went over, they had 60, so they can do anything they want to do if they stick together.”
Reid, McConnell says, “was open for business” throughout the Senate debate. “Just look at how he was trying to buy support.” Did Ben Nelson get bribed? “Well, he certainly got a special deal for Nebraska,” says McConnell. “It was a terrible deal for a guy who’s supposed to be pro-life. He wasn’t much of a negotiator. Just look at how his fellow senator and governor have denounced the deal. He made himself look quite foolish.”
Could Republicans have worked with Democrats on a bipartisan bill instead of unifying against it? “No,” says McConnell. “Did our members talk to them? You bet,” he says. “Even our more conservative members reached out, but they were not interested in writing a bill down the center.”
Come 2010, health care will continue to dominate American politics, says McConnell. “This fight isn’t over. It’s going to be a multi-cycle campaign issue. Many Democrats will be defeated over this. The landscape is shifting. We have an excellent chance of having the cavalry arrive next year. The Democrats will be more skittish. A substantial number of them will want to change the subject as rapidly as possible. [Health care] is a huge political loser for them. We’ve watched the surveys change, created a national debate, and laid out our differences in opinion. Our side didn’t go in the tank and make this a bipartisan bill. We showed that our opposition has a pulse.”
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Well boys and girls, this may not be over and it may get a lot bloodier before it is over. And it may be drawn out much longer than the democrats want.
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Are we moving towards Civil War?
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MFG – I think so.
Today on Glenn Beck’s program, a guy called in with the following. He said that congressman, senators and their aides have family members back home. Who is to say they will be safe and things happen.
The guy was not saying that he would do it or had an angry tone to it. Just a matter of fact way of saying it.
Look at this article on yahoo. Fear of violence grows in mountaintop mining fight.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_coalfields_flash_point
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Here is another useful idea: Nullification of CrappyCare at the state level!
http://www.redstate.com/michaelboldin/2009/12/21/health-care-nullification-things-have-just-gotten-underway/
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#44 You can bet your bippy that if the shoe was on the other foot, the dems would be doing all kinds of unmentionable things to the children and family members of reps……and you have only to look at the AIG execs for proof of this on an albeit smaller scale.
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Are we moving towards Civil War?
If there be Civil War, there shall be blood and no State will be exempt.
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WEC,
Keep in mind that approximately 6 States have been granted nullification at the Federal level right in the bill. Nebraska being the most egregious example.
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Great show on “Hannity” on fox tonight!
Mark Styen is the guest host – he is has got Dick Morris and Karl Rove on tonight!
Quite a contrast:
Morris & Rove: CrappyCare is watered down. Its not a HC takeover. We will “repeal it” in 10. It will damage the D “image”. There will be little or no effect of government dependecy. It will be a repeat of the 88 medicare reform repeal.
Steyn: Its a complete HC takeover. Government HC is a “gamechanger” see the UK and Canada or SS/Medicare. D are going for long term politcal dominace with government expansion and dependecy.
Facinating, excellent to see one guy (Steyn!) taking on “the man” and the talkin’ points!
Hannity usually just gets the RNC talkin’ points and MeMe them….
Mark Styen for president!
Oh, ya – he Canadian lol
Watch the show!
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#48 I mean from the local/state level up!
Not the unconstituional “top” down, “Babyface” Nelson way!
Fight the MAN – Fight the MAN!
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Here is an excellent explanation of why CrappyCare is such a danger to your freedom and prosperity – if nothing else, it ENSHRIES the principle that the Federal Government RUNS HC in AMERICA!
http://www.redstate.com/civil_truth/2009/12/21/the-irreversible-consequences-of-senate-passage-of-a-national-health-care-bill/
“Should the Senate maintain their 60 votes through this week and pass the current health care bill, we will have seen an historic event presaging the very end of the American experiment in a Constitutional federal republic comparable to the repeal of the 17th Amendment and other events that opened a hole in the Constitution to allow the growth of an all-powerful central government.”
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“What that means is that there will be no way to go back to a pre-national health care system, because all these transformed institutions will create an inertia for a national health care approach that will make impossible attempts to go back. In other words, as with most of the New Deal or Great Society programs like Medicare, once we have substantial numbers of voters and institutions dependent upon Federal largess and regulation, the relationship becomes mutually parasitic and inseparable.
That is, all the institutions that resisted the Federalization efforts – and that could only be overcome by corruption and co-option and self-delusion – will now line up to protect the new status quo”
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WEC,
Forevermore I nominate you as the Thomas Paine of this blog!
Now, what we need you to do is start building a resistance movement communications network. We might win in ‘10 or we might not. We need to be ready.
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Here is a good article that exposes that the “lefts” outrage is all fake (just in case the lack of any NO votes in the Senate didnt clue you in to this!):
http://www.redstate.com/stevem/2009/12/21/the-fallacy-of-liberal-opposition-to-obamacare/
I would just add two more points to what the authors says:
(1) This is still an complete HC takeover they want – the difference is that its in name only! Thats also why, Dean et al are all for it!
