Time for a New Fox News?

2013 January 23
by bc3b

A subject of many discussions among conservatives is the decline of FNC as a conservative voice. In recent month, FNC has hired more liberal contributors, including Jesse Jackson’s daughter and, most recently, Dennis Kucinich. True conservative voices have become virtually non-existent with most being supporters of establishment Republicans, members of the Bush Wing of the GOP (Karl Rove, Dana Perino, etc.) and neo-cons like Bill Kristol and Fred Barnes.

Recently, FNC has become a major supporter of comprehensive immigration reform or a path to citizenship (aka amnesty) with Hannity and O’Reilly jumping aboard the Amnesty Train. Mickey Kaus, one of the few honest liberals around, questions whether FNC still represents conservatives, especially if it is a strong proponent of amnesty. Perhaps it is time for a new Fox:

Does Fox News now have an All-Amnesty lineup? Looks like it.   Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly have now fallen in line behind  World Citizen Rupert Murdoch’s support of ”sweeping, generous  immigration reform,” including a “path to citizenship.” Karl Rove was always on  board, of course.

What about Fox News’ viewers? Are they going to go along like sheep?  They now have no network that represents their perspective on what seems to be a  key issue for Obama’s second term. Is it time for a new Fox? (Wouldn’t it  be time for a new Fox anyway? That lineup has been stale for years.) …

P.S.: Is there any other issue in American politics where  the media’s coverage is so one-sided? Even non-PC newspapers are eager to  expand Latino readership–they’ve been in a GOP-like panic about not  offending Latinos for years. (When was the last time an L.A.  Times editor sent a reporter to interview construction workers who’d  permanently lost their middle class jobs to cheaper undocumented labor?)  Public radio stations get grants to broadcast “Latino” content, often drearily didactic and inevitably  pro-amnesty.  Now even the opposition isn’t in opposition. I look forward  to vigorous ”balanced” debates between pro-amnesty Democrats and  pro-amnesty Marco Rubio throughout the spring.

Here is a simple question the MSM might ask for starters: Why won’t the same thing happen with Obama’s ”comprehensive  immigration reform” as happened with Reagan’s similar 1986 immigration  reform: We’ll get the amnesty part but the enforcement part will be blocked  (by lawsuits, or lack of zeal on the part of administrators)?

Maybe the answer will be that, in proponents’ minds, it doesn’t really matter  if we get another post-”reform” wave of 11 million new unauthorized immigrants.  If so, that’s an answer Americans deserve to hear …

But I guess they won’t hear it on FOX.

Hat tip: Daily Caller

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41 Responses leave one →
  1. 2013 January 23 6:26 am
    bc3b permalink

    Perhaps the closest thing to a new Fox News is Glenn Beck’s channel, which is primarily available via subscription online. The closest thing FNC has to a conservative is Sean Hannity, who is boring, repetitious and more Republican than conservative.

    It’s important to remember that Rupert Murdoch is a liberal and most of his papers represent a liberal point of view. But, he is primarily a capitalist and FNC is a huge money maker for News Corp. Murdoch’s sons are reported to be flaming liberals.

    I have been Fox-free for 18 months and am far happier.

  2. 2013 January 23 6:47 am
    bc3b permalink

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    Last year the pretty half of the RJH/TLS household won both the BJG NFL regular season and playoffs. Can the not-so-pretty half win both this year or can Mullet prevail? It appears we will need tie-breakers.

  3. 2013 January 23 6:52 am
    justrand permalink

    I have pretty much stopped watching FoxNews…or any news. I read articles on the Internet, and then seek out multiple to sources to verify or refute what I read. You get the information slanted from every direction, but that allows you to make up your own mind.

    The country NEEDS a news source that doesn’t lock-step with the government…sadly FoxNews has decided it is too tough to be that news source.

    It is and will be up to all of us to pass along information and contrary opinions…until they shut us all down.

  4. 2013 January 23 6:59 am
    bc3b permalink

    Fox News’ ratings are down some, but it is still far ahead of MSNBC and CNN. To some extent FNC probably has replaced some of its former conservative viewers with some of the few moderates who actually follow politics year-round.

  5. 2013 January 23 7:05 am
    drdog09 permalink

    “Fox News’ ratings are down some, but it is still far ahead of MSNBC and CNN.”

    As a uncle of mine used to say, “Its easy to be top fly when all around you is just crap.” That is the only reason FNC has been on top.

    The only time I watch FNC anymore is if one of the shows has an interesting guest on or they are doing an in depth topic of interest.

  6. 2013 January 23 7:07 am
    drdog09 permalink

    Russia is pulling its citizens out of Syria — http://www.mideastmag.com/370959/russians-leaving-syria-en-masse/ — Assad clearly must be on his last legs.

  7. 2013 January 23 7:15 am
    drdog09 permalink

    Slanted but interesting — http://video.pbs.org/video/2327953844

  8. 2013 January 23 7:22 am
    JustMary permalink

    #6 Christians are keeping a close eye on Syria right now, Damascus especially.

