Open Thread Saturday

2013 March 2
by bc3b

What’s on your mind?

  • Sequester
  • “I am not a dictator” but he’s sure like to be one
  • Bob Woodward and the left-wing media attacks on him
  • The economy
  • Stagnant GDP
  • Media dishonesty
  • Obamacare and its effects
  • The stupidity of the U.S. voter
  • CPAC
  • Gun control
  • Karl Rove and other RINOs
  • Illegal immigration
  • January income drop
  • Kalifornia Dreaming – whatever idiotic thing Kalifornians have done this week that will eventually affect the rest of us
  • Ice girls and cheerleaders
  • Anything else




75 Responses leave one →
  1. 2013 March 2 6:56 am
    bc3b permalink

    Colorado bill would ban pump shotgum:

    Lots of Kalifornians have moved to Colorado.

  2. 2013 March 2 7:00 am
    drdog09 permalink

    How about the President thinking he is a Jedi warrior? I mean anybody who thinks they might have to do a Jedi Mind Trick must think they are a Jedi. 🙂

  3. 2013 March 2 7:04 am
    drdog09 permalink

    Somehow BC I think the Colo bill would be over turned on appeal in fed district. Its a total ban on a firearm that Heller pretty much makes impossible. We shall see.

  4. 2013 March 2 7:32 am
    bc3b permalink

    drdog09 –

    The sad thing is that every year the courts turn further to the left and become more activist. And, Obama has nearly four more years to appoint judges.

  5. 2013 March 2 8:43 am

    The heller decision left the door wide open for outlawing
    “assult” weapons, and scalia made that point himself.
    I would be afraid of this colo law reaching scotus,, as they would
    probably uphold it. opening the door nationwide for such crap.

  6. 2013 March 2 8:46 am

  7. 2013 March 2 9:48 am
    JustMary permalink

    #1 There are cities there that have a pit bull ban as well. They destroy perfectly harmless animals because of breed discrimination. That was, believe it or not, one of the reasons we scratched Co off our list. The cities we were considering were doing this. Not shocked to hear that they are discriminating against something else that they have no clue about.

  8. 2013 March 2 9:52 am
    mulletover permalink

  9. 2013 March 2 10:08 am
    bc3b permalink

    I love dogs, but I am not sure I have a problem with a pit bull ban. People have far more control over guns they own than pit bulls they own. Guns don’t indiscriminately run down the street attacking children, the elderly, men women, other animals, etc.

    I have read dozens (hundreds) of stories about “harmless” pitt bulls that suddenly have gone beserk and killed a child (often in the owner’s family).

    Google “pit bull kills ….” Then Google “collie kills ….” You’ll see what I mean.

  10. 2013 March 2 10:16 am
    bc3b permalink

    Dog bite fatalities in the United States:

    What’s the commonaliy? “Harmless” pit bulls and Rottweillers. Not a single person killed by a Collie.

  11. 2013 March 2 10:18 am
    JustMary permalink

    That is because the story gets more attention with pit than other breeds- it is kind of like when you read this awful story about a politician and have to scroll alllllllllll the way down to the bottom in order to find out it is a democrat- those are the ‘collie bites’.

  12. 2013 March 2 10:28 am
    drdog09 permalink

    Its the combination of temperament and capability that places a breed in a certain position. Breeds like Pit Bulls, Boxers, Wolf Hounds, Bernards, Blood Hounds have the equipment to maul quite easily. Size, bite force say so. Now given a particular owner any of these breeds can be made man killers. I would also observe that Cocker Spaniels have a higher temperament disorder rate that any other breed but you don’t hear them in the press as man killers. Cockers just don’t have the physical equipment.

    Now teacup chihuahuas I keep my eyes open for those suckers.

