Did We Avert an Even Worse Tragedy with Obama?

2012 March 15
by bc3b

What could possibly be worse than a Barack Obama presidency? The country’s debt is growing at a record pace. While the official unemployment is at 8.3 percent, millions go uncounted as they have stopped looking for work. Gas is expected to cost $5 a gallon by the summer. The racial divide is greater than at any time in recent history. New federal regulations are issued every day. What could possibly be worse?

Perhaps a McCain presidency. It is doubtful that the economy would have been much different had McCain been elected President, yet, even with a Democratic Congress, the GOP would have been blamed for the economy and everything else by the media had McCain been elected. The Tea Party probably would not exist. If there’s one thing Barack Obama has accomplished, it’s to unite conservatives like no one else could.

Would a McCain administration be any different or higher quality than McCain’s campaign team? Anyone can hire incompetents, I have hired a few in my day. But, hiring people like Steve Schmidt and Nicolle Wallace … people who not only are incompetent but also totally lack moral character, integrity, decency and honesty … that’s not easy. In fact, Schmidt and the Wallaces probably would have played major roles in a McCain administration. People like Lindsey Graham would have become key advisers. Liberals and moderates in the administration would have done everything possible to marginalize Vice President Sarah Palin.

The U.S. probably would have become the world’s safety patrol and become involved in police actions and “nation building” in many more places around the world.

It’s probably more likely that “comprehensive immigration reform” might have been enacted.

As he always has done, President McCain would have “reached across the aisle,” worked with liberals and betrayed conservatives.

The media attack on McCain and the GOP would have been relentless. Rather than the GOP recapturing the House and making gains in the Senate in 2010, the Democrats likely would have increased congressional majorities and the Democrats would probably be on their way toward a landslide victory in 2012.

On the plus side, McCain’s judicial appointments would have been better, the country’s debt would be lower and his energy policies would have been more sane. It also might have spelled the demise of the Republican Party, which may not have been a bad thing.

All a McCain presidency would have done (in my opinion) is to have delayed the election of a leftist like Barack Obama for four years. I believe we actually are better off facing our “day of reckoning” now. Better to be fighting that war earlier than later; battling Obama now rather than battling Obama or another leftist President from 2013-2016.

What are your thoughts?

 

76 Responses leave one →
  1. 2012 March 15 7:01 am
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    justrand permalink

    “Did We Avert an Even Worse Tragedy with Obama?”

    No…emphatically.

    Occaisionally an airline crash is shown to be the result of “human error”…and it is obviously a tragedy. Then there’s 9/11, when there was NO “human error”…the animals flying the planes did their jobs perfectly.

    McCain might have doomed us through “human error”…Obama is TRYING to fly us into a building!

    Intent matters…a lot.

  2. 2012 March 15 7:16 am
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    bc3b permalink

    I am not saying that Obama would have been a better President than McCain, but simply that the effect that likely would have followed a one-term McCain presidency could have been far worse.

    My point is that McCain would have poisoned the well. The Democrats would have controlled Congress and Obama, Hillary or someone else as bad would have likely been elected in 2012 and we would be fighting the fight that we are today at that time.

    The GOP would have been in total shambles. That might not necessarily be a bad thing.

    Had McCain been elected the country would have continued to drift left (as McCain would have cut deals with the Democrats), just not as quickly.

    He would likely have been a one-termer like Bush 41. The difference is that we would be fighting the battles we fought since 2009 in the 2012-16 time frame.

    As bad as a President Romney would be (if he wins the nomination and the election), he would not be as bad as a President McCain.

    The major mistake Obama, Pelosi and Reid made was not passing amnesty when they had control of Congress. Remember, the only reason the DREAM Act failed is because it came up for a vote shortly after Scott Brown was sworn in and he was the deciding vote.

    Remember: ObamaCare or anything else can be overturned. Amnesty cannot.

    I am for fighting the battle now. In four years there will be far more voters that have been recently indoctrinated by the publik skuuls and many of today’s Tea Party members will be enjoying their ultimate reward.

  3. 2012 March 15 7:26 am
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    bc3b permalink

    Here’s my St. Patrick’s Day President for Eph:

    http://www.torontosun.com/sunshine-girl/2012/03/14/ashley

    Today’s Sunshine Girl: scnatilly clad (but not scantilly enough to get me banned by JM) with guns and no tattoos. She does wear glasses, but hopefully Eph won’t notice.

  4. 2012 March 15 7:28 am
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    justrand permalink

    nope.

