Freidman Again…

2010 September 26
by drdog09

Thomas Freidman is at it again. This time its electric cars in his latest op-ed. —

… and, finally, Beijing just announced that it was providing $15 billion in seed money for the country’s leading auto and battery companies to create an electric car industry, starting in 20 pilot cities. In essence, China Inc. just named its dream team of 16-state-owned enterprises to move China off oil and into the next industrial growth engine: electric cars.

Read the whole thing. From a technology electric vehicles are the right technology choice. The problem is they still are not ready for prime time. But here are some of the pieces he misses —

  • Where’s the prime mover source Tom? All those electorons you dump in the battery have to come from somewhere. Nukes? Well your team has been saying no for 40 years. Solar? Land use restrictions. Wind? The infrastructure costs of stringing power lines to where the juice is needed convinced Pickens to give up the idea.
  • The current technology lacks the range that a typical family expects from a vehicle. Not only that but the recharge times are hours not minutes.
  • Cost is crazy. $37k for an electric? That puts it at the lower end of the luxury car class. Might as well pop for a low end Mercedes diesel.
  • Last. The Chins would love you to do a deal to build electrics. Have you happened to look at who owns the larger chunks of the Bolivian Lithium mines? Or who is the largest source of rare earth materials? If you notice it has yellow stars on a red field you got a clue.

Tom, the fact is the battery technology is not mature enough for real world use. The raw material sources trade one set of despots for another gaining us nothing geo-strategically. So my suggestion to you, is unless you can get another 100 nukes approved and built. Design a battery that can go 300 miles and recharge in 10min. Deploy the infrastructure for the recharging systems; then sit down and be quiet.

42 Responses leave one →
  1. 2010 September 26 5:23 pm
    mpthompson permalink

    Here in California we have liberals screaming how we need to reduce electricity consumption. Um yeah, electric cars are just the ticket for that numb nuts.

  2. 2010 September 26 5:28 pm
    mpthompson permalink

    BTW, I just bought a 5 to 10 year supply of common incandescent light bulbs as they will no longer be for sale soon here in California. I may even buy more as they may be pretty good contraband to barter with in a few years after the collapse.

    Is the light bulb ban something happening nationally? In any case, my hope is that by the time I run out that LED technology will have evolved to being cheap and ubiquitous. CFLs drive me nuts and I’ll burn candles or even whale blubber before I use them.

  3. 2010 September 26 5:40 pm
    justrand permalink

    mpt…we’re going to stock up soon as well. we have LOTS of dimmer switches in our house, and CFLs don’t freaking work! Apparently there is a new “dimmable” version…but it is going to be VASTLY more expensive!

    Of course the drawback to standard light bulbs is that they don’t contain mercury and other pollutants, so they won’t poison us like CFLs. Oh wait…

  4. 2010 September 26 5:42 pm
    bc3b permalink

    About a dozen years ago I worked for one of Saturn’s marketing agencies and got the chance to drive the EV1 (GM’s electric car of the late 1990s) It was nicely styled and had decent acceleration. Unfortunately its range was extremely limited and it had little interior or storage space. Not much has changed since that time.

  5. 2010 September 26 5:48 pm
    drdog09 permalink


    I can still get incd’s at Leows and HD here in DFW. Been stocking up myself. Tho I doubt I have a 10yr supply yet….

    Over the long haul, I am hoping the LED’s will replace the CFL’s. Safer, no mercury and longer lived.

  6. 2010 September 26 6:13 pm

    NBC showing tonight’s football score in spanish. LOL

  7. 2010 September 26 6:33 pm
    justrand permalink

    it’s currently 14 – 7 in English.

    but in Spanish that’s 14 – 7.

  8. 2010 September 26 6:57 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    Just can not wait until these environmental idiots in the north take their electric cars out in the winter time. When they come out and try to start them and they go “errrr”. And then wonder why they wont start.

  9. 2010 September 26 7:10 pm
    TLS permalink

    #6 Our local station finally pointed out that this is spanish heritage month. So I wonder if Mexico is going to have REAL Spanish Heritage month and honor all the crap they got from Spain, like Spanish. Oh yeah, we’re the only country that conquered land and has to pay reparation. What was I thinking…..

  10. 2010 September 26 7:13 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    TLS – next month Mexico is going to have “Be more like Gringo Month”.

  11. 2010 September 26 7:21 pm

    I’m still predicting Boxer and Brown wins. The GOP “wave” will not reach the west coast.

  12. 2010 September 26 7:28 pm
    justrand permalink

    Eph…it’s too soon to tell.

    the real problem is the Dems actually ADMITTING they are about to unleash every sleazy allegation they can against EVERY Republican.

    THIS is when having the lapdog media on your lap pays off. They will print EVERY allegation as TRUTH!…and then print retractions AFTER the election!

    How much effect this avalanche of bullshit will have I don’t know. But it is about to start!

  13. 2010 September 26 7:29 pm
    JustMary permalink

    #11 I do think Brown will win, yes, but not Boxer. People really do hate her, irrespective of party.