  13. 2013 March 2 10:28 am
    bc3b permalink

    JM –

    Deaths by dog attacks:
    2005: PB 52%, Rott 21%
    2006: PB 55%, Rott 31%
    2007: PB 50%, Rott 12%
    2008: PB 65%, Huskys 13%
    2009: PB 32%, Rott 13%
    2010: PB 67%, Rott 12%
    2011: PB 70%, Rott 13%
    2012: PB 63%, Rott 9%

    I guess you are right. Pitt Bulls and Rottweillers are just the victims of bad press.

  14. 2013 March 2 10:32 am
    bc3b permalink

    drdog09 –

    I would agree with you on Cocker Spaniels; had one once and would never have one again. Plus they require a lot of handling.

    Best dog I ever had was a beagle mix that I got from the Animal Shelter. Great with adults and children, very smart and very low maintenance.

  15. 2013 March 2 10:38 am
    JustMary permalink

    Bad owners are the problem more than the dogs. You can breed ANY dog to be aggressive, but you have to try really hard to get a pit to be agressive towards people, because it goes against their nature. They can be aggressive towards other dogs, but believe it or not- are not the best guard dogs, because they don’t want to hurt people. Often times, the stories that come out with a pit attack, are ones where the dog has been subjected to abuse or neglect. Bad owners.

    Bad people own guns too, but it isn’t the guns that are bad.

  16. 2013 March 2 10:40 am
    JustMary permalink

    BTW- my husband has been bitten 3 times by German Shepards.

  17. 2013 March 2 10:44 am
    Mr Evilwrench permalink

    Well, you also get the jackwagons that want a badass dog and hear of the pit bull, get one and train it to be vicious. Michael Vick? I remember back in the 70s the scary dog was the doberman, but I’ve faced those down. Ten more years, we’ll probably have something else to fear. I’ve heard of plenty of pit bulls that were perfectly gentle and stayed that way. Those just don’t make the news.

  18. 2013 March 2 10:51 am
    JustMary permalink

    #17 Gang members love them because they look menacing…and they train them to be menacing. Gang members are one of the main reasons that breed has a bad reputation, so I say we ban gang members. 😀

  19. 2013 March 2 10:54 am
    bc3b permalink

    “BTW- my husband has been bitten 3 times by German Shepards.”

    Yes, and you are both still alive.

    Here’s a story about a (probably) sweet 91 year old woman. Her two pit bulls were harmless and innocent until they decided to kill her earlier this year. Bet she trained them to be killers.

    JM – When you get in a hole, stop digging. As drdog09 stated, some breeds have a tendency toward visciousness and pit bulls have the strength to carry it off.

  20. 2013 March 2 10:55 am
    mulletover permalink

    The only dog that ever came after me was a mastiff. That will wake you up. I was walking my golden in an unfamiliar neighborhood. Fortunately, the owner got to him in time.

    JM has a good point. Dogs respond to the way they are treated or to pack behavior. Many pit bulls are owned by people who could care less about them. They pick up on that.

    That being said, I don’t trust them for the most part.

  21. 2013 March 2 10:59 am
    bc3b permalink

    Jm –

    Never thought of that. The 91 year old woman could have baan a gang-banger. probably a member of the Disciples … or maybe a Blood or MS-13.

    Now, it makes sense. It wasn’t the dog’s fault. It was Granny Gang-banger’s fault.

    Pit bulls don’t kill people. Chihuahuas kill people and blame it on pit bulls.

  22. 2013 March 2 11:03 am
    bc3b permalink

    O/T –

    VCU is really kicking Butler’s butt: 80-51.

  23. 2013 March 2 11:04 am
    JustMary permalink

    #19 I can almost guarantee you there is more to that story.

  24. 2013 March 2 11:06 am
    bc3b permalink

    Comment #22 wasn’t really O/T since this is an open thread. Sorry about that. Hope I didn’t confuse anyone.

  25. 2013 March 2 11:11 am
    bc3b permalink

    JM –

    “#19 I can almost guarantee you there is more to that story.”

