Are Whites and Guns Really the Problem?

2021 July 5
by bc3b

I recently read an article stating that if you eliminated blacks and Hispanics, the US would have a lower murder rate than most European countries. Conditioned by a dishonest media, I was somewhat skeptical.  So, I did some research.

I took 330-million as the US population. The number isn’t really important, the percentage breakdown is. I found a current racial breakdown, which indicates 60.1% non-Hispanic white, 12.2% black and 18.2 Hispanic Latino. I then used FBI Table 6, which, unlike Table 43, breaks out non-Hispanic whites and Hispanic whites and determines the number of white, black and Hispanic murders per 100,000 population.

Here’s what I found:

  • Whites: .85
  • Blacks: 5.72
  • Hispanics: 1.62

So, blacks commit 6.74 times more murders per 100,000 than whites and 3.53 times the murders that Hispanics commit.

How does .85 per 100,000 compare to other countries of the world, most of which have stricter gun laws than the US?

  • Canada: 1.76
  • United Kingdom: 1.20
  • France: 1.20
  • Germany: .95
  • Sweden: 1.08
  • Australia: .89
  • Japan: .26
  • South Korea: .60
  • India: 3.08
  • South Africa: 36.40
  • Mexico: 29.07
  • Honduras: 38.93
  • Jamaica: 43.85
  • Global average: 7.60

So having the right to own firearms doesn’t seem to be a problem for white Americans or even Hispanics. But, these are facts rather than sociological theories and we all know that facts, like math, the Classics and punctuality, are racist.

Every weekend there’s a bloodbath in cities like Chicago.

But there are virtually no shootings in predominately white suburbs like Downers Grove, Batavia or Westmont or mixed race suburbs like Lansing and Chicago Heights.

Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot has blamed Chicago violence on guns (which she claims come from Indiana and Wisconsin) and white supremacy, but never mentions black gangs.

If blacks are  to achieve equality, we must stop creating boogey men, like white supremacy, and false narratives produced by hucksters , like Critical Race Theory and Project 1619, and start working on the real cause – ghetto culture: a 77% illegitimacy rate, lack of education/training and a soaring crime rates. But, you can’t solve root causes if you refuse to admit they exist.

Hat Tips: FBI Table 6, visualcapitalist.com – us population by race, list of countries by UNODC homicide rate (via Wikipedia) and Excel

 

72 Responses leave one →
  1. 2021 July 5 6:17 pm
    [1]
    bc3b permalink

    Unfortunately, in today’s politically correct world, it’s racist to discuss root causes as that would be racist.

    What isn’t racist today?

    https://savejersey.com/2019/07/everything-is-racist-list-things-objects-people-political-correctness/

  2. 2021 July 5 6:17 pm
    [2]
    drdog09 permalink

    Watch it BC, using Excel might be considered a racist tool, or at minimum a tool of the patriarchy.

  3. 2021 July 5 6:20 pm
    [3]
    bc3b permalink

    Chicago Weekend Shootings (not final/will update):

    90 shot/15 fatally

  4. 2021 July 5 6:58 pm
    [4]
    JimNorCal permalink

    Thomas Sowell’s self penned memoir (not the recent biography) makes the point that earlier Black communities were in much better condition.
    Families and churches were strong. Employment was catching up to White levels, also the quality of the job mix were improving. Menial dead end jobs were falling, skills were rising.
    I don’t have the book in front of me but I think he was talking about the 20s and 30s time frame.
    Things changed.

  5. 2021 July 5 8:13 pm
    [5]
    bc3b permalink

    JimNorCal #4 –

    It ien’t difficult to make a case that blacks wre in a better position to succeed in the late 1950s, early 1960s (before LBJ’s War on Poverty caused the Ghetto Culture to grow at a much faster pace).

  6. 2021 July 5 11:40 pm
    [7]
    PresidentRonaldPaul permalink

  7. 2021 July 6 4:23 am
    [8]

    If the data doesn’t remotely support the narrative, the data must be rayray! Even mentioning such is heresy and makes you rayray. 😉

    3 – Nobody cares, least of all the frauds in charge or the blm types, or the citizenry who enable it all.

