From Those Wonderful People Who Gave You WMDs and the Benghazi YouTube Video

2016 December 30
by bc3b

We are truly living in strange times. We have discussed how many of us disagree with so-called conservatives (especially members of Conservatism, Inc. for whom profiting from conservatism is more important than conservatism) on a number of key issues, but how shocking is it when we find ourselves on the same side as Rolling Stone Magazine?

Unlike the Mainstream Media (NY Times, Washington Post and CNN among others), which largely are buying the Russian hacking story hook, line and sinker, Rolling Stone Magazine calls the so-called US intelligence agencies reports “long on jargon and short on specifics.”

Rolling Stone cites how US intelligence agencies were wrong on Saddam Hussein having a cache of weapons of mass destruction, which were never able to find. It also could have cited the amateurish video the Obama Administration claimed caused the attack on the US  Benghazi compound, which resulted in the murder of the US ambassador and three other Americans. Susan Rice was the administration’s point person hitting all the Sunday morning news shows, claiming the video was responsible for the Benghazi attack.

Americans who are paying attention, which doesn’t include the MSM, no longer trust their own government any more than they trust foreign governments. If the Russians really did influence the November 8 election, where is the proof?

In an extraordinary development Thursday, the Obama administration announced a series of sanctions against Russia. Thirty-five Russian nationals will be expelled from the country. President Obama issued a terse statement seeming to blame Russia for the hack of the Democratic National Committee emails.

“These data theft and disclosure activities could only have been directed by the highest levels of the Russian government,” he wrote.

Russia at first pledged, darkly, to retaliate, then backed off. The Russian press today is even reporting that Vladimir Putin is inviting “the children of American diplomats” to “visit the Christmas tree in the Kremlin,” as characteristically loathsome/menacing/sarcastic a Putin response as you’ll find.

This dramatic story puts the news media in a jackpot. Absent independent verification, reporters will have to rely upon the secret assessments of intelligence agencies to cover the story at all.

Many reporters I know are quietly freaking out about having to go through that again. We all remember the WMD fiasco.

“It’s déjà vu all over again” is how one friend put it.

You can see awkwardness reflected in the headlines that flew around the Internet Thursday. Some news agencies seemed split on whether to unequivocally declare that Russian hacking took place, or whether to hedge bets and put it all on the government to make that declaration, using “Obama says” formulations.

The New York Times was more aggressive, writing flatly, “Obama Strikes Back at Russia for Election Hacking.” It backed up its story with a link to a joint FBI/Homeland Security report that details how Russian civilian and military intelligence services (termed “RIS” in the report) twice breached the defenses of “a U.S. political party,” presumably the Democrats.

This report is long on jargon but short on specifics. More than half of it is just a list of suggestions for preventive measures.

At one point we learn that the code name the U.S. intelligence community has given to Russian cyber shenanigans is GRIZZLY STEPPE, a sexy enough detail.

But we don’t learn much at all about what led our government to determine a) that these hacks were directed by the Russian government, or b) they were undertaken with the aim of influencing the election, and in particular to help elect Donald Trump.

The problem with this story is that, like the Iraq-WMD mess, it takes place in the middle of a highly politicized environment during which the motives of all the relevant actors are suspect. Nothing quite adds up.

Hat tip: Rolling Stone

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  1. 2016 December 31 4:58 am
    President Paul permalink

    Brennan is known to have politicized the CIA for Obama. Maybe he feels he owes him.

    “Ed Klein: Comey Told Trump That Brennan Has Politicized The CIA In The Same Way Holder Politicized DOJ”

  2. 2016 December 31 5:05 am
    President Paul permalink

    Lebron wish: no MJ comparisons

    (how about not choosing 23 as his jersey number…)

  3. 2016 December 31 6:12 am

    Like some have said. Where is the beef? It’s certainly not in the public ‘report’ they put out, I literally laughed my ass off last night catching a 2-3 minutes piece of some news program calling it “detailed”, which to me meant they’re either ignorant as fuck about what they were reading, or just doing their usual snow job for the selected narrative – or as is usually the case – both.