    That’s the same thing the mothers (dads aren’t around if they can even be identified) of the sweet kids arrested for killing the 15 year old honor student in Chicago are probably saying. “My sweet son was aiming at someone else and that stupid b!tch got in the way. It’s not his fault.”

    Keep digging!!!

  26. 2013 March 2 11:11 am
    JustMary permalink

    Look, I really do feel about pits the way I feel about guns. The arguments you make are the same ones anti-gun folks make. I do not blame the dogs any more than I blame the guns. In some cases, shit happens, in other cases, people MAKE shit happen.

  27. 2013 March 2 11:18 am
    bc3b permalink

    JM –

    The difference is that guns can’t kill people on their own. Pit bulls can.

    You haven’t Googled “Pit bull kills ….” have you? In addition to people, you’ll find stories about horses and other anumals. But, then it’s the farmer’s fault for leaving the horse in his field. But, I am sure Chihuahuas kill horses too, and pit bulls get blamed.

  28. 2013 March 2 11:21 am
    JustMary permalink

    Watch the video I posted, bc. Another part of the problem is misidentification.

  29. 2013 March 2 11:21 am
    JustMary permalink

    Oh, and what is your hangup with Chihuahuas? That is comparing apples to watermelons.

  30. 2013 March 2 11:25 am
    bc3b permalink

    I just added an image of “man’s best friend.” This one was “framed” for killing a pregnant woman.

  31. 2013 March 2 11:31 am
    JustMary permalink


  32. 2013 March 2 11:31 am
    JustMary permalink

    #31 Uh huh, because they all look like that.

  33. 2013 March 2 11:34 am
    JustMary permalink

    I reject your reality, and substitute my own.

  34. 2013 March 2 11:49 am
    drdog09 permalink

    My family are Dachshund owners. Have had 7 since I was a kid. Now if you don’t set the expectation of who is `alpha` (you) in the group you might as well put them down. They have a temperament that can be as bad as a mean treated pit bull and can tear you up pretty bad as well. That and they are extremely hard to retrain. Great with kids and we never had to worry about strangers if the kids were with the dogs. They would just latch onto some body part and won’t let go. 🙂

  35. 2013 March 2 11:51 am
    drdog09 permalink

    Oh, and what is your hangup with Chihuahuas?

    More politicians have died of ankle bitten syndrome than any other breed. eg. Mendendez’s current problems…. 🙂

  36. 2013 March 2 12:28 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Watching the Creighton – Wichita State game – can’t remember thw last time I saw so many white kind on the court at one time in a D-1 game.

  37. 2013 March 2 12:30 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Dachshund aren’t hard to out-run. Climbing up stairs is another good defense.

  38. 2013 March 2 1:36 pm
    JustMary permalink

    Whatevs, bc3b. I am pretty sure we aren’t going to change each other’s minds on this one. I have plenty of experience with pits- both ones owned by good owners, and ones owned by bad owners. How much pit experience do you have, or are you going by what you gave seen on the news? Frankly, how is our pit disagreement any different from the gun debate? If you don’t like pits, don’t own one, but don’t tell me I can’t have one just because someone else was irresponsible with theirs.

  39. 2013 March 2 1:48 pm
    Mr Evilwrench permalink

    Not sayin ya won’t get a lot of google hits for “pit bull kills”, but on the other hand, how many do you think you’re going to get for “pit bull doesn’t kill” or “pit bull doesn’t attack”? It happens more often, it’s just not news.

  40. 2013 March 2 1:54 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Well JM, I don’t have any experience with MS-13, the Diciples or the Bloods, either. But, common sense tells me that a kid that is a member of MS-13 isn’t more likely to get in trouble than a kid who doesn’t belong to a gang. Ona breed that isn’t even in the top 10 most populat breeds in the country is responsible for 50% – 70% of all deaths due to dog attacks every year for the the past eight years.

    I love dogs and have had many throughout my life, but there are some breeds we would be better off without.