    Obama has empowered EVERY Agency, Department and Bureaucratic offshoot to overreach…and they have. He has directed the DOJ to ignore and/or directly support his Imperial intentions, and to foment Racial warfare. He has neutered the Congress, and set the precedent of completely bypassing Senatorial oversight whenever it suits him. IF Obama is re-elected, he will place 2-3 FAR-Left zealots on the Supreme Court, which will inoculate him from any and all actions he takes to wipe away our Constitutional Rights!

    Things would have eroded under a McCain Presidency, but we would NOT now be facing an election that might well spell the end of our Republic.

  5. 2012 March 15 7:40 am
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    bc3b permalink

    JR –

    I am not comparing a McCain presidency versus an Obama presidency, but what I view as likely outcomes between 2009 and 2020.

    A McCain presidency would have lasted one term put the GOP and conservatives (I know McCain isn’t a conservative, but the media would have identified him as such) in a far bigger hole than Bush 41 did and what followed a McCain presidency could have been even worse.

    We are losing opinion battles on gay marriage and other issues that we would have easily won in 1980, 2000 and even as late as 2004 as more people who have been indoctrinated by the U.S. education system and more immigrants become voters and as the media continues to shape public opinion.

    IMHO it is far better to be waging the war we are fighting now than four years from now.

  6. 2012 March 15 7:44 am
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    3 The lenses are workin bro

  7. 2012 March 15 7:46 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    Well BC, refreshing to hear you consider something that I suggested four years ago. Back then I was recommending that we should let the Dims win the Presidency. Only I thought it would have been Hillary not Obama representing the Dims version of Hoover.

    Once TARP had been signed off on, half the die was cast to what we have seen, are seeing. The foreign adventurism would have been more widespread with McCain. Palin would have been sidelined and not the force she is today. The political outcome of 2010 may never have materialized and Pelosi might still be Speaker. (Ick!)

    Bottom line is, we were headed for a dip in the road no matter who was driving as neither ’08 candidate was willing to step out of the car and look for a different direction.

  8. 2012 March 15 7:55 am
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    drdog09 permalink

  9. 2012 March 15 7:57 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    bc3b — When I was married to my ex-husband I did not sit around telling myself that if I have married the other guy my marriage/life would have sucked MORE.

    I focused my attention on
    (1) Getting out of my rotten marriage,

    (2) LEARNING what were the errors I made that caused me to marry the wrong person,

    (3) ADMITTING to myself that “the other guy” was just as flawed in other ways, and

    (4) VOWING to use some common sense, emotional intelligence and PICK A BETTER MATE next time, and not just a different version of Rotten First Husband and Rotten Other Guy.

    I don’t need to rationalize why I am better off in taking on Obama and his ilk now versus later.

    Battling Obama now requires only consideration … am I battling him with the “Right Guy” or just some flawed other guy who I’ll come to regret 4/8 years from now after suffering through another disappointing marriage.

  10. 2012 March 15 7:58 am
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    justrand permalink

    McCain, for all his worthlessness, did NOT have as his intent “Fundamentally transforming the United States of America”…and would NOT have been allowed by the media to rule as a Dictator.

    The ONLY reason Obama is ruling as a (more or less) “benevolent” dictator now is that he needs to reelected. If he IS, then the “benevolent” part will go away.

    The media watchdogs a Republican…sometiems unfairly (in W’s case)…but at least they do SOME investigations. Then do much less if any under a Democrat…and have done NONE under Obama. Hell, they actively HIDDEN Obama mistakes, and re-written history for him!

    Folks, McCain might well have steered us into an “iceberg”…Obama is shooting the survivors (except his donors, of course)!

  11. 2012 March 15 8:01 am
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    justrand permalink

    judy, that would like consoling yourself that “life wouldn’t have been a bed of roses with the other guy either“…as your husband was burying you alive in the backyard.

    McCain = Mr. Magoo
    Obama = Charles Manson

    any questions??

  12. 2012 March 15 8:01 am
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    bc3b permalink

    drdog09 #7 – great minds think alike.

    The fact that John McCain selected Steve Schmidt, a guy who flunked out of the University of Delaware (hardly a difficult school), supposedly has a learning disability and had a losing record as a campaign manager (Schwarzenegger was his only successful candidate) to manage what should have been the most important campaign speaks volumes about his judgement … as does the numerous planes he crashed as a Navy pilot.

  13. 2012 March 15 8:09 am
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    bc3b permalink

    JR –
    Folks, McCain might well have steered us into an “iceberg”…Obama is shooting the survivors (except his donors, of course)!

    You keep missing my point. I am looking at things long term. We are in a war for the survival of the country. The Obama pResidency is one battle in that war, allbeit an important one.