  9. 2013 January 23 7:24 am
    justrand permalink

    drdog, once Assad is gone it will be all Sunshine, Lollipops and Rainbows in Syria…eh? At least, Hillary “Benghazi” Clinton and Barry “DroneStrike” Obama have told us so!

    I mean, look how swell Egypt turned out!

  10. 2013 January 23 7:25 am
    drdog09 permalink


    Yeah. Scary ain’t it?

  11. 2013 January 23 7:26 am
    JustMary permalink

    #5 Same. I don’t watch much tv though anyway. I save all my tv viewing for “Love it or List it” (shut up, Dad!) and Clippers games. I don’t trust many news sources, and I am getting more and more choosey about which political blogs I read. This election solidified my belief as to how close to the end we are, which means things are quite predictable even without turning the news on. I can simply read my Bible, then guesstimate from there.

  12. 2013 January 23 7:28 am
    bc3b permalink

    JR –

    “I mean, look how swell Egypt turned out!”

    Don’t forget Libya and Iraq.

  13. 2013 January 23 7:49 am
    drdog09 permalink

    Oldest bank in the world gets caught with fraud — http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-23/oldest-bank-world-plunges-halted-chairman-resigns-aftermath-latest-derivatives-fiasc — Probably no jail this time either.

  14. 2013 January 23 7:56 am
    justrand permalink

    Hillary is “testifying” before the Senate today. And has already issued at least one: “Meh?

    When asked about the State Department claiming it was a “spontaneous demonstration” even after the intelligence showed clearly it was NOT she replied: “What difference does it make?” (translation: “Meh?“)

    CLEARLY she is Residential material!

  15. 2013 January 23 8:11 am
    fight on permalink

    One of the reasons that I was saddened by Breitbarts death was that I was hopping he would launch his own network.

    Too bad on many levels.

  16. 2013 January 23 8:24 am
    JustMary permalink

    #15 I think he was *this close* to something big.

  17. 2013 January 23 8:27 am
    JustMary permalink

    #14 The proper people were demonized, so who cares?

  18. 2013 January 23 8:33 am
    bc3b permalink

    JM –

    “#14 The proper people were demonized, so who cares?”

    Breitbart, Palin, Bachmann, Rand Paul – expect Ted Cruz to be added very quickly.

  19. 2013 January 23 9:10 am
    bc3b permalink

    Rand Paul to Hillary Clinton: “If I were president, I would have relieved you of your post.”


  20. 2013 January 23 9:37 am

    If I were president I would never have appointed the harridan to begin with.

  21. 2013 January 23 9:48 am

    it’s so cold in the upper midwest today that the Democrats hands are in their OWN pockets!

  22. 2013 January 23 11:06 am
    bc3b permalink

    Ah, it’s a balmy 16 degrees in beautiful Clawson, MI this afternoon, headed down to 4 degrees tonight – Hut 1369 weather!

  23. 2013 January 23 12:06 pm
    JustMary permalink

    #20 Yes indeed

  24. 2013 January 23 12:24 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Not to rub it in but it is a balmy 74 here today. But not the highest by a long shot, a year ago yesterday it was 79.

  25. 2013 January 23 12:31 pm
    Wylie E. Coyote permalink


    “Lower elites go to such confabs to divine just what dominant social themes are in fashion at the moment. The idea is to promote those themes closest to the collective heart of Top Guns.

    It’s a get-together, then, of people who want to be noticed by the mega-trillionaires who control central banks and already run the world informally. The idea is that if you show your willingness to use your time and fortune to propagandize the world correctly, you’ll be rewarded with increased business contacts, deals and, in the end, money.

    Yes, it’s all about the money. They are visiting Davos to figure out what lies are in fashion. They wish to become more proficient.

    This year they are depressed! They are not depressed at the prospect of lying. They are only depressed because the lies are not being received as well by the rest of the world.”

  26. 2013 January 23 1:40 pm
    drdog09 permalink


    Kernel of truth to what DB is saying here. Most of the rest of the world doesn’t care what the elites think. The massive failure of round after round of IPCC confabs lay testament to that.

    Something I believe a lot of people are missing. The world would be in pretty good shape if it were not for global debt. Think about that, most of the economists say at best we might see 1.5% global GDP. That sounds terrible but the situation is, at that rate most economies in the world could absorb the additional population wanting jobs. The debt overhang just creams everyone unfortunately. The banks own most of the problem here though I recognize it takes a buyer to want a loan in any deal.

  27. 2013 January 23 1:48 pm
    bc3b permalink

    drdog09 #24 –

    And your local NFL team has really hot cheerleaders with really skimpy outfits. Go ahead and rub it in. I can take it.

