Civil Disobedience

2012 November 14
by justrand

I set about to write a post this morning encompassing a stream of thought I’ve had bouncing about in my head for days. As I wrote down some of the stray thoughts they started to sound familiar…until I realized someone already wrote this essay. In 1849, Henry David Thoreau published ‘Resistance to Civil Government’, which became better known as ‘Civil Disobedience’.  This essay is, if anything, more apropos today than in 1849. Although Thoreau’s essay was driven by his resistance to slavery, and rejection of the War with Mexico, the premise of his essay is stated right up front…and I have excerpted other parts from it that directly apply today. It begins:

I HEARTILY ACCEPT the motto, — “That government is best which governs least“; and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically.

Consider that the government of 1849 was the tiniest fraction in reach and power of what it is today…what would Henry say today, eh?

Yet this government never of itself furthered any enterprise, but by the alacrity with which it got out of its way. It does not keep the country free. It does not settle the West. It does not educate. The character inherent in the American people has done all that has been accomplished; and it would have done somewhat more, if the government had not sometimes got in its way. For government is an expedient by which men would fain succeed in letting one another alone; and, as has been said, when it is most expedient, the governed are most let alone by it. Trade and commerce, if they were not made of India rubber, would never manage to bounce over the obstacles which legislators are continually putting in their way; and, if one were to judge these men wholly by the effects of their actions, and not partly by their intentions, they would deserve to be classed and punished with those mischievous persons who put obstructions on the railroads.

 That paragraph bears re-reading…please do. It is the perfect rejoinder to Obama’s: “You didn’t build that, someone else built that!”

All men recognize the right of revolution; that is, the right to refuse allegiance to, and to resist, the government, when its tyranny or its inefficiency are great and unendurable. But almost all say that such is not the case now. But such was the case, they think, in the Revolution of 1775. …All machines have their friction; and possibly this does enough good to counterbalance the evil. At any rate, it is a great evil to make a stir about it. But when the friction comes to have its machine, and oppression and robbery are organized, I say, let us not have such a machine any longer.

…Unjust laws exist; shall we be content to obey them, or shall we endeavor to amend them, and obey them until we have succeeded, or shall we transgress them at once? … But it is the fault of the government itself that the remedy is worse than the evil. It makes it worse.Why does it not encourage its citizens to be on the alert to point out its faults, and do better than it would have them? Why does it always crucify Christ, and excommunicate Copernicus and Luther, and pronounce Washington and Franklin rebels?

Why is the TEA Party labeled “violent” and “racist“?  Because it opposes the overreach of government.  Why is the “Occupy” movement embraced by government?  Because it serves the ends of the government.

…perhaps you may consider whether the remedy will not be worse than the evil; but if it is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law. Let your life be a counter friction to stop the machine. What I have to do is to see, at any rate, that I do not lend myself to the wrong which I condemn.

When I converse with the freest of my neighbors, I perceive that, whatever they may say about the magnitude and seriousness of the question, and their regard for the public tranquillity, the long and the short of the matter is, that they cannot spare the protection of the existing government, and they dread the consequences to their property and families of disobedience to it. For my own part, I should not like to think that I ever rely on the protection of the State. But, if I deny the authority of the State when it presents its tax-bill, it will soon take and waste all my property, and so harass me and my children without end. This is hard. This makes it impossible for a man to live honestly, and at the same time comfortably in outward respects. It will not be worth the while to accumulate property; that would be sure to go again. You must hire or squat somewhere, and raise but a small crop, and eat that soon. You must live within yourself, and depend upon yourself always tucked up and ready for a start, and not have many affairs.

The two highlighted portions of that paragraph sum up the POWER the Government has over us…and suggest a way to lessen that power.  It is a hard suggestion, given the comforts we have worked for and feel we have earned by that work.

The progress from an absolute to a limited monarchy, from a limited monarchy to a democracy, is a progress toward a true respect for the individual. Even the Chinese philosopher was wise enough to regard the individual as the basis of the empire. Is a democracy, such as we know it, the last improvement possible in government? Is it not possible to take a step further towards recognizing and organizing the rights of man? There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all its own power and authority are derived, and treats him accordingly.

