Will This Man Hold Fast?
2010 March 9
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“He was guilty of nothing, except that he earned his own fortune and never forgot that it was his.“ The concept contained within that phrase is what has set America apart, and made her the greatest nation on Earth. And it is the systematic attack on that concept, that this website is dedicated to fighting. This website is NOT devoted to making people “wealthy”, but rather to fighting the notion that the “wealth” they DO have needs to be “redistributed”.
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Doesn’t matter.. so long as something get’s attached in the house some how like they are talking about – selfexecuting sidecar bs..
ie
““Party leaders have discussed the possibility of using the House Rules Committee to avoid an actual vote on the Senate’s bill, according to leadership aides. They would do this by writing what’s called a “self-executing rule,” meaning the Senate bill would be attached to a package of fixes being negotiated between the two chambers — without an actual vote on the Senate’s legislation.”
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That forces recon… and the fun begins and it’s likely dead, besides the above is a big if to begin with.
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How popular is this idea? We need the language and the CBO scores to detail how bad Obamacare II is.
Comment by rdelbov
Clever move designed to scare piglosi and co into giving in to his demands.He thinks that by sending botox betty this message,she will come around.He had better grow a pair,before prodding that beast.
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Side car needs 60, right…???
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They’re still talking about this in March
MARCH!!
Maybe we can keep this debate going till October and win 100 House seats…
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RasputinCare
The bill that will never die
NightOfTheLivingHellCareBill
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He’s baaaacckk!
At HA.
Crediting MFG.
See ya.
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The problem with the sidecar idea is that the Senate version of the bill must be passed FIRST. There is no guarantee that the Senate would even take the sidecar up after that. The House members are screwed if they believe that the Senate has the will to take any of this stuff up after the fact.
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Phineas!
Where have you been…???
Good to see you!
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PG, Hope you have been well.
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I’m really hoping for the side-car with a sunday banana-split, with a self starting tricycle lease purchase stapled to the side.
That’s the type of gobbly gook they are talking about, not to mention it sounds like they are creating a process out of thin air, sounds that way anyway I don’t know if type of chit has every been defined or used before.
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7 – Nope that’s not even apparently what they are talking about now.. There talking about some crazy BS in house now ie.. changing the senate bill with some sort of self-excuting bs… but yes none of it gets around the senate having to vote again problem.
This is getting so convoluted and messy that more and more it seems it’s all a smoke screen to not have a vote and claim..well we sort of tried but it just couldn’t be done, and of course it’s all the GOP’s fault!
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Its getting more apparent that WEC’s post November surprise scenario might be played out. All this garbage is just laying the ground work to let the bills go dormant.
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Phineas has these splitting headches.
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A sidecar of budget amendments can pass with 51. If any policy issues are there, like abortion, it should require 60.
The fight will be over amendments, and time allowed for debate, and abortion. It will be a brutal fight, and will go on forever.
How many think Obama and Harry will put up with the BS when they can just stand on the Senate bill, and say……..”Sorry, guys. There’s elections coming up.”
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But Mullet, that assumes these people are SANE
I don’t think we can make that assumption
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13, you nailed it!
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Oh, I don’t think the Senate has the stomach for more infighting on HC. At best they would do a head fake then just quit bringing any of it up. Everything dies in committee.
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Reid can limit the amendments, and have the parliamentarian overruled.
He’s done it before.
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This should be made into a B movie
I loved those as a kid!
“The Bill That Wouldn’t Die!!”
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Everything was caused by mutations from radiation
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Health care reform will be with us always,
Like freddie kruger it shows up in the hallways,
Ugly as sin, with pock marked skin,
This legislative zombie resurrects agin and agin,
It will be with us until the end of our days.
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Hatch says the Senate explodes if Biden starts overruling the Parlimentarian.
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HellCare forever
It will never ever stop
Have mercy Dear God
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The bill from Hell
T’would never die
Although we scream
Although we cry
It goes forever
Running free
Screwing you
And screwing me
What can stop this cursed plague?
