Obama Mulls End of Child & Mortgage Tax Credits

2010 October 25
by bc3b

Obama not only seems to have a “death wish” for his Presidency, but also seems intent in playing into Sarah Palin’s hand. For the past two weeks Palin’s key talking points have been the importance of this election for “little guy” and standing up for the “little guy.” Nothing would drive a stake through the heart of middle class Americans like losing tax credits for their children and tax deductions for their mortgages to fund Obama’s Utopian dreams. If you think homes have lost value now, you haven’t seen anything compared to a day when mortgages were no longer tax deductible.

Sacrosanct tax breaks, including deductions on mortgage interest, remain on the table just weeks before the deficit commission issues recommendations on policies to pare back with the aim of balancing the budget by 2015.

The tax benefits are hugely popular with the public but they have drawn the panel’s focus, in part because the White House has said these and other breaks cost the government about $1 trillion a year.

At stake, in addition to the mortgage-interest deductions, are child tax credits and the ability of employees to pay their portion of their health-insurance tab with pretax dollars. Commission officials are expected to look at preserving these breaks but at a lower level, according to people familiar with the matter.

The officials are also looking at potential cuts to defense spending and a freeze on domestic discretionary spending. It is unclear if the 18-member panel will be able to reach an agreement on any of the items by a Dec. 1 deadline.

Even if they do reach an agreement, any curbs on current tax breaks would likely face tough sledding in Congress. The banking and real-estate lobbies have fiercely rebuffed efforts to rescind the mortgage-interest deduction in the past.

Still, officials have found there aren’t any easy ways to balance the budget, and they are expected to steer clear of more polarizing issues like Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and a broad rewrite of the tax code in their short-term recommendations. The panel could still make long-term recommendations to change these issues, but they would be less concrete.

“My concern is that the talk of tax expenditures is couched as ‘tax reform,’ but it’s not tax reform,” said Alison Fraser, director of the Thomas A. Roe Institute for Economic Policy Studies at the conservative Heritage Foundation. “It’s simply a revenue-raising exercise.”

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Hat tip: The Wall Street Journal

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            And they call me the idiot?

93 Responses leave one →
  1. 2010 October 25 3:27 pm
    bc3b permalink

    I disagree with those of you who accuse Barack Obama of being a divider. He is doing a magnificent job of uniting people … against him.

    It all boils down to “stop the spending Stupid.”

  2. 2010 October 25 3:36 pm
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    This kind of Authoriran/elitest crap galls me till I puke:

    “the White House has said these and other breaks cost the government about $1 trillion a year”

    Yeah, as if they were Feudal Lords of the Manor and have first claim to everything us serfs toil to produce!

    They have first claim to what we earn and decide what is “fair” for us to keep……and just keeping what we rightly earn is “costing” them revenue!

    F&*K you – you Statist B%^&*%*d!

  3. 2010 October 25 3:37 pm
    justrand permalink

    today he’s trying to unite Latinos around the splendid theme: ‘We’re gonna punish our enemies

    you & I are The Enemy, of course.

    F**K this putz!

  4. 2010 October 25 3:39 pm
    retlaw permalink


    “First Lady’s dress designer can’t pay rent! ”

    Maybe the rent was (in the words of the 3rd party candidate for NY governor)

    “too DAMN high!!!

  5. 2010 October 25 3:42 pm
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #3 The reality is that anyone who works and produces things that other humans need and want in the real world in reality ie anyone who works in the private sector!

    If you arent an absolute welfare case (moocher) or govt employee (looter) who have to use force/coresion to take away from your fellow human to survive, I dont care if your Black, brown, pink, Martian, gay, straight, etc your a fool who is cutting your own throat!!!

    Unfortunately, when your fed a steady does of racial hatred its hard to think logically….

    But yeah, the Dear Leader of the Statist Regime can go to……fill in the blank

  6. 2010 October 25 3:44 pm

    The extra yardage to cover her big butt is causing cost overuns.

  7. 2010 October 25 3:47 pm
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #6 The technical term in the “Hood” Bro is “Ghetto Booty”……according to the Ebonics I was taught in govt schools is a perfectly socially acceptable description

  8. 2010 October 25 3:49 pm
    bc3b permalink

    I have never seen a President that was so anti-middle class … not Clinton, not Carter, no one.