  14. 2010 September 26 7:30 pm
    TLS permalink

    TLS – next month Mexico is going to have “Be more like Gringo Month”.

    Is that when they all register and exercise the gringo right to vote?!?

  15. 2010 September 26 7:30 pm
    JustMary permalink

    *Mary wonders aloud if senatorma’ is taken.* LOL

  16. 2010 September 26 7:33 pm
    justrand permalink

    how about “” ???

  17. 2010 September 26 7:42 pm
    JustMary permalink

    #16 I think it is plenty implied with my site suggestion. 😆

  18. 2010 September 26 8:10 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Well we had a Day Without A Mexican right?

    We ought to try this on for size — A Day Without a Gringo.

    Anybody that uses domestic hired help just dismisses them that day. We don’t show up for work and we mow our own yard, clean our own clothes, etc. See how the Aliens like that tone.

  19. 2010 September 26 8:16 pm
    mulletover permalink

    If healthcare polls in California like it does across the rest of the country, Fiorina ought to pound the crap out of Boxer on that issue and the stimulus.

    Forget cap and trade out there.

    The senator-ma’am stuff is catchy, but it is a non-starter in my view. It’s just not a serious issue relative to the lives of people.

  20. 2010 September 26 8:20 pm
    bc3b permalink

    I hope Fiorina wins. I couldn’t care less about Whitman. Kalifornia is probably beyond salvation. Isn’t it better to have a Dem steering the ship when it hits an iceberg?

    Kalifornia actually makes Michigan look good (by comparison).

  21. 2010 September 26 8:22 pm

    Isn’t it better to have a Dem steering the ship when it hits an iceberg?


  22. 2010 September 26 8:33 pm
    mulletover permalink

    California has already hit the iceberg. It’s dead in the water now, and taking on water. The only question is does she go down by the bow or stern.

  23. 2010 September 26 8:47 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Mullet –

    Congrats on going 8-0 in college games this week.

  24. 2010 September 26 8:48 pm
    JustMary permalink

    #18 Each and every single person I talked to that day said joyfully “EVERY DAY should be a day without a Mexican”. NO traffic to speak of, and the accident rate that day was drastically lower. It was heaven for commuters. Not one business ran any less efficiently. Imagine the unemployment rate of legal citizens if every day was so awesome. A day without actual societal contributors though, that would be rough. A day without a Gringo? THAT would be interesting.

  25. 2010 September 26 8:48 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    mullet – is it a he, she or it?

  26. 2010 September 26 8:49 pm
    JustMary permalink

    How much has Meg spent on her campaign so far? Anyone know?

  27. 2010 September 26 9:22 pm


  28. 2010 September 26 9:23 pm

    22 Mull,

    If CA were truly dead, then Mary would already be living in AZ along side me.

    She aint quite dead yet!

    After Brown and Boxer win she will be though

  29. 2010 September 26 9:25 pm

    …and it will be Boxer and Murray winning that keeps the Senate in DEM hands too.

  30. 2010 September 26 9:29 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Tough week in the NFL. Most of us are struggling to try to hit 4-4 (even Eph).

  31. 2010 September 26 9:31 pm

    19 mull,

    What about the unemployment rate in CA? That should be topic #1 for Carly.

  32. 2010 September 26 9:32 pm

    30. that means Joy Behar is still in 1st place.

    I’ll remind everyone of that tomorrow!!!!


  33. 2010 September 26 9:32 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Here’s a shocker. I read that Texas lost more jobs than Kalifornia last month.

  34. 2010 September 26 9:39 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Eph –

    Most of us have 3 wins going into tomorrow night’s game. TLS already has 5. If the Bears win she will pick up 3 games on you. Incidentally TLS selected the games this week.

  35. 2010 September 26 9:46 pm
    JustMary permalink

    #33 Kind of how it would be for a dying person who is bleeding out. Eventually, the blood loss slows to a trickle, but it doesn’t mean there was a recovery, just means they have less blood to lose now.

  36. 2010 September 26 9:46 pm

    only question is does she go down by the bow or stern

    fishy one

    It goes down on itself.

  37. 2010 September 26 9:51 pm
    JustMary permalink

    #28 What are housing prices in your area, and neighborhood demographic? Population density? Jobs? We will be actively looking to move after our oldest graduates HS this year. So far we are looking at McKinney, TX and Minden, NV, but are gonna take a peek at parts of AZ as well.

  38. 2010 September 26 10:29 pm
    drdog09 permalink


    You looking to ‘retire’ or does SO continue to work after the move?

  39. 2010 September 27 7:10 am


    Add Gilbert/Chandler, AZ to your list too

  40. 2010 September 27 7:10 am


    Mart???? LOL

  41. 2010 September 27 9:16 am
    JustMary permalink

    #38 Too young to retire, so it has to be a place where he can transfer. That does limit us.

  42. 2010 September 27 9:02 pm

    Great response Dr.

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