Give up our freedom to the Hague!
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IP727 – for you and MFG.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xos2MnVxe-c
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GN
great find!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2PLls02gOU
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Of course here is the public’s reaction to HC — http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ_pKqiB5Rg&feature=related
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MFG, have the DVD to Them. Son gave it to me years ago.
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An abnormal brain in a seven foot monster,yep that be obammercare.
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Thank you gnqanq, that hit the spot.
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14 – recon’s gonna fail… what goes in will not be what comes out; that why they want to avoid it besides the PR factor.
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33 – Why pass one around that is not the bill being being debated currently?
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Alas and alak, david wussie has banned me from hogdog report it would appear.
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Speaking of being confused…
http://noisyroom.net/blog/2010/03/09/oreilly-vs-oreilly-gun-confiscation-debate-or-dueling-oreillys/
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IP,
Are you DQ over at the HHR?
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This is funny…
http://noisyroom.net/blog/2010/03/09/oreilly-vs-oreilly-gun-confiscation-debate-or-dueling-oreillys/
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http://noisyroom.net/blog/2010/03/09/oreilly-vs-oreilly-gun-confiscation-debate-or-dueling-oreillys/
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I was, but it would appear I have been banned by goodie two shoes.
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38. Happens to me all the time bro…
luckily that place is a turd pool so you’re really not missing anything
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test…
http://noisyroom.net/blog/2010/03/09/oreilly-vs-oreilly-gun-confiscation-debate-or-dueling-oreillys/
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38. Did you insult his asian girlfriend ???
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NO, I mentioned nothing about that, but it might have been my reference to “nips” while discussing ww-2.
This may have been the culprit::
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson
The tree of tyranny must be watered from time to time with
the piss of patriots.~~D QUIXOTE
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35 – doubt it… are you post just not showing up? Happens all the time to me some time it doesn’t like what your posting… links and certain word combo’s…. TinyUrl usually solve the problem 90% of the time.
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40 – Yet you can’t stay away.
You slow down at car accidents too don’t you? 
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It won’t allow any words at all.
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piss and nips must have triggered a red alert.
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44. KH,
I add to the rank smell !!!!
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Close all browsers and try again. that cleared it for me one both there and here – cookie screw ups.
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IP,
Wussing is super sensative to asian jokes. I told one myself and got banned.
He must be dating one.
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47 – Yeah but why hide with all the stupid names? (I mean it’s mildly amusing on occasion but it makes you look like a chump too, cause almost everyone knows it’s you, just post as yourself.)
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I can’t believe you got banned for that asian comment it wasn’t even remotely bad.
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Maybe his fing GF gets on the blog and does the banning.
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47. I have NO idea what you’re talking about dude
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52. “?” ?????????????????
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53.. Sure you don’t.
54… hahaha, I doubt it but it would explain alot.
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So what’s the story with RWY’s absence of late, did I miss anything?
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He’s OK, just taking a break
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56 – Pretty good
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58 – Roger, that’s what I figured, artist was asking just wanted to see if I missed anything.
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Talking babies reject dem health care bill
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Good one. The enemy uses the “children” for every collectivist piece of crap that comes down the road, why shouldn’t we use them to counter it??
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Love the babies.
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They are already in debt up to their depends.
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“This bill will kill babies and starve old people.”
This tired old dem mantra may work for us on this hell-care bill.
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57 – haha… good one.
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RP
I’m sorry to hear of your recent losses, my deepest sympathies
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We need a video of granny eating dog food out of the dumpster,because of obammacare.
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When and if the young bongheads find out they are on the hook for our health care, they will turn against obongo. Either that, or space out and not vote as they did in 2008.
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young bongheads ==boiled frogs
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Do not disparage my lance, it is a slayer of
maidensdragons.[72]
#58 For the children, we give them hundreds of thounsands of dollars in debt and tyranny…
“For their own good”….of course!
