The last six seconds…

2010 December 15
by justrand

…in the lives of two heroic Marines.  Why should the opinions of combat Marines carry more weight in the DADT debate than that of Ivy League professors?  This long speech gives a hint…

On Nov 13, 2010 Lt General John Kelly, USMC gave a speech to the Semper Fi Society of St. Louis , MO.   This was 4 days after his son, Lt. Robert Kelly, USMC was killed by an IED while on his 3rd Combat tour.

During his speech, General Kelly spoke about the dedication and valor of the young men and women who step forward each and every day to protect us.

During the speech, he never mentioned the loss of his own son.  He closed the speech with the moving account of the last 6 seconds in the lives of 2 young Marines who died with rifles blazing to protect their brother Marines.  This is that speech:

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“I will leave you with a story about the kind of people they are. About the quality of the steel in their backs. About the kind of dedication they bring to our country while they serve in uniform and forever after as veterans.

Two years ago when I was the Commander of all U.S. and Iraqi forces, in fact, the 22nd of April 2008, two Marine infantry battalions, 1/9 “The Walking Dead,” and 2/8 were switching out in Ramadi.  One battalion in the closing days of their deployment going home very soon, the other just starting its seven-month combat tour. Two Marines, Corporal Jonathan Yale and Lance Corporal Jordan Haerter, 22 and 20 years old respectively, one from each  battalion, were assuming the watch together at the entrance gate of an outpost that contained a makeshift barracks housing 50 Marines.  The same broken down ramshackle building was also home to 100 Iraqi police, also my men and our allies in the fight against the terrorists in Ramadi, a city until recently the most dangerous city on earth and owned by Al Qaeda.

Yale was a dirt poor mixed-race kid from Virginia with a wife and daughter, and a mother and sister who lived with him and he supported as well.  He did this on a yearly salary of less than $23,000.  Haerter, on the other hand, was a middle class white kid from Long Island .  They were from two completely different worlds.  Had they not joined the Marines they would never have met each other, or understood that multiple America ‘s exist simultaneously depending on one’s race, education level, economic status, and where you might have been born.

But they were Marines, combat Marines, forged in the same crucible of Marine training, and because of this bond they were brothers as close, or closer, than if they were born of the same woman.

The mission orders they received from the sergeant squad leader I am sure went something like: “Okay you two clowns, stand this post and let no unauthorized personnel or vehicles pass.”  “You clear?”  I am also sure Yale and Haerter then rolled their eyes and said in unison something like:  “Yes Sergeant,” with just enough attitude that made the point without saying the words, “No kidding sweetheart, we know what we’re doing.”

They then relieved two other Marines on watch and took up their post at the entry control point of Joint Security Station Nasser, in the Sophia section of Ramadi, Al Anbar, Iraq .

A few minutes later a large blue truck turned down the alley way-perhaps 60-70 yards in length-and sped its way through the serpentine of concrete jersey walls.  The truck stopped just short of where the two were posted and detonated, killing them both catastrophically.

Twenty-four brick masonry houses were damaged or destroyed.  A mosque 100 yards away collapsed.  The truck’s engine came to rest two hundred yards away knocking most of a house down before it stopped.  Our explosive experts reckoned the blast was made of 2,000 pounds of explosives. Two died, and because these two young infantrymen didn’t have it in their DNA to run from danger, they saved 150 of their Iraqi and American brothers-in-arms.

When I read the situation report about the incident a few hours after it happened I called the regimental commander for details as something about this struck me as different.  Marines dying or being seriously wounded is  commonplace in combat.  We expect Marines regardless of rank or MOS to stand their ground and do their duty, and even die in the process, if that is what the mission takes.  But this just seemed different.  The regimental commander had just returned from the site and he agreed, but reported that there were no American witnesses to the event-just Iraqi police.  I figured if there was any chance of finding out what actually happened and then to decorate the two Marines to acknowledge their bravery, I’d have to do it as a combat award that requires two eye-witnesses and we figured the bureaucrats back in Washington would never buy Iraqi statements.  If it had any chance at all, it had to come under the signature of a general officer.

I traveled to Ramadi the next day and spoke individually to a half-dozen Iraqi police all of whom told the same story.  The blue truck turned down into the alley and immediately sped up as it made its way through the serpentine.  They all said, “We knew immediately what was going on as soon as the two Marines began firing.”  The Iraqi police then related that some of them also fired, and then to a man, ran for safety just prior to the explosion.  All survived.  Many were injured, some seriously.

One of the Iraqis elaborated and with tears welling up said, “They’d run like any normal man would to save his life.”  “What he didn’t know until then,” he said, “and what he learned that very instant, was that Marines are not normal.”  Choking past the emotion he said, “Sir, in the name of God no sane man would have stood there and done what they did.”  “No sane man.”

“They saved us all.”

What we didn’t know at the time, and only learned a couple of days later after I wrote a summary and submitted both Yale and Haerter for posthumous Navy Crosses, was that one of our security cameras, damaged initially in the blast, recorded some of the suicide attack.  It happened exactly as the Iraqis had described it.  It took exactly six seconds from when the truck entered the alley until it detonated.

You can watch the last six seconds of their young lives.  Putting myself in their heads I supposed it took about a second for the two Marines to separately come to the same conclusion about what was going on once the truck came into their view at the far end of the alley.  Exactly no time to talk it over, or call the sergeant to ask what they should do.  Only enough time to take half an instant and think about what the sergeant told them to do only a few minutes before: “.let no unauthorized personnel or vehicles pass.”  The two Marines had about five seconds left to live.

It took maybe another two seconds for them to present their weapons, take aim, and open up.  By this time the truck was half-way through the barriers and gaining speed the whole time.  Here, the recording shows a number of Iraqi police, some of whom had fired their AKs, now scattering like the normal and rational men they were-some running right past the Marines.

They had three seconds left to live.

For about two seconds more, the recording shows the Marines’ weapons firing non-stop.the truck’s windshield exploding into shards of glass as their rounds take it apart and tore in to the body of the SOB who is trying to get past them to kill their brothers-American and Iraqi-bedded down in the barracks totally unaware of the fact that their lives at that moment depended entirely on two Marines standing their ground.  If they had been aware, they would have known they were safe, because two Marines stood between them and a crazed suicide bomber.  The recording shows the truck careening to a stop immediately in front of the two Marines.  In all of the instantaneous violence Yale and Haerter never hesitated.  By all reports and by the recording, they never stepped back.  They never even started to step aside.  They never even shifted their weight.  With their feet spread shoulder width apart, they leaned into the danger, firing as fast as they could work their weapons.  They had only one second left to live.

The truck explodes.  The camera goes blank.  Two young men go to their God.  Six seconds.  Not enough time to think about their families, their country, their flag, or about their lives or their deaths, but more than enough time for two very brave young men to do their duty, into eternity. That is the kind of people who are on watch all over the world tonight-for you.

We Marines believe that God gave America the greatest gift he could bestow to man while he lived on this earth-freedom.  We also believe he gave us another gift nearly as precious-our soldiers, sailors, airmen, Coast Guardsmen, and Marines-to safeguard that gift and guarantee no force on this earth can every steal it away.  It has been my distinct honor to have been with you here today.  Rest assured our America, this experiment in democracy started over two centuries ago, will forever remain the “land of the free and home of the brave” so long as we never run out of tough young Americans who are willing to look beyond their own self-interest and comfortable lives, and go into the darkest and most dangerous places on earth to hunt down, and kill, those who would do us harm.

        God Bless America , and..SEMPER FIDELIS!”

223 Responses leave one →
  1. 2010 December 15 3:06 pm
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    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    A major source of objection to a free economy is precisely that group thinks they ought to want. Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. –

    Milton Friedman

  2. 2010 December 15 3:26 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    Excuse me I have to go compose myself.

  3. 2010 December 15 3:30 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    JR –

    Thank you for sharing that with us.

    There has been far too much civilian control since WWII, which (by no coincidence) is the last war the U.S. won. It is very unusual for someone as outspoken as General Kelly to earn flag rank in today’s military (except for the Marine Corps.).

