Labels Really Don’t Mean Much Any More

2017 October 26
by bc3b

Donald Trump is changing the landscape in so many ways. He has called out posers and, in doing so, has intensified a civil war (that had already been brewing) within the GOP. He also has made many terms, including the word “conservative” irrelevant.

President Trump doesn’t really claim to be a conservative and many of his positions, especially on social issues, are to the left of ours. But, he appears to love the country and puts its interests and what’s best for its citizens above pure political ideology.

Do you still consider yourself a conservative? Let’s look at Jeff Flake, who like Ben Sasse and others, cloak themselves in conservatism. On individual issues, many of us would identify more with Flake or Sasse than Trump. But, all issues are not equal. Most, even ObamaCare, can be undone. Others, like immigration and the destruction of middle class families, cannot be undone, and they threaten the very existence of the country as we know it.

Some conservatives, like Flake, Sasse and even Ted Cruz (who once proposed a 500% increase in H-1B visas), see things like increased immigration, more work visas and unrestricted trade as “conservative issues.” Other conservatives see these as Donald Trump sees them – not as liberal or conservative issues, but as what’s best for the United States.

Is increasing H-1B visas for run-of-the-mill programmers and analysts who take the jobs of US citizens good for the country? Is permitting millions of people to enter the country illegally good for the country if it costs taxpayers trillions, waters down education, increases crime and moves the country to the left?

Purists like Flake, Sasse and Cruz would argue these are conservative positions and should be followed even if they hurt the country and its citizens (while benefiting the elites).  Flake enjoys labeling anyone who opposes open immigration or is concerned about being forced to train a H-1B visa holder to take his job as a bigot.

Rank and file Republicans see it differently. Flake’s unconditional support of immigration and free trade riled them and cost Flake his senate seat.

Arizona Senator Jeff Flake’s announcement that he doesn’t intend to seek re-election in 2018 included much navel gazing about the future of principled conservatism in a Republican Party led by President Donald Trump.

Among those principles under fire from Trumpism, Flake said in a speech on the Senate floor, is a devotion to free trade and immigration — supposed orthodoxies of “traditional” conservatives. When it comes to the latter issue, though, Flake has long advocated policies detested by the party’s conservative voters, if not its pro-business donor class.

A member of the so-called Gang of Eight, a bipartisan group of senators that wrote a failed illegal immigration amnesty bill in 2013, Flake has been a consistently supported of legislation that makes it easier for companies to import foreign workers.

Flake has voted for several bills to increase caps on both seasonal labor and foreign tech worker visas since entering Congress in 2001, according to a voting record complied by NumbersUSA. He also opposed measures that would have prevented U.S. trade negotiators from including immigration increases in free trade agreements.

Flake is perhaps best known for his involvement in the Gang of Eight immigration reform bill. The measure, which passed in the Senate but failed in the John Boehner-led House, would have provided a path to citizenship for millions of illegal immigrants. It also contained provisions that would have added hundreds of thousands of visas for guest workers in agriculture, low-skilled industrial jobs, seasonal work, and tech positions.

The guest worker provisions in the Gang of Eight bill were an expansion of policies Flake had backed in previous pieces of legislation. As a House member during the Bush administration, Flake co-sponsored four bills to boost the number of H-1B and H-2B guest worker visas, in some cases by almost twice their current levels. After becoming a senator in 2013, he voted for a trade promotion authority bill that gave the president the power, under the now-canceled Trans-Pacific Partnership, to expand immigration levels without input from Congress.

In his Senate speech, Flake said politicians like him have a “narrower and narrower path to nomination in the Republican Party” because of Trump’s malign influence on conservatism.

As Flake’s 30 percent approval rating in Arizona suggests, ardently pro-immigration Republicans may face more opprobrium from contemporary GOP voters than they have in the past. But Flake’s 15-year voting record shows a lawmaker out of touch with the Republican base on the immigration question long before Trump became the party’s standard-bearer.