    5 – Very strong arguments could be made for that, but nobody wants to listen to it, and the few who have tried over the years have been ignored or targeted – one recently in the news.

    1 & 6 – The word has no meaning what so ever anymore now that everything is rayray.

    VDH – https://amgreatness.com/2021/07/04/the-genesis-of-our-american-collective-meltdown/

    David the mindloss started decades before 15mo ago.

    “Our adversaries can’t quite believe their good fortune.”
    …WRONG, yes, they can believe it.

    Contrary to his last sentence or two, a significant amount of this has been multi-decades long effort in the making, from mostly domestic forces, along with forces without borders so to speak, and only minimally (relatively speaking) the adversaries he mentions. None of those adversaries are surprised, at all, that there efforts have been working. Perhaps a few are surprised only at the speed of success in recent years as dominoes fall without some expected resistance, causing plans to be accelerated, and maybe some surprised at how they were able to get their opponent to fund their own demise repeatedly.

  8. 2021 July 6 5:05 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    8,

    Probably all true. I do note that if you look thru history its dotted with empires falling, yet the countries remain. Fact history itself is just a recording of a long string of fallen empires. The Roman Empire fell, but Rome still exists as well as Italy.

    It surprises me that the US ended up as it did. The underpinnings of the country were not even designed for empire, fact just the opposite. Our biggest failing is falling for the idea of shipping our jobs and manufacturing base overseas all for the pleasure of cheap plastic baubles. For that I blame Sam Walton more than anyone.

  9. 2021 July 6 5:10 am
    [11]
    drdog09 permalink

    9,

    One drone or two?

    Might be a waste of drones tho. You look at the ratings of CNN and MSNBC and they are nothing. There are YouTube commentators with larger audiences. Once Trump was forced out, playing the underdog routine falls apart. Report real news? Pffft. That is all bad for their guy so nothing to report, cept maybe baseball scores.

  10. 2021 July 6 5:14 am
    [12]
    drdog09 permalink

    One more time with feeling — https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2781743?appId=scweb — Children wearing masks is counter indicated.

  11. 2021 July 6 5:48 am
    [13]
    drdog09 permalink

    Gosh he looks like a hippie — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GBcOCutzhc — of course, its Russell Brand. But he makes an interesting point.

  12. 2021 July 6 6:05 am
    [14]
    justrand permalink

    drdog: “The Roman Empire fell, but Rome still exists as well as Italy.

    wellll…after the Visigoths, Vandals, Ostrogoths got done with Rome it looked like Portland after a “mostly peaceful protest” by AnitFa & BLM. But yes, Rome is still there 🙂

  13. 2021 July 6 6:08 am
    [15]

    10 – Yup, though that might be a close send to edu system take over.
    11 – At least two MOAB’s ;), or more sarcastically just nuke it from orbit, only way to be sure. 😉

  14. 2021 July 6 6:12 am
    [16]

    13 – They only ignore and down play them when they’re not supportive of the narrative, or can’t spin them such that they’re seen as helping the narrative or to highlight a manufactured issue\story. They certainly hype them up when they’re in support of a desired narrative.

    What he highlights of the protest legislation is hilarious\obvious on it’s face (in noise\disruption etc is the whole point of the protest in the first place), but good for him pointing the obvious.

  15. 2021 July 6 6:26 am
    [17]

    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/military-members-say-theyll-quit-if-army-mandates-covid-19-vaccine-congressman

    Probably exactly what they want, get the few remaining with independent thought to self select themselves for separation.

  16. 2021 July 6 6:50 am
    [18]
    bc3b permalink

    Updated Chicago Independence Day Weekend count: 98 shot, 17 fatally.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/chicago-violence-98-shot-17-fatally-in-weekend-shootings-across-city/ar-AALPquO

    I am willing to bet that if the Chicago cops look real hard, they can find at least 2-3 additional bodies.

    Thank you Chicago for further proving this thread.

  17. 2021 July 6 7:29 am
    [19]

    18 – More officially dead than in Surfside collape(which is a cruel joke in itself as we know everyone not found by now is dead), on a near weekly basis, but only a faction of the attention.