    In my humble opinion, what followed a disasterous McCain presidency could even be worse. And conservatives would be disorganized. Just as Bush 43 (who was a moderate) didn’t rile conservatives up and get them organized, a McCain Presidency wouldn’t have either. But, Obama sure did.

    To Judy’s point: Reagan set the stage for another Republican (admittedly a poor choice, but another Republican). Bush 41 set the stage for Clinton and Bush 43 set the stage for Democratic control of Congress and Obamanation.

    Bush 43 could have halted the country’s shift toward the left. Instead he teamed with Kennedy on No Child Left behind, kept ANWR off limits, spent money like a drunken sailor and refused to veto anything.

    P.S. Positive things come out of disasters. Prior to the Titanic, the lifeboat capacity of most ships (like the Titanic) was far less than the capacity of the ship (passengers and crew). The Titanic sinking changed that.

  14. 2012 March 15 8:18 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    NO BC3B — Why was Bush 41 in the position to set the stage for Clinton… because the GOP elites pushed him on Reagan as VEEP

    Lesson to learn… DON’T LET THE ELITES PUSH CANDIDATES ON CONSERVATIVES.

    I don’t need to sit around and ponder if a “worse tragedy” was averted, I need to focus my attention on making sure that (1) someone like McCain is never the GOP nominee again (2) Elites do not saddle conservatives with RINO/NeoCons, and (3) Obama and his ilk are sent to the graveyard of political existence with the earth salted onto of their political remains.

  15. 2012 March 15 8:24 am
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    justrand permalink

    bc3b: “You keep missing my point. I am looking at things long term. “

    you keep missing mine…if Obama wins in 2012 there IS NO LONG TERM.

    In the 18 months following his re-election Obama would indeed do some “Gangsta shit!” Every bit of this and more:
    – Accelerate the actions of the EPA, FCC, SEC and DOJ to extend control of every aspect of American life
    – Stifle dissent and discourse by shutting down TalkRadio and Conservative blogs under whatever pretext he chose
    – “Recess appoint” radicals to every position now open…and pretty much openly dare the Congress to do anything about it
    – Appoint at least TWO Radical Supreme Court Justices…and ram them through regardless of who controls Congress by using the only media left standing: HIS
    – Further cripple the American military, in size, resources and morale
    – Abandon Israel, South Korea and Taiwan…openly
    – Declare the United States judicial system subordinate to International Law
    – Distribute “Reparations” to African-Americans…regardless of where he “created” the money from
    – Sieze 401ks and IRAs (yes, this would cripple the economy…but that IS the plan)
    – Declare Martial Law and suspend the 2014 elections…also suspending the 1st, 2nd and 4th Amendments

    Even 2 years ago I would have called anyone who predicted such things “crazy”!. Now, I wonder if I’ve gone far enough.

  16. 2012 March 15 8:26 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    Yesterday chatting with a new “friend/fellow commuter” and discussed her job.

    She works for an organization with a ZERO political appointee who is so convinced that all white people constantly discriminate against non-whites (read blacks) that any number of organizations across the US have been selected, NOT RANDOMLY, for investigation. These investigations are not initiated after receipt of any complaints, evidence, circumstances, or facts… but just because this political appointee wants them investigated. Results to date — No findings of any discrimination…. but she is still looking.

    The Brown Shirts are already in this administration several layers deep and going to full bore after those they view as political enemies.

    Lenin, Stalin, & Mao must be so proud and Nixon is wondering why he is so slandered when he just had a little enemies list developed when people were protesting against him on a daily basis.

    And bc3b is wondering if we adverted a worse tragedy.

    WAKE UP DUDE!!!!

  17. 2012 March 15 8:31 am
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    justrand permalink

    bc3b: “Positive things come out of disasters. Prior to the Titanic, the lifeboat capacity of most ships (like the Titanic) was far less than the capacity of the ship (passengers and crew). The Titanic sinking changed that.”

    WTF???

    Barack as Captain of the Titanic, addressing the passengers just before the ship strikes the iceberg:
    “Attention passengers and crew…this is Captain Obama. In a few moments we will be striking an iceberg, and most of you will die. I am doing this deliberately to protest the disparity between the lifeboat capacity of cruise ships and the number of people on board. Please know that you will have not have died in vain, as this will certainly cause this situation to be rectified on future ships! Thank you, and have a pleasant afterlife”

  18. 2012 March 15 8:32 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    BC, 13,

    Bush 43 worst policy decision was not pushing SS reform by partially privatizing it. Had he set the stage for Congress to focus on that goal they would not have had the cycle time for the Obamacare legislation. Upon a successful conclusion of that legislation there would have been no turning back as Medicare/Medicad would have been eventually phased out and the existence of those two programs is a cornerstone for enabling Obamacare as a system. Knowing that M/M would be going away would have been a barrier to entry of considering any socialized medical system.