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  1. 2017 October 26 1:20 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Today was one of the rare occasions when I had a chance to listen to Rush Limbaugh in the car. He made the point that 90% of the GOP base voted for Trump, yet he has little support in a GOP Congress.

    That demonstrates the disconnect between the Republican members of Congress (particularly in the Senate) and the party’s base. In the past the Mitch McConnells, Bob Corkers and jeff Flakes were able to win primaries because the US Chamber of Commerce, big business and the donor class enabled them to outspend their opponents 10-1. RINOs

  2. 2017 October 26 1:27 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    A core problem with Senators is that their funding base is national, aka the usual funding suspects, but their voting base is state local. So what happens is that once they reach The Swamp they are turned by the forces of politics away from state interests to acquire the funding for re-election.

  3. 2017 October 26 1:36 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Can I become a refugee in my own country? — — If I could I can get a subprime car loan at a lower rate that Joe Six Pack.

    Whose country is this anyway?

  4. 2017 October 26 1:39 pm
    justrand permalink

    drdog, your comment #2 above is EXACTLY the issue. They truly believe that the lobbyists and mega-donors can get them re-elected no matter how they actually “govern”.

    It’s nearly pitchforks and torches time!

  5. 2017 October 26 1:55 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Amazon has quietly acquired Rx licenses in 12 states and continuing.

  6. 2017 October 26 3:06 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Trump to bypass UN to aid persecuted Christians in Middle East”

  7. 2017 October 26 3:22 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Quadrupling Down: 49ers donate $500k to anti-gun movement:

    (aka: we’re gonna keep giving “the finger” until no one cares about us.)

  8. 2017 October 26 4:02 pm
    justrand permalink

    bc3b: “Quadrupling Down: 49ers donate $500k to anti-gun movement:

    that is soooooo weird…there used to be a sports franchise named the “49ers”

    the National Felon League has painted itself into a corner…and no one I know gives a damn if they EVER come out of it.

  9. 2017 October 26 5:22 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Rumor has it that ole Jerry will be handing out more free tickets, possibly this weekend. Just not confirmed from anything I can find. The NFL is so out of touch with their base buyer they will probably fold.

  10. 2017 October 26 5:25 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Its not that America has a problem, its that certain American people have a problem.

  11. 2017 October 26 5:34 pm
    JimNorCal permalink

    Just noticed a group on FaceBook “One Million Fans Boycott the NFL” (im typing from memory). They’ve got a ways to go, but hey. They could hit that goal.

  12. 2017 October 26 6:17 pm
    drdog09 permalink

  13. 2017 October 26 6:50 pm
    justrand permalink

    Drdog, that is THE most accurate thing I’ve seen in years!

  14. 2017 October 26 7:59 pm
    JimNorCal permalink

    12, bravo! Stealing that one!

  15. 2017 October 26 8:39 pm
    Eph permalink


    LMAO. Damn funny

  16. 2017 October 27 2:18 am

    12 – Yuy. BTW Trump failed any easy layup by letting deep state retain jfk docs… instead of headline “trump releases last of jfk files…” dummy gives them opportunity for “trump keeps some jfk files from public” headlines, on what had been fairly good week. Dumb imho, both media wise, and on the merits or lack there of.

  17. 2017 October 27 6:00 am
    JBoz permalink

    Is it my imagination, or have HRC and Obozo been uncharacteristically quiet the past couple of days?

  18. 2017 October 27 6:27 am
    justrand permalink

    JBoz, it’s not your imagination…they are down in their respective bunkers trying to figure out who to blame, who pay off…and who to just OFF.

    Remember, just because the cockroaches scurry under the baseboards when you turn on the light, doesn’t mean they went away…they’re just laying low for a while.

  19. 2017 October 27 7:15 am

    I am a Man I am… Oct 26, 2017 10:39 PM

    This is off topic but this seems like a pretty big coincidence. The same law firm that paid Fusion GPS also hired Crowdstrike, the cyber security firm that said Russians hacked the DNC and the FBI relied on them and never looked at the DNC server.

    some comment from zh site.