    As General Kelly stated, these young men were forced to make a decision in a split second – a decision that cost them their lives, but saved the lives of scores of their comrades. Other young men have made similar decisions that ended up killing an innocent Iraqi or Afghan civilians and they later faced court marshall. Often times, it was not because they wanted to harm someone, but because they felt their lives or the lives of their peers were in danger. In earlier wars, wuch indidents would have been overlooked.

    Today’s soldiers face decisions and consequences that their counterparts in WWII never faced. WWII soldiers didn’t have the enemy (an embeded media) traveling with them and watching them every second, waiting to report a “f#ck up” to the world.

    WWII soldiers had commanders like Patton and MacArthur, who would have refused orders to place the safety of civilians over the safety of their men. In WWII the Armed Forces didn’t have a chief of staff like Admiral Michael Mullen, a career a$$-kisser who never faced combat or an Army Chief of Staff like General George Casey, who was more concerned about being politically correct and not offending Muslims than the death of 13 people at Ft. Hood.

    JR is so right in that decisions should be made by people who are career military (not to be confused with career military politicians, and those of us that have been in the military have seen our share). The Chief of Staff should either be Army, Marines of a rated (flyboy) member of the Navy or Marines. With the exception of pilots, the Navy hasn’t been involved in a major battle since World War II.

    Today, major decisions are made by military mem who are primarily interested in their careers and in (as George Wallace used to say) “pointy-headed liberals” from Ivy League schools.

    May God have mercy on Lt. Robert Kelly, Corporal Jonathan Yale and Lance Corporal Jordan Haerter. The nation owes a debt of gratitude to them and hundreds of others who have sacrificed their lives fighting in the War on Terror.

  4. 2010 December 15 3:30 pm
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    And those who would repeal DADT, hold these men in utter contempt.

  5. 2010 December 15 3:35 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    ip –

    Unfortunately, you are 100% correct.

  6. 2010 December 15 3:41 pm
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    DADT house rino turncoats.

    BIGGERT
    DENT
    PAUL
    BONO-MACK
    PLATTS
    REICHERT
    ROS=LEHTINRN
    CAMPBELL
    CAO
    CASTLE
    DIAZ-BALART
    DJOU
    DRIER
    EHLERS
    FLAKE

  7. 2010 December 15 3:42 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    As Sarah Palin (the mother of an Iraq veteran) has so often said: Barack Obama never has mentioned the word victory.

    Ever since WWII the U.S. has sacrificed its finest young men and women in wars we had no intention of winning – Korea, Viet Nam, Iraq and Afghanistan. In Viet Nam, we were winning the Tet offensive (but, the media – led by Walter Cronkite – told the American public we were losing. The government refused to blockade North Vietnamese ports. Key areas were off limits for arrial bombing.

    Sending our military into danger and placing their lives in harm’s way if we have no commitment to win or giving them every possible protection is immoral.

  8. 2010 December 15 3:46 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    Too bad one of those brave boys didn’t have a xm25. It might have made the difference, but we will never know.

  9. 2010 December 15 3:51 pm
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    Senate rio turncoat on START

    Bennett (R-UT)
    Brown (R-MA)
    Collins (R-ME)
    Graham (R-SC)
    Lugar (R-IN)
    McCain (R-AZ)
    Murkowski (R-AK)
    Snowe (R-ME)
    Voinovich (R-OH)

  10. 2010 December 15 4:00 pm
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  11. 2010 December 15 4:00 pm
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    “DADT house rino turncoats.”

    FLAKE IS MY CONGRESSMAN!

  12. 2010 December 15 4:30 pm
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    JustMary permalink

    God Bless those young men. :’-(

  13. 2010 December 15 4:55 pm
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    8 – Maybe maybe not, 2000lbs explosion at the range of the weapon still would have likely killed them, though you might have a body to bury assuming shrapnel and debris didn’t get them assuming they avoided the shockwave zone of what like 500m? Range on the xm is like 700m. Would of at least had shot though.

    9 – Gang of traitors
    10 – How about Obama\Biden ?

  14. 2010 December 15 4:58 pm
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    gnqanq permalink

    God bless them all.

  15. 2010 December 15 5:06 pm
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    TLS permalink

    I had the honor of having 5 young marines join us for Thanksgiving. They were all 20 to 24. Like Corporal Jonathan Yale and Lance Corporal Jordan Haerter, some had just returned from Afghan and some were preparing to go in the new year. And all I could think is thank God that we still have these heroes that are willing to fight for something greater than themselves, despite having a President who can’t see anything but himself. He is not worthy to kiss the ground they walk on, much less have any power over their life.

    Thanks for the awesome post, JR.

  16. 2010 December 15 5:06 pm
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    ” How about Obama\Biden ?”

    Only if it’s Romney/ “Romney”

  17. 2010 December 15 5:09 pm
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    So you think Putin will run again in 2012? If not maybe Barry can pick up a new VP!

  18. 2010 December 15 5:12 pm
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    It’s over

  19. 2010 December 15 5:12 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    Hell why not? He’s 58, got a mistress half his age that’s a hottie, and he would not put up with the Leftist BS Obammy is throwing. He’s a tyrant, but he plays it straight.

  20. 2010 December 15 5:17 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    Once again Mike Castle demonstrates that Christine O’Donell did the GOP a favor by taking that piece of sh!t out. Great job Christine. I am proud of you.

  21. 2010 December 15 5:19 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    Just deserts for the Holiday Season. Marion Barry has his car stolen in DC — http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=25&sid=2202601

    Some dude probably has it jacked up, 15″ alloy rims with 2″ sidewalls, 1000watt stereo, new plates and a pair of fuzzies hanging from the rear view by now.

  22. 2010 December 15 5:19 pm
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    bc3b permalink

      Senate rio turncoat on START

      Bennett (R-UT)
      Brown (R-MA)
      Collins (R-ME)
      Graham (R-SC)
      Lugar (R-IN)
      McCain (R-AZ)
      Murkowski (R-AK)
      Snowe (R-ME)
      Voinovich (R-OH)

      Unfortunately there are enough RINOs who are always enough RINOs in the Senate that the Dems can get anything through.

  23. 2010 December 15 5:19 pm
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    20. Let’s hope the samething happens in Maine for 2012

  24. 2010 December 15 5:20 pm
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    19 – I was thinking he could give barry help to fast forward our downfall.
    If your ok with a tyrant elect me dictator for 5 years, you’ll like the direction the nation is headed in over all by the end of the 5th year, in fact I’ll make you czar of fixing a whole bundle of sh1t Dr. sold? 😉

  25. 2010 December 15 5:21 pm
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    23 – What like a nuclear accident that wipes most of the state off the map?

  26. 2010 December 15 5:21 pm
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    DR

    2012 is looking a lot like 2008. If Hussein wins we gain more congressional seats.

    If a RINO wins we lose Congress.

  27. 2010 December 15 5:23 pm
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    26 – Isn’t it pathetic.

  28. 2010 December 15 5:25 pm
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    KH,

    I’ll tell you this bro, if its Romney, Daniels, Pataki, etc… I’ll have no problem voting third party

    I’m 50/50 on Huck.

  29. 2010 December 15 5:25 pm
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    21 – You see the story of the iphone stolen from a hospital patient in AU? Cops fired up the choppers to track it down. Talk about waste of resources, err you could have bought the person a new one for less then the price of the fuel for the helicopter.

  30. 2010 December 15 5:28 pm
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    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    This is a comment from #62 & #67 last thread (topic: other blogs “borrowing” BJG themes)

    It kind of bites that other blogs are stealing BJG material……however, if it educates people, even people who are like minded, on topics that we understand but they dont I generally think thats a good thing for the cause….

    Here are some suggested topics I wish I had time right now to right about or post on here that I’d be glad if some other folks “stole” the idea off here – so they can get a freakin’ clue:

    (1) Where our Rights Come from (and why Statists want to confuse you on this)

    (2) Giving Away the Store (Agreeing with the Statists that Politicans are elected to “DOOOO SOMETHING” instead simply protecting our Rights)

    (3) The Real Root of Our Problems (Why Authoritrian Government Intervenion is Destroying Us)

    (4) The Solution to Our Problems (Restoring Individual Rights and Freedom)

    (5) Why Do We Have a Government (Protection of our Individual Rights in situations where we cant as singular citizens and adjudication of disputes)

    (6) Liberal Political Tricks and How to See Through Them (Damning the Lack of Utter Perfection and Promising Utopia thru Coersion and Force)

    (7) How can 1 Autocrat (King Barark) plus 25 Technocrats (the Federal Reserve Board) plus 535 Looters know more then the 300 million rest of us? (Why Do We Expect Politicans to “Scientifically Manage” the Economy?)