Thoreau would literally throw up if he saw the march of Progressivism…and the power it now wields.  The State doesn’t TRUST the individual to make the right choices.  Thus “public notices/information” become “nudges“…”nudges” become shoves…and shoves become TYRANNY!  Why?  Because the ultimate goal of the Progressive movement is this: “Everything not mandatory is forbidden!”

Since, by the Progressive definition, the State IS all knowing, and all caring…why shouldn’t we allow, even encourage, the State to guide our every move…and save us from ourselves??  Indeed.

46 Responses leave one →
  1. 2012 November 14 9:56 am
    drdog09 permalink

    Well JR, before you get to do your CD you may be preempted — — The same people who say it is impossible to deport 13m illegals are proposing the same to some 100,000 signators to the petition they protest.

  2. 2012 November 14 10:22 am
    justrand permalink

    actually, I believe the number nationwide is now near (or over) a million!! (47 States x 10-25,000 signatures)

  3. 2012 November 14 10:54 am
    bc3b permalink

    drdog09 and JR –

    I’m so old that I can remember when dissent was considered patriotic – 2008 I believe.

  4. 2012 November 14 10:55 am
    drdog09 permalink

    For KH,

    What is not in bold is that AT&T intends to ditch the PSTN long term.

  5. 2012 November 14 10:57 am
    drdog09 permalink

    Ahhh BC, but succession is not dissent, its action. That is what has the Libs scared. Imagine if 37 state left. Who would pay all the other 13 states bills???

  6. 2012 November 14 11:06 am
    justrand permalink

    drdog…here in Kalifornia we don’t care if ya’ll leave…just as long as you keep paying our bills!! Besides, we’re doing everything in our power to export our most productive citizens, and most successful corporations!! Ya’ll OWE us! 🙂

  7. 2012 November 14 11:49 am
    JBoz permalink

    So, hypothetically…what would the tax impact be on a citizen who was stripped of said citizenship and set packing? 401(k) assets? Unrealized capital gains?

  8. 2012 November 14 2:41 pm
    JustMary permalink

    Skip to the 40 second mark for the good stuff. hahahahaha

  9. 2012 November 14 2:50 pm
    fight on permalink

    Bill Maher on Chris Christie: ‘I can actually embrace this guy’

    Read more:

    In case you still weren’t sure about Maher errr Christie

  10. 2012 November 14 3:10 pm
    bc3b permalink

    My personal belief is that Chjristie actually wanted Romney and Ryan to lose. Had Romney been a successful President, been reelected and Ryan served two terms, the Fatman would be 66 in 2028.

    Chris Christie is all about Chris Christie and the Fatman is a snake. The keynote speech, his praise of Obama days before the election, etc.

  11. 2012 November 14 3:15 pm
    booshkindoggin permalink

    #8 – A US citizen is taxed on his worldwide income, with some foreign tax credit or exemption relief possible for income earned and also taxed overseas. But IRS will still tax non-citizens who reside in, or earn $ in, the US. If you lose US citizenship but remain and work in US you would presumably still be fully taxed, but without the (dwindling) benefits and privileges of US citizenship. Most states will tax money earned in-state, regardless of citizenship. As always, enforcement is the problem so expect the taxing agencies to establish rigorous programs to track the former US citizens and their financial activities.

  12. 2012 November 14 3:26 pm
    JustMary permalink

    #10 Christie was one of the reasons I stopped reading anything from Ann Coulter.

  13. 2012 November 14 3:59 pm

    ~~~FOR TEXANS~~~

  14. 2012 November 14 4:23 pm
    justrand permalink

    IP, I love that image in #14

    says it all!!

  15. 2012 November 14 4:26 pm
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    “If the underlying cause of the crisis is not understood we cannot solve our problems. The issues of warfare, welfare, deficits, inflationism, corporatism, bailouts and authoritarianism cannot be ignored. By only expanding these policies we cannot expect good results.

    Everyone claims support for freedom. But too often it’s for one’s own freedom and not for others. Too many believe that there must be limits on freedom. They argue that freedom must be directed and managed to achieve fairness and equality thus making it acceptable to curtail, through force, certain liberties.

    Some decide what and whose freedoms are to be limited. These are the politicians whose goal in life is power. Their success depends on gaining support from special interests.