  9. 2010 October 25 3:51 pm
    TLS permalink

    #4 Or perhaps it is because she fits perfectly into the circle of people the Obamas surround themselves with, who are just incredibly poor at understanding finance.

  10. 2010 October 25 3:52 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    From the Hill —

    “Democrats haven’t necessarily gotten the credit they’re due for the work they’ve done the last two years, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said. ”

    Well I got news for you sweet cheeks, on Nov. 3rd you will.

  11. 2010 October 25 3:52 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    TLS, or maybe Geithner does her taxes….

  12. 2010 October 25 3:53 pm
    Colorado KnightOwl permalink

    and it will only get worse….This guy will not stop until he has destroyed the middle class….He wants a Ruling Class and a Serf class….all of us “bitter clingers” will only be allowed in the Serf class

  13. 2010 October 25 3:54 pm
    TLS permalink

    #11 LOL! Exactly.

  14. 2010 October 25 3:57 pm

    Remember the froggy revolution. ~~

  15. 2010 October 25 3:59 pm
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #10 That statement from the deranged Authoriran BEEECCCH from San Fran is the empitomy of the Statist mindset….

    She thinks that Congress is up there to bring about Utopia on earth via use of government force!

    Not only is that a loser in the sense of practical policy since freedom and free markets bring better overall material and social results for us all….

    But she has ZERO clue what the purpose of government is to begin with ie simply protecting our Consitution rights again all enemies (forigen and domestic) who seek to violate them….

    NO CLUE has this BEEECCHHHH – Zip, Zero, NONE

    But she is the typical Statist in that the Solution to every ill in the World is Interventionist/Activist use of government power/force….

  16. 2010 October 25 4:01 pm
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #12 Some of us “Serfs” keep Pitchforks…..or worse…..

    The Statist elite had better not rest easy thinking that they have Liberty supressed….

  17. 2010 October 25 4:03 pm
    RepublicanPundit permalink

    Doomsday is just around the corner…for democrats, that is.

    Come Quickly, Lord Jesus, or Nov 2nd.

  18. 2010 October 25 4:07 pm
    Colorado KnightOwl permalink

    #16 one thing is sure….BHO didn’t expect us to wake up before he had his “national security force” stood up and ready…Are we awake?

  19. 2010 October 25 4:11 pm
    justrand permalink

    Colorado KnightOwl: “Are we awake?”

    WE are on this site and others throughout the Conservative blogoshpere are…but is enough of America awake? I pray so…else what is coming is terrible indeed.

  20. 2010 October 25 4:14 pm
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #18 Yeah, gotta have that “mandatory national service force” cause we Statist dictators just cant count on the regular military to supress the people….you know, them taking their oath to defend the Constituition and 235 years of non-politcal service to the nation and all….

    Yeah, I hope we are awake……we are at the Last Chance Saloon when it comes to preserving our rights, freedoms, and prosperity

  21. 2010 October 25 4:16 pm
    Colorado KnightOwl permalink

    I agree, if we are not…It is the End of Days, or The End of America as we knew it…

  22. 2010 October 25 4:24 pm
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #21 Unfortunately, if we (America) fall into being just another Statist/authoriran craphole then the whole world plunges into a 500 year dark age IMHO…..

    The American Idea (ie that the people are soverign and are endowed by our Creator with certain Inalienable Rights) is the only hope for mankind……extinguish it here, it will be lost to mankind for generations as we are the only ones who profess it (albeit far from perfectly or strongly now due to the Cancer called “Liberal Democrats”)…….

    However, since the American Idea represents the full earthly expression of the Creators intent for the human race, it is a FUNDAMENTAL TRUTH…….

    Since it is Truth, in the long run, it can never ever be denied or supressed forever…..

  23. 2010 October 25 4:25 pm
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    Hey BJGers……check this one out! Predicts 62 House seats…..


    Added commentary on the Blog from someone you may recognize….

  24. 2010 October 25 4:29 pm
    JustMary permalink

    #12 Indeed. I am so angry over all of this. Between this and the expected 401k grab…..

  25. 2010 October 25 4:31 pm
    Colorado KnightOwl permalink

    #22 That my generation may have pi$$ed this gift away dismays me to no end…

    I woke up only a couple of years ago, though for many years I knew something wasn’t right with my country, I couldn’t tell what or why….

  26. 2010 October 25 4:35 pm
    JustMary permalink

    Honest question- not meant for advice giving- just an honest what if……..

