Abuses in the Spy Agencies Grew under Bush43

2017 December 29
by bc3b

The longer he has been out of office, the worse George W. Bush’s presidency looks:

  • 15 of the 19 9-11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia, yet he attacks Iraq increasing instability in the Middle East
  • Going to war in Afghanistan and tying the military’s hands with increased rules-of-engagement
  • Initiating the Department of Homeland Security to spy on Americans, but refusing to secure the borders
  • Poor judicial choices. John Roberts is hardly his only mistake
  • Taking the advice of Grover Norquist on Islam and neocons on foreign policy
  • Economic failure
  • Surrounding himself with people like David Frum and Nicolle Wallace, who are now working to destroy President Trump
  • Etc., etc., etc.

While Bush43, was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, he was far from the most intelligent man ever to occupy the Oval Office. Had dad not been forced onto the Reagan ticket. there likely would have been no Bush41, Bush43 or even Governor Jeb Bush.

One of NorCalJim’s favorite writers, Don Surber, outlines how Bush helped grow the abuses in the country’s intelligence agencies.

Blame George Walker Bush for Obama’s political abuse of the nation’s spy agencies. Sharyl Attkisson, an Emmy-winning investigative journalist, wrote in the Hill, “10 times the intel community violated the trust of US citizens, lawmakers and allies.”

Her list began with President Bush 43.

And it began before 9/11. In fact, it was one of his first acts as president.

From Attkisson:

Joe Nacchio, CEO of telecom giant Qwest, said that after he refused to spy on his customers for the National Security Agency (NSA) without a warrant in February of 2001, the government retaliated by yanking a contract worth hundreds of millions of dollars and filing an insider trading case against him. He went to prison. The government denied charges of retaliation.

The Bush administration prosecuted Nacchio for insider trading, and he was convicted in 2007.

The Washington Post reported on October 13, 2007:

Former chief executive Joseph P. Nacchio, convicted in April of 19 counts of insider trading, said the NSA approached Qwest more than six months before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, according to court documents unsealed in Denver this week.

Details about the alleged NSA program have been redacted from the documents, but Nacchio’s lawyer said last year that the NSA had approached the company about participating in a warrantless surveillance program to gather information about Americans’ phone records.

In the court filings disclosed this week, Nacchio suggests that Qwest’s refusal to take part in that program led the government to cancel a separate, lucrative contract with the NSA in retribution. He is using the allegation to try to show why his stock sale should not have been considered improper.

Nacchio was convicted for selling shares of Qwest stock in early 2001, just before financial problems caused the company’s share price to tumble. He has claimed in court papers that he had been optimistic that Qwest would overcome weak sales because of the expected top-secret contract with the government. Nacchio said he was forbidden to mention the specifics during the trial because of secrecy restrictions, but the judge ruled that the issue was irrelevant to the charges against him.

So you demand cooperation, the CEO resists, you pull your contract, the company’s stock tanks, and you convict the CEO of insider trading.

You don’t think every other CEO in America knows this?

You don’t think that does not affect the decisions of corporate America on whether to cooperate with unconstitutional requests like this?

After 9/11, America’s spies went nuts.

From Attkisson:

In 2002, the NSA reportedly engaged in “blanket surveillance” of the Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, Utah, collecting and storing “virtually all electronic communications going into or out of the Salt Lake City area, including … emails and text messages” to “experiment with and fine tune a new scale of mass surveillance.” NSA officials had denied such a program existed.

Hat tip: Don Surber

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37 Responses leave one →
  1. 2017 December 29 9:51 pm
    justrand permalink

    I love the picture w/ caption…it is spot on!

    The FBI and NSA are focused inward on controlling the masses, and protecting the fiefdoms of the ‘Elite’.

    Thank God for the 2nd Amendment.

  2. 2017 December 29 10:51 pm
    JimNorCal permalink

    Guilty as charged! 🙂 🙂
    I get a kick out of “Deplorable Don” Surber. He’s a terrific news writer-short punchy phrasing. Ans he’s a salt of the earth kinda guy.
    As you note, one wants to like W, but as each year passes it gets harder and harder.

  3. 2017 December 30 7:11 am

    For me ,each year that passes it gets softer and softer.

  4. 2017 December 30 7:48 am
    JimNorCal permalink

    3, “that’s what SHE said”

  5. 2017 December 30 8:05 am
    drdog09 permalink

  6. 2017 December 30 8:12 am
    justrand permalink

    The author does a good take down of the lunatic “professor”…but the tragedy is that the lunatics are increasingly RUNNING THE ASYLUM!