    No More ‘isms’

    The great news is the answer is not to be found in more “isms.” The answers are to be found in more liberty which cost so much less. Under these circumstances spending goes down, wealth production goes up, and the quality of life improves.”

  16. 2012 November 14 5:10 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    still be fully taxed, but without the (dwindling) benefits and privileges of US citizenship. Most states will tax money earned in-state, regardless of citizenship. As always, enforcement is the problem so expect the taxing agencies to establish rigorous programs to track the former US citizens and their financial activities. — booshkindoggin

    vs dwindling responsibilities —

    – No more jury duty.
    – No more census.
    – No more Majority-minority status.
    – No more worrying about the possibility of a draft.
    – The list is very long.

    As to the taxes. Well we already know how to play that one. —

    — You set up a split income agreement.
    — The largest component of your salary is paid `in-country` in the coin of their realm.
    — The smaller component of your salary is paid in the US. That is the portion that is taxed.
    — The employer pays the `in-country` component as a consultancy business expense so they don’t even have to pay their portion of the withholding.

    The employee just needs to be sure that their US salary covers US living expenses so as not to trigger an audit. So how do I know this? I was told this by the on staff immigration lawyer for Verizon Corp.

    So where do I sign up???

  17. 2012 November 14 5:12 pm
    gnqanq permalink

  18. 2012 November 14 5:15 pm
    drdog09 permalink


    The funny thing is now the Austinites want to leave Texas if Texas leaves the union. I say let them try. Their water, food, services will stop at the city limits. See how long they last.
    Har, Har.

  19. 2012 November 14 5:15 pm
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    “What a wonderful world it would be if everyone accepted the simple moral premise of rejecting all acts of aggression. The retort to such a suggestion is always: it’s too simplistic, too idealistic, impractical, naïve, utopian, dangerous, and unrealistic to strive for such an ideal.

    The answer to that is that for thousands of years the acceptance of government force, to rule over the people, at the sacrifice of liberty, was considered moral and the only available option for achieving peace and prosperity.

    What could be more utopian than that myth—considering the results especially looking at the state sponsored killing, by nearly every government during the 20th Century, estimated to be in the hundreds of millions. It’s time to reconsider this grant of authority to the state.

    No good has ever come from granting monopoly power to the state to use aggression against the people to arbitrarily mold human behavior. Such power, when left unchecked, becomes the seed of an ugly tyranny. This method of governance has been adequately tested, and the results are in: reality dictates we try liberty.”

    The problems we have are MORAL not political….

    We must reject the agressive use of violence which is now the basic governing priniciple of our nation…..

    Civil disobendience to an immoral and arbitrially violent government is right, just and moral

  20. 2012 November 14 5:23 pm
    drdog09 permalink


    Take notes folks it is coming here….

  21. 2012 November 14 5:31 pm
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink

    #21 Likely prearranged to be an excuse for governments to become even more authortrian and for use as justification to suspend what is left of our individual rights….

    Probably will be an excuse for martial law

  22. 2012 November 14 5:36 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    We must reject the agressive use of violence which is now the basic governing principle of our nation….. — WEC

    ‘If a man causes disfigurement of his neighbor, as he has done, so shall it be done to him— fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth; as he has caused disfigurement of a man, so shall it be done to him. And whoever kills an animal shall restore it; but whoever kills a man shall be put to death. You shall have the same law for the stranger and for one from your own country; for I am the Lord your God.’” — Leviticus 24

    So the State can no longer take a life? If someone kills my wife I cannot turn to the State to rectify the wrong? And without the deterrent value, however small, then it is open season on anyone by anyone. WEC I understand your point but to do what you ask must carry it down to no death penalty as well.

  23. 2012 November 14 5:38 pm
    drdog09 permalink


    Maybe but that does not invalidate the observation in 21. Causation is immaterial to the effect.

  24. 2012 November 14 6:39 pm
    justrand permalink

  25. 2012 November 14 7:17 pm
    drdog09 permalink


    If Texas said adios, it would take some other States with it. Like say Oklahoma, Louisiana and Mississippi. Then it gets really interesting. There are two rivers that are historically the most important in the nation — The Hudson and the Mississippi — and that block of States would control ole Man River. Florida and Alabama would follow suit out of sheer economic interests — both are dependent on coal shipped via barge for electric power.