    (8) What the 2nd Amendment is Really About (Hint: Its not just about you owning a gun!)

    I could go on, but those are the ones I think a lot of education is sorely need FOR OUR OWN SIDE as our lack of understanding of these allows Statists to run circles around us in intellectual debate and the PR wars…….

    We first gotta get all the “Conservatives” on the same sheet so to speak, then we can begin to educate the public and maybe turn things around…..

    Or at least convince enough people to form one bad-arse milita to restore Freedom when things go to crap…..

    Just sayin’ – Food for thought…..

  31. 2010 December 15 5:32 pm
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    I will not vote for Huck like you will not vote for Romney, and I have zero interest in voting for Romney either. The more I see of Daniels the less interested I am in him running but I’ll hear out _anybody_ that wants the job till around September’ish 2011 even if I’m not buying their bullshit.

    I don’t really like our odds with ANY candidate I’ve heard mentioned yet, especially since Skippy is going to try to play Bill, thankfully he’s not that good an actor when he doesn’t have the script in front of him.

  32. 2010 December 15 5:33 pm
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    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #28 I am with ya on that one – the three stooges you cite are totally Crap-burglers IMHO

    I am more “YUCK” on Huck then you are…..

    I like Palin but, admitting politcal tea-leaf reading aint my big thing, am not sold on if she can win the GE…..

    Personnally, I like Ryan or Pense but nobody has won from the House in over 100 years (channel your inner James Garfield)…..

  33. 2010 December 15 5:35 pm
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    DADT would never be repealed in the new congress(which is more representative than the current one).
    START would never be passed in the new congress(which is more representative than the current one).
    DREAM would never be passed in the new congress(which is more representative than the current one).
    PORK would never be passed in the new congress(that is more representative than the current one).

    ERGO: The demagog-okrat party doesn’t give a damn for representative gubmint,if fact they hold it in contempt,unless of course they hold the cards.This midnight 12th hour cram down exposes their hypocrisy for all time.
    Damn the friggin rinos that help them.

  34. 2010 December 15 5:36 pm
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    KH,

    I think it’s funny that none of the “top tier” candidates are ahead of Hussein, even with 10% unemployment. Which tells me (1) RINOs will vote for Hussein over Palin. and (2) Conservatives (real ones) will vote for Hussein over Romney.

    Hussein has got to be laughing his ass off somewhere

  35. 2010 December 15 5:38 pm
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    WE,

    Ryan is for this tax “compromise” so he sucks too.

    He also voted for a shit load of spending packages

  36. 2010 December 15 5:39 pm
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    BTW I think if 3rd party wanted to even have a remote shot at 12′ then they are already too late in some states I think due to the various ballot access hoops. It would be pretty funny though if a 3rd party candidate started early, say this summer and was able to steal a state or two killing both the R and the D shot at getting 270 and sending it to the house (assuming electoral college electors were not bribed) we just elected. Imagine that the GOP lame duck picking the president. muhahahahhaahaha

  37. 2010 December 15 5:39 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    Rush Limbaugh had an interesting statement on his show today: The RINOs are as anxious as Harry Reid to pass all this sh!t before the calvary arrives Janjuary 3.

    I agree with Eph. If the GOP runs a RINO in 2012 I won’t vote for him. Hopefully, if the GOP runs a RINO, it will be third party time.

  38. 2010 December 15 5:40 pm
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    TLS permalink

    #30 WEC I would love to see you write some educational pieces on any of those topics. If you want a prime example of why education is important, look (once again) at Greece ~ they are out of money, they have been bailout already, that money will run out also and then NO ONE will receive ANYTHING from the gov’t. And yet, the unions tell people that the gov’t is selling out the people and there are riots in the streets. People are lacking a basic understanding of the situation, much less economics, gov’t, entitlements, and basic budgeting.

  39. 2010 December 15 5:40 pm
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    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #31 Yeah, Obama is doing a great “Bill Lickin” I think – get some sucker RINOs to cut a bad deal….

    “Agree with Conservatives” kinda, sorta on one big headline items – then pack the rest of the bill with items Toxic to Freedom and Individual Rights…….crap that expands government powers, chokes off liberty, confiscates tons of money, and buys lots of Statist votes thru pork and dependency……..all stuff that “flys under the Radar”…..

    A slow death by 100000 cuts vice the full-body blows to Freedom that he has inflicted the past 2 years……

    As far as the “run to center” – is “Obama successfully triangulating” crap ie politcal effect, I could flippin’ care less right now….

    I want an end to the destruction of my country and my Liberty……not just a slower and less visible imposition of Tyranny!

    I want some of them flipping “Tea Party” Republicans up there to start guttin’ our Authoritrian government and restoring our Freedom (thus our prosperity) ASAP!!!!!

  40. 2010 December 15 5:41 pm
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    35 – Yup he did, smart guy but showed he’ll pick the politically expedient way every time, but you can see that already in how his roadmap is written.

  41. 2010 December 15 5:42 pm
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    BC,

    Even with 15% unemployment I will not vote for Romney, Daniels, Pataki, etc…

  42. 2010 December 15 5:42 pm
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    KH,

    Romney/Ryan…I can see it now bro

  43. 2010 December 15 5:45 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    Basically by helping the Dems pass all this sh!t, the RINOs have blunted the effect of the 201o election. Tell me again why a RINO is better than a Democrat.

  44. 2010 December 15 5:45 pm
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    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #35 Well, I guess that crosses Ryan off the list……he likes to talk numbers to much anyways (hint Mr. Ryan, Tyranny with a balanced buget is NOT going to fix things)…..

    I dunno if Pense is holding firm…..I guess he voted NO on the “tax rate” scam deal….

    I am thinking maybe a “dark horse”, say someone like Allan West may need to emerge…..

    I know Newt is out there lurking too, another high “baggage” guy that has been completely solid Conservative-wise either…..

    How about the VA governor?

  45. 2010 December 15 5:49 pm
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    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #43 exactly, goes to show that this “DC Establishment Elite” thing is not just some “right wing conspricacy theory”……

    There are a whole bunch of them people up there who just revel in their unlimited power and really beleive that they have “all the right answers” that need to be imposed on us smucks….

    We always complain how “Blue Dog D” talk conservative to get elected then vote Statist when they get up to DC, no different with R/RINOs – essentially they do the same thing: talk a conservative game then vote with the socialists when they think they are in the shadows

  46. 2010 December 15 5:50 pm
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    “nobody has won from the House in over 100 years ”

    That’s my issue with pence, long history suggests a negative out come, that said maybe that means it’s time for another rare exception?

    BTW third party folks I could see getting involved – Lou Dobbs
    I’m not a supporter per say but hearing him talk lately it sounds like he wants get active in politics. Trumps been grumbling in a similar manner, but he always does that, not that could in vision myself voting either into the WH, but see that wouldn’t be the point, point would be to try to engineer sending the selection to the house. 😉

  47. 2010 December 15 5:51 pm
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    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #40 yeah, we dont need to “save Medicare and SS for future generations” – we need to show how they are immoral violations of Individual Rights in addition to being fiscal ponzi schemes!

    We need to be destroying those programs, not agree with the Statists and aiding them by making their pet dependecy programs last longer…..

  48. 2010 December 15 5:52 pm
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    43 – Exactly. Why don’t fellow republicans and supposed conservatives see this??

  49. 2010 December 15 5:53 pm
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    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #38 Yep, text book example you cite…..

  50. 2010 December 15 5:54 pm
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    Newts been shaky on some things beyond the baggage but I’ll give him this, when he wants to he does know how to get shit done, or stop sh1t from getting done if need be.

  51. 2010 December 15 6:03 pm
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    “How about the VA governor?”

    Could be a possibility. McDonald is term limited too.

    I would go for Newt over Romney, Daniels, or Huck in a heartbeat

  52. 2010 December 15 6:04 pm
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    Dobbs and Trump are social libs – I’ll pass on both

  53. 2010 December 15 6:09 pm
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    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #50 & 51 Personnally, I like Newt because he has the best intellectual understand of what Liberty, Individual Rights, Federalism, and Limited Government mean in a Free Society….