    What if this goes through and the deductions go away. What if Americans give the one finger salute and as a gigantic group- simply did not file their taxes?

  27. 2010 October 25 4:39 pm
    brucefdb permalink

    Angle’s campaign is saying the Dems are offering free food at voter turnout events and that Teacher’s Unions are offering gift cards. They are pleading for poll watch volunteers. I guess everywhere is Chicago now.

  28. 2010 October 25 4:42 pm
    brucefdb permalink

    26….Americans are not going to back down….the Tea Party is real and the movement will continue to grow right up ’til 2012. Hopefully the R’s will be smart enough to get on board.
    None of that crap is going to pass.

  29. 2010 October 25 4:46 pm
    justrand permalink

    JM…that’s why they made”withholding” mandatory

  30. 2010 October 25 4:47 pm
    Colorado KnightOwl permalink

    #28…Hope your correct….but expect a government shut down….R’s pass a budget without Obama’s measures. He vetoes it and claims the R’s are being obstructionist…He continues to veto every measure the R’s pass….and blames everything on the R’s…with the MSM behind him the sheeple start getting mad at R’s…. ….”something wicked this way comes”.

  31. 2010 October 25 4:48 pm
    JustMary permalink

    I know it is, Dad…..I mean for those of us who would owe without the deductions. Would they lower the withholding making us effectively single 0? If enough people who would otherwise owe decided to not file, how many folks would it take to overload the system entirely? To the point where they couldn’t sort it out?

  32. 2010 October 25 4:56 pm

    What if Americans give the one finger salute and as a gigantic group- simply did not file their taxes?


    They would do what gubmints always do~~go after high profile people and throw the book at them with prison sentences to scare the rest into line.I call it the concentration camp syndrome: The entire population of a prison camp could overwhelm the guards, but no one wants to be machine gunned first, hence very few guards can guard thousands.
    passive resistance,spend enoughy for basic needs, but not one cent more. throw a monkey wrench into the economic works.

  33. 2010 October 25 5:03 pm
    JustMary permalink

    We’re doing that as best we can right now, IP. Really going out of our way to classify our needs vs wants. Saving, paying down debt…..but I just wish there was a way to send a message on a grand scale if we don’t have big wins and even if we do have big wins, there is still the issue of the lame duck….

  34. 2010 October 25 5:08 pm

    there is still the issue of the lame duck….

    That is where the all out push will come from, they know it’s their last gasp for awhile.

  35. 2010 October 25 5:15 pm
    justrand permalink

    we spend very little beyond essentials now…but will spend on nothing BUT essentials if they allow the Bush tax cuts to expire.

    Sadly that truly means birthdays, Christmas, vacations, etc. I swear, we will well and truly hunker down.

    We are on the knife’s edge now folks…if the Dems steal this election (and it would have to be bald-faced theft for them to retain the House) then all bets are truly off.

  36. 2010 October 25 5:20 pm
    JustMary permalink

    #35 All of this is truly frustrating.

  37. 2010 October 25 5:26 pm
    justrand permalink

    yes, my dear, it is.

    we’re the people who play by the rules, are polite, pay our taxes and work. thus the Obamanistas demonize us as “EXTREME!”

    that is THE word in every single Democrat ad and speech now…and will be until election day. FEAR is what they are peddaling, pure FEAR. It’s all the ammo they have left…and every Dem weapon is loaded with it.

    Some Americans, sadly, will be persuaded by this bullshit. That is sad AND scary.

  38. 2010 October 25 5:29 pm
    JustMary permalink

    Extreme…..yeah….Boxer is using that in the anti-Fiorina ad. “Too extreme for California”.

  39. 2010 October 25 5:30 pm
    justrand permalink

    watching Glenn Beck I just heard the latest Union ad against the Tea Parties.

    They take the sign/slogan “No More Taxes” and intentionally mis-read it.

    Since T-E-A stands for “Taxed ENOUGH Already”, it is easy to see that “No More Taxes” means no taxes ADDED ON to what we already have.

    But the UNION intentionally claims this means: “No taxes of ANY kind…EVER!”. Then they claim this means no military, no police, no roads…etc. OHMYGAWD, they screech…those evil Tea Baggers (the name they use in the ad) want to DESTROY US!

    That’s what passes for “Truth” from the Union thugs and their Dem buddies.

  40. 2010 October 25 5:31 pm
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    All of you know of course that killing off the Child Tax credit is part n parcel of the leftist enviroWacko Relgion….