  28. 2013 January 23 3:59 pm

    “Time for a New Fox News?” — It’s been time for awhile.
    #2 – Ditto.
    #6 – aww shucks I was hoping it would go on longer, there isn’t a big upside for us for it to end.
    19 – Nice Rand. I can’t believe she tried to side step the whole “protestors” bs initial cover up with asking “what does it matter”. :roll: http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/23/clinton-on-benghazi-story-confusion-what-difference-does-it-make-video/

    21 – I didn’t know that was possible! 😉

  29. 2013 January 23 4:38 pm
    RepublicanPundit permalink

    Now it appears that The Marine Band faked the band and Beyonce lipsynced the music to the National Anthem.

    I fail to see why the falderol, since his whole presedency and campain has been faked. Much Ado while Obama Burns the Constitution.

  30. 2013 January 23 5:19 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    So if someone was to design a Fox News replacement what form would it take and what content is to be delivered? Keeping in mind that one of the puroses of such a service would be to create new conservatives not just keep the current crop of conservatives?

  31. 2013 January 23 5:47 pm
    bc3b permalink

    drdog09 #30

    One of the biggest challenges would be to make it interesting. FNC has become like formula radio.

    While I have been Fox-free for about 18 months, I recall BORe: Monday was Evenings with Bernie, Tuesday was Smart Blonde/Dumb Blonde, Wednesday was Alan Colmes/Monica Crowley, etc. (as opposed to Sean Hannity, which is virtually the same every night).

    One of the things with FNC is that it does everything possible to avoid production costs (which is why they killed the “Half Hour News Hour”) and why they have the same boring contributors (Karl Rove, Juan Williams, etc.) saying the same thing night after night after night. As much as we hate CNN, if there’s a war or you really want good primary election coverage, you turn to it rather than FNC.

    It wouldn’t be all shows like O’Reilly and Hannity. I’d try to develop a conservative alternative to John Stewart and Colbert to attract some younger and hipper viewers. I’d work with Newsbusters to take on network bais. I’d be much more adversarial toward the MSM and Fox.

    I’d try to hire Sarah Palin, whose contract with FNC is just about up, and try to reincarnate Bishop Fulton Sheen.

  32. 2013 January 23 5:48 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    drdog – #30 – it would look a lot like GB TV (Glenn Beck). He often says “The truth has no agenda.”

    Just present the facts to the people. No slant, no agenda – muck like Joe Friday from Dragnet – “just the facts mam.”

  33. 2013 January 23 7:17 pm
    drdog09 permalink


    My suggestion, which on some points is a combo if your two posts.

    1) Colbert like with a conservative slant, but funny and witty. Sort like the NewsBusted theme but just longer, 15min or so.
    2a) Remember those avatar like cartoon characters one can make that we post from time to time? Well why not do that with real actors? 5min lede. That moves into the background of the skit with a Glenn Beck backgrounder. Alternate nights…
    2b) A point/counter point with legislators out in the States. Nobody does that but I think it would have interest. Get people to become interested in what is in their own backyard so to speak.
    3) Close out the last 5min with international news.

    Make it an entire hour. One could do a series on stupid laws ala John Stossel style. Cover campus level stupidity to try and capture and counter the liberal bias in the universities.

    Anybody got a couple of mill?

  34. 2013 January 23 7:22 pm
    bc3b permalink

    I was thinking about the NewsBusted woman (without a tank top under her suit). Another great show would be NLF cheerleaders and NHL ice girls who are conservatives.

  35. 2013 January 23 7:23 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Wow. Never say sunshine can’t disinfect a place/person. I posed in the last thread about a Frontline report that spot lighted no prosecutions of the mucky-mucks at the big banks. Well 24hrs later the lead man that should be doing this has stepped down — http://consumerist.com/2013/01/23/report-asst-atty-general-who-shied-away-from-wall-street-prosecutions-to-step-down/ — He is a Clinton accolade.

  36. 2013 January 23 7:51 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    No surprise there drdog. Just doing his job – protecting democrats from the law.

    Over on AR15 in the one thread – “People are talking” – many posters commented on the “law” and how it is not applied equally. That we are becoming not a nation of laws BUT a nation of men. This is upsetting people across the country because the political class decides what applies and to whom, ie David Gregory.

  37. 2013 January 23 11:52 pm
    Deckard permalink

    Re: the OP, if I watch anyting, it’s from The Blaze/Glenn Beck. Otherwise, I’m reading Breitbart, Pat Dollard, American Thinker, Heritage Foundation,Townhall, and the like. If I want news on the ever creeping islam front, then I go to Pamela Geller’s blog, Atlas Shrugged.

    As time progresses, more and more news channels – including FNC – will be mere propaganda – and not a source for any semblance of truth.

  38. 2013 January 24 4:30 am

    Hey lets just ignore our duty for a couple months, forget raising let just ‘suspend it’, you know cause that’ll show ’em! The escrow gimmick is hilarious though.
    Should have been called the Blank Check for Now Act.

    Roll: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/roll030.xml

  39. 2013 January 24 5:50 am
    drdog09 permalink


  40. 2013 January 24 7:40 am
    JustMary permalink

    #39 I love how they want these things when it is their folks in charge…because they’d be the first to whine to change it back when their guy was out.

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