    Interesting. Though the title is “When Scandals Collide”, idk.. who says they weren’t always part of the same plot.

  20. 2017 October 27 9:53 am
    justrand permalink

    it is harder and harder for The Onion to write parody…since life itself is parody these days

  21. 2017 October 27 10:21 am
    drdog09 permalink


    Tis true, tis true.

    There will have to be mega loads of pain delivered to the populace before they wake up to reality.

  22. 2017 October 27 11:00 am
    bc3b permalink

    justrand #20 and drdog09 #21 –

    Actually that’s not as far-fetched as one might think. Look at Harvey Weinstein and Mark Halperin. Both men’s activities were “open secrets” but because they were so powerful, no one took them down. The NY Times and NBC killed stories about them because of their power and friendships.

    Lisa Bloom threatened to release facts about Rose McGowan’s personal sex life.

  23. 2017 October 27 1:55 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    The pigeon has been identified — — and is has XXXXXL sized thighs.

    It amazes me that a pile of paper lacking any sort of providence as to it validity is having such an impact on the Dims. Imagine if there were actual FACTS attached.

  24. 2017 October 27 1:57 pm
    drdog09 permalink

  25. 2017 October 27 2:33 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Here are this week’s games. Lots of good match-ups. Please bold the teams you think will win and return to bjgsports! by 7 PM Friday.

    Nebraska @ Purdue
    Tennessee @ Kentucky
    Vanderbilt @ South Carolina
    Buffalo @ Akron
    Louisville @ Wake Forest

    Apppalachain State @ Massachusetts
    Virginia @ Pittsburgh
    Oklahoma State @ West Virginia
    Indiana @ Maryland
    Texas State @ Coastal Carolina

    Minnesota @ Iowa
    New Mexico @ Wyoming
    Arkansas State @ New Mexico State
    Louisiana (Monroe) @ Idaho
    California @ Colorado

    Southern Cal @ Arizona State
    Utah @ Oregon
    North Carolina State @ Notre Dame
    Michigan State @ Northwestern
    TCU @ Iowa State

    Florida Atlantic @ Western Kentucky
    Washington State @ Arizona
    Arkansas @ Mississippi
    Penn State @ Ohio State
    Boise State @ Utah State

  26. 2017 October 27 3:51 pm
    justrand permalink

    i just sent my picks, bc3b…ALL winners (unless the Russians hack my picks…again!)

  27. 2017 October 27 4:53 pm
    JimNorCal permalink

    27, moar winning! My best news today 🙂

  28. 2017 October 27 4:56 pm
    bc3b permalink

    FNC is reporting the Washington Free Beacon originally funded the Trump dossier. The Washington Free Beacon is run by Matthew Continetti. Continetti is Bill Kristol’s son-in-law.

  29. 2017 October 27 6:01 pm
    MI Conservative permalink

    Read Free Beacon response. Who else were they spying on with Fusion GPS?

  30. 2017 October 27 6:21 pm
    MI Conservative permalink

  31. 2017 October 27 7:01 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    BC, Picks are in.

  32. 2017 October 27 7:19 pm
    drdog09 permalink


    Seems pretty clear that the DNC has decided to save itself and separate from Clinton. I guess they figure they will take less heat not being attached to those thighs. My interest right now is how much detail the DNC knows of the Uranium One deal.

  33. 2017 October 27 7:21 pm
    JBoz permalink

    BC – mine as well.

  34. 2017 October 27 7:40 pm
    mulletover permalink

    First charges filed by Meuller coming Monday. Curious timing. Yeah, right.

    Could be failure to file as agent re Flynn and/or Manafort. Or some other cooked up bull crap to get the spotlight off hill and Comey.

  35. 2017 October 27 7:41 pm
    mulletover permalink

    Who will be perp walked for the CNN camera crew?

  36. 2017 October 27 9:27 pm
    justrand permalink

    Mullet, Mueller got “the call”…and is responding as instructed

  37. 2017 October 28 4:55 am

    35 -37 – EXActly.

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