    However, I have noted that, even among self-proclaimed Conservatives, his name is also a lightin’ rod effect that brings up lots of objections about him (real or imagined)…..

    Plus, like Palin, he gotta overcome that whole MSM hit-job/smear thing in the GE…..

    But I agree, that guy would get some postive (as in restoring some freedom) stuff done….

    Just sayin – he is the best “Big Name R” candidate IMHO

  54. 2010 December 15 6:09 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    KH, Heh. Dictator for 5 years. Hmmm. Well ok. But I start with 15m deportations so buy railroad stock.

  55. 2010 December 15 6:09 pm
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    KH,

    At this point Newt might be the only candidate to bridge the divide between the RINOs and the conservatives.

    Especially if he puts Pence in as VP.

  56. 2010 December 15 6:10 pm
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    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #52 They sound alot like economic libs most of the time too IMHO – preachin’ too much government intervention crap for my tastes

  57. 2010 December 15 6:10 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    I am not big on Dobbs for President and wouldn’t walk across the see Trump.

    I’ll parbably vote for Palin whether she’s on the ballot or not – let’s replace someone who is a world-class a$$ with someone who has a world-class a$$. Like that campaign theme Eph?

  58. 2010 December 15 6:10 pm
    [58]

    “Just sayin – he is the best “Big Name R” candidate IMHO”

    agreed. But that aint sayin much

  59. 2010 December 15 6:12 pm
    [59]

    BC,

    If Palin runs I’ll register as a Republican to vote for her…and her great ass

  60. 2010 December 15 6:12 pm
    [60]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    Now I know what them Germans in the 1920’s feel like……..vote for Hitler, the Commies, or a collection of arse clowns……

    Thats about our choice for POTUS right now lol

  61. 2010 December 15 6:12 pm
    [61]
    drdog09 permalink

    KH, 36,

    The best thing a third party should not do is run a presidential candidate. They all make that mistake. The most effective thing to do is run Senatorial candidates. They only need a coalition of about 15-20 to totally hose up the Senate. Once that is tied up, you build up your House coalition. Once they are about 1/3 of the House then start thinking about a Presidential run.

    By then a third party would have the local, state and national infrastructure to mount such an offensive.

  62. 2010 December 15 6:12 pm
    [62]
    mulletover permalink

    Very moving post, JR. Thanks so much for sharing it. I will do the same with my family members and others with whom I regularly correspond.

    I’ve mentioned in previous posts the three outstanding marine lieutenants who are neighbors to my son near Camp Lejuene. Two are currently deployed to Afghanistan, and the third will ship out in February. I pray every night for their well-being and safe return.

    We are blessed as a nation to have young men and women like these to defend us and keep us safe. They deserve all the support we can give them. I know we all believe that here at BJG.

    Unfortunately, Washington does not.

  63. 2010 December 15 6:13 pm
    [63]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #58 Yep

    and

    #59 I will take a fine arse over an arse clown any day!

  64. 2010 December 15 6:13 pm
    [64]
    bc3b permalink

    Newt has more baggage than the lost and found at United Airlines. And, recently Newt appears
    to be pro DREAM Act.

    http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-national/gingrich-joins-growing-chorus-for-immigration-reform-calls-dream-act-useful

  65. 2010 December 15 6:15 pm
    [65]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #62 They were useful props when there “body count” was helping get Statist politicans elected…..your correct, the attitude now is “screw them, unleash the radical homo’s on them”

  66. 2010 December 15 6:16 pm
    [66]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #64 This is exactly what I mean……some dark horse guy is gonna have to emerge I guess

  67. 2010 December 15 6:22 pm
    [67]
    drdog09 permalink

    Too bad Newt doesn’t run against Steele for Chair. Either that or he can run the DSc in any major city. He’s not fit for President.

  68. 2010 December 15 6:23 pm
    [68]

    52 – I probably would too, I’m just throwing name out of folks who I think might slim shot in hell as 3rd party spoilers.

    54 – Not a problem, though holding large amount of RR stock would be a conflict of interest I’d avoid. Do we get snipers on the boarder too? 😉

    55 – That could work in theory but only theory as media baggage may kill him, then again he generally articulates things SO much better then some others with media baggage.

  69. 2010 December 15 6:27 pm
    [69]
    drdog09 permalink

    KH, 68,

    Snipers yes. But not any ole piss ant sniper, a 20mm automated one — http://www.gizmag.com/korea-dodamm-super-aegis-autonomos-robot-gun-turret/17198/ Should be cheap since we just cut a new trade deal with the Koreans.

  70. 2010 December 15 6:28 pm
    [70]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #67 thats a pretty good ? really; just who the heck is running against Steele for RNC chair?

    Do any of them have a clue and do any of them have a “pair” to take on RINOs and Statists?

  71. 2010 December 15 6:28 pm
    [71]
    mulletover permalink

  72. 2010 December 15 6:30 pm
    [72]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    And exacty why isnt Fish considered Meat?

    And why exactly do people tolerate RINOs?

  73. 2010 December 15 6:34 pm
    [73]

    60 – Basically that’s what the choices look like right now.
    61 – Yeah I know but that aint happening and you I both know it, not anytime soon and probably not in our lifetimes.
    67 – Yah I don’t get why he doesn’t want to be RNC chair, he’ll get the press he adores so much.

    I like the ex governor from AK but I think she’ll get her ass handed to her just like the rest of this crop in the general, and I’d rather not waste the refreshing voice by having it muted and dismissed after such. She can make more money and have more freedom of speech by not running, if she does run though unlike some others, I’ll vote for her in the general.

    Only way out of this is Skippy finding something else major to phuq up (including the press not running too much cover, like the oil spill) in the next year or so, it’s his specialty so there is some hope.

  74. 2010 December 15 6:35 pm
    [74]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #71 That’s $hit-on-a-stick ever I ever smelled it!

    Talk about your absolute tyranny……

    Hugo woulda been proud!

  75. 2010 December 15 6:38 pm
    [75]
    bc3b permalink

    Whether we like it or not, RINOs currently control the GOP at the national level.

  76. 2010 December 15 6:38 pm
    [76]

    69 – See that’s exactly why I’d make you a czar, you know how to think out of the box and do so with efficiency and cost in mind. 🙂 Though I don’t know what the cost\requirement comparison are for that vs a fleet of say 24 Reapers up there running 24×7.

  77. 2010 December 15 6:40 pm
    [77]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #73 Well Stagflation (at best) will soon ensue……if not outright Hyperinflation……..all thanks to our centralized, political control of our money……

    Trillions are being “created” (i’d say printed but in this day & age Barack n Ben simply type a number and hit a whole bunch of zeros after it an hit send – POOF instant “stimulus” by your all-knowing government) right now as we speak……with no underlying real-world economic activity to back all those $$$

    Do you think this will be “Phucker’d” up enough to bring King Barak down?

  78. 2010 December 15 6:40 pm
    [78]
    drdog09 permalink

    Mullet, 71

    That is fiscal reparations dressed in drag. Many major American cities are now mostly minority controlled. “Ya gesta’ ya Bammy Bucks without callin’ it whut it be!”

  79. 2010 December 15 6:42 pm
    [79]

    KH,

    Palin could let the RINO of 2012 crash and burn then comeback and say…

    told you so!

  80. 2010 December 15 6:44 pm
    [80]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    Can you deep fry a Chipmonk?

    And what exactly is a “Chitlin'”?

    Will we all be eatin’ Chipmonk and Chitlin’ stew when the government takes over feeding us?

    Are Chitlin’ Bake Sales going to be allowed in schools now that Queen Meeechellleee the Nosey has relived all the parents in this country of their responsibility to feed their offspring?

  81. 2010 December 15 6:46 pm
    [81]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #78 Hey Barack, I need a new fridge, new AC, some food, a new pimpin’ ride…..and some cash money!

    How come you aint helpin’ me out Bro?

  82. 2010 December 15 6:51 pm
    [82]

    78 – Obama “Stash” dollars. That clip is priceless…. actually the price is too high to tabulate.

