Refuting the “10 Things You Now Get To Keep With Obamacare” -BUMPED

2012 July 16
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by judyt2012

There is a post spreading across the social networks about the wonders of Obamacare link. Well, P.T. Barnum is oft credited with saying “There’s a sucker born every minute,” and many of Barnum’s duped can be found posting their delight over Obamacare. Maybe they can stop sucking for a few minutes and join reality.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Point #1 — Lie even the architect of Obamacare says our premiums are going up… most have already seen increases in their insurance premiums…. Even Obamacare Architect says there will be a steep increase in health insurance premiums.

Point #2 — Ability to purchase insurance from a comprehensive coverage REGULATED market place. LOL.. Insurance is already a regulated market place where businesses and individuals purchase insurance. There is no difference… except of course that REGULATED market place will now be regulated by a federal bureaucracy that will determine what coverage you must have and what care you can receive. So you have taken away from the consumer control over their medical care and handed it to the federal government and its death panels.

Point #3 — Okay so insurers will now be required to insure those with existing medical problems and the cost of their medical care not covered by that person will be allocated back to everyone else in higher premiums. So now those of us who don’t drink, smoke, take drugs, exercise, and eat healthy and do not engage in dangerous sexual practices will be picking up the cost of the medical expenses for those people whose chosen behaviors negatively impact their health. Now exactly how is this fixing the “free riders” and making people carry their own burdens that the Obama’s keep telling us should happen.

Point #4 — But employers who provide health insurance programs and subsidize the costs are already able to deduct these expenses from their revenues. This is nothing new. What Obamacare does do is provide tax penalties to those small businesses that do not provide health insurance programs and forces any business with over 50 employees to provide health insurance. So now small business will be forced to cover these expenses and will have to do so by not hiring new employees, firing existing employees and demanding greater productivity from those now MORE EXPENSIVE EMPLOYEES. Now small businesses will have to cut the wages and other benefits to employees in order to be able to pay for the FEDERAL government mandated insurance.

Point # 5 – This provision is not all businesses, but a special group of businesses, the LABOR UNIONS. Yep, those same labor unions that bankrupted GM and Chrysler, the same LABOR UNIONS (7% of private labor and 15+% government labor) that demand better pensions, better wages and better benefits than the rest of the working population receive will now have the US taxpayers subsidize their retirement health care plans. Five ways Obamacare helps unions This doesn’t cover all of the unions who received waivers from Obamacare.

Point #6 – Well Obama did increase the number living in poverty and closer to poverty so he had to do something; however, the SOTUS ruling found that the states did not have to agree to this expansion of Medicaid. AND Obamacare cuts $500 billion out of Medicare. So Obamacare takes medical care away from our senior citizens and gives it to the people who, if we had a better economy, could be out there working and earning enough to be able to cover their own medical expenses, and not be “free riders”.
And please don’t tell me this is for children. Children are already covered by CHIPS. This is an expansion of Medicaid to adults without children who could get off their lazy asses and go make a living and pay for their own medical care and insurance premiums and stop being leeches “free riders” on the rest of society.

Point #7 – So much for carrying your own burden and not being a “free rider” that Obama talked about. Women are bigger consumers of medical care than men. We go to the doctor more for the minor medical problems. We have more medical expenses from maternity care, annual pap smears, etc. The wonder of Obamacare is that just because I will incur more medical expenses I should not pay more… nope that guy over there in the corner… he will pay my way for me. So much for feminism, make the guys pay my costs. Sound fair guys? Your insurance premiums will be higher because women will pay less than they should.

Point #8 – Are you really an adult if you are still dependent on mommy and daddy? And do we need a 3,000 page bill and 3% sales tax on selling my house so that the boom-a-rang crowd can extended their childhood?

Point #9 – What is wrong with generics? Didn’t the Affordable Drug Act passed by the Bush Administration already provide prescription benefits to seniors?

Point #10 – This is a total bullshit (meaningless) statement, sort of like Hope and Change. Who are the sickest Americans? Isn’t it our seniors who use the most healthcare? Aren’t they already covered by Medicare? Well maybe not after Obamacare cuts $500 billion from Medicare. How about the non-seniors who are ill? Don’t 95% of these folks already have some form of health insurance and doesn’t everyone receive medical care? Aren’t most of the uninsured healthy people who think they don’t need insurance coverage? What is the actual number of “sickest” Americans who do not have insurance coverage? Statistically we are down into the ten thousands and what are the actual medical costs for these people? Isn’t Obamacare a terribly inefficient and outrageously expensive method for providing medical care to these people? Aren’t there already countless private sector charitable programs to provide assistance to these people? Does the best healthcare in the world need to be destroyed by our government in order to benefit less than 10,000 people?

156 Responses leave one →
  1. 2012 July 1 9:35 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    Thank you Mary for the assistance and the idea.

  2. 2012 July 1 9:46 am
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    JustMary permalink

    No problem. I was watching the comments fly on the various postings of this picture, and wanted to bash my head into the wall!!!!! The lies coming from the left are ridiculous.

  3. 2012 July 1 9:48 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    Among young adults aged 18 to 39 years, 10%of hospital stays are uninsured; yet 32% of stays for poisoning by medications and drugs (excluding psychotropic drugs) are uninsured. In this same age group, 29%of stays for alcohol-related mental disorders and 27%
    of stays for substance-related mental disorders are uninsured. A similar pattern is observed for middle-aged adults.

    Source: Profile of the Uninsured Persons in the United States, Pfizer Facts

  4. 2012 July 1 9:50 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    I had the same reaction, so I started responding. I found it easier to write it on Word and then copy and paste into FB. So this was easy to recreate for BJG.

  5. 2012 July 1 10:06 am
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    http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/jun/22/swat-team-enters-home-people-inside-arent/

    “But Police Chief Billy Bolin said, “We have no way of being able to tell that,” and the concerning Internet posts “definitely come back to that address.” ”

    Yeah you did, you could have walked up to the house and used your mouths to ask a few questions before swat raiding the f’ing house… you dense lazy ass f’ing scumbags.

  6. 2012 July 1 10:23 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    Healthcare endgame, ObamaCare == NoCare.

    Scenario —

    * 1/3rd of doctors leave practice between now and 2014.
    * Crisis ensues. Congress steps in to subsidize more medical students with strings attached.
    * Strings are you are nothing more than a G14 employee and that is all you will ever be.
    * Initial surge turns to a trickle.
    * Medical schools close.
    * ER’s and critical care centers can’t operate for lack of personnel.
    * Waits to just see a doctor stretch into years.
    * US life expectancy drops.
    * System finally collapses.

  7. 2012 July 1 10:30 am
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    First we hang all the lawyers

  8. 2012 July 1 10:44 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    First we hang all the lawyers

    That should be — We foreclose on all they have on their student loans THEN we hang all the lawyers.

  9. 2012 July 1 10:48 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    KH,

    This SWAT problem needs to roll up to the judges. Several district courts have already ruled that IP addresses alone are not sufficient for warrant issue. An education campaign is needed to educate the balance of them on the technical aspects as it relates to location, spoofing and its relationship to 4th Amend protections.

  10. 2012 July 1 11:33 am
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    bc3b permalink

    What ObamaCare actually represents in full medical coverage for the freeloader class (currently 47% and rising) funded by productive Americans plus a magnet to attract yet more illegal aliens.

  11. 2012 July 1 11:55 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    BC,

    The problem is going to be that maybe half of that 47% are going to find out that they make too much money for medical assistance under obamacare, can’t afford medical insurance so will end up paying the no coverage tax and still end up with nothing.

    What do you think the reaction is going to be when 50m americans see that happen to themselves?