  18. 2021 July 6 7:53 am
    [20]

    https://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/blog/the-nazis-were-stone-age-totalitarians-compared-to-today-s-left/

    Duh.. not to mention where they back then drew their techniques from (American advertisers), rarely ever mentioned of course.
    —-

    Speaking of propagandists here’s clear attempt from Jerusalem Post:
    https://100percentfedup.com/andy-ngo-busts-dishonest-media-asks-why-media-used-photos-of-white-men-wearing-confederate-badges-in-ma-stand-off-when-militiamen-were-black-racial-separatists/

  19. 2021 July 6 7:55 am
    [21]
    bc3b permalink

    KH #20 –

    Never buy anything from P&G, Kellogg’s and a couple hundred other companies.

  20. 2021 July 6 8:12 am
    [22]
    drdog09 permalink

    14,

    Touche’

  21. 2021 July 6 8:16 am
    [23]
    drdog09 permalink

    17,

    Which is interesting as SCOTUS has ruled back in the 70’s that only a POTUS signature can dictate military medical overrides. Have not heard Biden slobber out a directive on the matter.

  22. 2021 July 6 8:17 am
    [24]
    drdog09 permalink

    21,

    Better still, if you can make it yourself, do so.

  23. 2021 July 6 9:00 am
    [26]
    JimNorCal permalink

    All you need to know about Justice in America right now ….

    Despite the extremely violent nature of the attack in which Rahman reportedly tossed a Molotov cocktail into the console of a police cruiser before hopping into a getaway car driven by Mattis, and the fact that the pair of left-wing attorneys were found to be producing and distributing Molotov cocktails to Black Lives Matter and Antifa-aligned radicals, federal prosecutors have been working hard to hammer out a plea deal for the pair of violent offenders.

    According to the New York Post, both parties remain locked in negotiations with federal prosecutors and a federal judge has granted the pair a number of opportunities to work something out with the prosecution before having to face trial like a mere ordinary citizen. Both Mattis and Rahman remain out of jail, standing in stark contrast to the treatment received by January 6th Capitol Hill demonstrators who have reported facing Gulag-style conditions and severe physical abuse while awaiting trial in a Washington, D.C. jail on nonviolent charges.

    While the pair of violent, far left-wing attorneys are still permitted to practice law in New York, Trump attorney and former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani is not, having seen his law license suspended without any form of due process by the New York State Bar Association for daring to question the Democrat-media complex narrative surrounding the 2020 Presidential Election.

    https://nationalfile.com/judges-say-far-left-attorneys-who-firebombed-cops-for-blm-can-still-practice-law-in-new-york-rudy-giuliani-cannot/

  24. 2021 July 6 10:16 am
    [27]
    drdog09 permalink

    If NY threaten to leave the Union — “Please let me help you pack.”

  25. 2021 July 6 10:31 am
    [28]
    JimNorCal permalink

    And poor mpt’s son is back to CA without physically moving …
    Texas Governor Signs Executive Order Donating City Of Austin To California
    (Babylon Bee)

  26. 2021 July 6 10:36 am
    [29]
    drdog09 permalink

    28,

    I assume that includes the appropriate blackouts?

  27. 2021 July 6 10:38 am
    [30]
    drdog09 permalink

    After all the BS — https://www.zerohedge.com/political/1619-project-creator-nikole-hannah-jones-rejects-unc-tenure-offer — UNC prof turns down tenure. Fine by me. It amazes me there is even a tenure track for Jurno types.

  28. 2021 July 6 11:33 am
    [31]
    bc3b permalink

    drdog09 –

    28,

    I assume that includes the appropriate blackouts?

    drdog09 –

    Tha’s racissst talk!

  29. 2021 July 6 11:40 am
    [32]
    drdog09 permalink

    A gift for any of your remaining liberal friends — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6czrFDiJ5rM — If anyone wants a pair I can print them out. Mini TP not included.