    See to the Statist EnviroWacko the “problem” or “threat” to “the ecosystem” IS humans!

    therefore, the logical “solution” to them is to eliminate the WHOLE human race!

    Anything they can do to discourage child birth or families they are all for…….so if you can take money away from people so they cant afford to raise a family (or even have one child) they encourage…….ditto Abortion-on-demand as birth control……or “population control” or “one-child only” polices ala China

    This isnt accidental or simply a money issue folks…..or even a freedom or rights issue……its a matter of practical surivival…….if these anti-child/anti-family polices are adopted then pretty soon you are on the road to national suicide ala Western Europe (they have a negative birth rate; they are in a population death spiral) or social chaos ala China (China will have something like only 80 females for every 100 males)…..

    No joke, these elitest know-it-alls/apply-it-all-on-everyone-by-force are dangerous at every level you can imagine

  41. 2010 October 25 5:42 pm
    RepublicanPundit permalink

    This money grab by the libs will continue until we stop it.

  42. 2010 October 25 5:43 pm
    brucefdb permalink

    America is not Europe…..the Teas will stay with this fight. But it could lead to bloodshed for sure.

    California is worse than Europe I am afraid. Only 8% say the state is headed in the right direction and the poor fools here are going to vote the wrong way on almost every state initiative and put Dems back in control of everything. I simpy cant believe what I hear out of the mouths of people in this God forsaken state. Carly still has a shot though.

  43. 2010 October 25 5:44 pm
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #39 Well what it means is no special rights for “Unions” to be allowed to distrupt commerce, extort taxpayers, and violate property rights of private citizens – all actions that we as individuals would be locked up for many years for if we did it ourselves!

    I wont even go into the public sector union outright graft/extortion of taxpayers or the union welfare handouts…..

    They are liars of course…….but I think taxation should ONLY go for the legitimate purpose of government: protection of our rights…….that limits government to essentially courts, police, and the military……and not much else……and I would add the tax code should be simple and apply equally ie a Flat tax or voluntary taxation (ie something like a lottery or fee on whatever “service” you want the government to provide to you as an individual)…….

    I see no role what so ever for the government in charity (ie welfare) or “services”…….that means government education, roads, and fire departments are out…….

    On a practical note, while it may seem to you or others that not having government run education, roads or fire as “extreme”, I would argue the opposite……we are just conditioned to accept that as the status quo……but there are numerous current and historical examples where private individual or organizations have provide all of the same nationwide at a cheaper price with more efficet delivery of services…….the “extreme” position is to simply accept these as government monoploy items IMHO

    This is an absolute at the national level as none of my “no-go” items are authorized in the Constitution…….they may be premissible at the state or local level depending on how the state Constitution is written…….however, government violations of Individual Rights/Freedom should NEVER be permitted at any level……

  44. 2010 October 25 5:45 pm
    JBoz permalink

    After nearly 2 years, I’m still stunned that the American people actually made this idiot POTUS.

  45. 2010 October 25 5:46 pm
    RepublicanPundit permalink

    Since FDR, dims have used the income tax rules to social engineer. Marx was right when he said, “If I can tax you, I can destroy you.” Time to get rid of the income tax.

  46. 2010 October 25 5:49 pm
    JBoz permalink

    Do away with withholding, and let nature take it’s course.

  47. 2010 October 25 5:50 pm
    justrand permalink

    bruce, it IS staggering. The Dems control EVERYTHING in this State, including Ahnold Schwartzenkennedy. As you noted, only EIGHT PERCENT thinks we’re headed in the right direction. Yet Californians may well install Jerry FREAKING Brown as Governor again…and pass Prop 25 which will give the Legislature free rein to raises taxes and increase spending.

    Belly up, folks, that’s where we’re headed out here.

    The only “silver lining” around Obama stopping the mortgage exemption is that porperty values would fall through the floor, and then hundreds of thousands of us would simply walk away from our now worthless houses…and move to other States to start over.

  48. 2010 October 25 5:52 pm
    justrand permalink

    oh, and Barry said THIS today:
    “We don’t mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back.”


    the imagery is crystal clear, and intentional.

  49. 2010 October 25 5:53 pm
    JustMary permalink

  50. 2010 October 25 5:54 pm
    RepublicanPundit permalink

    Tennessee welcomes you, as long as you leave the liberals there. We don’t have an income tax.

