Texas and Immigration

2010 April 30
by drdog09

Texas is unique in many ways. Second largest State in the union. The Lone Star may be flown equal to the Stars and Stripes. The only State to be admitted by treaty. But Texas is unique on the immigration front as well.

Americans, Texians as they were to become known were not alone in their love of the region. The Tejano, the indigenous Mexican population were also in the region as well. By all accounts the situation was a peaceful one as the land that was being offered by the Mexican Governemnt was open range. Range disputes were to come later in Texas history.

When the Texas Independence erupted the Tejano was there with the Texians. Tejano’s fought at the Alamo with Travis. Tejano were present at the capture of Goliad, Battle of Concepcion and the battle of San Jacinto.

After independence Tejano were represented in the Republics legislature. Sadly to be displaced over time. Only recently have Mexican-Americans reasserted their political presence.

The point of all this history? Due to Texas’s origins taking a them vs us political stance is fraught with some peril. The Hispanic one might berate quite possibly could trace his or her family tree to standing shoulder to shoulder with Sam Houston. A fact that does not go unnoticed in this State. Which brings some interesting divisions.

Hispanic vs black. There is a certain undercurrent of johnny come lately between the groups. The Hispanics observing first rights. Men like councilman Price (black) agitating like he does does not help the situation. With numerical superiority in many counties the Hispanic community asserts itself in those situations.

Hispanic vs Hispanic. That too. Sort of like the ‘old money, new money’ schism. Will they close ranks? You bet. Does not mean that the established Hispanic community wants aliens, MS13 and other gang bangers around.

Hispanic vs White. Mixed bag. Great deal of tension in the urban areas. Many cities the police are dominantly white. Smaller communities with long established everyone knows everyone its less of an issue. Whites in Texas are the major-minority in the State.

Bottom line. Texas politically is less likely to be full bore radical on immigration. Will an Arizona like law pass in Texas? Yes. But probably a bit more subtle with more empowerment of local officials to deal with sanitation and occupancy laws and closure of sanctuary cities provisions.

31 Responses leave one →
  1. 2010 April 29 6:46 pm
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    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Why then, should any of this affect the policy regarding illegals? Enforce the laws like everywhere else……what the ethnic makeup of the various areas are, should not matter.

  2. 2010 April 30 11:57 am
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    I hope this guy has good bodyguards when he cruises the hood

  3. 2010 April 30 11:58 am
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    justrand permalink

    excellent thread, drdog

    and a big “Amen!” to rwy’s comment!

    If we cannot as a nation have BORDERS, and laws which (a) enforce those borders and (b) allow for legal crossing of them with the intent to become part of our nation…then we are NOT a nation

    And if we’re NOT going to be a nation, then so be it…let’s hurry up and make THAT happen.

    But the selective enforcement (or not) of laws means the laws are BOGUS to begin with.

  4. 2010 April 30 12:12 pm
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    More awful economic news today. Man, it’s getting worse!

  5. 2010 April 30 12:34 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    rwy, here is my response as promised.

    Any difference in enforcement? No. But as was pointed out in a previous thread about Perry, the how is going to be different. In a State where the culture has been shoulder to shoulder for both Whites and Hispanics some provisions won’t fly. For example, inquiry for immigration status for a routine traffic stop as is provided for in AZ probably won’t muster here. So the alternative is, should an officer deem it necessary to hand cuff you, the immigration inquiry begins at that point. Which for Texas usually means the person in question is considered to have committed a class II misdemeanor or worse.

    There is also the political consideration of passing such a law. In a State where Whites are the major minority at 49% of the population requires support from other ethnic groups. The Blacks in this State are hopelessly represented by the Looney Left types. There will be no help there. So to carry the day one will have to turn to the Hispanic community to carry the bill over the top. Perry knows this. It can be done too, but the appeal is going to have to be one of public safety an a appeal to old values.

    So the subtleties are —

    * Arrest will trigger the status inquiry not routine stops.
    * Local communities will be given greater enforcement powers for site occupancy and public safety laws to prevent 20 people to a room type situations.
    * More local border enforcement to prevent entry.
    * Eliminate sanctuary cities like Houston by withholding State funds sharing.