  19. 2012 March 15 8:33 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    OK Judy, what do we name the third party? That is the only way you are going to break the cycle of sELECTED candidates from the GOP.

  20. 2012 March 15 8:36 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    17,

    Guaranteed that slime is not going down with the ship. I see the chopper hovering over the fantail now.

  21. 2012 March 15 8:41 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    The international SWIFT money transfer system has terminated service with Iran — http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4203575,00.html

    Wonder what they know??

  22. 2012 March 15 8:46 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    Thanks DrDog … when the money stops moving back and forth something is up.

  23. 2012 March 15 8:52 am
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    For the nerds in da house.
    Researchers Send ‘Wireless’ Message Using a Beam of Neutrinos
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120314143146.htm

    Interesting feat, course it’ll be likely be many decades, if ever, for any practical communication uses they speak about in article.

    As to the top post:
    We’ll never really know how a McCain presidency would have turned out with any certainty, outside of the intent aspects JR mentions I come down on the side of thinking it would not have worked out well for the republican party, as for America on the whole perhaps marginally better, perhaps marginally worse, depends on your perspective, top concerns, and what’s in store for the pending second term. Judy has it right in post 14, focus should be elsewhere at the moment, but she also highlights with her #1 why it’s not a total waste to ponder – it can aid in preventing republican candidates in the future where there is any real question on these matter as a whole.

  24. 2012 March 15 8:56 am
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    bc3b permalink

    Bush 43 had the opportunity to accomplish so much with Republican control of Congress for six full years; yet he accomplished so little.

    I believe we would have been better off had Kerry won in 2004. Obama wouldn’t be President today. Either Kerry would be serving his second term or, more likely, you’d have a Republican in office.

  25. 2012 March 15 8:57 am
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    justrand permalink

    my last add on the subject…for today

    if Obama is re-elected then 2016 does NOT matter. Hell, I don’t think Obama would even allow elections…unless they were to enshrine him as President for Life.

    btw…my predictions above are what OBAMA would do. What Americans would do who didn’t like his boot on their necks…that’s the flip side!

  26. 2012 March 15 8:57 am
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    brucefdb permalink

    This is from today’s gospel reading:

    My one command to them was this: Listen to my voice, then I will be your God and you shall be my people. In everything, follow the way that I mark out for you, and you shall prosper.

    But they have not listened to me, have not paid attention; they have deliberately resisted, behaving worse than their ancestors.

    All you have to do is turn on your tv to see how morally bankrupt this country has become….a house divided against itself will not stand.

    The bottom line is it will take God’s help to save this country from destruction. Do we deserve to be saved? Is Mitt Romney the kind of leader that can stand up to the culture of death?

    Obama is the leader the people wanted, the False Prophet and the Father of Lies. And he lies more easily than anyone I have ever seen. This is War.

  27. 2012 March 15 8:59 am
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    justrand permalink

    sorry…now we would have better off if Kerry won too????

    ok, Uncle.

    We’ll be better off if Obama wins in 2012 and then declares himself President for Life. Whew…I see the light, Brothers and Sisters!!! We NEED Democrats in the White House.

    bye…I gotta go throw up

  28. 2012 March 15 9:00 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    Help, help, help….

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/14/Cassandra%20Butts%20Obama%20Advisor%20Bell%20Devotee%20Packing%20the%20Bench

    I usually am pretty good at translating what people say into what they meant to say and finding the hidden and not so hidden intent in speech, but for the life of me I cannot find a coherent point in this inarticulate rambling.

    We’re asking simply for a person of color or someone who’s underrepresented here. We’re asking for people of color who have a scholarship that has a particular perspective on the law. We’re not divorcing the fact that we’re asking for people of color from their colorship [sic] and that is the way it is being perceived. And it’s really, it’s very safe, and it’s very easy for you to make the claim that there is a diverse faculty and the diversity is a diversity of ideologies, which I would agree, but diversity goes just beyond ideology. And I think that in your perspective, and until you know what it’s like to be a person of color here and not have a, a woman of color I should say, and not have representation here on the faculty, it’s difficult, it’s impossible for you to see my position.

  29. 2012 March 15 9:01 am
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    18. I gotta call mostly BS on that. GW pushed that pretty god darn hard from early 2005 to mid 2005, complete with state of the union and 6 weeks in the spring of touring the nation talking about it. It went nowhere because congress effectively flipped him the bird on the matter after the dems started targeting those in support with scary ads a few weeks after the proposal was hatched. The problem there wasn’t GW nor his administration, it was the republican pussies in house and senate and to some extent the ignorance\effective manipulation of the public.