  12. 2012 July 1 12:46 pm
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    JustMary permalink

    meme

  13. 2012 July 1 12:46 pm
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    JustMary permalink

    Well that was huge. 😆

    FIFY ~~ Dog

  14. 2012 July 1 12:49 pm
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    justrand permalink

    Excellent post, judy.

    And drdog’s comment #6 was an excellent add-on.

    The system WILL collapse…it is being DESIGNED TO COLLAPSE! In order to build a new structure in place of another, you need to demolish the existing structure first!

  15. 2012 July 1 12:57 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

  16. 2012 July 1 12:58 pm
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    JustMary permalink

    #6 You know, I would never want to be a nurse because I am a major germophobe, BUT, I wouldn’t mind being qualified to be one, for the sake of my own family. If we could afford it, I would get trained in order to be able to tend to my family in case of an emergency/ illness.

  17. 2012 July 1 12:59 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    Guess I don’t understand why anybody would think that ObamaCare is free. There is assistance but it ain’t free. Its free like, ObamaStash and FreeSh##, there ain’t any. What a con.

  18. 2012 July 1 1:03 pm
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    JustMary permalink

    #16 SO much of that page is straight up lies (yeah, I know). You can’t even answer anything on there, because the asterisks it would take for some of the questions to even make sense or make the statements truthful (again, I know) are missing! OY.

  19. 2012 July 1 1:04 pm
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    TLS permalink

    The system WILL collapse…it is being DESIGNED TO COLLAPSE! In order to build a new structure in place of another, you need to demolish the existing structure first!

    And what they plan to replace it with is already in place. Needs fine tuning, but the structure is there.

  20. 2012 July 1 1:05 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    JM, me I would head directly to the comment section and tell the OFA they are a piece of !@#$%.

    By the way you might take a look here about safety training. http://www.adamssafety.com/ Know nothing about them. Community Colleges used to have programs too.

  21. 2012 July 1 1:05 pm
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    JustMary permalink

    YAY!!!! Thanks drdog! 😀

  22. 2012 July 1 1:10 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    Win, Place or Show —

    A man was sitting reading his papers when his wife hit him round the head with a frying pan. ‘What was that for?’ the man asked.

    The wife replied ‘That was for the piece of paper with the name Jenny on it that I found in your pants pocket’.

    The man then said ‘When I was at the races last week Jenny was the name of the horse I bet on’

    The wife apologized and went on with the housework.
    Three days later the man is watching TV when his wife bashes him on the head with an even bigger frying pan, knocking him unconscious. Upon re-gaining consciousness the man asked why she had hit again.

    His wife replied. ‘Your horse phoned’

  23. 2012 July 1 1:11 pm
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    JustMary permalink

    #21 Good stuff.

  24. 2012 July 1 1:11 pm
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    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    http://www.thedailybell.com/4039/Anthony-Wile-Angela-Keaton-on

    “Go to a college campus, hang out at Fraternity Row. Take in a student council meeting. When there is power to be had, the unethical will seize it. It’s a character defect to desire power over others. Human beings are full of character defects.”

    #20 Yeah, CrappyCare IS the government run structure. With the HHS price fixing insurance, the IRS making you participate at gun point, the Pols sending out those “subsidy checks” to get you dependent on them, and the Death Panels to eliminate you when you become “cost prohibative” IT IS ALREADY GOVERNMENT RUN!!!!!

    It is actually more useful for the Statists to keep the “private insurance” facade up as long as possible to keep the useful idiots thinking they arent under the government thumb…..

    But your right, at virtually anytime now the FEDGOV can issue a regulation or price-fix or two that puts every insurance firm out of business……my prediction is that will happen right after they comfiscate all the GUNS out there….

    Another WEC prediction/prophetcy: Obama will issue an executive order that places a huge “safety tax” on all guns in the USA – pay it or turn in the gun……or go to jail or be “WACO’d”

  25. 2012 July 1 1:17 pm
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    JustMary permalink

    Another WEC prediction/prophetcy: Obama will issue an executive order that places a huge “safety tax” on all guns in the USA – pay it or turn in the gun……or go to jail or be “WACO’d”

    When it comes to guns…the person we need protection from, is Obama. Guns don’t kill people, guns given to drug cartels by the US government kill people.

  26. 2012 July 1 1:20 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    #26 is our comment of the day!

  27. 2012 July 1 1:23 pm
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    justrand permalink

    CBS, of all people has an excellent article up describing the Roberts BETRAYAL

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-57464549/roberts-switched-views-to-uphold-health-care-law/

    Key takeaway: Roberts sacrificed America to let him feel better about himself and “his” court.

    Does ANYONE think for a minute any Leftist would give a damn about how the court is “perceived”? Nope

  28. 2012 July 1 1:25 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    Come on, you know us IT guys have a sense of humor —

  29. 2012 July 1 1:47 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    drdog09 –

    “Guess I don’t understand why anybody would think that ObamaCare is free”

    Remember that after Obama’s election, there were a number of people (mostly black) who thought they were going to be getting all sorts of free stuff. They are, in fcat, getting free food, free cell phones and 250 minutes a month. Why wouldn’t they think they eould be getting free health care?

    And, I am willing to bet that many will end up getting free health care.

  30. 2012 July 1 2:06 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    JR #28 –

    It was an excellent article. Here is the key part:

    But Roberts pays attention to media coverage. As Chief Justice, he is keenly aware of his leadership role on the Court, and he also is sensitive to how the Court is perceived by the public.

    There were countless news articles in May warning of damage to the Court – and to Roberts’ reputation – if the Court were to strike down the mandate. Leading politicians, including the President himself, had expressed confidence the mandate would be upheld.

    Some even suggested that if Roberts struck down the mandate, it would prove he had been deceitful during his confirmation hearings, when he explained a philosophy of judicial restraint.

    It was around this time that it also became clear to the conservative justices that Roberts was, as one put it, “wobbly,” the sources said.

    It is not known why Roberts changed his view on the mandate and decided to uphold the law. At least one conservative justice tried to get him to explain it, but was unsatisfied with the response, according to a source with knowledge of the conversation.

    Roberts was cowed by the media. he knew he and the Court would be “Palinized” by the media and he didn’t have the courage to face that.

    The CBS write-up is far more realistic than Will and Krathammer, who claim there is a “silver lining” that we rubes are too stupid to see,

  31. 2012 July 1 2:08 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    BC,

    Technically some are getting free care now under CHIP, Medicaid, etc. We’ll see. I can’t guarantee some won’t get it free. But I would say a lot of people are going to be shocked. Especially when they have to deal with the IRS. And just think, ObamaCare may ratchet up IRS audits to people who never use to get them.

  32. 2012 July 1 2:23 pm
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    JustMary permalink

    But I would say a lot of people are going to be shocked. Especially when they have to deal with the IRS. And just think, ObamaCare may ratchet up IRS audits to people who never use to get them.

    …and that’s before the “Cadillac tax” kicks in. That is the part that will directly affect my family, if we still have insurance by the time it kicks in (which we probably won’t, because it would be cheaper for Hubs company to pay the fine for not insuring us). Good times.

  33. 2012 July 1 2:28 pm
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    JustMary permalink

    Oh, and aren’t we supposed to be getting something like 16k new IRS agents?

  34. 2012 July 1 2:28 pm
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    Roberts was afraid of being perceived as a tea party puppet, but I
    Guess he doesn’t mind being an obammer butt boy.

  35. 2012 July 1 2:28 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    drdog –

    I fear the same people who have been getting free stuff along (primarily blacks and illegals) will end up paying nothing for ObamaCare. Remember, Zippy’s goal is to “fundamentally transform” this country and redistribute wealth.

  36. 2012 July 1 2:29 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    Am I the only one who is having problems posting comments today?