  51. 2010 October 25 5:55 pm
    bc3b permalink

    JBoz –

    There was no way the media was going to let anyone stop Obama in 2008. First it worked to destroy Hillary Clinton. There was no way John McCain could stop McCain (until he selected Sarah Palin as his running mate). Since then the media has worked full time to destroy her.

    In 2008 and since the media has refused to look into any stories that may negatively impact their god.

    The American people were dumb. The media is totally dishonest and corrupt.

  52. 2010 October 25 5:58 pm
    JustMary permalink

    TN is our third choice, RP. Any one of our 3 state choices has a job opening for Hubs and we are outta here.

  53. 2010 October 25 6:01 pm
    RepublicanPundit permalink

    well, come on down. Our lakes are clear and clean and most folks are very conservative.

  54. 2010 October 25 6:03 pm
    justrand permalink

    WE are wised up to the media…but enough Americans are NOT that the media is indeed able to move election results between 5% and 10%. I don’t like the fact, but it IS a fact. When yo factor in fraud, then any election that is tighter than 5% right now is in serious jeopardy. Sad but true.

    We ONLY win when we win big…I pray that we can. EVERY vote counts.

  55. 2010 October 25 6:03 pm
    RepublicanPundit permalink

    JM, Who are the other one beside Texas.

  56. 2010 October 25 6:05 pm
    JustMary permalink

    #55 Nevada

  57. 2010 October 25 6:06 pm
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    “President George W. Bush who signed TARP into law foolishly stated “I’ve abandoned free-market principles to save the free-market system.” However, the severe financial crisis was created by government intervention in the market in the first place. Instead, the solution is to allow the true free market to get us out of this mess. Let the failure of TARP be a lesson to all: government bailouts have negative consequences. Regardless of the circumstance, we must stay true to free market principles that promote freedom and prosperity.”


  58. 2010 October 25 6:06 pm
    JBoz permalink

    Never lived in TN, but have passed through Nashville many times and it’s very nice. I’ve also been to Knoxville and Chatanooga, and very much enjoyed both. Memphis, not so much…but I did enjoy “the Vous”.

  59. 2010 October 25 6:10 pm
    JBoz permalink

    Lived in TX for nearly 3 years from 2002 to 2005…nicest, friendliest people I have ever encountered.

  60. 2010 October 25 6:16 pm
    RepublicanPundit permalink

    JBOZ. I live in Upper
    East TN in Bristol, half of which is in VA.

    You should see the fall foliage.

    Lived in TX for 29 years. TX was very good to me. Nevada was always fun, and I considered living there several times. None of these have state income tax, but VA taxes everything. We call it “East Germany”.

  61. 2010 October 25 6:22 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    nicest, friendliest people I have ever encountered.

    An armed society is a polite society.

  62. 2010 October 25 6:24 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    Best thing to do is to starve the monkeys.

    The left has the mind set to crash the system. And they believe that we will follow them afterwards to their planned utopia.

    Well guess what, we don’t have to follow them. We don’t have to participate. Let the liars, the thieves and the leeches be the producers. Let them see how far they can progress society and civilization.

    Do no more than you have to. Trade and buy from other like minded people. Do not assist or help them in any manner.

    So, starve the monkeys and see how far they get.

  63. 2010 October 25 6:24 pm
    JustMary permalink

    I am desperate enough to be out of here to not really care which of the 3 states we wind up in. Each has its own unique pull for us. Plus, the more willing we are to be flexible with state choices, the more likely we will be transferred.

  64. 2010 October 25 6:26 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Lets see. People leave Cali in droves. In a move to save the state, the other 49 governors petition that Statehood be revoked and that outside auditors take over. Since there is no money to spend, the Liberals leave too. In an effort to repopulate the State, the Homestead Act is reissued. 50 acres and Kutoba tractor and you have to farm it for 5 years.

    Might work….

  65. 2010 October 25 6:30 pm
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #62 and certainly keep your children away from govt run schools!!!!!

  66. 2010 October 25 6:30 pm
    RepublicanPundit permalink

    Texas is doing real good, Nevada is really hurting, Tenn is pretty stable. All would be infinately better than California.

    What kind of work are you all looking for?

  67. 2010 October 25 6:34 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    RP – anything (including Red China) would be better than Kommiefornia.