“Authoririanism – Automatic for the People” B. Hussain Obama
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#61 You too restrictive in who this bill will kill – its equal opportunity death!
Abortions for the unborn!
Rationing for the “unproductive” ie very young, elderly, and disabled!!
Hospice for the sick since treating them would not be “cost effective” ie the rest of us!
This is death by technocracy!
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From the ‘can it get any weirder’ dept — Man marries pillow.
His saving grace is no custody issues…..
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That’s not from The Onion, is it?
God Help Us All…
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This is death by technocracy! — WEC
And don’t you forget it! I have the IP address to your pacemaker.
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70 – Jees… you’d think he’d at least go for one of the love dolls or new talking robots or something etc.. odd.
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My lance, my lance so I can prance
on the way to the dance with my trusty lance
The maidens, the maidens waiting all a flutter
to hear my invite, I hope I don’t stutter
Surely they know that the pervert has reformed
I hope they are not aware the lance is deformed
Me and my lance arrive in my wagon
The maidens refused, I went home with a dragon
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KH, he’s Korean, what can I say?
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And the first prize goes to the finny one. Save that one for pithy night. Kudos.
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Some insight into the twisted, sick reaches of the petty authoririan/socialist mindset – their ultimate goal is to control everyone and crush indiviudal rights/liberty – this is truly their “utopia” regardless of effects on people/society:
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/03/08/rip-michael-foot-a-socialist-who-understood-what-socialism-was/
“Collectivists such as Foot and Harrington don’t relish the killing involved in war, but they love war’s domestic effects: centralization and the growth of government power. They know, as did the libertarian writer Randolph Bourne, that “war is the health of the state”—hence the endless search for a moral equivalent of war.
As Don Lavoie demonstrated in his book National Economic Planning: What Is Left?, modern concepts of economic planning—including “industrial policy” and other euphemisms—stem from the experiences of Germany, Great Britain, and the United States in planning their economies during World War I. The power of the central governments grew dramatically during that war and during World War II, and collectivists have pined for the glory days of the War Industries Board and the War Production Board ever since.
Walter Lippmann was an early critic of the collectivists’ fascination with war planning. He wrote, “A close analysis of its theory and direct observation of its practice will disclose that all collectivism. . . is military in method, in purpose, in spirit, and can be nothing else.” Lippman went on to explain why war—or a moral equivalent—is so congenial to collectivism:
Under the system of centralized control without constitutional checks and balances, the war spirit identifies dissent with treason, the pursuit of private happiness with slackerism and sabotage, and, on the other side, obedience with discipline, conformity with patriotism. Thus at one stroke war extinguishes the difficulties of planning, cutting out from under the individual any moral ground as well as any lawful ground on which he might resist the execution of the official plan.
National service, national industrial policy, national energy policy—all have the same essence, collectivism, and the same model, war.”
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KH, he’s Korean, what can I say?!~mutley
Therefor he would have no problem with the laundry I guess.
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WEC, your the second article I have stumbled across this week on the issue of liberals and the ‘moral equivalent of war’ premise. Must be a peaking trend on the subject.
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Battle scarred perhaps, but certainly not deformed.
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Transparency
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This is really off topic, but if you’re interested, the attached is an articel about our local Chevy dealer applying for a permit to sell used cars. This is a dealership that was shut down by the Obama take over of GM. What is not mentioned here is that this particular shop was a NON-UNION dealership. It was a high quality, reasonably priced place that I personally have bought 2 cars from and used the service department for 17 years. They were also a life blood of the local community in that they are a non-mall, free standing dealer in the center of town, surrounded by mom and pop shops.
Amazingly, the city council is coming to their rescue and waiving the $7K used car dealer fee to keep them in their community because they recognize the history and future sales tax revenue loss of this one important business. It’s a win/win. I just wanted to share it mostly for those of us that wonder why we still hang on in KA.