    I would point one other thing out. The Cherokee nuke plant in Texas was sited for 4 cores but only 2 were built. Free of EPA interference the other 2 cores could be up in 5 years producing power for export to other States.

  26. 2012 November 14 7:28 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    drdog – I believe most of the old confederacy would roll into Texas with a number of plain states (Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, the Dakota’s, Montana, Wyoming, Utah). Plus you might get a sizable migration from other states to these red states.

  27. 2012 November 14 7:39 pm
    drdog09 permalink


    Since we are hypothesizing JR might be in luck. It would not be beyond disbelief to see the Eastern part of CA wanting to go splitsville as well. Every 4 years you see a electoral map of that state and its a strip of blue along the coast, but the rest of the state is deep red. The ranchers and farmers are surely fed up with all the CA boards and commissions to be willing to vote for it.

  28. 2012 November 14 7:48 pm
    JBoz permalink

    Don’t forget about Alaska. Pretty much Texas north – lots of natural resources including oil, reliably conservative, and fiercely independent. Also, the home state of “you know who”.

  29. 2012 November 14 8:29 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    drdog – in that type of scenario you could add the region south of Pittsburg through Columbus through Indianapolis through central Illinois. West Virginia with the southern portions of Ohio, Indiana and Illinois would fit in well with a Red America.

    And don’t forget Alaska.

  30. 2012 November 14 8:31 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    Forgot to add that would give Red America most of the Ohio River, the Missouri River and the Mississippi River from central Illinois south.

  31. 2012 November 14 8:41 pm
    JBoz permalink

    Red America = Home of the Free
    Blue America = Home of the Free Stuff

    Where would the illegals and other teat suckers flock?

  32. 2012 November 14 8:54 pm
    JBoz permalink

    Hamas terrorist departs this world to meet his 72 J-Naps.

    Was that an airstrike, or was he driving a Chevy Volt?

  33. 2012 November 15 5:17 am
    justrand permalink

    Jboz…I like your Chevy Volt theory! Maybe THAT’S how we really got Bin Laden!!

  34. 2012 November 15 5:19 am
    drdog09 permalink

    Hmmm. Sounds to me like we ought to just give the blue cities and the northeast to Canada and be done with it.

  35. 2012 November 15 5:20 am
    JBoz permalink

    YouTube took down the link…here is the same video:

    At least until Big Brother decides that it doesn’t fit the narrative du jour.

  36. 2012 November 15 5:25 am
    drdog09 permalink

    Ha! YT has already removed the vid for `violation of its terms of service`.

    Odd because —

    If that was a VTS then the four listed are as well. Me thinks that YT is a Palestinian front organization.

  37. 2012 November 15 5:36 am

    Sounds to me like we ought to just give the blue cities and the northeast to Canada and be done with it. MUTLEY

    They would reject the offer.

  38. 2012 November 15 5:46 am
    JBoz permalink

    If enough people red flag a video, then YT will review it and some flunky makes a unilateral decision to keep or pull it. A grainy, low resolution video taken from 10k feet of Israeli airstrike on a Hamas terrorist’s vehicle doesn’t on the surface seem any more graphic than tens of thousands of other videos. What probably happened here is that a consortium of Israel haters and Palestinian sympathizers jumped in and deluged it with red flags. YouTube is probably under a corporate edict (based on the institutionalized lie that the Mohammed video was the cause of the Embassy attack) of zero tolerance for anything that might enflame the muzzie world. YouTube took the path of least resistance.

  39. 2012 November 15 5:55 am

    WE should make it a point to red flag anti Israeli/pro obama vids as well.

  40. 2012 November 15 6:06 am
    JBoz permalink

    IP #42 “WE should make it a point to red flag anti Israeli/pro obama vids as well.”

    But the Obama adoration videos provide so much comic relief, I would hate to see them taken down.

  41. 2012 November 15 6:34 am

    You are correct, the PRO obama ones make him look like the idiot he is.

  42. 2012 November 15 6:40 am
    justrand permalink

    if you’re worried about the new numbers from the BlS, don’t be! the Ministry of Truth says not to worry!!!

  43. 2012 November 15 11:59 am

    1 – Good observation.
    5 – Yeah saw a similar reporting and take at broadbandreports.
    37 – I don’t think even Canada would take them.

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