No Difference Had Hillary Been Elected?

2017 July 20
by bc3b

NeverTrumpers won’t give up. Even though President Trump is appointing more conservative judges than any President in recent history (including Reagan), illegal immigration is down and actual deportations (not turning people back at the border) are up, more people are employed than at any time in our history and Trump is actually attempting to de-fund Planned Parenthood, NeverTrumpers like John Podhoretz, William Kristol and the girly men at National Review still claim there would be no difference if Hillary Clinton had been elected.

Daniel Greenfield writes in

What difference does it make?

Bad ideas work their way back to worse premises. The ‘worse premise’ of the bad idea of NeverTrump was that it didn’t really matter if Hillary won. It was an echo of Hillary’s infamous Benghazi testimony.

What difference does it make anyway if the woman behind the Arab Spring were running our foreign policy and if the Clinton Foundation’s gallery of rogue donors were running everything else?

It sure as hell didn’t make a difference to NeverTrumpers who were too busy grading Trump on table manners and finding implausible reasons to believe that President Hillary Clinton wouldn’t be so bad. NeverNeverTrumpland became its own echo chamber with no one to call out its crazy delusions.

Trump won, Hillary lost and NeverTrumpers clings to its “What difference does it make” premise.

At the New York Post, John Podhoretz insists that, “Hillary’s White House would be no different from Trump’s.”

Bad idea meet worse premise.

“The astonishing answer, if you really think it through, is: not all that different when it comes to policy,” he claims.

Only in NeverNeverTrumpland could anyone come up with an “astonishing answer” like that.

It’s an astonishingly astonishing answer since Hillary’s platform called for ending deportations of illegal aliens and allowing them access to ObamaCare. That’s slightly different from building a wall, a 33% increase in illegal alien arrests and a 67% decline in illegal immigration under President Trump.

But a lot of NeverTrumpers seem closer to Hillary’s position there anyway.

Hillary’s platform also called for expanding ObamaCare, killing coal and fracking, automatic voter registration at 18, undermining the Second Amendment, a job-killing minimum wage hike and free college. That’s a long way from repealing ObamaCare, a coal and fracking boom, the restoration of law and order, fixing college abuses and conducting voter fraud investigations.

But what difference does it make in NeverNeverTrumpland where policy doesn’t matter anyway?

On foreign policy, the President of the United States has an even freer hand. And the free hand would have belonged to the woman who handed entire countries over to the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda and ISIS.

Podhoretz claims that a Republican congress would have blocked Hillary from getting anything done. The Obama years suggest that putting our faith in the obstructive powers of a GOP Congress ought to come with a free limited edition of the Brooklyn Bridge. And Hillary had made a point of asserting that many of her policy proposals would bypass Congress.

“Trump has gotten very little done. The same would have been true if Hillary had won,” he writes.


Many NeverTrumpers know better. Yet they create an imaginary Hillary who bears no resemblance to the real thing. A harmless creature who would just sigh and accept Republican obstructionism, who would refrain from her usual pattern of being enmeshed in a constant tidal flood of bizarre scandals and  whom Republicans could just wait another four years to defeat with a better candidate.

The only reason for the existence of this imaginary Hillary, who would refrain from using executive orders or lying from sunrise to sunset, is to justify the position of NeverTrump. The imaginary Hillary can’t exist and doesn’t exist. And it’s time that NeverTrumpers abandoned their Hillary nostalgia.

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John, fat dumb and ugly is a horrible way to go through life. Brian Stelter can sympathize.

17 Responses leave one →
  1. 2017 July 20 10:44 am
    bc3b permalink

    Of course John Podhoretz is a neocon so he’s liberal on social issues. He’s fine with abortion and a never-ending stream of unskilled illiterates crossing the southern border,

  2. 2017 July 20 11:02 am
    drdog09 permalink

    “No Difference Had Hillary Been Elected?”

    Well there is one. Had HRC been elected there would have been no chance at all that OboCare could be repealed. She would let it die on her desk, never signed. Congress would not have the votes for an override.

    Trump has made the proper diagnosis — Let OboCare die of natural causes of its own contradictions. Gets bad enough the Dims will come crawling back. Trump, then to quote Obo, ‘will have more flexibility’ to deal with the legislation. Congress will be at his beck and call for relief.

    Pain before the gain I am afraid.

  3. 2017 July 20 11:30 am
    drdog09 permalink

    Kid Rock for Congress!! — — He might actually be an improvement, say vs Girlyman.

  4. 2017 July 20 3:00 pm

    We would never see a judge gorsuch

  5. 2017 July 21 5:54 am
    drdog09 permalink

    As to the pic, if I were a Leftist — #ManSpreading!!!!

  6. 2017 July 21 5:56 am
    drdog09 permalink

    And that ladies and gentlemen is why the Right loses. We fail to recognize that motives are what drive them and are their Achilles heel.

  7. 2017 July 21 6:26 am
    justrand permalink

    drdog: “We fail to recognize that motives are what drive them and are their Achilles heel.”


    and it isn’t “We” as in folks here…or “We” as in the the folks who elected Trump. It is “We” as in the spineless elected GOP at almost every level who try to snuggle up to the Left/media/Dems hoping for a pat on the head. (like McCain). They don’t ever look at the underlying motives of the Left/media/Dems which is ALWAYS the subjugation of Americans in the name of “Progressivism”.

  8. 2017 July 21 6:49 am
    justrand permalink

    Well, YUP.

    P.s., realizing that the “Global Warming” hysteria is hyped-up horseshit does NOT mean I want the planet to be trashed, rivers to be polluted, or the air to be unbreathable (since that is the typical shrieking that results from daring to doubt Al Gore and his worshippers).

  9. 2017 July 21 6:54 am
    justrand permalink

    Speaking of Hillary…the author gives her (and the Left) “credit” for never giving up, but rather continually working towards their (diseased) goal.

  10. 2017 July 21 7:28 am
    drdog09 permalink

    “It is “We” as in the spineless elected GOP at almost every level who try to snuggle up to the Left/media/Dems hoping for a pat on the head. (like McCain). ”

    Never under estimate the power of a well stocked cocktail party.

  11. 2017 July 21 7:34 am
    drdog09 permalink

    This is Sean Spincers replacement as Comms Dir WH, Sergie Lavrov — — Russian foreign minister. He’s ripping the Western press.

  12. 2017 July 21 7:41 am
    drdog09 permalink

  13. 2017 July 21 7:56 am
    drdog09 permalink

    Moar winning — — This is a great outcome in that as the investments are made and improvements gained the need for foreign labor ceases and becomes a permanent fixture. Sorry Juan….

  14. 2017 July 21 9:09 am
    fight on permalink

    No more daily Spice. Spicer out and Scaramucci in as head of communications

  15. 2017 July 21 11:43 am
    drdog09 permalink


    Shucks, I was root’n for the Russian!

  16. 2017 July 21 11:46 am
    drdog09 permalink

    Poland just purged nearly all its left leaning judicary — — Anybody take notes?? We need to implement it here….

  17. 2017 July 21 3:18 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    Saw this over on yahoo.


    President Donald Trump’s administration has ended Affordable Care Act contracts that brought assistance into libraries, businesses and urban neighborhoods in 18 cities, meaning shoppers on the insurance exchanges will have fewer places to turn for help signing up for coverage.
    Reading the piece you can hear the Libtards crying. Like those working on those contracts gave a rats rear. It was more about the Federal Govt paying them and them being on the gravy train. Screw them.

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