    /mini rant: on

    When we accused China of being behind the OPM ‘hack’, at least we were actually given at least some evidence directly pointing at China, like one of the primary userid’s used to grab large parts of the data was from…hey you guessed it a contract employee who literally lived in China (wtf?), and had legit root access to the whole system (double wtf?), yes there were additional backdoor software found to be involved too, but it appeared that person was the initial attack vector to get that sh1t in the door, either knowingly or not which somehow we’ve still not been informed about more than a year later. My guess is his job was get the stuff in the door and spreading, let the malware do the actual theft for plausible deniability if detected (didn’t quite work out that way though), but i digress.
    The data was also being sent to Chinese ip’s. What’s funny is none of that is actually a smoking gun either, but in this game, along with clear motivation (and a clear history of stealing our shit gov or corporate), that’s about as close as you’re gonna get unless someone is super stupid or a non-state actor.

    What the US Intel agencies don’t want to talk about…. a single thing mentioned in the documentary Zerodays related to their own programs. A ‘movie’ btw I very much recommend people watch if they want to know the background on “Olympic Games” aka Stuxnet op, but detailed in I think understandable layman terms. More interesting in that documentary is a discussion toward the end about the operations you’ve never heard of that go much much farther than just that one targeted op. We have many ongoing infiltrations with far deeper reach into Iran and elsewhere, though that really shouldn’t surprise anyone. There is good reason to be worried about critical infrastructure and all that when it comes to cyber security, and why many people have been largely on the DL been worried about it for years – because we know what we could do, and probably have access to do, if we wanted to toward others, and nothing much prevents others from doing that same sh1t to us.

    …and then to hear the “intel community” aka the administration or largely ignorant members of congress bitch about Russian hackers, without even providing real evidence is the absolute height of hypocrisy. Throwing up their arms in hysteria about trying to influence elections… as if that hasn’t been part of the CIA’s work over the years all around the globe via information\propaganda (not to mention some limited attempts at vote rigging long ago), and as if this administration didn’t attempt to “influence” the last Israeli election, or for that matter brexit to a degree, is an absolute joke.

    Never mind of course what Snowden showed the masses what the NSA and CIA have been up to for decades, including against their own people, people can debate the right\wrong of that, but what thanks to him can’t be debated any longer is that it’s not happening.

    Also never mind of course that what real evidence exists says the DNC ‘hack’ was a direct leak from an insider, and if we get into circumstantial evidence, there is plenty that suggests the ID of one of the persons involved was determined, and that person is now suspiciously dead. Podesta was phished from a eastern european cyber gang (of which there are many dozens) – at least according to “sources”, one of whole presumably turned the stash over to wikileaks. Who contracted them, if anyone (it is possible he just got randomly hit like millions of others), is not known, it could have been elements of Russian intel, it could have been Israel (had more motive than Russia post primaries), or just as easily been anyone else, including elements of our own government, or for that matter another trying to make it look like such group did it- which is not that hard to do in this game, and for which the motivation for doing such would be very high.

    Forgotten in all this BS is that the RNC was targeted as well in early 2016, mostly unsuccessfully, though Julian did say they got a couple dozen emails from one RNC operative in late spring along with the DNC stuff, but that nothing in those emails were contradicted by what was being said in public by these folks or the RNC so they were not of interest.

    Nobody ‘hacked’ this election.
    Private but TRUE, information was leaked to the public about DNC internal communications\operations – it showed three primary things – rank hypocrisy, collusion and conspiracy to deny Bernie the nomination, and that the MSM was absolutely in bed with and just another arm of the DNC.

    John Podesta’s email communications( up till late spring) also leaked to the public. It showed so many things, but mostly that he, and the Clinton camp in general were the liars we always knew them to be even to their own staff at times. That conspiracies among various camps including the us-state-dept existed to attempt to coverup hillary’s, email and other scandals. Finally they added ever more proof that the Clinton camp,the DNC, and the MSM were effectively all working together as arms of the same campaign. Things many of us all knew already but it was nice to have some documentation on, not unlike Snowden’s data actually in some ways.