  37. 2012 July 1 2:31 pm
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    TLS permalink

    #20 Yeah, CrappyCare IS the government run structure.

    Obamacare is the mechanism and funding to tie it all together. The structure is still there even if HC had been overturned.

    i.e. (bold is mine): http://www.thevillagenews.com/story/64546/

    SAN DIEGO – The Sheriff has created a new team to help solve crime in unincorporated areas of San Diego County. It’s called the Sheriff’s Analysis Driven Law Enforcement or SADLE Team.

    The Sheriff’s sergeant and eight deputies will use intelligence-led policing strategies to see where the crime hot spots are and why.

    It’s about putting resources at the right place and the right time to stop the crime before it happens. For example, an unincorporated community might have a few car burglaries. A bordering neighborhood might have had a few more. In intelligence-led policing, a crime analyst will look for patterns. By tracking crime patterns, patrols can be targeted to where and when crimes are expected to occur.

    SADLE deputies will also keep tabs on known offenders in the area with a history of similar crimes. (TLS: hmmmm, wonder how?)

    Criminals don’t respect neighborhood boundaries, law enforcement shouldn’t either. With this new team, the goal is to be proactive. The SADLE Team will further enhance the Sheriff’s Department’s ability to provide service through a partnership with the community that builds trust, reduces crime, creates a safe environment, and enhances the quality of life in neighborhoods.

  38. 2012 July 1 2:33 pm
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    I have had several “band width” notifications disallowing a comment.

  39. 2012 July 1 2:38 pm
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    TLS permalink

    I had “problem loading page” yesterday several times, but only on this site.

  40. 2012 July 1 2:40 pm
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    JustMary permalink

    We are still dealing with the aftermath of our DOS attack. 🙁

  41. 2012 July 1 2:42 pm
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    TLS permalink

    #41 ????????????????

    What did I miss?

  42. 2012 July 1 2:49 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    I don’t have issues with the comments working. I do note from time to time the CSS styling seems to freeze. All the content is there just not formatted. Its rare and a refresh clears it up.

  43. 2012 July 1 2:52 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    …and that’s before the “Cadillac tax” kicks in. That is the part that will directly affect my family, if we still have insurance by the time it kicks in (which we probably won’t, because it would be cheaper for Hubs company to pay the fine for not insuring us). Good times. — JM

    Same boat here. Our governor has already indicated there good chance the State won’t participate in setting up an exchange. We might be royally screwed in our household.

  44. 2012 July 1 3:45 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    More from American Thinker: Roberts Didn’t Change (he was never an originalist):

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/07/roberts_did_not_change.html

  45. 2012 July 1 3:50 pm
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    JustMary permalink

    #42 Yeah, happened a few days ago. It was resolved, but we’ve had comment problems ever since.

  46. 2012 July 1 3:57 pm
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    gnqanq permalink

    Judy – brilliant (but that is the norm for you).

    drdog – great piece on #45. Was reading a thread on AR15 yesterday. Almost every doctor said the same thing. Either they were getting out or planning on getting out in the next 5 years. Most of the other posters said the same about their doctors.

    Massive shortage coming BUT we know the democrats have an answer – “Communism” but it will be called something else. Just more and more regulation that will bring further shortages and pain.

  47. 2012 July 1 5:07 pm
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    bc3b permalink

  48. 2012 July 1 7:49 pm
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    I still keep getting this crap:

    The website is too busy to show the webpage
    HTTP 408/HTTP 409
    What you can try:
    Refresh the page.

    Go back to the previous page.

    More information

    I also had to change my password to be able to login.

    commie bastiches

  49. 2012 July 1 8:02 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    MPT, see the first link in post 10.

  50. 2012 July 1 8:30 pm
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    gnqanq permalink

    drdog – some day the idiotic cops (vs the more sane ones without the John Wayne mentality) are going to cross the wrong guy and there is going to be a lot of dead people including the home owner.

  51. 2012 July 1 9:03 pm
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    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    “We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force.” – Ayn Rand

  52. 2012 July 1 9:03 pm
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    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    “It is amazing that people who think we cannot afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, and medication somehow think that we can afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, medication and a government bureaucracy to administer it.” -Thomas Sowell

  53. 2012 July 1 9:05 pm
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    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    “Democracy is indispensable to Socialism.” -Lenin

  54. 2012 July 1 9:07 pm
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    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    “The Supreme Court ruling to uphold Obamacare strikes to the heart of an argument used by the Republican Party to accept the unconservative and unpalatable candidates — Mitt Romney, John McCain, George W. Bush, Bob Dole, George H.W. Bush — it continues to hoist as its standard bearers for President: You must vote Republican in order to ensure conservatives are appointed to the bench.

    So-called “conservative” Chief Justice John Roberts (appointed by George W. Bush) joined decidedly activist justices appointed by Bill Clinton and Barack Obama to allow the Federal government to force Americans into government-run healthcare programs or pay a penalty.”

    http://personalliberty.com/2012/06/29/vote-republican-bah/

    Any of you tired of being fooled time and time again?

  55. 2012 July 1 9:32 pm
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    Our choices are limited to the asshole and the armpit, what do you suggest wiley one?

  56. 2012 July 1 9:45 pm
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    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #26 We would not have “mexican drug cartels” if we did create a black market in drugs via government prohibition

    You can try to apply all the violence and oppressioin in the world and people will still engage in trade if they want to get something they value

    Sorry, if this disrupts your view of Utopia thru government violence but its called “reality” and you can’t repeal it!

    As for guns, right now Obma is in charge of all the Federal government’s arsenel of them and its only the one’s in the hands of the private citizens keeping the State from having 100% control of the population…..

    The point is, the new “rule by decree” and “compelling behavior thru taxation” we be focused on taking your guns ASAP so you can be completely unable to physically resist the State

  57. 2012 July 1 9:47 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    Yes, the armpit stinks after three days, the asshole, daily. Indeed which one do you pick?

  58. 2012 July 1 9:57 pm
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    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    Personnally, I only put my absolute faith anymore in the promise of GOD and not politicans or certainly not Levithan government….

    The best use of my time and money right now is to promote the Gospel so as many people as possible will be saved and will have the spirtual strength need to withstand the turmoil that anyone who has their eyes open can see coming…..

    As far as being suckered into the “all or nothing” BS rehtoric of the Statist parties, it is complete crap to say that there are no other choices in whole of the universe in terms of meaningful action other then to pick Statist A (the Marxist Statist) or Statist B (the Managerial Statist)……

    If you simply want to focus on secular politics as your salvation (wrong in my opinion, but to each his own) then time is better spent IMHO trying to educate people on what the proper role of government is and what real Liberty is all about…..

    At least then a few people might have an idea on how to form a new and truly Free Society when this one inevitably impoldes in to a totalitarian craphole…..

  59. 2012 July 1 11:03 pm
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    Thanks for links in #10 Dr. , though enraged me even more. 🙂

  60. 2012 July 2 4:35 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    Taking a few days off and luckily never lost power from Friday’s storm. All the same, I was awake early and listening to morning radio. PECO (Potomac Electric Company) just put an almost inarticulate representative on to explain to the 100Ks (maybe a million) who are without power exactly why they lost power and how long it will be off.

  61. 2012 July 2 5:06 am
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    mulletover permalink

    Here’s a website to pi$$ you off daily…..

    http://www.michellesmirror.com/2012/07/pay-for-play.html

  62. 2012 July 2 5:34 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    Only one thing to say mullet — dump the rump.

  63. 2012 July 15 6:48 pm
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    crystalstar49 permalink

    Rebut this:
    1) Insurance companies can no longer impose lifetime coverage limits on your insurance. Never again will you face the risk of getting really sick and then, a few months in, having your insurer tell you, “Sorry, you’ve ‘run out’ of coverage.” Almost everyone I’ve met knows someone who had insurance but got really, really sick (or had a kid get really sick) and ran into a lifetime cap.