  41. 2013 March 2 1:59 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Mr Evilwrench –

    Try Googling “Collie kills ….”, “Beagle kills ….”, “Lab kills ….”

    You won’t find much, if anything. AS drdog09 points out, even if one of these dogs goes bad and attacks someone, it doesn’t have the strength to inflect fatal wounds.

  42. 2013 March 2 2:08 pm

    Gun vs Pitbull = pretty clear outcome, no need to ban either.

    I’m against any city\town wide ban on typical types of pets, or even not so typical.
    For the record I’ve never owned a pet myself. I did kill a neighbors dog once that was attacking\biting me when I was like 10 or 11, I just fixed the glitch after getting him off of me (self defense *cough*), I don’t think it was a pitbull though it was smaller.

  43. 2013 March 2 2:17 pm

    #40 haha or…
    “…Gun owner doesn’t go crazy and shoot up news at 11…” /not 🙂

  44. 2013 March 2 2:21 pm

  45. 2013 March 2 2:29 pm

    Live by the sword,~~~etc etc

  46. 2013 March 2 2:36 pm
    bc3b permalink

    KH #45 – Coming to a neighborhood near you (and me).

  47. 2013 March 2 2:46 pm
    JustMary permalink

    #44 Pretty much.

  48. 2013 March 2 2:56 pm
    bc3b permalink

    JM –

    Did you remove my “Adolph Hitler was adorable as a pup” image?

  49. 2013 March 2 2:58 pm
    JustMary permalink

    #50 Yes…it is not at all the same thing. Hitler was a bad person, an individual. Hitler wasn’t a breed. There aren’t good Hitlers and bad Hitlers. Irrelevant. If anything, we should then ban children, since one might turn out to be Hitler. It is said that Hitler’s mom wanted to have an abortion, so should that make me pro-choice?

  50. 2013 March 2 3:05 pm
    drdog09 permalink


    I love the sub heading — “Google can post “short excerpts” freely—but what that means, nobody knows.”

    You and I both know what that means. Google will exit any presence in the German Republic and its content will still be viewable anywhere in Germany. You would think at this late date politicians would understand that for digital publishing there are no borders that can contain it.

  51. 2013 March 2 3:08 pm
    JustMary permalink

    #52 Indeed.

  52. 2013 March 2 3:10 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    JM, BC there are some distinctions between an animal and a gun. An animal has instincts a gun does not. If the animal gets the urge, well its all over but the blood spatter. A gun only assumes the motivations of the person holding it.

  53. 2013 March 2 3:19 pm

    52 – Yup, not to mention it reads like a legal department full employment act.
    For those of you in london with cat(s)… all zero of you. 🙂

  54. 2013 March 2 3:19 pm
    JustMary permalink

    #54 This is true, but when it comes to a ban, the argument used is ‘something bad might happen, therefore we should ban it’ and it is completely unfair. This is how the topic got raised. CO towns were knocking on doors and taking dogs from homes. These dogs had done nothing wrong, they were slaughtered based on their breed and worse- they were killed based on characteristics, meaning that you could have a dog who slightly resembled a pit and it was still killed. They killed family pets because ‘maybe’, just like they want to ban guns because ‘maybe’.

  55. 2013 March 2 3:22 pm

    btw fatty in NJ signed into law this week a online poker legalization bill but it’s so retarded it really should just be called the keeping the current nj casinos monopoly intact while the state up’s it’s rake act.

  56. 2013 March 2 3:23 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Little secret about Mr. Morgan and his little gun crusade. The Dunblane School shooting occurred in 1996. Morgan was editor of the Daily Mirror at the time. He made it a crusade to ban hand guns subsequently. Not because it was good politics but because the readership rate at the Mirror rose significantly. He was in it for the money. He is doing the same thing here. Why does he single out AR-15s? Its not because they are statistically that dangerous. Of all shootings they are very low according to FBI stats. Its because they are low statistically that he does so. By getting them banned he achieves getting all those other weapons banned that are higher up on the list. Another words Morgan is replaying a publishing formula that worked for him in the past.