  83. 2010 December 15 6:52 pm
    [83]

    I’m still waiting for the follow up interview with the florida rally women who was on tv talking about how barry was gonna pay her mortgage and other expenses from early September 2008.

    Well she was right about the mortgage.

  84. 2010 December 15 6:56 pm
    [84]
    mulletover permalink

    Pigford I and II wuz walkin’ round money for us farmers.

  85. 2010 December 15 6:59 pm
    [85]

    “Do you think this will be “Phucker’d” up enough to bring King Barak down?”

    I don’t know the public is pretty ignorant in general, even many on our side. I heard a lot of ill informed crap from people voting R during this election too.

    Here’s the real rub ultimately. The US treasury…whats left of it anyway get’s most of it’s cash flow from taxpayers, of which there is a SHRINKING poll.
    http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html

    Some time soon (got like 3-5% left), it will not matter or be reversable short of a true collapse, as there will be more voters then income tax payers and those voters who are not taxpayers have no real incentive to not vote themselves more funds from the public treasury.

  86. 2010 December 15 7:00 pm
    [86]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    “Give ‘dem da wealth! Give ‘dem da wealth!” – V. Jones, noted Authoritrian Thug and Street Hustler

  87. 2010 December 15 7:02 pm
    [87]
    gnqanq permalink

    KH – it will be collapse and it wont be pretty either. Who is going to pay them when there is no one to pay the bill.

  88. 2010 December 15 7:02 pm
    [88]
    mulletover permalink

    With all the talk about earmarks in the omnibus bill, why is no one talking about the billion dollars designated for obamacare and that communist bitch, Sebellius?

    That will kill any effort to defund the bill before 2013, at which time it will be so entwined in our bureaucracy, it will be impossible to dump

    Will someone in DC please wake the **** up?

  89. 2010 December 15 7:06 pm
    [89]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #85 Well, you have the politcal playbook down (buy yourself dependent voters)…….however, the scam is all perpetuated by inflationary (Keysian) monetary intervention by the government…….

    But ya, collapse is a comin’ – you cant pay dependents voters when their is now real wealth left to loot…..

    The post on here WRT to Greece shows that even the most iron-clad dependent voter politcal scheme is essentially a ponzi scheme that works for only a generation or two of voters…..

    Took longer to collapse in this nation cause we “stubbornly” held on to Individual Rights and Free Market economics longer then most nations……we had more built up wealth for the politicans to loot (and dependents to mooch) so the ponzi scheme worked longer….

  90. 2010 December 15 7:07 pm
    [90]

    87 – Community agitators who will run the local protection rackets who will be funded by employing said folks to steal the possessions of those who are not armed.

  91. 2010 December 15 7:10 pm
    [91]
    drdog09 permalink

    That reminds me, I need more 9mm.

  92. 2010 December 15 7:11 pm
    [92]
    bc3b permalink

    McCain, Brown, Snowe, Collins, Voinovich, Bennett, Hatch, Kirk, Alexander, Bond, Graham, Murkowski, Alexander, Lugar, Corker, Cochran – so many RINOs, so little time.

  93. 2010 December 15 7:11 pm
    [93]

    BC,

    I have a funny feeling that Brown will lose in 2012.

  94. 2010 December 15 7:12 pm
    [94]
    gnqanq permalink

    KH – and they will starve as Fred the Farmer refuses to grow their food and the local thug does not have a clue on how to grow wheat or corn.

  95. 2010 December 15 7:13 pm
    [95]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #88 That moronic Authoritrian Skank (Selibussss) repeated the tired Statist me-me that CrappyCare’s government-dictated/run Mandatory Insurance is “like car insurance”….

    Geeesh, these MFO’s never give up their talking points do they?

    Since when did you have to buy a car?

    And car insurance covers the damage you do to OTHERS not your own finincial liability (unless you pay for that too)…….

    Plus people evade the “Mandatory Car Insurance” provision too (in double digits in most states)…….so her bogus and Unconstitutional Mandatory Insurance scam doesnt even work in a practical sense (Individual Rights issues aside)…….

    Essentially, CrappyCare’s mandatory insurance was simply a way for her and the Federal government to institute government run HC by proxy (thru regulation)……and make you pay more for the privledge…..

    And of course Holder said anyone who would go along with government run medical insurance/care and you paying this for the moocher class was a “looter”

    This arse clown authoritrians neve quit!!!!

  96. 2010 December 15 7:13 pm
    [96]
    drdog09 permalink

    This all starting to play out like the pre-stages of the Dark Ages of old. Which means somewhere along the line a Knights Templar like organization will arise. Need to be on that bandwagon.

  97. 2010 December 15 7:13 pm
    [97]
    mulletover permalink

    #93……… and be replaced by a communist.

  98. 2010 December 15 7:13 pm
    [98]

    89 – Indeed sir.

    If your in need of a chuckle – http://drinkingwithbob.com/?p=318

  99. 2010 December 15 7:14 pm
    [99]

    97 Mull,

    Give it a few more months and you will be calling Brown a communist

  100. 2010 December 15 7:15 pm
    [100]

    100!

  101. 2010 December 15 7:15 pm
    [101]
    gnqanq permalink

    drdog – this might be the best show in town. Watching it go down the drain while the dependent class runs around looking for their next meal.

    Funny how all of those gizmos and gadgets worked out for them. Maybe they can e-mail or text each other on where to get the next hot meal or cot.

  102. 2010 December 15 7:16 pm
    [102]

    Too simple to work?
    http://drinkingwithbob.com/?p=312

  103. 2010 December 15 7:16 pm
    [103]
    mulletover permalink

    99 Eph

    Could be, could be.

  104. 2010 December 15 7:17 pm
    [104]

    96 – apt.

  105. 2010 December 15 7:17 pm
    [105]

    mull

    My point is that why would the GOP waste money on RINOs in blue states when they could back conservatives in red states? Like North Dakota, Montana, Ohio, Indiana, etc

  106. 2010 December 15 7:18 pm
    [106]

    we need a new GOP chair that will recognize that too

  107. 2010 December 15 7:18 pm
    [107]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    How about Michelle Bachman for Prez?

    She seems to have a “pair”……not a bad arse either IMHO LOL

  108. 2010 December 15 7:19 pm
    [108]

    Some day I’ll stop saying your so often when I mean you’re (98).

  109. 2010 December 15 7:19 pm
    [109]
    drdog09 permalink

    GN – funny you mention the gizmos and gadgets. VDH had an article today that mentioned folks in Central Valley CA on EBIT trotting around with the latest cell phone in their hands. But it all makes perfect sense you see — the machine is smart so the operator does not have to be.

  110. 2010 December 15 7:19 pm
    [110]
    janzam permalink

    I don’t know if it’s just me, but it seems like votes are beginning to shift in the dem’s favor. DADT is looking more likely to pass, as is SMART, the omnibus Bill, as well as the tax bill. Then there is the Dream Art lurking out there, and another land grab bill sponsored by Barb Boxer that is gaining ground. DeMint has now stepped away from reading the SMART Bill, which I think was brilliant and would have taken up 15 hours of time.

    What is going on?

  111. 2010 December 15 7:19 pm
    [111]

    For the record – I was NEVER on board with Scott Brown. I told you people you would be fools to donate to him.

  112. 2010 December 15 7:20 pm
    [112]
    gnqanq permalink

    drdog – I am looking more and more at dropping off the grid. And just plain disappearing.

  113. 2010 December 15 7:23 pm
    [113]

    Jan,

    A lot of the defeated GOP Senators are “sticking it” to the conservatives in the laim duck.

  114. 2010 December 15 7:23 pm
    [114]

    107 – I was thinking about her earlier today, both on the ticket and as a 3rd party candidate. If you think the Palin smears are bad I’ll bet they’ll conjure up something extra special for her, then again can only worry about the coming hit jobs so much.

  115. 2010 December 15 7:24 pm
    [115]

    Bachman would be a perfect third party if Mitt gets the nomination

  116. 2010 December 15 7:24 pm
    [116]

    111 – Not to worry it ain’t happening again, that was all about trying to stop HellCare more then it was about him.

  117. 2010 December 15 7:24 pm
    [117]

    I wish I was younger, so I could move to tasmania,and tell this country to shove it.