    Just my take….

  6. 2010 April 30 12:36 pm
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    justrand permalink

    Eph, you are soooooooooo misinformed!

    Our Dear Leader responded to the news that the GDP went from an annualized rate of 5.7% last quarter to 3.2% now by saying:

    After the single biggest economic crisis in our lifetimes, we’re heading in the right direction. We’re moving forward. Our economy is stronger — that economic heartbeat is growing stronger.”

    Please re-calibrate your gauges accordingly! Less is more. Worse is better. Down is up.

    happy to help! 🙂

  7. 2010 April 30 12:47 pm
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    justrand permalink

    drdog, how about an appeal to AMERICA?? Would that work?

    I happen to be of European descent…i.e., I’m Caucasian. Big whup. I’m an AMERICAN. I don’t want Caucasians breaking into my country any more than I want anybody else doing so!

    I want people standing shoulder to shoulder with me of ALL colors, creeds, religions, genders and sexual orientations (and any other sub-group I missed)…as long as they put AMERICA first they’re my friend!

    Or, if America dissolves, then whatever territory we DO carve out I want people in THAT territory who are willing to defend it! Same rules apply.

    Your points in re. Texas are excellent…I just hope folks can look past their OWN skin color and ancestry, and pull together. Has anyone in Texas made THAT appeal to the “Latinos”???

  8. 2010 April 30 12:55 pm
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    WH press release soon: Happy times are here again.

  9. 2010 April 30 1:07 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    In the last Governor’s race Kiki Friedman the independent went with that line of reasoning. It resonated with a lot of people Hispanics included. But not enough, he finished dead last. But I have to tell ya, Texas is like what the US must have thought like before the Civil War — State first, then country. One still gets a lot of “You know around these parts Son, we just don’t do that kind of s@#$.”

    A ‘Do it for America’ attitude exists. Enlistments in the Services from Texas have been high among all groups. So its possible. But I think it is colored somewhat by ‘what in it for us as well?’. Ironically Katrina gave Texans a taste of what an invasion could look like. The great majority of NO displaced persons ended up in places like Houston, Bay City, etc. But it did make many, including Pols, wonder what to do if we had 300k non-friendly types pour across the border.

  10. 2010 April 30 1:08 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    KH, does that include Archie Bunker’s arm chair and piano? We already have the ‘meat head’ in the Oval Office.

  11. 2010 April 30 2:08 pm
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    A former officer in Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency who has close links to terror groups has been found dead, apparently executed by a Taliban-linked group.

    A group calling itself the “Asian Tigers” killed Khalid Khawaja, a former Squadron Commander in the Air Force, and dumped his bullet-ridden body in Taliban-controlled North Waziristan.

    Read more: http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2010/04/former_isi_officer_e.php#ixzz0mcUx6WTK
    —-

    A little blue on blue is never bad.

  12. 2010 April 30 2:29 pm
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  13. 2010 April 30 2:42 pm
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    DOW -160

    Soros must be on vaction

  14. 2010 April 30 2:53 pm
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    perry===pompadour rino

  15. 2010 April 30 3:33 pm
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    IP,

    Perry’s problem : Just b/c you are a religious man does not make you a conservative

  16. 2010 April 30 3:39 pm
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    Perry’s problem~~Trying to pander to the large “latino” population who won’t vote for him anyway. He talks a good game about states rights, but refuses to implement the same. Another stuffed shirt pretty boy phony.

  17. 2010 April 30 3:42 pm
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  18. 2010 April 30 3:54 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    16,

    Governor’s race aside, Perry knows if he wants to get any sort of AZ type law passed he has to get 10-15% of the Hispanic legislators to say yes. That’s the political reality here.

  19. 2010 April 30 4:09 pm
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    Perry knows if he wants to get any sort of AZ type law passed he has to get 10-15% of the Hispanic legislators to say yes.
    canine gekko

    He doesn’t want to pass any such law.

  20. 2010 April 30 4:15 pm
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    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Now that Perry’s beaten KBH, he is ready to return to his pre-election form as The Chief Rhino of the South.

    Charlie Crist can only gape in admiration.

