Fundamental Question….

2018 March 8
by drdog09

… Will some FISA court judges go to jail?

“Well, I have great respect for Mr. Gowdy and Chairman Goodlatte, and we are going to consider seriously their recommendations,” Sessions told Bream in a Wednesday night interview. “I have appointed a person outside of Washington — many years at the Department of Justice — to look at all of the allegations that the House Judiciary Committee members sent to us and we are conducting that investigation.”


Not a special council, yet. A fair if underwhelming first step.

But let us cut to the chase. Are any judges going to jail? If not, why not? Or at least be disbarred and removed from the court.

You see, a judge in our adversarial system, jury nullification aside, is the last line of defense for the citizenry. They can kick prosecutors to the curb in the middle of a trial. They can sanction same for lacking Brady provisions on disclosure. They can jail defense attorneys for malfeasance. The list is long. But when it comes to the FISA court it is doubly important that the judge in question is wary and dutiful in following the letter and spirit of the law. There is no opposing council to argue why a warrant should be denied. The presiding the judge fulfills that role.

Now ever since the FISA court was created State actors have had a 97% success rate in receiving warrants. That is unheard of in our judicial system. Bottom line is the FISA judges are not doing their job. Corrective action? Send two to three of them to jail and disbar them.

“Kill the rooster, scare the monkey.”

33 Responses leave one →
  1. 2018 March 9 12:58 am

    Everything out of him seems to be – do the bare minimum. Just barely enough so that more members don’t join the calls for him to resign, a growing list. I’m tired of this routine, it’s like with the lawsuits over sac cities….great that’s all well and good and in 3-5 years maybe we’ll hear the end of the case… in the mean time start arresting a couple gov officials over it. Slow walking everything it seems, and it seems deliberate, and not in the ‘well planned out’ sort of deliberate way.

    No, nobody is going to jail, least of all the protected rubber stamping fisa judges – they’re doing what the whole system was designed to do, rubber stamp shit in secret, nobody wants to open the fisa judge door because it would then call into question and for pubic review all the fisa cases they’ve handled. How many times has doj presented them with flimsy shit for a rubber stamp? You know Carter page can’t even be close to the first time this shit has happened.

  2. 2018 March 9 6:27 am
    drdog09 permalink


    Agree. That is why I think it might be worthwhile that the rest of the judicial system sees some of their number perp walked into ‘the system’. Fear is a great means of clearing the mind.

  3. 2018 March 9 7:06 am

    So now for something positive least you think I’m always shitting on everything.

    Totally OT: excellent employment\economic data out today. +313k, jan revised up, dec revised up (net + another 50k) ; LFPR up (though still not where it should be of course), also related to lfpr most entrance\re-enterance into job market since 1983 (830k), quit numbers are up, which is good, showing more confidence to change jobs.

    Between this and NK it’s no wonder when I turned on the radio news while going out to get some breakfast that all abc radio and also all ‘cnn’ radio updates on the two main stations I checked…. all I heard was Mueller, manaford, adam shit saying CoryL stonewalling, lucy and his asinine “judges should be able to grab your guns bill” etc etc… then eventually they get to NK news where they follow it up with commentary about president being played (which admittedly is possible, but come on) and then local news. Nothing about economic data even mentioned.

    btw who ever mentioned to watch\find that “what about the men” segment Tucker did, thanks. I knew shit was bad, but god damn… 1% drop in male testosterone every year since 1987… so down 30%, that’s fucking crazy, crazier still nobody seems interested in it – well actually the last part isn’t that surprising given the bizzaro world we live in these days.

  4. 2018 March 9 7:34 am
    justrand permalink

    drdog: “Will some FISA court judges go to jail?”


    BUT, if they at least appoint a Special Prosecutor to look into the operations and past transgressions, then THAT might put some “Justice” back in the justice system.

    Right now it truly seems like the FBI brings in a box of donuts (creme-filled, no doubt), and they sit around with the FISA “Judge” and swap golfing & fishing stories. Then the “judge” says: “Do I even need to read this thing??”

  5. 2018 March 9 9:53 am
    drdog09 permalink

    “Do I even need to read this thing??”

    Yes Sir. That is why the Founders had insisted that trials be public. Now warrant requests are not a trial, or are they? The old missive ‘The process is the punishment’ has a good chance of applying here.

  6. 2018 March 9 9:57 am
    justrand permalink

    I was wondering why the “porn star” is suddenly claiming she is going to release information about Trump.

    Then today I read a series of “rumors” that videos of Clinton (at least Bill), Schumer, et al, with underage children may be forthcoming.