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/vista/article_ab3ff550-c4e4-5d17-85a2-3e39e5378ea3.html
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JM – good thing that clip was only 5 seconds. I don’t think I could have listened to her for longer than that.
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TLS – too small to bail for the feds.
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TUSCALOOSA, Ala. — U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts said Tuesday the scene at President Obama’s State of the Union address was “very troubling” and the annual speech has “degenerated to a political pep rally.”
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TLS, I hope they get the waiver.
But I find it typical with the Pols. Its not what is best for the community — its always about the sales and use taxes they can stick their mouths into. That is why I have said for years that the old adage ‘government should be run like a business’ is wrong. If you run govt like a business then any tax is viable and viewed as revenue regardless of the purpose of the tax. In business you maximize gross revenues as much as possible. Applied to govt that means tax everything.
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DrD – I agree, the gov’t has an incentive to tax because it is their income. I guess that’s why I was so surprised that they were willing to let ANY of it go. It really is a decision that is best for the city pocket, because there will be no major draw for the mom and pop shops that also generate taxes. We just live in a time where gov’t usually doesn’t seem to be able to make the connection.
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#85 I saw that. He also said he isn’t sure why the justices attend the SOTU since it has become a political event. Ouch!
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I wish them the best, TLS. I have heard similar stories of dealerships losing out to underperforming dealers in the same town. Sad.
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That seems to be the theme these days…..complete disconnect.
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Way OT.
Anybody own a Scion? Opinions for/against?
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My father in law does and he adores it (he has the XB). I have several friends who have them and love them. My Hubs wanted one but it isn’t too practical for our family. He needs a truck since I have an suv.
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JM, thx. SO is due a new vehicle here soon and the Scion seems to be what she likes.
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He needs a truck since I have an suv.
My husband’s is bigger too
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91 – I almost bought tc one, GF of mine bought one last year (tc as well), cheap, sporty, she loves it.
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The XB is cute and has plenty of room in it, I like the older ones better than the new ones with the lower profile.
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#94 My suv is bigger than his truck, but that is temporary. He is looking at bigger trucks right now since our credit cards are “this close” to being paid off. His pickup has 320k, but it carries the bikes which is why one of us has to have a truck. The next truck needs to be able to handle a camper since that is our next goal. People seem to be ditching their campers left and right. Finding them cheap.
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#97 well that makes more sense. I just assumed it was the same “rig” envy that goes on in our house.
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On Greta tonight – Altmire of PA sound like he is a definite switch from NO to YES….
He is praising the glories of the Senate bill and aping Obama talking points on how “R ideas are in the Senate bill”…blah, blah – I am going to sell you out….
Call this Scum NOW and tell them their will be heck to pay if he turns on us!
Looks like the Rats are cracking under the pressure….
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XB.. uhh I can’t stand those box looking models of cars, but to each there own.
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99 – He didn’t say that, he gave the wishy washy I’m waiting for better language excuse so he doesn’t have to take chit for the next number of untold days.
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#100 The inside is very roomy though. You know what is an ugly boxy vehicle? The Mercedes suv. Have you seen it? Blech.
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For the good Dr. –
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100309/wr_nm/us_broadband_fcc_wireless
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#98 lol
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102 – I hate all the blocky cars, on a full on truck or like large suv or something it is what it is though, friend of mine drives one and I give her chit every time I see her she too thinks it’s a ‘cute’ look, I just shake my head and order the first round.
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Well if we go Scion it probably will be either the xA or xD.
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98 – *cough*… no such thing exists.
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#103 Because broadband is a right! A right I tell you!
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#103 So what happens if they give all the low income/minority households free internet and they log onto the “alternative” media? Are they banned from Drudge as well?
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KH, the weirdest thing on the road is that blasted ‘Cube’. It looks like something out of a Andy Warhol painting after a bad acid trip.