  21. 2010 April 30 4:16 pm
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    rightwingyahoo permalink

    Better look out Rick, Lindsay and Saxby are gunning for your title.

  22. 2010 April 30 4:34 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    IP,

    He might not, Perry I mean. He might even be able to scuttle it. But I suspect it will be debated. Moves a foot to introduce such a bill.

  23. 2010 April 30 4:35 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    Heh, Crist. He is going to be tail in charlie on the ballot for Senator. His name will be at the bottom of the list of 8 contenders. We all know how challenged Florida voters are with balloting…..

    Might as well call Crist, Butterfly ByeBye Boy.

  24. 2010 April 30 5:06 pm
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    justrand permalink

    waaaaay O/t…but if ya need to laugh go read some of these:

    http://www.humor-laughter.com/Physician-humor.html

    cheers!

  25. 2010 April 30 6:10 pm
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    RepublicanPundit permalink

    A little humor:

    And God Created Tennessee

    God was missing for six days. Eventually, Michael, the archangel, found him, resting on the seventh day.

    He inquired, “Where have you been?”

    God smiled deeply and proudly pointed downwards through the clouds, “Look, Michael. Look what I’ve made.”

    Archangel Michael looked puzzled, and said, “What is it?”

    “It’s a planet,” replied God, and I’ve put life on it. I’m going to call it Earth and it’s going to be a place of Balance.”

    “Balance?” inquired Michael, “I’m still confused.”

    God explained, pointing to different parts of Earth. “For example, northern Europe will be a place of great opportunity and wealth, while southern Europe is going to be poor. Over here I’ve placed a continent of white people, and over there is a continent of black people. Balance in all things.”

    God continued pointing to different countries. “This one will be extremely hot, while this one will be very cold and covered in ice.”

    The Archangel , impressed by God’s work, then pointed to a land area and said, “What’s that one?”

    “That’s Tennessee , the most glorious place on earth. There are beautiful mountains, rivers and streams, lakes, forests, hills, and plains. The people from Tennessee are going to be handsome, modest, intelligent, and humorous, and they are going to travel the world. They will be extremely sociable, hardworking, high achieving, carriers of peace, and producers of good things.”

    Michael gasped in wonder and admiration, but then asked, “But what about balance, God? You said there would be balance.”

    God smiled, “Not very far from Tennessee is Washington, DC . Wait ’till you see the idiots I put there.”

  26. 2010 April 30 6:26 pm
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    gnqanq permalink

    RP – excellent.

  27. 2010 April 30 6:28 pm
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    RepublicanPundit permalink

    JR, your 24. Funny

  28. 2010 April 30 6:33 pm
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    Arizona deputy shot in stomach during routine traffic stop
    Posted by Kim Priestap

    Published: April 30, 2010 – 8:59 PM An Arizona deputy pulled over a vehicle on the highway and as he approached the car, the suspect shot the deputy in the stomach. According to this 12News report, the suspect was believed to be an illegal immigrant:

    A Pinal County Sheriff’s deputy was shot in the stomach Friday after a traffic stop on Interstate 8, according sheriff’s officials.

    Authorities said the deputy was shot by a suspected undocumented immigrant and other suspects were being sought.

    The deputy apparently pulled over a vehicle on Interstate 8 near Arizona 84 at about 4:30 p.m. Friday. When the deputy approached the vehicle, he was shot in the stomach, said Lt. Tamatha Villar, spokesperson for the Pinal County Sheriff’s Office.

    The website is living streaming the Sky 12 news report from over the crime scene.

  29. 2010 April 30 6:42 pm
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    justrand permalink

    just watched Glenn Beck tonight…AWESOME show on Samuel Adams!!!

    I am a history NUT, and yet knew next to nothing about Samuel Adams. I will be buying his history this weekend and I will learn about this man.

    Beck is educating America. God bless him.

  30. 2010 April 30 6:50 pm
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    RepublicanPundit permalink

    JR, He is educating the part of America which is capable of being educated, but a huge percentage of America is not educatible, unfortunately. Those are the ones who voted for Obama with no thought of who he actually was. 🙁

  31. 2010 April 30 6:52 pm
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    justrand permalink

    RP, Obama is educating those people…see my new thread! 🙂

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