  68. 2010 October 25 6:37 pm
    RepublicanPundit permalink

    Agreed, GN

  69. 2010 October 25 6:38 pm
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #64 Isnt man-created diseater grand?

    The inevitable result of authorian interventionist government……

  70. 2010 October 25 6:38 pm
    JustMary permalink

    #66 Hubby can keep his same job so long as we transfer to any state his company works in, so that isn’t too much of an issue. Our concern is housing in a good area, for less than what we pay, and far lower taxes. The state has to be homeschool friendly, and that is the one thing about Nevada I haven’t researched yet. The state has to allow concealed carry, and again with the taxes, it either needs to have lower/no sales tax, or no state income tax, preferably both. If our money can stretch further, I will be happy.

  71. 2010 October 25 6:40 pm
    JBoz permalink

    RP – Bristol sounds nice. Near Asheville, NC? When the kids get out of school, we are outta here (IL, CA’s little cousin).

  72. 2010 October 25 6:42 pm
    drdog09 permalink


    If you are able to sell you house for a reasonable offer, be careful. I know a lot of people who came here to Texas on transfers from CA with large valuations. They made the mistake of plunking it all in another house at twice the size.

    Wrong move. The utilities will kill you.

  73. 2010 October 25 6:47 pm
    JBoz permalink

    #72 – Also, RE taxes get you. We moved from Indiana to Texas and spend 25% less on a house…and our real estate taxes went up by almost 300%. No state taxes is nice, but if you buy a big house, it end up being kind of a wash.

  74. 2010 October 25 6:49 pm
    JBoz permalink

    In 9 days, I will need a new Gravatar.

  75. 2010 October 25 6:59 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    JBoz, JM,

    The trick if you can pull it off is find a house you want that is on acreage then go to the zoning board and see if you can get the acreage class as agriculture. The taxes fall thru the floor.

  76. 2010 October 25 7:01 pm
    brucefdb permalink

    Dog, do they have any trailer parks in Texas that dont attract tornadoes?

  77. 2010 October 25 7:05 pm
    drdog09 permalink


    How about a gravatar of a landfill for a week? After we cream them with 60 wins or so.

  78. 2010 October 25 7:12 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Bruce, oh my no. But man those tornadoes do a number when it hits a trailer. Its like looking at road kill. Pink insulation is strewn about everywhere and not a trailer to be seen.

  79. 2010 October 25 7:14 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    From Mark Steyn —

    “The Tea Party and other members of America’s beleaguered productive class decided that this time round it suited them to work within the diseased husk of the GOP. This is really the last chance for the unloved Republicans. If the party establishment is sufficiently dimwitted to see November 2nd as the restoration of the 2004-2006 GOP, they will be setting up the conditions (as Rush has already argued) for a serious third-force challenge in 2012. That would be less convulsive than a remoter though still possible scenario: If the Democrats manage to hold onto power by openly funding spoiler candidates, they would be discrediting the entire electoral process, and setting up pre-revolutionary conditions. In other words, it would be very easy for both parties to confirm the suspicion of a very disenchanted electorate – that the system no longer allows for serious course correction. ”


    He’s right. That scares me.

  80. 2010 October 25 7:19 pm

    Texas~~concealed carry,gun friendly state ,no state income taxes,home schooling no problem,
    friendly folk away from the big cities, HOT summers.Good bar BQ.

  81. 2010 October 25 7:25 pm
    mulletover permalink


    And the Texas Bikini Team.

    Life is good.

  82. 2010 October 25 7:25 pm
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #79 Styen is the most brilliant conservative thinker out there…..

    He had CrappyCare pegged EXACTLY correct ie it had nothing to do with medical care or the cost of medical care – it was and is nothing but a politcal power grab via government expansion and dependecy expansion….

    He was EXACTLY correct about the IslamoFacist threat…..

    And he is correct now…..

    As far as I am concerned, if the Authoririan/Statist looter/liars steal and cheat their way to power, I am in a state of Revolution against the illegitimate Dictatorship that will be imposed on us (for our own good of course lol)…..

  83. 2010 October 25 7:26 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Good description IP. Course we ought to caution our NC, SC, Tenn, Ky folk that Texas BBQ is not the same. Its a dry rub, sauce on the side affairs. Less ya wanna visit ‘hem fancy eateries like Red, White and Blue.