    BTW – If it was the russians why they not considered whistleblowers by some of the same groups that think Snowden is? /lol

    You know what makes the most sense to me with the timing of all the snatches of info and everything we know. One pissed off Bernie supporter with ‘accesss’ at the DNC, and some pissed off bernie hacker(s) somewhere threw out a spear-phishing line at podesta’s email account and he stupidly bit. Both saw some value in embarrassing Hillary and figured wikileaks would rush to press with it, instead they metered it out slowly for max-effect and the media predictably did there level best to ignore it all. It didn’t have much impact in my opinion in the end, it should have, it might have if it had been actually covered well, but it didn’t, all it did was rally some of those that were already on board the Trump train.

    All that said…
    Yes, the Russians attempt to hack us where they can, as do the Chinese even more so, as do the norks, the iranians, and plenty of other nations (both friend and foe alike) and non-state actors, and of course the random proverbial basement dwellers too…. every hour of every fucken day, and we them – that’s the game.
    I’m not remotely convinced “the russians” were really behind any of this. I’m not convinced the Kremlin was all that worried about Clinton, they’d already put a down-payment on buying her off a few years before, no reason to think they couldn’t finish the job, though I do think putin personally preferred Trump (easier personality), I think he also knew Hillary would be more likely to continue down the path of finishing-off what was left of America from within – probably could have flipped a coin in the end and was probably just as surprised as the MSM on election night.

    /rant off

    Oh as to the point about trusting government agencies, particularly intel ones, I used to give them the benefit of the doubt. I simply can’t after the events of the last decade, and I not even talking about things they just got flat wrong (sadly that does happen), but what they’ve knowingly lied about, particularly in the last 5-6 years. There is saying nothing (understandable), there is throwing out some sort of ‘mostly truth’ spin for the current administration (sort of expected here and there), and then there is flat out lying to the public and congress (NSA spying) and fabricating pure BS to feed to the American public (CIA Benghazi most notably but there are other things too)… and they’ve been delving into the latter way too often for last 5 years.

    It’s time for some “trust but verify”, heavy on the verify for awhile when it comes to US intel, hopefully most of whats been corrupted was only at the top, though I suspect that’s not entirely the case.
    Also, why the fuck do we have 17 different “intelligence agencies” of which the CIA is only one, so much for “Central” huh? (sounds like a joke George Carlin might have been able to use) BTW if ‘all 17’ signed off on this signed off on this Russian sh1t I’m supposed to believe the Coast Guard intelligence was in any way focused on or had access to investigate this, or the guys that make the maps at the NGIA? lmao….right.

    You who were the biggest attempted ‘hackers’ of this election, and past elections.
    The top 10 MSM outlets.

  4. 2016 December 31 6:17 am

    ” Brennan Has Politicized The CIA In The Same Way Holder Politicized DOJ”

    That one statement seems dead on and makes for a much pithier rant. 🙂

    It should be added…

    “Or how Lynch continued it and how I politicized the FBI.”

  5. 2016 December 31 6:31 am
    bc3b permalink

    President Paul & KH –

    Like Barack Obama, John Brennan is also known for his pro-Islamic sentiments. In fact, some believe he actually is Muslim.

  6. 2016 December 31 7:33 am
    justrand permalink

    as drdog posted on the previous thread:

  7. 2016 December 31 7:53 am
    justrand permalink

    KH…good rant, btw 🙂

  8. 2016 December 31 7:54 am
    justrand permalink

  9. 2016 December 31 7:56 am
    drdog09 permalink

    Lets assume the Russians did hack the election.