  30. 2012 March 15 9:06 am
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    RE: Kerry –
    There is no question for me, I’d take GWB, warts and all, every time over Kerry for the 2004-2008 time frame.

  31. 2012 March 15 9:11 am
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    22. Sounds like the Swift club don’t like all the private dealings in gold Iran is doing now. But really this move seems only ceremonial unless they are going to cut off the Turkish banks who are acting as banking proxies for Iranian now and who say openly they have no plans to stop doing such.

  32. 2012 March 15 9:15 am
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    bc3b permalink

    Judy –

    Excellent point. The neocons don’t get nearly enough of the blame.

    Regarding the brownshirts in the administration. This has intensified under Obama but for the past 50 years the left has controlled civilian government jobs. No Republican President, including Reagan, has had an impact on affecting this. The government has been pushing quotas since the Johnson Administration. The Reagan Administration did little, if anything, to change that.

    As drdog09 has alluded to, McCain with his neocon buddies (Lucy Graham, Joe Lieberman and crew) would have had the U.S. involved in a dozen hot spots around the world. After one term of McCain (following two terms of Bush 43) any Republican would have been lucky to get elected dog catcher.

    I agree that Barack Obama is a far greater disaster than John McCain would have been. Where we disagree is as to what would have happened after a McCain presidency. And, my guess is that Barack Obama would be elected because the media would have convinced the public that the only reason McCain won in 2008 was because of racism.

    The one good thing that could have come out of a McCain presidency is the possible demise of the Republican Party.

  33. 2012 March 15 9:21 am
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    6thLetterIZkooky permalink

    If McCain had been elected:

    Pros:
    1) Vice President Palin
    2) stimulus not implemented, which means deficit is at least $2.3 trillion less ($780 billion X 3, it is now part of the baseline)
    3) $0 baseline budgeting would have been part of the American vocabulary
    4) GM and Chrysler may have been allowed to go into a structured bankruptcy, with bondholders taking a haircut, but union contracts getting re-worked.
    5) Obamacare not implemented
    6) Supreme Court justices picked would have been better (if they were really good, this could be bumped to #1)
    7) not seeing or hearing Obama (either one) on the TV or radio every day – priceless
    8) McCain getting older and not being able to handle the pressure for all 4 years??
    9) drill Baby drill, and “all of the above” adopted as an energy policy
    10) billions saved instead of going to Obama sycophants in “green energy” companies

    Cons:
    1) McCain as President may have kept Palin on a tight leash
    2) not sure where he would have “reached across the aisle”
    3) would TeaParty have come into existence?
    4) Charlie Crist instead of Rubio? Bennett instead of Mike Lee? Greyson instead of Rand Paul? Feingold instead of Ron Johnson? whatshername instead of Scott Brown?
    5) Governors Haley, Martinez, Walker, McDonnell, Christie, Scott, Snyder, etc not elected??

    Interesting question.

  34. 2012 March 15 9:22 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    Bush 43 had the opportunity to accomplish so much with Republican control of Congress for six full years; yet he accomplished so little.

    Ended Recession
    Tax Cuts
    9/11
    Afghanistan
    Iraq
    Tax Cuts
    8 million new jobs

    bc3b — did you spend 2001 – 200? in a coma? Should we give you a medical excuse?

    Do you remember SELECTED NOT ELECTED?

    Do you not remember the non-stop challenges to Bush all during his first administration?

    The attitude in the town was absolute hostility to Bush from the very beginning… from (1) childish complaints that Bush didn’t have enough State Dinners or Parties because Bush preferred going to bed early and that their weren’t as many “fun” parties going on around DC during the Bush administration, to (2) Democrats did not stop pushing their agenda while Bush was in office and there weren’t many true conservatives floating around the city.

  35. 2012 March 15 9:22 am
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    It’s buried but even Reuters admits in the article this not about a supply issue, but purely politics.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/15/us-oil-reserves-idUSBRE82E0UM20120315

  36. 2012 March 15 9:22 am
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    6thLetterIZkooky permalink

    that smiley face should be #8)

  37. 2012 March 15 9:24 am
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    One for the Con list:
    Instead of O-Care you’d had seen a similar battle over CIRv4, only without the potential Constitutional out.

    /just saying

  38. 2012 March 15 9:28 am
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    6thLetterIZkooky permalink

    #34 – W did too many bad things which he did have control over: Medicare expansion, ridiculous increases in spending which were not needed, No Child Left Behind.
    He also cared/worried too much about public opinion regarding casualties in Iraq. He, and the Armed Forces, should have been brutal, brutal, brutal, and then gotten out. Let them know we will come back and do it again if you don’t get your act together. Same with Afghanistan. Libya got the message.