  84. 2010 October 25 7:30 pm
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    More Styen:

    “And, without serious course correction, America is doomed. It starts with the money. For dominant powers, it always does – from the Roman Empire to the British Empire. “Declinism” is in the air these days, but for us full-time apocalyptics we’re already well past that stage. In the space of one generation, a nation of savers became the world’s largest debtors, and a nation of makers and doers became a cheap service economy. Everything that can be outsourced has been – manufacturing to by no means friendly nations overseas; and much of what’s left in agriculture and construction to the armies of the “undocumented”. At the lower end, Americans are educated at a higher cost per capita than any nation except Luxembourg in order to do minimal-skill checkout-line jobs about to be rendered obsolete by technology. At the upper end, America’s elite goes to school till early middle age in order to be credentialed for pseudo-employment as $350 grand-a-year diversity consultants (Michelle Obama) or in one of the many other phony-baloney makework schemes deriving from government micro-regulation of virtually every aspect of endeavor. “

  85. 2010 October 25 7:33 pm
    JBoz permalink

    Drdog 77- good idea. This one might work: http://blog.lib.umn.edu/evans391/architecture/landfill.jpg

    Yeah, we took out the trash. Keep the change!

  86. 2010 October 25 7:34 pm
    mulletover permalink

    North Carolina has two BBQ styles…eastern and lexington style.

    I am unusual as I have an appreciation for both, but there are many contentious moments for the true believers.

    Of course, we occasionally put a pig in the ground too.

  87. 2010 October 25 7:35 pm
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    “As I said, the decline of great powers invariably starts with the money. When government spends on the scale Washington’s got used to, that’s not a spending issue, it’s a moral one. There’s nothing virtuous about “caring” “compassionate” “progressives” being caring and compassionate and progressive with money yet to be earned by generations yet to be born. That’s what “fiscal conservatives” often miss: This isn’t a green-eyeshade issue. Increasing dependency, disincentivizing self-reliance, absolving the citizenry from responsibility for their actions: The multitrillion-dollar debt catastrophe is not the problem but merely the symptom. It’s not just about balancing the books, but about something more basic and profound.

    In a two-party system, you have to work with what’s available. In America, one party is openly committed to driving the nation off the cliff, and the other party is full of guys content to go along for the ride as long as we shift down to third gear. That’s no longer enough of a choice. If your candidate isn’t committed to fewer government agencies with fewer employees on lower rates of pay, he’s part of the problem. This is the last chance for the GOP to restore its credentials. If it blows it, all bets are off for 2012. “

  88. 2010 October 25 7:36 pm
    JustMary permalink

    #75 That was the draw to one particular house in TN that we were looking at. It was zoned for business because of a strange boundary line (the only house on the street that way), but it was a nice residential area. Acreage is important to us for our next move, as is the need to downsize price wise. If we can get twice the house for half the price, so be it, but we aren’t looking to make a lateral move with what we paid for this house. I want to pay at least half, if not lower.

  89. 2010 October 25 7:40 pm
    TLS permalink

    JM, we are looking at AZ in 2 years. the anchor here is a good private school (I homeschool one out of three). But my husband works 6 months here, 6 there. Hopefully we will have a better idea where the counntry stands at that point. If we took the wrong pill, we may change the plan to TX for the final standoff.

  90. 2010 October 25 7:46 pm
    JBoz permalink

    Agree with the sentiment on TX BBQ. My first month there, I took the work team out for dinner – their choice. They wanted BBQ. It was tough, dry brisket, with sauce on the side. I wouldn’t go as far as to call it bad…it was just not good. Amazingly not good.

  91. 2010 October 25 8:11 pm
    JustMary permalink

    In the cities we have picked for our 3 states, TX offers the best bang for our buck, housing wise. I will take into consideration property taxes, but I have my doubts that they would be more than they are here.

  92. 2010 October 25 8:40 pm
    drdog09 permalink


    like your choice of ‘out the trash’ gravatar.

    As to the BBQ. You got a bad chunk of brisket. Done right it should have about a 1/4″ of smoke ring, followed by maybe a 1/2″ of ‘done’ then a light pink center. Not a bit of it should be dry except for that rub/smoke ring crust. It take me about 18hrs to slow cook the brisket, heat never above 225deg on the smoker. IP can probably provide some insight as well.

    Brisket is a tough cut of meat. If its not slow cooked for a long period the gristle does not have time to break down.

  93. 2010 October 26 2:04 am

    79 – Barry would love that, he’d coast to reelection in 2012.

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