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108 – A new human right… if you listen to the euro scum (that was a news item yesterday)
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#106 My Dad has an XA…..he should be online soon I think.
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#109 interesting….
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#107 If I bought the biggest 4X4 available on the market, my husband would come home tomorrow in a Peterbilt.
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Oh my gosh the cube is hideous!
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109 – Not exactly, they just can’t get there nation worker id card renewed if they have visited the site, you see they still have the ‘choice’.
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TLS
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114 – LOL Deep issues there maybe. I suggest a remedy of morning… never mind.
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#100 Of course he wants to sound all wishy-washy and “thoughtful” so he pisses the least amount of people off when he sells out….
But estolling “positive points” that aping WH talking points are what committed Yes votes do….
Its exactly the way Lincoln, Landeriu, and Nelson did right before they came public with their sellouts….
They try to pave the way with “prejustification”…..trust me, of course he isnt going to say yes on Greta, but he is a committed YES for now…
The only way he jumps to NO is if this comes apart – a bit of hedging so he can bail if needed….
But chalk him as yes for now
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Knight, actually my blogging buddy and I agitated that one of the white bands off the old TV spectrum be dedicated for that purpose. Spread spectrum, 5w max power. Our only difference was the FCC allocated the band, that’s it. The folks put up the access points either as a good neighbor thing or possibly as a small community based service. This kind of thing has taken off in many areas like Brazil and Argentina.
The FCC will screw this one up too.
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120… yeah I know what you mean, sort of the white-space network thing, exactly everything the FCC touches you can almost always bet will turn to chit.
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119 – No not chalking anyone up anywhere… Till there is vote date announced doesn’t much matter.
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TLS, 114. I was at the FT Stock Show a month ago. They had the Peterbilt 4 door droopback tricked out for towing. Huge darn thing. Only $225k.
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Well another conservative pundint gets the point – finally:
http://article.nationalreview.com/427277/why-democrats-dont-care-about-97-trillion-in-debt/dennis-prager?page=2
“I used to believe that the Left and the Right had similar goals for America, that they just differed in the means they wanted to use to get there. I was mistaken. The Left has a very different vision of America than those who hold to America’s founding values, most especially individualism and small government. Their vision is one in which a once-in-a-lifetime chance to establish a giant welfare state dominated by the Left is worth any price — even America’s steep financial decline.”
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Oh is that all.
The lohan suing e-trade people for that really funny commercial has me cracking up at the level of stupidity, what lawyer would take such a suit to court, gonna be laughed out and fined.
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Only $225k.
That’s why I don’t buy a bigger truck
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Oh gosh… Browns got a book deal, due out in early 2011.
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#122 True, he could bail if CrappyCare goes bad….
But I have heard the routine before….
If they start “selling” CrappyCare using the WH talkin’ pts they are onboard if push comes to shove…..no, I dont expect his type of closet authoririan to have the guts to say this publically….
He wants to socialize us but save his precious lil chunck of power too I am sure….
But I expect if the vote comes he is a yes….
If “the big beeeeccchh” and Obama cant get 216 their wont ever be a vote so I am sure this scum will be “unsure” forever….
In fact, being “unsure” and having no vote is the best outcome for these types as they can both lie to the base and lie to the GE voters too….
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#125 I almost spit my coffee all over the screen this morning when I read that. I would love to call that incredibly narcissistic, but if I saw the same commercial and the girl was named Mary, I would not think they were talking about me because I don’t think of myself as a milkaholic. That for her is very telling. You know? Is this a self esteem issue? Maybe….but then again….it isn’t like agents are exactly banging down her door these days with million dollar scripts…
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129 – lol yeah you know if she shut up for a year she might get to act again.
milka-wha…!!!
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Mark down 2007 as a critical year. That is the year gross revenues from video games exceeded gross revenues from all films made by Hollyweird. The days of the big buck megadeals for actors and actresses is drawing to a close. Another decade and you probably won’t be able to tell the difference between the real actor and the avatar actor it will be so lifelike.