    2) If you don’t know someone who has run into a lifetime cap, you probably know someone who has run into an annual cap. The use of these will be sharply limited.(They’ll be eliminated entirely in 2014.)

    3) Insurers can no longer tell kids with preexisting conditions that they’ll insure them “except for” the preexisting condition. That’s called preexisting condition exclusion, and it’s out the window.

    4) A special, temporary program will help adults with preexisting conditions get coverage. It expires in 2014, when the health insurance exchanges—basically big “pools” of businesses and individuals—come on-line. That’s when all insurers will have to cover everyone, preexisting condition or not.

    5) Insurance companies can’t drop you when you get sick, either—this plan means the end of “rescissions.”

    6) You can stay on your parents’ insurance until you’re 26.

    7) Seniors get $250 towards closing the “doughnut hole” in their prescription drug coverage. Currently, prescription drug coverage ends once you’ve spent $2,700 on drugs and it doesn’t kick in again until you’ve spent nearly $6,200. Eventually, the health care reform bill will close the donut hole entirely. The AARP has more on immediate health care benefits for seniors. Next year (i.e., in nine months), 50 percent of the doughnut hole will be covered.

    8) Medicare’s preventive benefits now come with a free visit with your primary care doctor every year to plan out your prevention services. And there are no more co-pays for preventative services in Medicare.

    9) This is a big one: Small businesses get big tax credits—up to 50 percent of premium costs—for offering health insurance to their workers.

    10) Insurers with unusually high administrative costs have to offer rebates to their customers, and every insurance company has to reveal how much it spends on overhead.

    UPDATE: Here’s one more big benefit we’ve found out about since the ACA passed:

    11) Free birth control and other preventative services for women, unless you work for a faith-based organization that opposes birth control.

    http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/06/obama
    Mojo – June 2012 | Mother Jones
    http://www.motherjones.com
    A former executive at the Las Vegas Sands Corp., whose chairman is Republican mega-donor Sheldon Adelson, has accused the company of “controlling and directing”

  64. 2012 July 16 8:23 am
    [66]
    JustMary permalink

    I bumped this thread back to the top so we can all say hello to our new friend crystal, who has taken the time to copy/paste fresh talking points for us to discuss. Happy Monday, everyone!

  65. 2012 July 16 8:39 am
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    JustMary permalink

    #6 Is not a feature, but laughably, dems consider people to be children until they reach age 26, yet a baby in the womb is not a child. Anyhow, I moved out of my parents house at age 18. I had a good job, which provided benefits. I couldn’t work there until I turned 18, so I had to work really hard to prove I deserved a job there before that time. I knew I would need the insurance, so I had to work harder to get the job that provided it- so there was incentive to try. I felt like I should repeat that point for you chrystal, just in case.

    Anyhow, that company started to go downhill, and they began to cut hours and then cut insurance. I went out looking for another job which would provide coverage. I found a fantastic job, one that was an amazing stepping stone, but it didn’t provide insurance. I wanted that job so bad, so guess what- I paid out of pocket for my insurance. I didn’t have the money to pay it, so I had to give a few things up. I had no money for entertainment, so it meant staying home more. I didn’t get to keep my cable. My acrylic nails had to come off, and I made a few other cuts to my budget. Guess what! I had insurance. Amazing what you can figure a way to do when you have to.

    What about today’s kids? Well first off, they voted for a guy who is deliberately destroying the economy. Do you think that he simply cares about the plight of the 26 year old? Or do you think that it is far more likely that he is doing this because he is setting them about for a lifetime of dependence. Let me ask you honestly- do you think he would need to do this at all if the economy was or was going to be healthy?

  66. 2012 July 16 8:41 am
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    JustMary permalink

    #11 Free. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

  67. 2012 July 16 8:44 am
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    JustMary permalink

    BTW- much of these “new” talking points are just recycled points from the original graphic. 😆

  68. 2012 July 16 8:59 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    #1 — Note to Self — Crystal must be some kind of Typhoid Mary of illness and/or she hangs around people who cheap out on their insurance policies. Funny, but my insurance policy has a CAP that after a certain dollar amount I do not have to pay anything more out of pocket and my insurance company picks up the rest of the bill including my co-pay. I guess the idea is to allow the consumer to buy the type of insurance they want. I don’t need covered for maternity so why should I by paying for a policy that covers childbirth? After a certain dollar amount of co-pay, I want the insurance company to pick up that rest and not have a life-time cap.

    #2— See # 1 — MY annual cap is the most out of pocket I will have to pay in any given year, not the most my insurance company will pay in any given year.

    I guess this is where it counts to be a smart consumer, read all your options and buy the coverage that best fits your risk appetite.

    See, but my brother who bravely fought leukemia for 8 years also had the health insurance that after the first $10K of expenses the insurance company picked up the rest of the cost… include the bone marrow transplant. My brother was a pretty sharp (smart) guy and knew what the limit was on what he could afford in any given year and bought coverage for everything beyond that amount.

  69. 2012 July 16 9:02 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    #3 — Did we need a 2,700 page law to provide for this item? Furthermore, all children within 4x the poverty limit are covered by SChips — that puts it at incomes of over $80K. So if they parents didn’t insure their children with their $80K salary then isn’t that the risk they assumed.

    So basically… rich people with children who decided not to buy insurance are now passing off their costs and risks to the rest of us. I thought Obama wanted those nasty rich people to pay their “fair share”?

  70. 2012 July 16 9:06 am
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    post 67 rebut this:

    Oh very well:

    1)1) Insurance companies can no longer impose lifetime coverage limits on your insurance

    Even insurers must have some limits, as there is no endless supply of resources.(you can’t get 9 lbs of crap from a 7lb sack.)

    2) Annual cap

    Same as above, there is no free lunch.

    3) That’s called preexisting condition exclusion, and it’s out the window.
    4) That’s when all insurers will have to cover everyone, preexisting condition or not.

    Mandating prior condition coverage isn’t “insurance” it’s called actuarial extortion,
    which will result in insurance providers leaving the health insurance business altogether.

    6) ) You can stay on your parents’ insurance until you’re 26

    Fine, you can have mommy and daddy change your diapers until then.

    7) Seniors get $250 towards closing the “doughnut hole” in their prescription drug coverage.

    Through the ponzi schemes of soc sec and medicare the “seniors” have managed to
    impoverish their granchildren and help bankrupt the country.

    8} Medicare’s preventive benefits now come with a free visit with your primary care doctor every year to plan out your prevention services.

    Same as 1 &2 above, there ain’t no “free lunches” unless someone else is forced to pay for it.
    What “primary care doctors”there are left after the rest have quit, will require the “seniors to grow even older while waiting in the long lines for the “free” visit.

    9) This is a big one: Small businesses get big tax credits—up to 50 percent of premium costs—for offering health insurance to their workers.

    Stop smoking that wacky tobbacy. Most businesses will save money by dropping coverage altogether. Why worry about a 50% tax credit, when you can have a 100% savings by dropping it
    or not having it in the first place?

    10) Insurers with unusually high administrative costs have to offer rebates to their customers, and every insurance company has to reveal how much it spends on overhead.

    Absolutely none of the governments business to delve into this area. More class envy bravo sierra.

    11) Free birth control and other preventative services for women, unless you work for a faith-based organization that opposes birth control.,

    Free abortions at the tax payers expenses. NOTHNING IN THIS WORLD IS FRICKIN FREE!!