    The man is money monger with no principles.

  57. 2013 March 2 3:26 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    JM, 57,

    They be doing the same about pigs in Michigan.

  58. 2013 March 2 3:31 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Oh, my sides are splitting —

  59. 2013 March 2 3:34 pm
    JustMary permalink

    #60 Because some pigs are feral, right?

  60. 2013 March 2 3:39 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    JM, from my understanding no. Fact the feral pigs are exempted as `wildlife`. Its particular heritage breeds that are being destroyed.

  61. 2013 March 2 3:41 pm

    61 – Seen many of those before in similar gun fails collection videos on YT, just search gun fails you’ll be busy all night. 🙂

  62. 2013 March 2 3:43 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    KH, don’t know if my ribs could stand it! 🙂

  63. 2013 March 2 3:54 pm
    JustMary permalink

    #66 That is so sad. 🙁

  64. 2013 March 2 3:56 pm
    bc3b permalink

    JM –

    “#50 Yes…it is not at all the same thing.”

    My point, which apparently you missed, is that most young (regardless of whether they are human or not) are usually cute. Snakes and lizzards being exceptions. Being cute when they are young has no bearing on how they will turn out as adults.

    You really are big on this pit bull thing, aren’t you? You cannot deny the fact that a breed that doesn’t even rank in the top ten in popularity is responsible for approximately 60%+ of all deaths due to dog attacks.

  65. 2013 March 2 4:01 pm
    bc3b permalink

    KH #58 –

    Atlantic City casinos are not doing well. Trump Plaza was just sold again for a fraction of what it was sold for a few years ago. Indian Tribal casinos are really taking their toll on Atlantic City..

    Once you get away from the casino area, Atlantic City is a pit. The hotels never took off. Too many daytime visitors bussed in from New York and Philadelphia.

  66. 2013 March 2 4:05 pm
    JustMary permalink

    #68 It is an issue of personal responsibility, that is all. I am just as pissed about people using Adam Lanza as an excuse to ban all “assault style” guns, because, really, anything can be used to assault someone, which is a backdoor to a complete ban. This original conversation came about because of CO wanting to ban the pump shotgun. Why? Why ban it and not swimming pools? Your child is more likely to drown in the family pool than die by the family gun, and yet, folks seek after pool homes. I didn’t bring it up about the pools, because they didn’t ban pools, they banned and subsequently slaughtered pits. Harmless family pets were taken from their homes because of a breed ban. Similarly, Joe Schmoe just trying to protect his home is now being threatened with the loss of his shotgun through no fault of his own. Liberty means nothing to people anymore. New Yorkers are complaining about the soda ban…really? You’ll complain about a soda and not the countless other rights you don’t have? Folks complaining about Obama’s Star Trek mix-up that said nothing about Benghazi…I’m just saying. I do happen to love pits, but it isn’t clouding my judgement on liberty.

  67. 2013 March 2 4:11 pm

    Really I’m supposed to be overly concerned about something killed a whopping 38 total deaths last year in the US (23 by pitbull), no just no. /just saying.
    Anyway I’m off to relieve some people of their money catch y’all tomorrow.

  68. 2013 March 2 4:14 pm

    “Once you get away from the casino area, Atlantic City is a pit.”

    I know I used to live up there remember, there was the boardwalk area and then….the rest of the city which was\is a hellhole.

  69. 2013 March 2 6:11 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    I’ll say one thing, McKinley has some hutzpah — — A walking tour of the destruction The Machine has wrought.

  70. 2013 March 2 6:28 pm
    Mr Evilwrench permalink

    Well, now, that Star Wars/Trek thing is important stuff. For small values of important.

  71. 2013 March 2 8:11 pm

    Romney, vichy repub

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