  30. 2021 July 6 11:59 am
    [33]
    bc3b permalink

  31. 2021 July 6 12:05 pm
    [34]
    bc3b permalink

    Just like in the American League, Oakland is trying to compete with Chicago:

    https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2021/07/06/oakland-july-4-sideshow-violence/

  32. 2021 July 6 12:14 pm
    [35]
    PresidentRonaldPaul permalink

  33. 2021 July 6 12:25 pm
    [36]
    fight on permalink

  34. 2021 July 6 12:28 pm
    [37]
    PresidentRonaldPaul permalink

    The Terrifying Truth Behind CCP’s 100 Year Anniversary

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40htfpqVgMA

  35. 2021 July 6 1:00 pm
    [38]
    bc3b permalink

    I predicted if the Chicago cops kept looking, they could break 100 shootings:

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2021/7/3/22561910/chicago-weekend-shootings-july-2-5-homicide-gun-violence

  36. 2021 July 6 1:18 pm
    [39]
    bc3b permalink

    PRP #37 –

    Yet, US college students claim the US is a worse country than China.

  37. 2021 July 6 2:20 pm
    [40]
    drdog09 permalink

    36,

    Hmmm. Something does not jell. Were they not recording who got the The Jab? If they were then why go door to door? Call the UnVaxxed on their cell. More efficient. If they were not recording who got the The Jab they have bigger problems than going door to door.

  38. 2021 July 6 2:37 pm
    [41]
    drdog09 permalink

    37,

    Another analysis of the CCP –https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2rWIgrFsSw — Long at 90min.

    China’s biggest problem is demographic. They only have 10 yrs till there are more elderly than producers and the young are not cranking out kids. Oh and China has no social security system.

  39. 2021 July 6 3:01 pm
    [42]

    23 – Biden has so ordered.
    36 – Good luck with that, people already took issue with census workers, but it’s a great way to funnel a couple hundred million into contracted lefty orgs, not to mention government\census data to them. Think about it, the overlap between “door to door” campaigning and that, and even if org kept the two entirely separate (lol as if!) its a funding and recruiting in the lead up to the mid-terms.

    41 – Yeah but in China… “just let them die” IS an option, it certainly has been in the past, so long that’s the same in the near term it doesn’t strike me as a “problem” the ruling class will have to care about… I’ll have to watch it all I guess.

  40. 2021 July 6 3:11 pm
    [43]
    JimNorCal permalink

    36, 40 I’m assuming this is about providing jobs to unemployable Dems until convinced otherwise.
    They won’t actually be going door to door.

  41. 2021 July 6 3:51 pm
    [44]
    drdog09 permalink

    “41 – Yeah but in China… “just let them die” IS an option ….” Good thing you don’t own a bar. I would not want to be around when you uttered ‘last call’! 🙂

    But you are of course correct.

    As to the census. The 2010 census we had a physical visit. Woman looked like stacy abrams and just as abrasive. I told her flat out, I already filled it out; you cross this threshold and I call the cops. She kept insisting I had to let her in. 30secs of that and I just closed the door in her face.

  42. 2021 July 6 3:52 pm
    [45]
    drdog09 permalink

    43,

    Interesting conundrum, so long as they continue to get stimmy checks, probably not many will want to walk around sweating in August heat.

  43. 2021 July 6 5:28 pm
    [46]
    drdog09 permalink

    Well you can write off San Fran — https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/40-percent-san-francisco-residents-leave-quality-of-life — That level of exodus will trigger massive tax hikes just like what happened in Chitown.

    Oh and SF ADA says fears of crime are racist — https://www.foxnews.com/politics/san-francisco-crime-surge-racism

  44. 2021 July 6 5:55 pm
    [47]
    PresidentRonaldPaul permalink

    Didi’s Downfall and the Case for Web 3.0
    “Chinese autocracy cut off the ride-hailing giant at the knees. But tech centralization leaves tech companies worldwide just as vulnerable.”

    https://www.coindesk.com/didis-downfall-and-the-case-for-web-3-0

    “It’s hard to remember a more dramatic case of market whiplash. Chinese ride-hailing company Didi Chuxing completed its U.S. initial public offering on Wednesday, raising $4.4 billion from global investors at a market cap over $67 billion. Just two days later, on Friday, Chinese regulators announced a probe into the firm’s cybersecurity and ordered Didi’s app removed from local app stores. The app store ban could last 45 days and will prevent the company from acquiring new customers, with a potentially devastating impact given the intensely competitive Chinese ride-hailing market.