  118. 2010 December 15 7:25 pm
    [118]
    drdog09 permalink

    GN,

    Don’t know your age bracket, but back in my youthful days the going saying was “Turn on, tune in, drop out.” Well its all starting to makes sense — Turn on the Solar Panels. Tune in the Short Wave. Drop out of the fiscal system.

    Go Amish!!

  119. 2010 December 15 7:26 pm
    [119]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    arrrrrr

  120. 2010 December 15 7:27 pm
    [120]

    110 – I don’t know wtf going on with Demint, you don’t throw some red meat out there and then pull it back, unless this (outside of the tax deal) is all just a show being put on for the left. I thought that might be the case till late last week, now it seems they are indeed intent on letting all this crap pass when they CAN stop it if they wanted by simply all walking out.

  121. 2010 December 15 7:28 pm
    [121]
    gnqanq permalink

    drdog – I remember the saying well but it was when I was in my youth (pre teen).

  122. 2010 December 15 7:28 pm
    [122]

    118 – Funny I always thought that was a hippy phrase.

  123. 2010 December 15 7:29 pm
    [123]
    bc3b permalink

    I just sent out an e-mail with this week’s NFL picks. Sorry for being late this week, but the weather in MI has been horrid until today. Even had a minor fender-bender yesterday. Got hit while stopped for a red light. No one was injured and only damage to my rear bumper. Nice 20 year old boy. Felt sorry for him. Winter doesn’t start until next week and we have already used two “snow days” for school kids.

    I’ll have the standings updated first thing tomorrow.

  124. 2010 December 15 7:29 pm
    [124]

    You would think there would be at least a couple of DINO’s to oppose DADT repeal. Lock step automatons. None of this crap would pass in the new congress.

    The demagog-okrat party doesn’t give a damn for representative gubmint,if fact they hold it in contempt,unless of course they hold the cards.This midnight 12th hour cram down exposes their hypocrisy for all time.
    Damn the friggin rinos that help them.

  125. 2010 December 15 7:30 pm
    [125]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #118 The Amish are pimpin’ bro…….

    Their lifestyle is looking really good these days

  126. 2010 December 15 7:30 pm
    [126]

    117 lol

    DeMint caved b/c he wants to go home this weekend for the Christmas break

    He must of made some kind of deal with Reid

  127. 2010 December 15 7:30 pm
    [127]
    gnqanq permalink

    IP – the day may come that those damn RINOs really do regret what they have done. But it will be too late.

  128. 2010 December 15 7:32 pm
    [128]

    Another day ends where I’ll go to bed wishing for someone to assasinate some of our congressional leaders, I’m not even sure that would wake them up anymore. ref:Vince Flynn – Term Limits.

  129. 2010 December 15 7:32 pm
    [129]

    gn,

    Doubt it as most voted for Hussein. Dont forget that

  130. 2010 December 15 7:33 pm
    [130]

    126 – I don’t think so.
    “The Senate plans to work through the weekend to ratify the New START Treaty and a trillion-dollar spending bill to keep the government running.

    The upper chamber is expected to vote on final passage of the tax package shortly after noon Wednesday, which will clear the way for debate to begin on the nuclear arms treaty and the 1,924-page spending bill.

    “We’ll see how things go with this treaty, but it’s clear — I have spoken on many occasions with the Republican leader — we’re going to be in session this Sunday,” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said Wednesday morning. “There is work to do.”” -The Hill ~11am this morning.

  131. 2010 December 15 7:34 pm
    [131]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #124 Rinos, D, Statists…..all the same, Authoritrian eltiests……of course they are voting to loot more and seize more power….

    They feel unconstrained now that the election is done…..those hangin around and making noise are just posin’ for the ignorant…..

    This is just like the “Spector party switch” crap right before CrappyCare…..the talking point for RINOs then was “We oppose it but dont have the votes to stop it”……..gee, how convient eh?

  132. 2010 December 15 7:36 pm
    [132]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #130 the “work” is grabbing more power and loot for themselves……

    The last thing we need is some Authoritrian arse clown like dirty Harry “solving” something for us

  133. 2010 December 15 7:37 pm
    [133]
    mulletover permalink

    Demint did not cave. He announced he would request the reading of the START bill, and Reid agreed to delay the debate for one day (equal to the time of reading the bill.) Demint got his delay, ate up some time, and shelved the request.

    Demint will still request the reading of the omnibus bill and anything else he can to run out the clock.

    He is one of the few who is fighting this bull$hit with all he’s got.

    I think he is the best senator on the Hill.

  134. 2010 December 15 7:38 pm
    [134]

    “I think he is the best senator on the Hill.”

    yupper

  135. 2010 December 15 7:38 pm
    [135]

    DeMint cant run out the clock though if they stay in session up to the 24th…or beyond

  136. 2010 December 15 7:39 pm
    [136]

    Just occurred to me I keep saying things like ‘3rd party’, I really should reference it more accurately at this point as a 2nd party.

  137. 2010 December 15 7:42 pm
    [137]

    KH,

    I can see a Hussein/Romney/Bachman race shaping up like the Colorado Governors race from last month

  138. 2010 December 15 7:42 pm
    [138]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

  139. 2010 December 15 7:42 pm
    [139]
    gnqanq permalink

    Eph – believe me, they will regret it.

  140. 2010 December 15 7:43 pm
    [140]

    Whatever happened to the senate proceedure that allowed one senator to place a “hold” on legislation?

  141. 2010 December 15 7:43 pm
    [141]
    mulletover permalink

    One more clarification to #133.

    Reid had previously announced he was going to start debate on both the tax bill and START to run concurrently, trying himself to pick up a day.

    Demint killed that with the reading request.

    I don’t understand these arcane rules, but that’s apparently the way the Senate works.

    Or doesn’t work.

  142. 2010 December 15 7:43 pm
    [142]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #136 Thats a very true observation…..

    #137 That one didnt turn out so well for the supporters of Liberty did it lol

  143. 2010 December 15 7:45 pm
    [143]

    142 No but it will put the GOP out of business for good. Hussein will win and more conservatives will get elected to Congress. That is how I see 2012 right now.

  144. 2010 December 15 7:46 pm
    [144]
    mulletover permalink

    # 140

    I think that’s in committee wherein at least one minority member on the committee must vote yea to move a bill out to the senate floor.

    Harry is avoiding committee work these days some way.

    Scurrilous bastard.

  145. 2010 December 15 7:51 pm
    [145]
    bc3b permalink

    I’d vote for Bachmann (GOP or Third Party).

  146. 2010 December 15 7:59 pm
    [146]

    137 – hahahahaa good one

  147. 2010 December 15 7:59 pm
    [147]

    I think that’s in committee wherein at least one minority member on the committee must vote yea to move a bill out to the senate floor.

    Harry is avoiding committee work these days some way.

    Scurrilous bastard.

    That only exists in the juidciary committee.

  148. 2010 December 15 8:00 pm
    [148]

    140 – I don’t know maybe they got tired of Demint sort of abusing it… lol and are just ignoring it.

  149. 2010 December 15 8:01 pm
    [149]

    146 KH,

    Give that race another week and Tancredo probably wins.

  150. 2010 December 15 8:02 pm
    [150]

    147 – Nah it applied to whatever committee dipsh1t snowe was on re healthcare, I think that case it was the finance committee, least we forget she was the R vote to get it out of committee

  151. 2010 December 15 8:03 pm
    [151]

    In all seriousness, if Bachman would threaten third party, Mitt would put her on as VP.

  152. 2010 December 15 8:03 pm
    [152]

    149 – Would have been sort of amazing had that happened.

  153. 2010 December 15 8:04 pm
    [153]

    KH,

    Cant you see the parallels????

    Hickenlooper = Hussein
    Maes =Romney
    Tancredo = Bachman

  154. 2010 December 15 8:04 pm
    [154]

    2010 December 15 8:02 pm
    [150] KnightHawk permalink

    147 – Nah it applied to whatever committee dipsh1t snowe was on re healthcare, I think that case it was the finance committee, least we forget she was the R vote to get it out of committee

    I researched it, it only applies in the judiciary committee.

  155. 2010 December 15 8:06 pm
    [155]

    “That only exists in the juidciary committee.” – your thinking of nomination holds though. Fox did some piece, think it was Greta back in sept where demint had put the entire senate on notice that he was blanket hold on all legislation unless it cleared his office first, kinda pissed of both sides.