    Then the question becomes what is the best point of attack? The voting booth? That would only be worthwhile if can assure that the code that gets planted votes for your outcome. Which for the hacker is a problem as the machines are tested before use. If erred the machine or machines are pulled from service. Such an attack is also a much larger logistical problem. You have three different vendors with different code bases to wrangle and thousands of machines to attempt to control. Worse you may have to apply a multitude of attack vectors county by county in some cases, or a minimum 50 states.

    No that simply won’t do. Yet this is the approach most typically given by the press.

    Is there a better way? Sure hack the Supervisor of Elections and the Secretary of State sites. These are the aggregation points. The SoE is probably the best point to control. Depending on system they take feeds electronically direct or indirect. Number of machines to control is less by at least by a factor of 10. Better still its not quite as visible as it might be hacking the SoS sites.

    I have yet to hear a use case bandied about by the press as depicted.

    Then we have Wisconsin. Thanks to Ms. Stein we have a state level audit of election result right down to voting location. The difference between reported tally and audited tally that the % change is rounding error at 8 places. Fact Trump gained, Clinton lost votes. Less than 20 votes total. Michigan did not complete their audit per legal discharge, b
    ut those counties that did a recount found no major errors in their totals.

    Fraud? You betcha! But its done the old way. Shoe leather moving people to double vote. Raising the dead to vote. Using mail in voting. Dual residency voting. You won’t hear the press talk about any of that cause that is the way the Dims pull that stuff off.

    The ‘Russians Did It!’ is just another shiny.

  10. 2016 December 31 8:08 am
    bc3b permalink

    drdog09 #9 –

    Good points.

    The media has absolutely no interest in looking into voter fraud even though it appears a significant number of illegal aliens likely voted and in one Detroit precinct 306 votes were recorded even though only 50 ballots were cast.

  11. 2016 December 31 8:18 am

    “Washington Post Stirs Fear After False Report of Power Grid Hack by Russia
    Story quickly falls apart after investigation finds claims to be inaccurate”

    WaPo ‘s new tag line – If it’s a bunch of bullsh1t we’ll print it!

    Not to be outdone – China, quite familiar with fake news itself, want’s in on the global fake news action.

    “SHANGHAI: China Central Television (CCTV), Beijing’s largest and most important TV network, said it will launch a new global media platform at the stroke of New Year’s Day to help re-brand China overseas. “

  12. 2016 December 31 8:32 am

    10 – Yup. Good old… “I don’t think it scanned right, let’s scan your ballot again… nope not that time either… lets scan it again, and again… ah yes to took this time sir” 🙄 That happened at more than just one precinct in Detroit, though they were not all as extreme as 6:1, scanners at 248 location reported more votes than voters… that’s 37% of voting locations in city. That’s systematic voter fraud, that’s attempted-and-successful hacking of an election. That was just Detroit, where else in the state did it go on? Subtract that bs and MI wasn’t nearly as close as it first appeared.

  13. 2016 December 31 8:37 am
    bc3b permalink

    KH –

    The WaPo was always extremely biased. Since Jeff Bezos bought it, the WaPo has become a joke. If it weren’t for the sports section, the WaPo would be all fake news.

  14. 2016 December 31 8:38 am

    13 – All true. Though given what pass as ‘sports news’… that should probably be considered fake too.

  15. 2016 December 31 9:23 am
    justrand permalink

  16. 2016 December 31 9:32 am

    Unlike the Mainstream Media (NY Times, Washington Post and CNN among others), which largely are buying the Russian hacking story hook, line and sinker,

    PravdaUSA (the propagandist NY Times, Washington Post and CNN among others) are not ‘buying’ anything……they are knowingly aiding in the construct of a false narrative. That’s what propagandists do.

  17. 2016 December 31 9:32 am
    bc3b permalink

    John Bolton: Russia must “feel the pain” over cyber attacks:

    The farther Trump stays away from this neocon nutjob, the better. Like McCain and Miss Lindsey, Bolton won’t be happy until we are in WWIII.

    Never trust a man who looks like a walrus.

  18. 2016 December 31 10:31 am

    15 – Survey says nope.