  7. 2017 December 30 8:29 am
    drdog09 permalink

    Korean assessment — https://nautilus.org/napsnet/napsnet-special-reports/mind-the-gap-between-rhetoric-and-reality/ — my singular complaint about the piece is the presumption that the NORKs would use mechanized infantry they cannot sustain. The author assumes a resource burn rate using the American model.

  8. 2017 December 30 8:50 am
    drdog09 permalink


    Something that is happening more and more — men are abandoning the universities. A goodly chunk of the universities are now predominately represented by a female student body. Some as high as 70%. And the men? increasingly they are going into Trades. Areas that they have been consistently over represented in. About the only areas where men predominate a university are STEM fields.

    Now the women are increasingly in the following areas — teaching, health care, community services. Observation 1: for the cost these are all low income fields of study, nursing excepted. Observation 2: many of these fields will be automated away. The bottom line is that the women who spent all that time/money will be displaced by AI and telepresence.

    Oh and the men? Haven’t seen a robot yet that can do what a plumber has to do. 🙂

  9. 2017 December 30 9:28 am
    drdog09 permalink


    The Three Rules: 1) Keep your money in your front pocket. 2) Never talk to The Man. 3) Don’t stick it in Crazy. — westernrifleshooters.com

  10. 2017 December 30 9:36 am
    drdog09 permalink

  11. 2017 December 30 10:22 am
    bc3b permalink

    JR #6 –

    As I said yesterday with Max Boot, if these people were sincere, they would resign their cushy jobs so minorities could have them.

  12. 2017 December 30 10:43 am
    justrand permalink

    Drdog, that assessment in#7 is a few years old, but still seems mostly relevant. I agree with you, the NORKs can’t rely on a sustainable mechanized warfare model. But given that even those crazy bastards know that, what might they try instead…or in combination with?

    For years the NORKs have been building train tunnels into South Korea http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/inside-the-north-korean-tunnels-designed-to-move-30000-troops-beneath-its-border-with-south-korea/news-story/3a9e0f533bea64d8167ceeb02076bf3f

    If they get a few big enough ones built, that changes their equation

  13. 2017 December 30 10:55 am
    bc3b permalink

    From the article cited by drdpg09:

    If New York City were all white, the murder rate would drop by 91 percent, the robbery rate by 81 percent, and the shootings rate by 97 percent.

    In an all-white Chicago, murder would decline 90 percent, rape by 81 percent, and robbery by 90 percent.

    In 2015, a black person was 2.45 times more likely than a white person to be shot and killed by the police. A Hispanic person was 1.21 times more likely. These figures are well within what would be expected given race differences in crime rates and likelihood to resist arrest.

    In 2015, police killings of blacks accounted for approximately 4 percent of homicides of blacks. Police killings of unarmed blacks accounted for approximately 0.6 percent of homicides of blacks. The overwhelming majority of black homicide victims (93 percent from 1980 to 2008) were killed by blacks.

    Both violent and non-violent crime has been declining in the United States since a high in 1993. 2015 saw a disturbing rise in murder in major American cities that some observers associated with “depolicing” in response to intense media and public scrutiny of police activity

    No surprises. If the US had no blacks or illegal aliens, it would be as safe as Sweden 50 years ago. Some races are smarter than others. Some are more athletic and some are more violent. But, drdog09, remember that facts are racissst.

  14. 2017 December 30 11:25 am
    JBoz permalink

    BC – 13…”remember that facts are racissst.”

    Actually, not all facts. There are some facts that the left absolutely loves.

    Example of a fact that the left loves:
    * Unarmed non-whites are killed by police.
    (and that’s where the left wants to stop with the facts)

    Examples of facts that the left finds to be racissst:
    * Plenty of unarmed whites are killed by police too.
    * Proportionally, blacks are 7X more likely to commit a violent crime than whites.
    * Blacks are 13% of the total US population, but commit 52% of homicides.
    * Only 7% of black homicide victims were killed by non-whites, while 16% of white homicide victims were killed by non-whites.
    * …and countless other statistics that prove the black victimhood narrative is patently false

  15. 2017 December 30 11:29 am
    JBoz permalink

    Interesting stuff.


    The 3rd graphic down where it shows what crime would look like if the black/white percentages were reversed…very telling.

  16. 2017 December 30 12:06 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    drdog – #6 – for the last few years I have been saying more and more that your best is Trades vs going to College. If I was going through high school today, I would be looking at vocational education. Can not be off shored, can not be replace with robots/automation and make a decent living doing.

  17. 2017 December 30 1:53 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    12, JR,

    Me, I suspect it in large part would be a Chosin Reservoir type of attack. They have a million men arms. Little Rocket Man does not care about body count. If only a quarter of them make Seoul that is enough to burn the place down.