(2) This sets us up for the next “tweek” leftward in HC a few years down the road as now the left can claim “we told you so – the free market is broke and the insurance companies are evil”. And dont let anyone till you otherwise – this kubaki crap is designed to fail – see ME, MA, etc – anyplace that has this CrappyCare scam is causing premiums to soar, forcing small insurance companies out of the market, causing waiting list and rationing, taxes go up up up, and puts politicans in charge of everyones care thur regulation!
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#53 DrD – well ya, we gotta build something that restores the constutuion and the rights of the indiviudal!
I am spittin’ mad!
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“267.How nasty would this be?
http://www.redstate.com/michaelboldin/2009/12/21/health-care-nullification-things-have-just-gotten-underway/
Imagine 20 to 25 states who flip the federal government via 10th amendment. Oh the howls from the libs in Washington. The lack of federal tax revenue from those states would implode Obamacare in short order.
By the way, this abortion compromise was Nelson’s idea. Reid and Schumer were about to give up.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091222/ap_on_go_co/us_health_overhaul_deal
Comment by phoenixrisen — December 22, 2009 @ 1:45 am”
Good post, he just forgot this key line:
“Reid and Nelson started to say goodnight, and wound up hugging each other. Nelson hugged Schumer next and then left.”
That says it all!
Snakes hug as they enslave the masses!
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This is a GREAT Thought provking article about how to counter the lefts power grab to socialism!
http://www.redstate.com/vassar/2009/12/18/the-cold-dispassion-of-analysis-a-cautionary-insight/
“We may take Congress back in 2010, but they will not allow it to be taken back without mayhem, destruction or worse. This I am fairly certain. They will put people in the streets. So, we, still without really knowing who “WE” are, leaderless and not yet of one mind in the tactical and strategic sense, have to begin planning now on what has to be done if we do get power back, for we cannot simply go back to four years off, four years on, of this sort of give and take, because they gain five new miles for every mile we try to take back in each cycle. They have called the stakes of this contest, winner take all…most of them without ever really considering what that means, and will continue to do so until our side calls down the thunder and douses them with a cold case of reality. That too will be ugly.
Some analysts have known this would be the case since Clinton talked Newt out of his knickers, over a decade ago. Their grand plan, the Great Game, was known to some even then. Now we are dealing with out and out-in-the-open criminality, and dare I use it here, the t-word. It doesn’t matter if we realize this yet or not. They know it. They know their intention is to take over this country, and hold it by force, and destroy the US Constitution, and all it stands for…and a little unused legal term like “treason” is not going to stand in their way. They will assume we will react toward them just as they would, and want to now, with Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. Why that hasn’t happened already is simply a matter of timing. Wait til health care passes. You can see this in the Coming Attractions at the cineplex come February.
But some of the People, Tea Partiers, 9/12′ers, do get it. Actually more get it, as a percent of the population, than did in 1776. They have taken this very personally. They have already taken to the streets, metaphorically, but with the sign of a clear willingness to put a little counter punch behind it. And yes, we think the other side plans on this occurring, and maybe even is encouraging it. They certainly have several ways to respond and are prepared. Worse, without leadership on our side, I am not certain any of this can be prevented or deferred…a very resistible force rushing headlong into what so far has proven to be an immovable, and ugly-mean, object. It took George Washington some years to be able to raise and train an army, while constantly on the run, trying to evade a superior army. We seem to still be in that “rabble in arms” phase (Kenneth Roberts’ term) used that assaulted Quebec in 1775. We are a few years away from being the kind of army that can stand up in front of Cornwallis.
Again, they know this, even if we don’t, so I don’t see any of this ending pretty.
Still, the coldest fact of all…
…. fight or surrender.”
Who is going to step up to lead the resistance!
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“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
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If this bill passes, and most believe it will, the only hope for America is a few states with courageous governors and legislators. The only force big enough to stop it is the lack of participation and funding by the American patriot.
I am prepared to move from my state of more than 60 years, and will regardless of the great personal cost.
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Are we moving towards Civil War?
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Rush said the Revolutionary war was fought over far LESS tyranny than we’re experiencing now.
Hmmmmmm
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I am prepared to move from my state of more than 60 years, and will regardless of the great personal cost.
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Count me in.
I’m waiting for ONE solid governor to tell the feds to F#$@ off.
Just one.
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I am prepared to move from my state of more than 60 years, and will regardless of the great personal cost ~~ mullet
You are one aged mullet.
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You are one aged mullet.
~IP
With age and experience comes…………girth.
I am a trophy mullet. A wall-hanger, so to speak. The baddest mutha in the tidal pool. I jump higher, spit farther, and bubble bigger than any of the other mullets.
the last big mullet before me