  39. 2012 March 15 9:29 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    #29 — Exactly what KnightHawk says… the Democrats stood as a roadblock to all of those things Bush could have/would have done that could have set US on a better course.

    Just when it looked like Bush would get traction on something positive the DEMs would threaten to withhold financial support for the troops unless they got blah, blah, blah…

    I’m not going to re-write history that Bush was some how idle in trying to accomplish some good ideas. Nor will I ignore some of his bonehead ideas.

  40. 2012 March 15 9:30 am
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    33. #2 – Not exactly accurate, McPain was pushing for a stimulus, granted it was about 1/2 the size and consisted mainly of the continuing farse of a payroll tax reduction, and unemployment benefits, If I recall he was cheer-leading something on the order of 300billion.

  41. 2012 March 15 9:31 am
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    6thLetterIZkooky permalink

    #37? Not sure what that is.

  42. 2012 March 15 9:32 am
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    bc3b permalink

    I am not sure there would have been any SC judges to select. Would Soutter or Stevens retired knowing they might be replaced by less liberal justices? Soutter retired at a relatively young age (for an SC justice).

    A lot of interesting speculation … and that’s all we can do is speculate but I wanted a thread that would have a lot of “on topic” discussion … and this one has.

    The primary thing that inspired this thread was the Nicolle Wallace publicity tour following the HBO Sarah Palin movie. I started thinking: if McCain made such poor choices in selecting people to run the most important election of his life and couldn’t control that team, how could he control the Presidency? What has McCain ever managed? Remember in the Air Force and Navy pilots are given officer rank whether they are in management positions or not.

  43. 2012 March 15 9:33 am
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    bc3b permalink

    Judy –

    Just when it looked like Bush would get traction on something positive the DEMs would threaten to withhold financial support for the troops unless they got blah, blah, blah…

    The Democrats didn’t take control of Congress until January of 2007. Bush did NOTHING to keep the budget under control from 2001-2006. Name a single major veto during that period.

  44. 2012 March 15 9:34 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    37,

    True but if the SS/Med* battle had been won, a leg of goodies would have been removed from the misdocumented aliens sucking at the trough. The trough would not be there.

  45. 2012 March 15 9:39 am
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    41. CIRv4 = Comprehensive Immigration Reform – attempt number 4 for McCain.

    44. Oh certainly had it been won.

  46. 2012 March 15 9:39 am
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    justrand permalink

    In 1978, 15-year old Mary Vincent was hitchhiking when she was picked up by Lawrence Singleton. Singleton raped her, chopped off her arms with an ax and left her for dead on the side of a California road, she survived…having learned a valuable lesson on why NOT to hitchhike!

    Just imagine if Singleton had NOT picked her up?? She might have continued hitchhiking and something BAD might have happened to her.

    I think that sums up my feelings on whether we “lucked out” with Obama, or not.

  47. 2012 March 15 9:40 am
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    bc3b permalink

    Judy –

    Ended Recession

    The only time I ever lost a job was during the Bush presidency.

    What recession? The U-6 unemployment rate was lower in 2000 than it was at any time during the Bush presidency. The only time I ever lost a job was during the Bush presidency.

    Tax cuts are great for fueling the economy if you have government spending cuts to accompany them. The Bush tax cuts helped the economy, but fueled the deficit. While not equalling Obama madness, the national deficit increased by 41.8 percent during the Bush years, partly because of wars and partially because of incresaes in intitlements and the bloated federal bureaucracy.

  48. 2012 March 15 9:42 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    #32 No Republican President, including Reagan, has had an impact on affecting this. The government has been pushing quotas since the Johnson Administration. The Reagan Administration did little, if anything, to change that.

    I’ve only been here since the Bush administration so what I write is what I have been told.

    During the threat to shut down government last year the “boss” shared the story a story as a way to encourage the staff to not worry.

    The pep talk was “we’ve been through his before and everyone was still paid and no one lost their job. [several years ago (Reagan or Bush) We even had someone parked in XXs office for several years who was here to shut us down permanently, end the program(agency). Well we are still here and he is gone. We aren’t going anywhere.”

    I keep telling you folks the only hope is a large enough asteroid hitting the city to wipe out everything east of the Potomac and north on the Anacostia.

    [FYI — my hypocrisy is not lost on me to detest government workers while being one, but we can deal with my self-loathing another day]

  49. 2012 March 15 9:42 am
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    42. Neither had ever really managed anything other then their senate campaigns.