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What I want to know is if the GOP is smart enough to get in front of any kubaki “fix” to abortion language “boxcar” or WETF they call it…
They dont need to enable the shakles and destruction of Govt run HC by voting “yes” as they did on the original Stupak amendment…
They need to get out front of this one and say “its a trick, their will be govt funding of abortion, we will vote present”….
At least make the Democrats own-it in the entirety….
Is nobody in the GOP House thinking ahead on this?
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131- Probably more then a decade… but it’s coming for sure.
On that note I’m out for the evening. May tomorrow bring a slow news day.
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I hope that actors continue to make 20mil a picture for years to come. That way, I will respect their political opinion. Because anyone making that kind of money surely knows more than you and I about what is best for us. Especially Matt Damon. That guy knows what he is talking about.
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CrappyCare MUST be defeated NOW:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/03/defeat_vs_repeal.html
“There’s a temptation to say: Let the Democrats pass their bill. Let them own health care. Let them start “bending the cost curve” and rationing access to health care. Let them take over the evil insurance companies and have government gatekeepers be the ones to deny care. Then we’ll throw the Democrats out of office and repeal the bill and it will be morning in America again.
There are a number of reasons why the outcome of Obamacare would be a lot less enjoyable than this rosy scenario.
First of all, in the period between passage and repeal, many damaging events will have taken place. Taxes will have gone up. Many employers will have terminated their health plans and accepted a tax that costs them less than their employee health plan. Seniors will have lost their Medicare Advantage. Doctors will have retired rather than deal with the hassle of Obamacare. Already the curtain will have rung up on a meaner, nastier America.
And we know today what that looks like. It looks like Greece”
The odds are greatly stacked against any kind of successful repeal – kill this NOW!
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“Under government like that, you can’t be an independent soul. You have to work for the government, join a union, pay your dues to the local party boss. Otherwise, you will get run over. The glory of America is that most of the time, it has avoided this misery.
Governments resort to this sort of thuggery because the political process rewards thuggery. Politicians get elected on the strength of glorious promises; they get reelected on the weight of loot acquired for their constituents. So long as people want loot from politicians, politics will be a squalid business of taxing, spending, borrowing, default, and the blame game.
The United States was founded in another time. It was a time when people still recoiled from the abuses of the absolute monarchs. Political leaders saw the damage that big government could do, and they wanted to build a nation that was independent and free. They thought that government should be limited, and that it should have “enumerated powers,” meaning that its powers should be limited to those enumerated in the Constitution.
The practice of limited government encourages a goodly circle of social virtue, as people find that they must serve their fellow men and women in economic goods and services to gain prosperity and distinction. The practice of big government encourages a vicious cycle of rent-seeking, as people find that the only way to get on is to support a politician and agitate for a subsidy or a bailout.”
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Here is a great example of statists “holding fast”:
http://www.redstate.com/susananne/2010/03/10/democrat-rep-dale-kildee-flips-vote-to-yes-on-healthcare/
“Democrat Rep. Dale Kildee Flips Vote to “Yes” on Healthcare
Posted by SusanAnne Hiller (Profile)
Wednesday, March 10th at 12:30AM EST
2 Comments
Roll Call is reporting:
Rep. Dale Kildee (D-MI), a key supporter of Rep. Bart Stupak’s (D-Mich.) anti-abortion language intended for the health care bill, said Tuesday night that he’s satisfied the Senate abortion language prohibits federal funding of abortions and will likely vote for the bill.
“I think the Senate language keeps the purpose of the Hyde amendment,” Kildee told reporters. “I’ll probably vote for it.”
House Democratic leadership aides have predicted that they could perhaps cut the losses from Stupak’s coalition to a handful instead of the 10 or more Members he says will vote to bring down the Senate health care bill unless their demands are met.”