  18. 2017 December 30 2:09 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    1984 was NOT a training manual! –http://thefreethoughtproject.com/dhs-announces-program-to-illegally-scan-our-faces-and-we-will-fund-it/

  19. 2017 December 30 2:45 pm
    gnqanq permalink

    drdog – you do realize that Seoul is within artillery range from North Korea. North Korea could rain down fire on Seoul and do severe damage (and death) before we could stop it. Think Berlin.

  20. 2017 December 30 3:02 pm
    bc3b permalink

    JBoz #14 –

    Facts don’t fit the media narrative. The 72% illegitimacy rate and astronomical black drpout rate are the chief causes if inequality, but the media always alleges racism.

  21. 2017 December 30 3:03 pm
    bc3b permalink

    Boy, the PAC-12 and MAC sure had horrible bowl seasons.

  22. 2017 December 30 3:13 pm
    fight on permalink

    BC I am still sick from wasting time and money to go to the Cotton bowl last night.

  23. 2017 December 30 3:18 pm
    Eph permalink

    21 BC

    ASU even had 2 head coaches and still got blown out.

  24. 2017 December 30 3:22 pm
    bc3b permalink

    fight on –

    The MAC was 1-4. The PAC-12 is 1-7 with Washington losing now. Ohio U and Utah were the only winners.

  25. 2017 December 30 3:31 pm
    fight on permalink

    Very sad, usually pac 12 does okay in the bowls. No this year all the Pac 12 teams look soft, not good. After Darnold’s awful performance I expect him back.

  26. 2017 December 30 3:36 pm
    bc3b permalink

    This yean PAC-12 teams have lost to the Mountain West, Big Ten, Big 12, ACC

  27. 2017 December 30 4:37 pm

    The Hindustan Times reported:

    The Trump administration on Friday announced the United States will deny Pakistan military aid amounting to $255 million as it expects Islamabad to take decisive action “against terrorists and militants on its soil”.

    “The United States does not plan to spend the $255 million in FY 2016 in Foreign Military Financing for Pakistan at this time,” said a spokesperson of the President’s National Security Council in a statement to Hindustan Times.

    Duh.. Good. Note the fy2016 allocation if you’re wondering wtf yeah so was i..

    “The amount, $255 million, is left over from $1.1 billion aid earmarked for Pakistan in 2016, and which included non-military aid as well. It was cleared for handing over in August, just days before it would lapsed as unspent money.”

    Why clear it in August and then yank it now, why not just let it lapse…”oops so sorry fell through cracks”. I’m guessing some sort of budget shenanigans are involved more than any policy\geopolitical changes.

  28. 2017 December 30 4:42 pm

  29. 2017 December 30 5:00 pm
    drdog09 permalink


    If you believe the author’s notes in #6 his claim is that only the extreme northern sector of Seoul is within range. Now that being said, who would want to take the chance? I be Trump I would assume all of it is and figure on the worst.

  30. 2017 December 30 5:08 pm
    drdog09 permalink

    KH, 27,

    The insane answer might be govt budgeting. Ya tell the auditor that the funds are committed to Pak in ’16, not expected to be sent to them till ’17, so they remain on book, earmarked. All the while DoD has other plans for the money. Any rumblings by audit and DoD can call their buddies over at SoS to help out with the lie, for a percentage.

    Used to do a variation of that at corporate when Finance would threaten to yank my budget. Have to figure that govt is just as screwed up as any Fortune 500. 🙂

  31. 2017 December 30 5:18 pm
    drdog09 permalink

  32. 2017 December 30 5:22 pm

    I want one, ASAP.

  33. 2017 December 30 7:07 pm
    JimNorCal permalink

  34. 2017 December 30 7:37 pm
    JimNorCal permalink

    Twitter movie review. Heh

    “I had the misfortune of seeing #TheLastJedi with the kids yesterday. Sort of like SJW version of #StarWars with huge plot holes. Difficult to choose the worst bit, but casting Laura Dern as a 7 foot Marge Simpson / Hillary Clinton ‘Resistance’ leader hybrid was a standout”

  35. 2017 December 30 8:05 pm
    justrand permalink

  36. 2017 December 31 6:46 am
    drdog09 permalink


    Right off the top of my head, the reason they can’t/won’t cover it is because the networks closed most of their foreign bureaus decades ago. When they do, it truly is a flyby event. Oh, and the line ‘… they are in the aromatherapy business.’ was a nice touch.

  37. 2017 December 31 9:18 am

    30 – That’s exactly the sort of gimmick I was thinking, sadly it’ll probably end up going to jihadis (and some communists) in northern Syria instead of jihadi’s in Pakistan.

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