  50. 2012 March 15 9:44 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    The US now has 3 aircraft carriers and an amphib assault ship on station off Iran. US also preparing to release SPR stocks. SWIFT cuts Iran — http://www.zerohedge.com/news/enterprise-just-4-days-away-arrival-swift-cut-iran — coincidence?

  51. 2012 March 15 9:46 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    Yes bc3b — the dot com bust recession that was aggravated by 9/11 … Bush policies (tax cuts) assisted/accelerated the following period of economic growth

  52. 2012 March 15 9:47 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    stimulus not implemented, which means deficit is at least $2.3 trillion less ($780 billion X 3, it is now part of the baseline

    someone else listened to Levin’s 2nd/3rd hour last night

  53. 2012 March 15 9:53 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    Zooky — I did a detailed analysis of the budget deficits during the Bush administration and posted an essay on FB Notes and here last year.

    The biggest hit to the Bush budget happened during the post 2006 years when the Democrats went crazy with budget I think 20% of Bush deficits were war & home land security related. I’ll have to review my notes.

    At least 50% and if memory serves more like 67% of Bush deficits came during the Pelosi/Reid years.

  54. 2012 March 15 9:54 am
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    Coincidence?
    Possible, in that it may be relieving one of the others.

    One last hurrah before the enterprise is decommissioned, or perhaps it’s cheaper to just scuttle it and blame it on an Iranian missile. ? /mostly kidding

  55. 2012 March 15 10:06 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    54,

    Would be cheaper than cutting her up.

  56. 2012 March 15 10:09 am
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    bc3b permalink

    Judy –

    This chart (from your employer) refutes your arguement that Bush got us out of the dot.com recession. The unemployment rate dropped under the last few years of the Clinton administration and rose during the Bush administration (of course not like under Obama):

    http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate_u6.jsp?fromYear=1994&toYear=2012

  57. 2012 March 15 10:16 am
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    bc3b permalink

    Here’s U3, which is the official unemployment rate. It shows the same thing – that the dot.com recession ended before Bush 43 took office.

    http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate.jsp?fromYear=1992&toYear=2012

    The best things I can say about Bush 43 is that he wasn’t as bad as Obama and that he let himself be coerced into appointing two excellent SC justices (in place of Gonzales and Miers).

  58. 2012 March 15 10:19 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    I did a detailed FB note on the deficit spending under Bush — the Pelosi/Reid Congress spent at 1.5x Bush/GOP Congress rate. …

    72 months of Bush & Republicans preparing budgets and the national debt increased $3.2 trillion and the WAR SPENDING was $609 billion of that total. Unfunded wars were certainly a part of the deficit, but does war spending representing 20% of the deficit deserve 100% of the blame.

    It is true that “unfunded war” accounts for 13.7% of the total increase in deficit over the last 10 years. But what is causing the other 86.3% — or $8 trillion of deficit spending over the last 10 years (Obama’s 2 years account for $3.6 trillion of that DEBT.)

    Well when Democrats controlled Congress the spending really jumped..

    During the 24 months of Harry & Nancy leading Congress with Bush in the White House we had $1.518 trillion added to the national debt through deficit spending and the war spending accounts for $340 billion.

    http://www.facebook.com/messages/1850569207#!/note.php?note_id=10150166964627243

  59. 2012 March 15 10:21 am
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    bc3b permalink

    drdog09 –

    US also preparing to release SPR stocks. SWIFT cuts Iran

    Yet we can’t drill offshore (unless it’s off the coast of Brazil) or get oil from Canada.

  60. 2012 March 15 10:25 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    bc3b — the dot.com recession continued past 2000 … into 2001 at least I’ve always called it part of the dot.com recession.

    There was a second recession going on in summer of 2001 VC was seeing dot.com failures in 2001 – 2004 plus a lot of IT/SAS etc failures.

  61. 2012 March 15 10:30 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    What a matter of words imply. The dot com recession was nothing of the sort really. What really occurred was very similar to the RE bubble. You had a run up in demand for IT skills beyond any belief or reason. Coupled with the whole Y2K thing happening at the same time. When 2000 came and went IT skills demand went back to normal.

  62. 2012 March 15 10:31 am
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    6thLetterIZkooky permalink

    judy,
    I agree that the spending with Pelosi/Reid is/was worse. My point is this: Why did the budget go up AT ALL, after Clinton left office? He should have left it on auto-pilot, cut the taxes, and let the budget grow by the rate of inflation. What would have been so hard about that? He should have been tougher with Congressional Republicans trying to get more pork for their district so that they could maintain control. Very SHORT-TERM thinking!