    Today, the first full day of U.S. trading since the moves were publicized in the U.S., Didi stock fell as much as 25% on the New York Stock Exchange, dipping below its IPO price and cutting its market cap by as much as $22 billion. The surprise haircut could have serious long-term implications for Chinese equity markets because they highlight local political risk. But that political risk might not matter if not for a technical vulnerability shared by tech companies around the world: Their massive dependence on extremely centralized app stores means their lifeblood can be cut off without warning.”

  45. 2021 July 6 5:57 pm
    [48]
    PresidentRonaldPaul permalink

    I’m assuming you all heard about the rug-pull IPO DIDI today.

    They let it go on US exchanges and then banned it once all the US investors bought it.

  46. 2021 July 6 6:22 pm
    [49]
    PresidentRonaldPaul permalink

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjvrKQTkTps

    15 Crazy Rules Elon Musk Forces His Girlfriends To Follow

  47. 2021 July 6 7:48 pm
    [51]
    JimNorCal permalink

    Huh. This is odd. Or not.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/07/06/nancy-pelosi-directs-capitol-hill-security-police-units-to-regional-offices-in-california-and-florida-future-locations-coming/
    Nancy Pelosi Directs Capitol Hill Security Police Units to Regional Offices in California and Florida, Future Locations Coming
    When we consider the FBI has field offices all over the country, you might ask: why does the Capitol Hill police need to expand beyond Washington DC? … Essentially, what Nancy Pelosi is doing is expanding the federal law enforcement mechanism of the legislative branch into specific areas where they can investigate political opposition armed with legal authority.

  48. 2021 July 6 7:55 pm
    [52]
    JimNorCal permalink

    47, wouldn’t be surprised if China had fun screwing over everyday American investors. Like a few years ago they canceled a port visit by a US Navy ship last minute after crew families had bought plane tickets to come visit.
    Still Didi is not state owned.
    I learned last week that Chinese state owned companies can be listed in the US markets with far fewer rules applied than to US private companies.

  49. 2021 July 6 8:28 pm
    [53]
    JimNorCal permalink

    h/t JOM2 blog:

    Sean Davis @seanmdav
    This is a complete lie from a corrupt liar.
    Gun manufacturers are absolutely civilly liable for product defects. What they’re not liable for are *criminal misuses* of their products, just like tire makers and gas stations are not liable for hit-and-runs.

    Quote Tweet
    Andrew Cuomo @NYGovCuomo
    The gun industry is the only industry in America with immunity from civil lawsuits.
    It’s an insult to victims of gun violence.
    Today I’m signing legislation to reinstate public nuisance liability for gun manufacturers in NYS.
    I thank sponsors @SenatorMyrie & @PatriciaFahy109

  50. 2021 July 6 8:38 pm
    [54]
    PresidentRonaldPaul permalink

    I mean I think they wanted to do both.

    They wanted to punish DIDI for going on an American exchange in order to scare futures companies from ever listing on a US exchange, but they made sure to wait until after the IPO so that they also got to rug-pull a bunch of American investors.

  51. 2021 July 6 9:04 pm
    [55]
    PresidentRonaldPaul permalink

  52. 2021 July 6 11:27 pm
    [56]
    PresidentRonaldPaul permalink

    I recommended you all read “the price of tomorrow” by Jeff Booth

    He was interviewed in the George Gammon show today
    https://youtu.be/cgatlkw02kc

    So good. If you’re struggling to understand current events he lays it all out in simple terms.

    Must watch

  53. 2021 July 6 11:46 pm
    [57]

    51 – Oh it’s more than “odd”.

    48 – “The surprise haircut could have serious long-term implications for Chinese equity markets because they highlight local political risk.” — Shit they should have factored into the decision before buying in from jumpstreet.

  54. 2021 July 7 2:06 am
    [59]
    JimNorCal permalink

    KH, I’m afraid to look.
    Hopefully Cosby doesn’t have info leading to Hillary’s arrest …

  55. 2021 July 7 2:28 am
    [60]

    59 – He just basically said that the msm are way more insurrectionists and damaging than anyone “storming” the capital. Which of course is correct, and I suspect he’ll be re-targeted for saying such if it continues.