    The Dems appear to preparing to defend by attacking.

    The reality is, I don’t give a damn if Trump was with FIFTY hookers…as long as they were ADULTS. I, and the American public, DO care about children! Okay, the Democrats don’t care about kids…but everyone else does.

  7. 2018 March 9 9:58 am
    justrand permalink

    Exactly, drdog. The STAR CHAMBER aspect of the FISA courts makes my skin crawl.

  8. 2018 March 9 10:01 am
    drdog09 permalink

    Can anyone stop this behemoth? — — Amazon is looking more and more like Brwando.

  9. 2018 March 9 10:05 am
    JimNorCal permalink

    Amazon? Mortgages?
    Dang, where did that com from?

  10. 2018 March 9 10:10 am
    drdog09 permalink

    Part of a Q drop. Was that really uttered? History to date on all the EO’s confirms, but that ain’t tape.

  11. 2018 March 9 10:24 am

    8 – apt comparison, or will be soon enough. Who wants to bet like countrywide instead of a friends-of-angelo program, there will be a friends of Jeff sub-program.

  12. 2018 March 9 10:33 am
    drdog09 permalink

    Here is another fundamental… — — If a State taxes porn, one assumes that legalizes it. Would make an interesting court battle.

  13. 2018 March 9 10:47 am
    drdog09 permalink


  14. 2018 March 9 10:55 am
    justrand permalink

    I like the idea of this…but why not simply upgrade any of the Iowa-class battleships currently operating as museum pieces? A couple years to replace the boilers with a nuclear engine, while replacing some of the big guns (but not all) with rail-guns. Then add a layer of reactive armor ON TOP of the incredibly thick steel they already have…and you’ve got a platform that would be damn tough to sink! AND, it would always be part of a flotilla that would interdict subs and most other threats.

  15. 2018 March 9 12:04 pm
    justrand permalink

    bc3b…I created the March Madness pool for this year. Lots of non-BJG folks are invited too.

    I sent the invite ONLY to you so far, so if folks want to get in please let me or bc3b know and we’ll forward the invite to you!


    but if you want to log directly in, without the invite (which just makes it easier) here are the details:

    Group name: Sisyphus
    Password: Futility

  16. 2018 March 9 1:25 pm

    12 – What immensely stupid idea that doesn’t even do anything other then generate revenue while annoying consumers – so it probably has a chance to pass, lol. UK isp’s actually have this opt-out by default\filtered internet by default, you have to request access to the whole internet if you want it, though they don’t charge you a fucking fee for it – last I heard anyway.

    As for the p0rn, it was legal already so I’m not sure what you meant by interesting court case, or did you just mean free-speech lawsuit against the constitutionality of the bill?

    14 – I’ve kind of looked at that before, not impossible but not practical for the 2 ships imho. Probably take nearly as long to build some new ones, actually if you could cut out all the BS and assuming we had the yard space (probably do not), you could probably build 2 new ones (of same basic design) faster than trying to retro and refurbish the two old ones with new engines and tech, and god knows what environmental remediation we’d require these days.

    I’m not against the concept of some 21st battleship platform per say, but reviving those 2 museum pieces that still technically float is likely more trouble then it’s worth. It’s been studied a couple times, in fact congress mandated a study of it some time back in late 90’s, along with for a decade or more keeping those last 4 on the register after retirement for about as long as they could. They did same twice now with bringing f-22 production back online, the last ‘report’ btw was due back to congress no later than February 2017 on that. I could find no public record (last April or a few months later) of it actually being delivered to congress though like the last one was, not that such surprised me. Probably blackholed by obama minions. All that said there probably are a dozens destroyers and cruisers that are ghost\reserved fleeted we could probably put to sea if given two years of concentrated rehab\overhaul if we just wanted ships for ‘presence’, ‘showing the flag’, and say anti-pirate\interdiction missions (removing a little strain from rest of fleet).

    Somewhere in this house I still have a legit BB-61 hat (and not the cheap plastic back type version) which I got on board the ship when she was in NYC for fleet week in like idk… 1986 or something? I just know it was before the turret explosion incident, which happened some years later. Good memories of that day, touring a bunch of active ships with my dad who was former navy. I know they still do fleet week, but do they still let you really tour the ships? I mean we got to walk around unescorted. There were peeps around here and there to anwser questions and shit but you basically could wander 80% of the ship alone which at the time I though was the coolest shit evaah, and even at the time I though it was strange they were letting us do it, maybe just got lucky timing wise.

  17. 2018 March 9 1:31 pm

    16 – I though he was doing the whole all “I’m proud of my decisions and I’d do it again” type response to all that? So why he lie about it then?