  63. 2012 March 15 10:31 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    http://inflationdata.com/inflation/images/charts/Annual_Inflation/inflation_and_recession_chart.htm

    bc3b you are assuming that the unemployment rate is the same as recession. It isn’t

    Link is to chart of recessions (note 2001 – 2003 listed as recession.

  64. 2012 March 15 10:35 am
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    6thLetterIZkooky permalink

    One last hurrah before the enterprise is decommissioned, or perhaps it’s cheaper to just scuttle it and blame it on an Iranian missile. ? /mostly kidding

    “Remember the Enterprise!!!”???

  65. 2012 March 15 10:44 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    zooky — well (1) recession in 2001-2003 and (2) a little thing called 9/11

    after 9/11 Homeland Security caused an increase in spending.

    I am not defending deficit spending. I am all for a balanced budget during non-war times and that only time for deficit spending is during time of war but the deficit should never be 100% of increase in military spending, we should be making sacrifices in other programs.

    I do not relish being placed in a position of defending Bush but I also do not give Clinton all the credit for the improved economy under his administration… I give NEWT a chunk of the credit.

  66. 2012 March 15 10:44 am
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    6thLetterIZkooky permalink

    “stimulus not implemented, which means deficit is at least $2.3 trillion less ($780 billion X 3, it is now part of the baseline”

    someone else listened to Levin’s 2nd/3rd hour last night

    -judy,
    Two things: 1) I want to call up and give my name as 6thLetterIZkooky, just to see what he says. And then maybe you’ll make me feel famous by writing on BJG that you heard me on Levin. 2) the question I set forth yesterday about COD, Angle, Norton, etc, was partially inspired by Levin. I agree with most of what he says, but I am not sure if he gets questioned enough anymore. To me, his persona has changed a bit the more popular his show has become. (this is my opinion, please don’t fight me on it!)

    Also, the baseline budgeting idea has been discussed by him going back to when he first started. It should be one of the first things Romney/Santorum/Gingrich does if they are elected. We shall see.

  67. 2012 March 15 10:46 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    #63 — Gee if only Newt remained as Speaker of the House during the Bush Administration then we might have seen more constraint and a balanced budget.

  68. 2012 March 15 10:59 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    DR Dog what I saw happen with Y2K, dot.com and the IT skills build up you mention is that there were many new “internet” companies starting and a huge push to managing information in back office operations.

    They paid these IT folks enormous salaries because there was a “shortage” in these skills, especially new web-based functions.

    No one monetized the projects/business, no one considered the simple little concept of profit

    I was in on a few meetings back in the early dot.com days.

    Me: You’ve given me a budget for next year for XXXX million.

    CIT et: That’s what is costs?

    Me: WE are spending all of these millions on developing … website, IT products, etc. when will there be revenue? What will it cost to develop and maintain? What is the break-even point?

    CIO/Webmaster et al: We don’t know that’s Sales jobs

    Me: Your budget is the entire forecasted profit from existing operations for the next three years

    CIT: Whats XXXX millions between friends

    ME: People who spend the company into bankruptcy are not friends

  69. 2012 March 15 11:01 am
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    bc3b permalink

    Very true Judy #68. And perhaps portions of the Contract with America might have been enacted into law. But, Newt had other priorities.

    Gotta go now. I have a business to manage and have spent far too much time here today. If I don’t work, my family doesn’t eat and my daughter doesn’t go to college.

  70. 2012 March 15 11:01 am
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    6thLetterIZkooky permalink

    #63 — Gee if only Newt remained as Speaker of the House during the Bush Administration then we might have seen more constraint and a balanced budget.

    -self-inflicted casualty

  71. 2012 March 15 11:01 am
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    6thLetterIZkooky permalink

    #70 beat me to it

  72. 2012 March 15 11:02 am
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    6thLetterIZkooky permalink

    where I wrote #63 should be #68

  73. 2012 March 15 11:08 am
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    6thLetterIZkooky permalink

    #66 – I never gave Clinton any credit for the smaller budget deficits. That was all the result of the 1994 takeover.

  74. 2012 March 15 11:22 am
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    6thLetterIZkooky permalink

    “zooky — well (1) recession in 2001-2003 and (2) a little thing called 9/11

    after 9/11 Homeland Security caused an increase in spending.”

    -Homeland Security = another boondoggle which Bush should have fought against

  75. 2012 March 15 11:27 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    Judy, 69,

    Can’t disagree one bit. When 20 somethings are projecting big profits on selling 50# bags of dogfood it was all akilter. But the bust should have been a foreseeable, just like the RE bust. What can’t go on forever generally doesn’t.

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