  156. 2010 December 15 8:06 pm
    [156]

    The only reason they wanted snowe to sign on, was to have the illusion of “bi partisanship”
    The traitorous bitch wore out 3 sets of knee pads on the committee room floor.

  157. 2010 December 15 8:07 pm
    [157]

    Sure I can EPH that’s why I laughed, as barry wins again.

  158. 2010 December 15 8:08 pm
    [158]

    157 KH,

    I think Barry wins regardless

  159. 2010 December 15 8:08 pm
    [159]

    Do the DADT yes votes get a free pair of pads with their votes?

  160. 2010 December 15 8:09 pm
    [160]

    This thread (like my Johnson in the morning) keeps on growing!

  161. 2010 December 15 8:10 pm
    [161]

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/jim-demint-plans-to-grind-senate-to-a-halt.php

    … it’s not a real hold, it’s a delaying type hold they can get around him just takes more time and making things a pita.

  162. 2010 December 15 8:11 pm
    [162]

    TPM? Why not link KOS?? LOL

  163. 2010 December 15 8:13 pm
    [163]

    EPH – He’s quick with a joke or to light up your smoke.

    Now only if he could get me my drinks for free. 😉

  164. 2010 December 15 8:15 pm
    [164]

    I only tell dirty or racist jokes when JM is hiding.

  165. 2010 December 15 8:15 pm
    [165]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #162 I hate KOS Plants……they suck RINO arse

  166. 2010 December 15 8:17 pm
    [166]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #164 Well we do have “Our money for nothin'” in this country thanks to “Liberally” creating it out of thin air!

  167. 2010 December 15 8:17 pm
    [167]
    drdog09 permalink

    Take to market suggestion — If Obammy wins a second term, take a position in options on any available arms mfr. It will be a repeat of ’09 for the munitions dealers.

  168. 2010 December 15 8:18 pm
    [168]

    WEC,

    There are a bunch of KOS plants sites out there:

    Outside the Beltway, Talking Points Memo, The Daily Beast, HHR, etc.

    Take caution for which sites you visit.

  169. 2010 December 15 8:19 pm
    [169]
    mulletover permalink

    I would print off the Daily Kos and HuffPo home pages to paper the bottom of the bird cage.

    If I had a bird.

    Besides the one I flash at Bill O’Reilly.

  170. 2010 December 15 8:19 pm
    [170]

    A bunch of wussies at HHR that’s for sure.

  171. 2010 December 15 8:20 pm
    [171]

    IP,

    Take a bet on when Wussing goes Charles Johnson????

  172. 2010 December 15 8:23 pm
    [172]

    IP,

    $10 says Wussing votes for Hussein over Palin too

    Although I dont know how we would know for sure

  173. 2010 December 15 8:27 pm
    [173]

    Do not ever fking call me a KOS plant.

    162 – It was the very first link that turned up in google for “Demint blanket hold” – go try it yourself.

  174. 2010 December 15 8:28 pm
    [174]

    172 – Not taking that bet it’s a loser bet.

  175. 2010 December 15 8:28 pm
    [175]

    KH,

    Just go to his Senate home page next time.

  176. 2010 December 15 8:30 pm
    [176]
    drdog09 permalink

    Navy was sandbagging with the ONR railgun demo. There is another called Blitzer that might be weapons ready much sooner — http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/15/blitzer_trials/. Only a Mach 5 projectile tho.

  177. 2010 December 15 8:30 pm
    [177]

    175 – no, takes far more time.

  178. 2010 December 15 8:31 pm
    [178]

    KH,

    The only way I go to TPM is if they have directions to Jenna Haze’s house

  179. 2010 December 15 8:32 pm
    [179]

    176 – I though they just hit like 36mj last week (navy), ehhh we’re probably talks about the same thing; slashdot had the story some time last week.

  180. 2010 December 15 8:33 pm
    [180]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #168 Thats good info…..lots of KOS Plants spreading Statist BS/disinformation out there…..now we have this “No Labels” KOS Plant bunch to deal with too

  181. 2010 December 15 8:34 pm
    [181]

    Frankly Eph I didn’t even notice where it was, I clicked it and read for what I was looking for in reference to my prior comment about seeing something on fox in September to make sure my memory wasn’t failing and passed it along.

  182. 2010 December 15 8:35 pm
    [182]

    WEC,

    Do what I do. Put your mouse arrow over the link to see the link preview.

    If its a scum site then dont open.

  183. 2010 December 15 8:36 pm
    [183]

    nm dr. the register is in fact talking about the same test.

  184. 2010 December 15 8:43 pm
    [185]

    I was thinking of applications for missile defense both theater and global…. course who knows where that may be headed after this bs treaty passes.

  185. 2010 December 15 8:43 pm
    [186]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #182 Do the KOS Plants track you if you log on to the scum site…….like put you on the “enemies of the State” list or something?

    I dunno how this internet survelence scheme the FCC is unleahing works really…..from a technical perspective that is……from the perpective of political power, I know exactly how its supposed to work: supress free speech

  186. 2010 December 15 8:47 pm
    [187]

    What is this “free press” you speak of??

  187. 2010 December 15 8:47 pm
    [188]

    Jesus and I thought I was overly paranoid, you guys gotta take it down from a 10 to 9 on the site paranoia…

  188. 2010 December 15 8:50 pm
    [189]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #187 actually its free speech……..their is no such thing as a “free press” as it reeks with personal bias…..

    #188 I’m trying to educate myself on if there is anything to get paranoid about……I admit I dont know too much about what can be done WRT to that stuff on the internet

  189. 2010 December 15 9:01 pm
    [190]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    “The modern-day central banking economy, when combined with Western “regulatory democracy” mixes up a noxious brew of authoritarian manifestations. Mainly, society itself is configured around very large quasi-statist industrial enterprises. The profile has been called “fascism” or even “socialism” though the “ism” really doesn’t matter. The point is that such larger enterprises tend to be very unwieldy and put an emphasis on rote production rather than innovation or flexibility.

    In such an environment, people’s internal existences are bound to be unsatisfactory because the system in which they work and live is geared toward the destruction of the very culture that they hold dear. Cleverly, the system as constructed makes people participate in their own demise (metaphorically speaking, anyway). The harder people work and the more they participate, the more centralized, authoritarian and dysfunctional the larger nation-state becomes. The better a job people do, the worse it gets.

    The public school system in the West is deliberately positioned to produce dumbed-down graduates. Industry in Western countries is so hamstrung by various regulations and tax provisions that those participating are actually helping to make them uncompetitive. Those who work in the public sector are also helping destroy the fabric of the culture that has nurtured their families in the past. The Anglosphere’s organization of society has acquired the unwilling cooperation of the citizenry.”

    http://www.thedailybell.com/1602/Wests-Employment-Dysfunction.html

  190. 2010 December 15 9:02 pm
    [191]

    If NSA or for that matter your ISP want to track you then your getting tracked almost regardless of what you do to some extent unless you want to start using multiple level of proxies which frankly for this sort of thing is beyond paranoid unless say your an elected official trying to stay anonymous. No TMP,HHR,KOS etc… ain’t tracking your every move.

  191. 2010 December 15 9:04 pm
    [192]

    That said btw be very worried about what is currently bottled up in comittee on this topic as I suspect the GOP will have no objections in the new session under the guise of “justice and terrorism” they’ll ref wikileaks etc… it’s all bs it’ll be about control plain and simple.

  192. 2010 December 15 9:11 pm
    [193]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    “But this doesn’t apply to having to cope with most of one’s illnesses. A viral infection need not have come from someone else, nor a broken leg or nosebleed or upset stomach. When these occur people are supposed to be prepared to deal with it all, including foot the cost of getting them taken care of.

    Other people should not be placed into involuntary servitude so as to bail one out of either bad luck or misconduct that creates medical problems for one.

    It is always a puzzle to me that so many people who are notoriously righteous about the past enslavement of millions of people around the globe, including in America, have no compunction about partially enslaving others so as to get their own agendas fulfilled.

    But if slavery is wrong, then so is imposing on others the negative consequences of one’s own life, just as it is wrong to deprive people of the positive consequences of the same.

    This is the central issue in so many public policy debates not only in our time but from time immemorial.