    Seeking voluteers to help change crystalstar49’s pampers,wipe her behind, powder her butt,
    and generally spoon feed her from cradle to grave. All free of course. 🙂

  71. 2012 July 16 9:12 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    #4 — See #3. These people took a risk that they would not get sick so they did not buy insurance.

    Now most people get their insurance through work and most employer insurance plans cover the person without regard to pre-existing conditions. I switched jobs over 4 times and each insurer covered my pre-existing condition of a damaged neck.

    If I go to Vegas, gamble, and lose… can I then demand that the other gamblers and the casino cover my losses? Why not? I assumed the risk. If I decide to drive down the highway 20 miles over the speed limit and one day a cop pulls me over and gives me a ticket, shouldn’t the other drivers on the highway who weren’t pulled over and weren’t speeding pitch in their pennies to pay my speeding ticket?

    It is the same thing. A person assumes the risk to go without insurance. (The poor can get Medicare)

    A friend of mine has worked a part-time job at Lowe’s for over 10 years because Lowe’s provided a health insurance plan. Her paycheck covers her share of the insurance premiums. Would she rather spend her Saturdays at home or off doing something fun? YES. Would she rather not have to work 2 nights a week at her second job. Yes. She hasn’t seen even one episode of DWTS or AI. But she is a responsible, conservative person who knows that she needed health insurance so she does what is necessary… including working the second job.

  72. 2012 July 16 9:15 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    #5 — Again… did we have to destroy the entire US health care system in order to pass this provision.

    And the insurance policy is a contract and the provisions for terminating coverage are spelled out in detail in that contract. Again, the consumer needs to be responsible at least in part for what they purchase.

  73. 2012 July 16 9:17 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    #6 — Some mothers nurse their babies until they go to pre-school, it looks like other babies like to stay on the parental tit for even longer.

    Keetchy, keetchy cooooo, aren’t you a pretty little baby… what do you want to be when you grow up?

  74. 2012 July 16 9:17 am
    [76]

    FOR CRYSTALSTAR49

  75. 2012 July 16 9:25 am
    [77]
    judyt2012 permalink

    #7 — I vaguely remember legislation that was meant to close the donut hole … AGAIN… Did we have to trash the entire health care system to cough up $250 bennie to seniors. And what about those seniors? Well Medicaid covers that donut hole for the seniors living in poverty. As for the rest… maybe they can buy their own insurance policy to cover the donut hole or pay for it out of pocket.

    Well some will have to not go on that vacation or play golf every week, or go off on the Seniors cruise… or maybe park that RV for a couple of weeks…. but really, what happened to everyone paying their “fair share”. After all those Seniors didn’t reach retirement all on their own… nope SOMEONE ELSE (Barak’s government) GOT them to retirement.

  76. 2012 July 16 9:29 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    8 — Preventative services (aka — death counseling)… “Hey look you old fool… you are old… (and no longer a productive member of the collective) so be careful not to fall and break any bones. And here — sign this DNR to put in your digital records we have embedded in your arm… so that if you do show up at the hospital needing CPR the ER will know to put your wrinkled ass out on the sidewalk.

  77. 2012 July 16 9:31 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    crystalstar49,

    So what are you going to do when YOUR state decides that due to costs it cannot afford to set up an exchange? The Supreme Court has ruled that the Federal Govt cannot impose on the States the costs for the expanded medical system. States are declaring that they will not participate. — Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Georgia, Idaho, Iowa, Maine, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, New Jersey (AB 2171 passed legislature, vetoed by governor), New Mexico, Texas, Virginia, Wisconsin and the list is growing.

    I bet you like going to the DMV too.

  78. 2012 July 16 9:38 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    I vaguely remember legislation that was meant to close the donut hole … AGAIN… Did we have to trash the entire health care system to cough up $250 bennie to seniors. And what about those seniors? Well Medicaid covers that donut hole for the seniors living in poverty. As for the rest… maybe they can buy their own insurance policy to cover the donut hole or pay for it out of pocket. — Judy

    Your observation is right, your reasoning is not. There would not be a donut hole to close to begin with provided SS was not forced on Seniors. Look I am 60. I am fine with my current coverage and I pay for it out of pocket from my former employer. But guess what? Come 65 they will automatically drop me even if I want to pay. Fact most employers will. Individual policy? Oh please, check the rates. Couple that with most Seniors income streams are reduced at retirement and you have the perfect storm of being forced onto Medicare.

  79. 2012 July 16 9:38 am
    [81]

    New Jersey (AB 2171 passed legislature, vetoed by governor),

    Christie vetoed this??????

  80. 2012 July 16 9:39 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    #9 — Well whooop de do — It seems that insurance premiums are a deductible employee expense that comes off income. So that small business (if it could afford to offer health insurance to employees in the first place) would already be reducing income 100% by the expense.

    Compare —

    Revenue $1,000,000 Revenue $1,000,000
    Expenses 800,000 Expenses 800,000
    Insurance 100,000

    Net Income $100,000 Net Income $200,000

    Federal Income Tax 35% $35,000 Taxes @ Obama rate 50% $100,000
    Premium Tax Credit $50,000
    Net Taxes $50,000
    Cash to Owner $65,000 Cash to Owner $150,000
    Insurance premiums $100,000
    Net Cash to Owner $50,000

    Ummmmm $65,000 versus $50,000

    gee if only all small business owners were as stupid as government liberals.

  81. 2012 July 16 9:40 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    Indeed he did. Remember NJ still has a income gap to close. ObammyCare is not line itemed in his budget.

  82. 2012 July 16 9:41 am
    [84]

    christie===rino

  83. 2012 July 16 9:42 am
    [85]
    judyt2012 permalink

    That did not turn out right… here

    Small business owner
    Revenue $1,000,000
    Expenses 800,000
    Insurance 100,000

    Net Income $100,000

    Federal Income Tax 35% $35,000
    Cash to Owner $65,000

    Revenue $1,000,000
    Expenses 800,000

    Net Income $200,000

    Taxes @ Obama rates 50% $100,000
    Premium Tax Credit $50,000
    Net Taxes $50,000
    Cash to Owner $150,000
    Insurance premiums $100,000
    Net Cash to Owner $50,000

    Ummmmm $65,000 versus $50,000

    gee if only all small business owners were as stupid as government liberals.

  84. 2012 July 16 9:45 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    Seeking voluteers to help change crystalstar49′s pampers,wipe her behind, powder her butt, and generally spoon feed her from cradle to grave. All free of course — IP

    You know IP, there was previously a class of people like that — Slaves. I wonder how perky Crystal would look dragging a 20′ long cotton sack on a hot July Alabama afternoon?? We could solve the unemployment problem at the same time.

  85. 2012 July 16 9:46 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    #10 — This is how business works? The lower costs involved in creating the product means that business can offer their product at a lower cost to the consumer. So the high cost producers are eventually forced out of business by the lower cost providers. (Unless you are GM and have a labor union that donates to Democrats).

    It is called the efficiency of a free market. And the consumer, oh no that consumer has to take responsibility for something, needs to shop around and find the best quality product and the lowest price they are willing to pay. Oh my… power in the hands of consumers… CHOICE in the hands of a consumer.

    I thought liberals like Choice?

  86. 2012 July 16 9:50 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    Have the barf bucket at the ready. The latest from the OFA —

    Friend —

    Barack turns 51 next month, and there will be a little celebration at our house in Chicago.

    We’d like to give grassroots supporters an opportunity to join in the fun. You guys deserve it, and I know Barack would personally love to see you there.

    Donate $3 or whatever you can today, and you’ll be automatically entered to get your name added to the guest list.

    Barack’s birthday is one of the last opportunities he’ll get for a little downtime before the final weeks of the election.

    That won’t stop me from teasing him about all those new gray hairs he has — though I think it’s fair to say he’s earned every one.