    What’s more fucked up is former co-start Phylicia Rashad part of that post, and her complete backtracking of her initial tweet noting that miscarriage of justice was corrected by SCoPA. She was right it was a miscarriage, but then of course everyone pilled on her to try to get her fired as the new dean of Howard. Fucking twitterverse never stops to think for a second about the actual specifics and how if they would like the same shit they did to Cosby (I’m talking prosecutors\trial judge) to be done to themselves if it were allowed to stand.

    Anyway he does have nack for saying things that seem to piss off mostly the right people. LOL

  56. 2021 July 7 4:11 am
    [61]

    Taxes for thee but not for me of course…

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/eu-proposes-exempt-private-jets-cargo-jet-fuel-tax#comment-stream

    How about just dump the tax entirely?

  57. 2021 July 7 4:46 am
    [62]
    drdog09 permalink

    58,59,60,

    Guys you missed it.

    * Rashad is an incoming dean to Howard University. Ok.
    * Guess who is an incoming chair at Howard University? Yep that twerp Jones who turned down tenure at UNC after making a stink about it.

    The academic cat fight of the century is shall we say, incoming.

  58. 2021 July 7 5:00 am
    [63]
    JimNorCal permalink

    62, yeah but Rashad already surrendered.
    Poor thing, I’d sure rather be a white Deplorable than a black Deplorable

  59. 2021 July 7 5:31 am
    [64]
    drdog09 permalink

    56,

    Have read the book. A lot of what is in it is quite true. Heck half my IT career was extracting a 6% price reduction in IT asset prices every 3 years. But there is a piece he does not address:

    Economies in many ways are microcosms of physical ecology. What happens to a species that gets very specialized, then the underlying ecosystem shifts? Yes, extinction. Booth links efficiency via specialization without considering that such specialization increases fragility in that aspect of the economy. Talib recognizes that fact.

    In the video Booth provides music as a marker of technology making things cheaper. He is right, I don’t have to spend $12.99 for a CD with only one song I like. I can buy/subscribe for $3.99/mo to an entire song bank. But Booth does not address a key aspect — how many platinum records are minted today say compared to 1970? Fact very few. Fact there are fewer new bands today than in 1970. The shift to quicker, cheaper via technology has destroyed the music industry. Technology also forces concentration of value chains into fewer and fewer hands.

    I would rather have 6 inefficient providers to provide choice than one hyper efficient provider (eg amazon) and no choice.

  60. 2021 July 7 5:46 am
    [65]
    drdog09 permalink

    Heh…..

    The vaccine enforcer half way thru first shift.

  61. 2021 July 7 6:00 am
    [66]
    justrand permalink

    don’t know if someone already posted this…even for S.F. it is a wow

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/07/the-unlivable-city.php

  62. 2021 July 7 6:00 am
    [67]
    drdog09 permalink

  63. 2021 July 7 7:12 am
    [68]
    bc3b permalink

    Weekends are lasting longer in Chicago. Three law enforcement officers shot this morning:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhoPolFPaug

    More bad white supremacists?

  64. 2021 July 7 7:26 am
    [69]
    bc3b permalink

    drdog09 #67 –

    What isn’t racist these days?

  65. 2021 July 7 8:19 am
    [70]
    JimNorCal permalink

    via Gab, a new crime fighting technique

  66. 2021 July 7 8:26 am
    [71]
    JimNorCal permalink

    Kyle Cheney @kyledcheney
    JUST IN: Appeals Court affirms the detention of Timothy Hale-Cusanelli (the Jan. 6 rioter who sported a Hitler mustache to work at a naval weapons facility).

    The unanimous panel also emphasizes that 1/6 rioters don’t have to be charged with violence to be detained:
    Commenter: “Geez, Neomi Rao was on that appeals panel.”
    Rao was on Trump’s short list for Supreme Court
    https://mobile.twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1412779050129625093

  67. 2021 July 7 3:08 pm
    [72]

    62 – You’re right I did miss that. lol
    64 – nods
    70 – Funny…
    71 – Not so funny.

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