    People are not for other people to be used against their will. Never, nohow, under no circumstances.

    Until this is learned good and hard everywhere, the world will be very far from having become truly civilized.”

    http://www.thedailybell.com/1601/Tibor-Machan-A-Stupid-Analogy.html

  193. 2010 December 15 9:14 pm
    [194]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #192 Thanks for the info……but I still hate KOS PLants like ? and rino shills lol……your correct about the many internet censorship stuff being banted about by the Statists in the FCC and in Congress…..your also likely correct in your prediction that this wikileaks stuff will be used as an excuse for a government “clampdown” on the internet!

  194. 2010 December 15 9:28 pm
    [195]
    drdog09 permalink

    If ya are worried about the Feds tracking ya, then you won’t own a cell phone. That would be the first thing to ditch. On the ‘Net one would be better off picking up some DSoS skills so you can take over a couple of machines as zombies and use them as proxies via their owners own email system.

    KH,

    I was not aware of the Blitzer gun, just the ONR one that hit the wires this week. But I am starting to understand the navy’s interest in PolyWell fusion work. You want to have a God awful lot of juice to drive these things in a compact package.

  195. 2010 December 15 9:41 pm
    [196]
    drdog09 permalink

    Ok, Instapundit has this up — http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/111508/

    So is this telegraphing that the administration considers it likely that there is already a nuclear device deployed in the US not under DoD control?

  196. 2010 December 15 9:46 pm
    [197]

    WEC dead on as usual.

    Random aside:
    You know WEC you remind me somewhat of a poster at Polipundit during I guess I’d call it the earlier days, his name was Merle Adams an older fellow but he was far more hopeful then you about the future though he similarly saw things just as clear and had great context of history. I lost touch with Merle, I hope he’s still alive and posting somewhere, days like today are when I could use some of his sober but hopeful posts.

    Dr. – Exactly on the Polywell.

  197. 2010 December 15 10:01 pm
    [198]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #197 Well, I appreciate the positive vibes I get from talking with good folks like you and others here on BJG….

    However, considering the size and scope of the Statist power grab like what was happening in Congress today, its hard for me to stay positive about the future…..

    So many folks, including some who consider themselves “solid” conservatives, real have a grip on what is really happening and what has to be done to avoid collapse and enslavement……

    They are so used to having Authoritiran government interventions being foisted as “necessary” and “fixes” that alot of good folks just dont think twice about accepting them as the natural order of things…….or as a proper function of government in a free socitety….

    I get frustrated alot too as I dont write or talk nearly well enough to get through to them……

    So much good could happen if people would just open there minds to the possibilities that freedom presents…….and trust their fellow man like they do themselves…..

    And WTF is a Polywell lol

    Add that thing to the list of stuff I dont know about…..like the Chitlin’ lol

  198. 2010 December 15 10:15 pm
    [199]

    WEC I’m not saying you should be trying to stay positive, lord knows there’s no fking reason too.. I was just saying that guy nack for ending his post with some sort of reason to be hopeful… in a sort of “this too shall pass” way that didn’t always work but made me at least think hey… this guy’s been around alot longer then me, seen a lot more then me may just maybe he knows something I don’t. Then again last post of his I read was regarding Tarp circa October 2008 so given what’s happened since perhaps he might be so hopeful.

    “I get frustrated alot too as I dont write or talk nearly well enough to get through to them……”

    Ditto.

    A polywell is a type of fusion reactor design.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polywell – for the basic overview though there is plenty more info on the net if it interests you. Still a little pie in the sky atm, but compared to some other projects it’s cheap as hell to keep toying around with.

  199. 2010 December 15 10:16 pm
    [200]

    200! I didn’t know what a Chitlin was either. 😉

  200. 2010 December 15 10:20 pm
    [201]

    196 – from article: “But a problem for the Obama administration is how to spread the word without seeming alarmist about a subject ”

    Umm.. hello duck and cover… granted we didn’t get that routine in school by the time I came around, but I’ll be dammed if just about everyone in america doesn’t know from watching TV and crap the last 30 years that pending a nuke blast it’s best to get into the basement or anywhere else that might shield you from blast and later the fallout if you in the wind path.

  201. 2010 December 15 10:23 pm
    [202]

    Am I the only one that’s used this for general planning purposes?

    http://www.carloslabs.com/projects/200712B/GroundZero.html
    For the paranoid it’s just a google map calculator, you enter your city, pick the weapon size it’ll show you the general blast and certainty of death zones.

  202. 2010 December 15 10:24 pm
    [203]

    opps sorry this is the update one.
    http://www.carloslabs.com/node/20

    lets you see pressure\thermal and fallout.

  203. 2010 December 16 5:36 am
    [204]
    MI Conservative permalink

    HAPPY BOSTON TEA PARTY ANNIVERSARY!!!!!!! Dec 16th!!!!!!

  204. 2010 December 16 6:13 am
    [205]
    drdog09 permalink

    Hey, I lived thru the duck and cover era. I remember the shelves at the supermarket being stripped bare when the Cuban missile crisis was at its height.

  205. 2010 December 16 6:22 am
    [206]

    Post 203 I like the choice of target. 🙂 very apropos

  206. 2010 December 16 6:26 am
    [207]
    drdog09 permalink

    Another 10% and we have enough of the body politic to start a revolution.

  207. 2010 December 16 6:31 am
    [208]
    drdog09 permalink

    206,

    Yeah, but it surprised me that I had to get into the 10mt range to take out all of foggy bottom.

  208. 2010 December 16 6:33 am
    [209]
    drdog09 permalink

  209. 2010 December 16 6:38 am
    [210]

  210. 2010 December 16 6:49 am
    [211]
    drdog09 permalink

    Jeez, great follow thru with the chair. And we think the Frogs are such panzies. Vive La France!

  211. 2010 December 16 7:08 am
    [212]

    For all you pencefans out there

  212. 2010 December 16 7:12 am
    [213]
    beej permalink

    If not Palin, Who?

    And for those who automatically think in response to that with ‘she can’t win the general’ think about Reagan, and HIS polls, right up to the end. And it’s the end that counts.

  213. 2010 December 16 7:20 am
    [214]

    For all you palin fans out there

  214. 2010 December 16 7:22 am
    [215]
    drdog09 permalink

    Love you beej, no truer words, have you uttered.

    Oh, and it looks like pence is turning into a banana. That’s amnesty he’s pushing sans the word itself.

  215. 2010 December 16 7:34 am
    [216]

    .

    Oh, and it looks like palin is turning into a banana. That’s amnesty she’s pushing sans the word itself.

  216. 2010 December 16 7:42 am
    [217]
    beej permalink

    Well drat, IP. She has to lay out her plan, and if it is amnesty in any one of the many disguises it takes, then I don’t want her either.

    What I liked about her, among many things, was that I didn’t think she talked out of both sides of her mouth. If she begins to do that, if she begins to sound like any other establishment GOPer then it’s not going to be worth the fight to support her, cause it would be a fight.

  217. 2010 December 16 7:48 am
    [218]

    Well drat, IP. ~~~~> funny way you have of spelling phuque. 😆

  218. 2010 December 16 8:18 am
    [219]
    JustMary permalink

    #196 Well…….my feelings lean towards Long Beach- the ports. Have thought that for a while.

    Dad had me watch Panic in year zero last year- and while the music was arguably the scariest thing about that movie, the premise was pretty good. Hopefully we’d be ready for a camping trip right at the exact moment (:P)……but what the movie did do was essentially give you a grocery list of things to buy if you needed to hunker down.

  219. 2010 December 16 8:57 am
    [220]

    Plant the next one in wash D.C.

  220. 2010 December 16 2:08 pm
    [221]

    213 – It’s not polling that entirely drives my thought process. Reagan \= Palin, and that isn’t a shot, just the truth.

    212 – if you recall he tried a middle ground proposal in the past – didn’t go so well.

    These people are driving me nuts.

  221. 2010 December 16 4:08 pm
    [222]
    beej permalink

    I know palin doesn’t = Reagan. Just saying the polling before and during the campaigns for that election never had Reagan winning. And the ‘elites’ of the time, if I remember rightly, had thoughts about Reagan like the elites of today have about Palin. Just pointing out the similarity.

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