    So if you’re standing with Barack for the final months of his final campaign, there’s no better way to show it than by making a donation to build this grassroots organization today.

    If you do, you’ll be automatically entered for the chance to join him for his birthday celebration in Chicago. We’ll also fly you out and take care of all the travel arrangements.

    Moochelle, get over the grey hairs, that is an occupational hazard with Presidents. He volunteered for the job.

  87. 2012 July 16 9:58 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    #11 — stop fucking cheap assholes!!!!(Sorry Inc, et al )

    If you can’t afford $9 bucks a month for birth control pills then sister… maybe you need to not buy those Jimmy Choos, or that Appletini.

    And if you are getting vertical with a man that can’t afford condoms … don’t risk AIDS or other STDs with the cheap bastard.

    And pay for your own abortion pills.

    OH you poor little DEPENDENT female… well honey you just need someone to take care of your little self because it is obvious that you just are incapable of functioning in this world without the help of some big ole man or BIG OLE GOVERNMENT to help you deal with everyday life on all on your little emptyheaded alone. Nope… here, lets have big daddy government take care of you… you incapable, incompetent fool.

    Wow.. all adult enough to engage in intercourse but still too incapable to deal with the responsibility of your own sex life.

    Yep, and please Crystal give me your credit card numbers so I can pay my speeding ticket and my gambling debts. I’m just not responsible enough to handle the consequences of my behaviors all on my own.

    SNARK OFF!!!

  88. 2012 July 16 10:11 am
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    bc3b permalink

    Chrystal –

    Welcome – You are truly one flaming liberal.

    I approved a comment that you sent last night regarding Governor Snyder’s threat to take over municipalities that are in serious financial trouble. It probably went to the “California Cities May Disappear” thread of a couple days ago, which no one will read any more.

    As a resident of a Detroit suburb, I will give my perspective. I have a great deal of respect for Detroit Mayor Dave Bing and what is trying to do. Unfortunately, Bing is surrounded by incompetent and/or unethical people who are standing in his way.

    If you take a look at the people who have been Mayor of Detroit for the past 40 years, they were often incompetent and some were crooked (Kwame Kilpatrick) or racist (Coleman Young). Young and Kilpatrick are two major reasons Detroit is in the shape it is. Detroit floundered and lost revenue as citizens and businesses abandoned the city. Yet, the city kept spending itself into near bankruptcy.

    While I am not a huge fan of Rick Snyder (he was my fourth choice among Republicans), I do applaud his efforts in forcing cities to live within their budgets. There are a number of cities in Michigan (Detroit, Flint, Ecorse, Benton Harbor, etc.) that are about as dysfunctional and as able to control their own destinies as a mentally disturbed three year old.

    It is better for the state to come in before they become a Stockton or San Bernardino.

    Michigan has done a marvelous job of recovering since “Gov. Jenn” left office. We actually have a $350 million surplus. It’s only fitting that “Gov. Jenn” has taken up residence in Kalifornia. I am not sure whom Kalifornia is sending in exchange … perhaps Charles Manson?

  89. 2012 July 16 10:12 am
    [91]
    judyt2012 permalink

    Maybe Crystal can sell her computer and shut off her internet provider so she can afford her birth control….the public library has free internet.

  90. 2012 July 16 10:14 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    “It’s only fitting that “Gov. Jenn” has taken up residence in Kalifornia. I am not sure whom Kalifornia is sending in exchange … perhaps Charles Manson?”

    LOL…

  91. 2012 July 16 10:17 am
    [93]

    Dear crystal, I keep getting these emails from nigeria about someone wantng to
    actually give me millions of dollars for FREE. It doesn’t pass thr smell test, but I fugure
    you might be interested. Shall I forward them to you?

    P.S. are you blond???

  92. 2012 July 16 10:20 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    Shall I forward them to you? — IP

    If I recall those Nigerian scams means she has to send money first to get the jackpot. She’s a taker, not a giver.

  93. 2012 July 16 10:22 am
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    drdog09 permalink

  94. 2012 July 16 10:30 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    IP “P.S. are you blond???”

    Mary… I’ll hold IP down while you whack his butt with the ruler. Then you can hold him down and let me smack him.

    AND…we have found another budget item Crystal can eliminate so she can afford to pay for her own birth control… her hair dye.

  95. 2012 July 16 10:32 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    IP & DR — I have $42 million waiting for me. As soon as it comes in I’ll throw a BJG party… 😉

  96. 2012 July 16 10:33 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    Mary… I’ll hold IP down while you whack his butt with the ruler.

    Ladies that would only encourge him to find an appropriate picture in 4..3..2..

  97. 2012 July 16 10:36 am
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    JustMary permalink

    #99 😆 As someone who has blonde roots, I can for sure tell you that it’s the bottle blondes that have brain power issues. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

  98. 2012 July 16 10:37 am
    [101]
    JustMary permalink

    #101 True

  99. 2012 July 16 10:45 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    JM — exactly the hair dye chemicals that turn dark hair blonde must also fry brain cells. The “dumb” blondes are the ones who aren’t naturally blonde. It is a brunette conspiracy to slander us.

  100. 2012 July 16 10:46 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    JM — exactly the hair dye chemicals that turn dark hair blonde must also fry brain cells. The “dumb” blondes are the ones who aren’t naturally blonde. It is a brunette conspiracy to slander us.

    JM — where did we pick up this troll? Did they follow us over here from FB?

  101. 2012 July 16 10:47 am
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    bc3b permalink

    “As someone who has blonde roots, I can for sure tell you that it’s the bottle blondes that have brain power issues.”

    Kind of like how toupee glue has affected George Will’s brain power?

  102. 2012 July 16 10:49 am
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    bc3b permalink

    Steven Covey (79) died from complications of a cycling accident in April. Never did anyone make more money “bottling” common sense.

    RIP.

  103. 2012 July 16 10:52 am
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    JustMary permalink

    #105 Probably, so I bumped this thread on purpose. We get quite a few liberal trolls that like to get the last word in on old threads so they can link back and make it look like we were too afraid (or whatever) to respond. This thread was one that I didn’t mind resurrecting, because this particular picture is still floating around on FB.

  104. 2012 July 16 11:00 am
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    bc3b permalink

    Hey, there’s nothing wrong with an occasional troll or two. We don’t want to be like Kos, DU, Little Green Footballs and Free Republic, which ban any dissent. Besides, it’s good for the hit count.

    And, who knows? We might even make a conversion or two.

  105. 2012 July 16 11:02 am
    [108]
    judyt2012 permalink

    So Crystal isn’t around today… maybe just lurking.

  106. 2012 July 16 11:33 am
    [109]

    Waiting in line for her free condoms.

  107. 2012 July 16 11:55 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    IP – -well if she has access to free condoms now… why does she need Obamatax to give her more???

    I think we did a pretty good job of rebutting Crystal. I wish she would hurry up and send me the money for my speeding ticket and gambling debts ;)… If we are going to be “fair” then shouldn’t I be able to substitute something else for the birth control I don’t need.

    tsk, tsk, tsk… liberals. I guess it is extremely difficult to be forward looking when you have your head up your ass.

  108. 2012 July 16 11:58 am
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    judyt2012 permalink

    LOL … finally.. Rush called Obama the felon because of his drug use.

    ummm….Obama says Romney is felon for having name appear on SEC filings as owner of Bain (he did own Bain) at the same time that Obama was busy snorting coke and smoking dope.

  109. 2012 July 16 12:10 pm
    [112]

    The “free” ones are recycled.

  110. 2012 July 16 12:13 pm
    [113]
    judyt2012 permalink

    eeeeeeeuuuuuu

  111. 2012 July 16 12:19 pm
    [114]

    Plus they fit better on her blow up lover.