  18. 2018 March 9 1:43 pm
    bc3b permalink

    drdog09 –

    Many government officials consided themselves like AIG and Citicopy – too big for jail.

  19. 2018 March 9 1:44 pm
    bc3b permalink

    JR –

    I’ll send the invitation to the “usual suspects” tonight.

  20. 2018 March 9 2:07 pm
    justrand permalink

    just listened to that cowardly sumbitch Deputy.

    TWO SECONDS after he called in the “Shots fired”, and gave the location of the building, he SHOULD have approached the building. Then ONLY if he was DIRECTLY fired upon from inside the building would he have been justified to fall back and establish perimeter.

    NO SHOTS were fired at him…and more children died than should have.

    Lock the prick up!

  21. 2018 March 9 2:42 pm
    bc3b permalink

    February Jobs Report 313,000 shatters expectation of 205,000. Up in every measure (including percent of workforce employed):

  22. 2018 March 9 4:29 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    “As for the p0rn, it was legal already so I’m not sure what you meant by interesting court case, or did you just mean free-speech lawsuit against the constitutionality of the bill?” — KH

    My bad, not quite clear enough. Many States have vice laws on the books separate from the Feds. The issue is does a state REALLY lock up a hooker or a porn distributor when they are collecting taxes on same? As I read the bill it was more than porn but maybe I read too much into it.

  23. 2018 March 9 4:33 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Here is the possible show stopper on the BB upgrade. Back in those days they built them as stick-frame structures, not modular like we do today. So the engines were brought in soon after the keel was laid and the rest of the ship was built around it. Just a thought.

  24. 2018 March 9 4:39 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Good Job! — — Trump pardons the submariner who was sentenced for inadvertent pictures.

  25. 2018 March 9 4:52 pm
    justrand permalink

    When the California “Bullet Train” was foisted upon the ignorant plebes of California in 2008 it was projected to cost $30 billion dollars…and be ready in TEN years 2018).

    Now the OFFICIAL revision is $77 BILLION…and it’ll ready in 2033. The reality is that the REAL estimates are that is will cost $118 BILLION, and not be ready until 2038…at the earliest. Even the “official” revision is an increase of well over 150% in cost and 150% in time. The REALISTIC estimates reflect cost & time overruns of over 300 PERCENT.

    Yes, in 2028 you will theoretically be able to take the “bullet” train from Fresno to Modesto. Ever BEEN to Fresno or Modesto?

    In 2008 when this flim-flam started all SENSIBLE people were screaming that this could NEVER be done by 2018, and the cost estimates were an obvious bait & switch. Those sensible people were literally shouted down in California as “Anit-Progress”…and called Neanderthals.$77-billion-opening-delayed/3194858/

  26. 2018 March 9 6:05 pm
    justrand permalink

    Drdog…okay, the battleship “upgrade” needs work. That said, all we’d really want is the shell…which it would be tough to build today. So gut the whole thing, and rebuild inside the shell! I didn’t say it would easy.:)

  27. 2018 March 9 6:23 pm
    JimNorCal permalink

    The case for a 21st century battleship

  28. 2018 March 9 6:42 pm
    justrand permalink

    OMG…I just watched AG Jeff Sessions on Tucker Carlson.

    Again…OMG. Okay, WTF?

    If I ever need an attorney to help me settle a lawsuit with JCPenny over an inaccurate thread count in the bedsheets I bought there on sale…HE is my guy! I wouldn’t hire that peckerwood for ANYTHING more serious.

    How the fu@k did Trump select him?

  29. 2018 March 9 6:45 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Amazing how things change when there are new knights on the battlefield — — US senators are now urging dialogue with Russia. That is something that Trump wanted to do day 1 of his administration.

    Time to ditch the DC theater and get real.

  30. 2018 March 9 7:48 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    JR – that is funny. You would hire him. LOL

  31. 2018 March 9 8:47 pm
    justrand permalink

    Gnqanq…I take the thread count in my linens seriously 🙂

  32. 2018 March 10 10:42 am

    29 – I actually tuned in last night for that live… first time in long time… total fucking waste of my time, he said nothing, and tucker pressed him on nothing.

    Like even he brought up the oakland mayor, why no questions about why she hasn’t been charged with anything? “You say you want to use all legal means, and I’m not an expert but sure seems to me you could pick her up and charge her with a host of violations.” “You say the problem in the past is nobody did anything, that they just let these people walk over the issue for far too long… which of course is true, but then why not truly show that is over and you are serious by making a few arrests in the most egregious cases?”

    pfft….instead softball questions.

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