  19. 2016 December 31 11:03 am
    MI Conservative permalink

  20. 2016 December 31 11:12 am
    bc3b permalink

    MIC –

    Obviously Bolton is trying to send some type of message with his physical appearance , but other than “lat’s start a war,” I have no idea what it is.

  21. 2016 December 31 11:13 am


    Shades of pearl harbor, when many of our major ships with the exception of the carriers were conviently parked in rows at ford island etc etc.

    The sleeping giant slumbers again.~~WBF

  22. 2016 December 31 11:50 am
    justrand permalink

    IP, that was my very first thought…WBF.

  23. 2016 December 31 12:02 pm
    bc3b permalink

  24. 2016 December 31 5:45 pm
    drdog09 permalink


    CVN-69 Dwight D. Eisenhower The Med
    CVN-76 Ronald Reagan Yokosuka

    The balance are at Norfolk, or Bremerton. This stand down schedule has been baked in since late 2014.

    The question I have is why would be spend a dime floating around the ME? We get less than 1% of our oil from the ME and the Euros don’t give a damn. Let their asses freeze. Maybe some of those ‘refugees’ might give a second thought to going there.

  25. 2016 December 31 5:49 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Bolton is an has been. The Russkies seem to be kicking ass pretty well. Congress ought to forward funding to them to continue. ME is a snake pit. RU will not stay any longer than they have to. They learned that in Afghanistan. Once they snag pipeline rights they are out of there.

  26. 2016 December 31 5:59 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Needed badly — — Not!

    Something does not smell right, literally. Import cheap labor for meat packing? You know what Perdue and Tyson are doing? They buzz the birds dead, then feathers, guts and all, flash freeze them in blocks. They are then shipped to China and Vietnam for processing. Packaged they are refrozen (yet USDA says we home owners should not….) and shipped back. They still keep the ‘Made in USA’ label.

    Now I don’t like either method but given my druthers ship them suckers. At least then I am not on the hook for support payments even if my chance of food poisoning increase. People wonder why I raise my own chicken flock.

  27. 2016 December 31 6:07 pm

    Another slaughter in Istanbul.

    24 – “The question I have is why would be spend a dime floating around the ME?” – cause we were bombing isis since late 2014.

  28. 2016 December 31 6:21 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    “– cause we were bombing isis since late 2014.”

    Or not depending on what foreign intel service you believe…. 🙂

  29. 2016 December 31 6:21 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    KH – wonder if there was an Amish sighting?

  30. 2016 December 31 6:33 pm
    justrand permalink

    Angela Merkle today uttered her re-election campaign slogan, it is (no kidding):
    “Stronger Together”

    That worked so well for Hillary… 🙂

    She uttered that (in German) during her year end address. She also (again, no kidding) said that “Islamic Terror is our greatest test”

    Wait…WTF? She just IMPORTED a million+ Islamic “refugees” who were UN-vetted. Kinda like Al Capone lamenting “alcoholism is our greatest threat”

  31. 2016 December 31 6:33 pm
    justrand permalink

    P.s. Happy New Year, ya’ll. 🙂

  32. 2016 December 31 6:38 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Yes, happy New Years everybody!!!!

    Excuse me but we started on Moscow Time (3pm CT) been trying to keep up with the ‘ringers’ here ever since. I sorta smashed and have 5 hours yets to go…..

  33. 2016 December 31 6:43 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    Play on!

    Yeah I complained about Trump jumping on the golf. But hey he dumped the press pool to do it. Nice trade. Besides it makes it easier to pull off that Mulligan.

  34. 2016 December 31 7:52 pm
    JBoz permalink

    KH – Re: Istanbul…An isolated event, no ties to ISIS, has nothing to do with Islam, the work of a crazy deranged person, has nothing to do with Islam, lone wolf, it has nothing to do with Islam, and we shouldn’t jump to any conclusions.

    Did I miss anything?

  35. 2017 January 1 1:59 am

    25 (and others) – Nope, you nailed everything. 🙂

    Happy New Year everyone.

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