  112. 2012 July 16 12:24 pm
    [115]

  113. 2012 July 16 12:45 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    117,

    That’s interesting. I wonder if it is a coating or a nature of the plastic used? If it was sprayable I could see a bigger market on windshields and industrial uses. Oh and politicians….

  114. 2012 July 16 12:47 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    Law of the Sea Treaty, scuttled.

  115. 2012 July 16 12:59 pm
    [118]

    good news, the anti gun treaty next we hope.

  116. 2012 July 16 1:29 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    “Law of the Sea Treaty, scuttled.”

    Barely. Republicans not in opposition include: McCain, Miss Lucy, Cochran, Kirk, Snowe, Collins, Brown, Murkowski, Hutchison, Rubio, Lugar and Hatch.

    I don’t trust Rubio.

  117. 2012 July 16 1:32 pm
    [120]

    It may be tough holding some of them to repeal obammercare. At least
    the quislings snowe and lugar will be gone.

  118. 2012 July 16 1:41 pm
    [121]
    bc3b permalink

    ip #122 –

    As will Hutchison.

  119. 2012 July 16 1:41 pm
    [122]
    drdog09 permalink

    So too Hutchison

  120. 2012 July 16 1:48 pm
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    roger that I forgot.

  121. 2012 July 16 2:03 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    Now NYT is taking a stab at picking the Veep — Pawlenty. Article here — http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/16/us/politics/pawlenty-looked-at-as-romney-running-mate.html?_r=2

  122. 2012 July 16 2:03 pm
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    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    “As a lay student of the law, it has always struck me odd that in the US system the First Amendment to the Constitution exempts the ministry and journalism from government regulation while it appears to accept the regulation by all levels of government of numerous professions and enterprises.

    In very general terms, this clearly amounts to a kind of unjust discrimination.

    Why should people doing work at churches, ministries, newspapers, publishing houses, think tanks, universities and the like have their full – unalienable – right to liberty protected, including from governments across the board – federal, state, municipal etc. – while other citizens who work in hospitals, factories, shops, corporate offices and so forth are subjected to onerous government regulations by some fellow citizens who have not gained the consent of these individuals to be treated by them this way?

    What justifies this unequal protection of the law for millions of citizens who have done nothing illegal, who aren’t being punished or penalized for any malpractice?”

    http://www.thedailybell.com/4071/Tibor-Machan-Constitutional-Anomalies

  123. 2012 July 16 2:41 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    127,

    False premise. Speech is regulated to some degree. Yell ‘fire’ in a theatre and if they are able to identify you as the perp, you get to see a judge. Libel and slander are a form of judicial regulation on speech as well. Nor are churches exempt from regs, as I see the author, missed the ongoing HHS – Catholic Church dust up.

    As a lay lawyer he needs to pop open a history book and understand not what is in the Bill of Rights but why/how they came about. For that development is essential to the mistake the author is espousing.

  124. 2012 July 16 2:52 pm
    [127]
    drdog09 permalink

    Detroit like you have never seen it — http://youtu.be/LkMiIT1VG98

    Makes me want to scream.

  125. 2012 July 16 3:53 pm
    [128]

    http://gregmankiw.blogspot.pt/2012/07/progressivity-of-taxes-and-transfers.html
    “The negative 301 percent means that a typical family in the bottom quintile receives about $3 in transfer payments for every dollar earned.

    The most surprising fact to me was that the effective tax rate is negative for the middle quintile. According to the CBO data, this number was +14 percent in 1979 (when the data begin) and remained positive through 2007. It was negative 0.5 percent in 2008, and negative 5 percent in 2009. That is, the middle class, having long been a net contributor to the funding of government, is now a net recipient of government largess.

    I recognize that part of this change is attributable to temporary measures to deal with the deep recession. But it is noteworthy nonetheless, as other deep recessions, such as that in 1982, did not produce a similar policy response.”

  126. 2012 July 16 4:08 pm
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    MI Conservative permalink

    Been real busy but i gotta post.

    I’m sick of people say Romney is not rebuking Bain attacks. Since the felony attack romney has been fighting hard. Immediately demanded apology and attacked Obama in interviews on every network. Talked about hypocrisy. Brought up outsourcing by Obama. Appeared this morning. Surrogates everywhere.

    And what does Frank Lutz and other conservatives say: “Romney and his team are silent.” Friends like that……………..

    Just cause MSM won’t report anything doesn’t mean their silent.

  127. 2012 July 16 4:12 pm
    [130]
    MI Conservative permalink

    Obama isn’t controlling what romney says but he is controlling the media who reports stuf. Incuding the conservatives who have fallen in line.

  128. 2012 July 16 4:41 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    MI Conservative –

    Have you been busy with Kate Upton? I just learned she is from western Michigan and RINO Fred Upton’s niece. She’d be a good catch.

  129. 2012 July 16 4:43 pm
    [132]
    drdog09 permalink

  130. 2012 July 16 4:46 pm
    [133]
    bc3b permalink

    drdog09 –

    Detroit was never a world class city, but was very livable and had a number of scenic areas prior to the riots. It was fairly safe and relatively clean. It had decent schools and parks. I went to high school in Detroit (about three miles from a black neighborhood – not a ghetto) and never felt threatened.

    In the 5-10 years following the 1967 riot everything changed.

  131. 2012 July 16 4:57 pm
    [134]
    MI Conservative permalink

    I was in Greektown last Sat. from midnight till I crawled in a cab.

  132. 2012 July 16 5:01 pm
    [135]
    drdog09 permalink

    BC,

    Before our time, but Detroit was the 5th richest city in the US in the 1880’s, long before the auto industry came about. Back then it was making its money in machine tooling for the marine industry of the great lakes. A city that rich I suspect would have had a better then average lifestyle standard. But then you look at NYC today and…..

  133. 2012 July 16 5:22 pm
    [136]
    gnqanq permalink

    Democrats have the reverse Midas touch.

    Anything they touch turns to shit. Look at Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago, (any major city), California, Maryland, Illinois (any blue state) and now finally the U.S.A..

    As times go by, I am more and more convinced that Democrats are in league with Satan. Once again another place they can turn to shit (Hell) – how appropriate.

  134. 2012 July 16 5:26 pm
    [137]
    bc3b permalink

    As late as the mid 1960s Detroit was a majority white city and one of the most prosperous in the country. It wasn’t London, Paris or Boston, but it was clean, livable and a place people were proud to call their home.

    In 1959 a team from Hamtramck, which was then a Polish suburb surrounded by Detroit, won the Little League World Series. Hamtramck residents identified themselves by the parish they attended: St. Ladislaus, St. Stanislaus or St. Florian. Hamtramck had mostly frame houses but was incredibly clean and safe.

    Today Hamtramck is primarily Muslim, the call to prayer blares from loudspeakers five times a day and is an absolute pit.

  135. 2012 July 16 5:31 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    More and more conservative Episcopalians are considering the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church has a special ordinate for former Episcopalians. Several conservative Episcopalian churches have converted as an entire parish.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2012-01-04/anglican-catholic/52377588/1

  136. 2012 July 16 5:43 pm
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    Like an insidious dose of the clap, the left has slithered into religion,
    education, entertainment, and all other meaningful aspects of our culture, to deposit
    their philosophical excrement, then slither on seeking more victims.

  137. 2012 July 16 6:02 pm
    [140]
    mulletover permalink

    #141 Obama’s mouthpiece, Stephanie Cutter is a carrier.

  138. 2012 July 16 6:43 pm
    [141]

    http://imgur.com/ar5yz – Wouldn’t be a bad catch either.
    Yahoo’s new CEO. ( Formerly Google employee #20)

  139. 2012 July 16 7:16 pm
    [142]
    bc3b permalink

    The Uptons are Whirlpool heirs.

  140. 2012 July 16 7:19 pm
    [143]
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #128 Correct premise. Just because the authoritrian statist are trying to errode Freedom of the Press and Religion in no way negate the point that they WERE in fact singled out as “special” above any other profession or activity in life!

    The larger point, which is lost on you I guess (as well as most Americans) is that ALL people have a God-given right NOT TO BE REGULATED by others whom they are in no way harming!

    To claim the right to use coersion and force via law and regulation to make other act in a manner we deem “nice” – even when they are not harming you or anyone else – is simply ancient Tyranny all dressed up in new clothes!

    But its pretty well established that even the most “freedom loving” American cant dream of living without the great “help” of authortrian regulation and Statism so your reaction is typical flat-earth thinking we have these days….

    “Such licensing is surely reminiscent of certain aspects of the doctrine of feudalism, where some members of a royal court impose their judgment on perfectly innocent citizens – well, in that system they would have been subjects – simply because they believe their judgment is superior to that of the citizens or God gave them the authority to do so.

    Indeed, the entire institution of government regulation of anything is party to this anomaly. I want to cry out, “Who are these people anyway that they have the audacity to coerce others to be obeyed?” Aren’t we past the age of such rule of some by others in at least most Western societies?

    From the moral point of view, only if one has consented to be ruled, governed, manhandled etc. – as one consents to one’s dentist, doctor, personal trainer, coach or dance instructor – is it permissible for these others to order one about. And, of course, children may be ordered by their parents in light of their dependent status, their legal immaturity. But once one has grown up, reached the age of maturity, such authority by others is supposed to have vanished and only if they have given their permission to be regulated, regimented by someone else, does such treatment of them become acceptable. (Some exceptions exist with incapacitated persons.)

    Why is there no widespread outrage about these matters?

    Citizens are not supposed to be subjects and handled like serfs or involuntary servants.

    One would think in the supposed leader of the free world, the United States of America, more citizens would show their dismay about such matters.”

    http://www.thedailybell.com/4071/Tibor-Machan-Constitutional-Anomalies

    I guess we arent “dismayed” because too many of are still thinking (very foolishly) that they will be the “Masters” imposing their version of Utopia on the “Serfs” via government instead of living in a Free Society and letting their peaceful neighbors be…….

  141. 2012 July 16 7:41 pm
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    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    “There is no law in the world that cannot be subverted; most laws of any significance are disobeyed on a regular basis.

    This is why the more laws a society has the more corrupt it gets.

    This is happening in the US public school system, which was always dysfunctional and corrupt and is only more so now.

    Today’s testing cannot “gild the lily.” There is none. The only hope of solving the education problem in the US is to allow educational facilities to compete – to privatize the educational establishment from top to bottom and let the Invisible Hand do its work.

    Of course, the Anglosphere elites that have adopted and supported this system are not apt to allow such competition.

    They are not interested in using the system to create alert, educated individuals capable of critical thinking.

    They seek socialized workers and cannon fodder; that is what public education has been constructed to provide.

    Corruption is far more tolerable than an educated populace.”

    http://www.thedailybell.com/2642/No-Child-Left-Behind-Act-of-2001-NCLB

  142. 2012 July 16 8:28 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    The larger point, which is lost on you I guess (as well as most Americans) is that ALL people have a God-given right NOT TO BE REGULATED by others whom they are in no way harming! — WEC, 146

    That might be the God given right, but there have never been nor never will be a society based on not being regulated.

    But WEC lets take your suggestion. We now declare there is no regulations. Course when you say that you realize there are now NO LAWS. Right? Don’t say no, because LAWS at their core are regulations.

    Noooo problem. You, the Wifey and the kiddies decide to go on vacation. In the interim I kick all your stuff out and move in. I put my name on the door and get comfortable. Your clan of course is now homeless. You yell and scream of course — “I have title to this property!” You do? Funny that, since we abolished regulations there are no more deed stamps, title recording, title insurance. Fact there are no documents that you ever possessed the property. Squatter rights dude.

    “I’ll sue you say!”. Oh you will? Since there are no laws the courts are no longer needed. We abolished the ABA, the Bar, the courts. The only ‘court’ now is who has the bigger gun.

    “If men were angels, no government would be necessary.”
    — James Madison

    But alas we are not and so in a form of social compact we construct institutions to mitigate our baser instincts in equal measure against all. We forego the right to murder one another and invest it in the State after due consideration and peer review. We accept some laws to bind our behaviors in order to be freer not less free. Even God himself issued a regulation to not partake of the tree of knowledge to Adam and Eve. Would you deny that as well?

    We can disagree on the bounds of the Laws, but Libertarianism as you espouse it is anarchy and tyranny.

  143. 2012 July 16 8:42 pm
    [146]

    The best we can hope for is a minimal assault on life, liberty and property, which becomes inversely proportional to the growth of the population.

  144. 2012 July 16 8:50 pm
    [147]
    drdog09 permalink

    IP,

    Amen.

  145. 2012 July 16 9:03 pm
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    brucefdb permalink

    I hate to break this to you guys but heaven just isnt going to happen on earth. If we are lucky God is ready to kick some devil’s ass. And I think that will happen in November. 🙂

    Goodnight.

  146. 2012 July 16 9:40 pm
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    justrand permalink

    you CANNOT make this stuff up!!

    YahooNews has 3 different anti-GOP and/or anti-Romney stories up right now. And ONE Obama headline (I kid you not!):
    “Obama reveals his favorite Girl Scout cookie”

  147. 2012 July 16 10:58 pm
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    brucefdb permalink

    jr….quit driving yourself nuts. It’s gonna be ok. Satan doesnt win, he gets interim victories, but never wins. Enjoy life.

  148. 2012 July 17 3:52 am
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    CARDIOLOGIST FUNERAL

    This would be an acceptable reason to laugh at a funeral ..

    A very prestigious cardiologist died, and was given a very elaborate
    funeral by the hospital he worked for most of his life… A huge
    heart… covered in flowers stood behind the casket during the service
    as all the doctors from the hospital sat in awe.

    Following the eulogy, the heart opened, and the casket rolled inside.
    The heart then closed, sealing the doctor in the beautiful heart
    forever.

    At that point, one of the mourners just burst into laughter. When all
    eyes stared at him, he said, ‘I’m so sorry… I was just thinking of
    my own funeral…I’m a gynecologist!’.

    The minister fainted!

  149. 2012 July 17 5:27 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    Another Santelli rant —

  150. 2012 July 17 5:34 am
    [153]
    drdog09 permalink

    If Santelli is not scary enough — http://bloom.bg/PYSDVX

  151. 2012 July 17 5:47 am
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    justrand permalink

    drdog, your links in comments 154 and 155 TOTALLY IGNORE the “Unicorn” effect of our benevolent government!

    Since our Dear Leader has informed us that all success is because “someone else made it happen“, we will simply ask “someone else” to work harder!! 🙂

    Problem solved!

  152. 2012 July 17 6:43 am
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    justrand permalink

    great article: http://datechguyblog.com/2012/07/16/demoralized-as-hell-the-obama-prevent-defense-editionbain-obama-prevent-defense/

    the sad part is that the “prevent defense” really IS working right now. The media in any other year…even with a Democrat in the White House…would be screeching about the state of the economy, and the even MORE dismal prospects for the future! But THIS year the media is all-in for Obama…even more so than 2008. And so NO BAD NEWS is permitted to remain in the public arena beyond one news cycle.

  153. 2012 July 17 1:10 pm
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    150 What?? but but I thought Belinda Carlisle said it was a place on earth???
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFPajU-d-Ek

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