Commentarii de Bello Civili Mare

2021 September 26
by drdog09

Specifically, how does one stop a civl war in this country.

There are various discussions on what would be avenues of history –

  • We have a CW II.
  • We have an amicable divorce
  • We muddle along till its a full dictatorship.

Of the three the first two are not really a solution for they will devolve into civil war by some means. The latter of course is not a desirable outcome at all. So is their another avenue. I suggest there is.

Specifically dismantle the administrative state and apply the Federalist system that originally built this country prior to CW I. First a diagnosis. As our example one need look no further than the current Covid crisis.

Problem one is the actual solution to the crisis. Not that its a Jab or that there are 3 of them. Its that from the admiinistrative state’s point of view it is the sole and correct solution. The problem is that is not the case for various reasons:

  • Some people already had immunity from the outset.
  • Due to biochemistry some individuals should not take the Jab at all. Though will have to seek fortune in the kindness of Lord Almighty if they do contract Covid.
  • Total lack of consideration of the public health aspects vis a vis comorbidities. Most common being a fat slob or if you wish BMI > 30.
  • Regulation captured by Pharma as a general course of events.
  • The lockdowns served a political purpose not a public health one.

The last 18 months have been a microcosim of the entire malise the US is currently in, that the only ‘right’ solution must come from Washington DC. There are other examples one could cite; the Afgan exit, our Middle East policy of the last 40 years, lack of a budget, crushing debt, etc. But the one cited is sufficient.

But first a perception must be addressed. That is – If DC does not do it, who will? Otherwise we get chaos. I will point you at two items. 1) Art I, Sec 8 provides for the uniform regulation between the States 2) That for practical purposes said regulation is handled by the States thru the Uniform Commercial Code. Anyone holding a bill of lading in their hands has transacted a UCC document and its associated wares. No federal law was involved in said transaction. Trillions of dollars of assets are handled in this manner and none other in the US. That the Feds must always be involved is an administrative state fiction. So if our entire economy is a State draft enviornment why not other areas?

The irony is we already have the tools needed to eliminate the administrative state. But it requires essentially an army of Ron Pauls to execute it. Quite a reach but it is possible. But I would suggest a trigger event will have to occur that changes a shift in that direction. The most likely of which is either default on the debt or hyper devalustion of the dollar. When everyone is uncomfortable is when change will occur. We already see discomfort in place; France, Australia and California.

The other avenue is convention of the states, Art V. Something good might come out of it. The issue is WHO because that determines WHAT. I don’t suspect we will see a legion of Franklins in that gaggle of players, but I could be wrong. Not only that but I will point out that the member States had that option just before CW I and it was never implemented to solve the slavery issue.

Regardless the American People are already ahead of the leadership. People are leaving States like California,Illinois and New York for more freedom elsewhere. For in vulgares the serperation is already in play.

I close with this observation –

76 Responses leave one →
  1. 2021 September 26 7:49 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    The question before us is the following —

    How do you tear down a bridge constructively that so many have a vested interest in keeping upright?

  2. 2021 September 26 8:00 am
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    drdog09 permalink

  3. 2021 September 26 8:13 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    “Governments, if they endure, always tend increasingly toward aristocratic forms. No government in history has been known to evade this pattern. And as the aristocracy develops, government tends more and more to act exclusively in the interests of the ruling class – whether that class be hereditary royalty, oligarchs of financial empires, or entrenched bureaucracy.

    Frank Herbet, Children of Dune

  4. 2021 September 26 8:20 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    A Mr. Ed approved prophylactic for Covid — https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/never-say-neigh-fda-lists-horse-drug-approved-covid-treatment — PRP I hope you understand the irony….

    giddy up!

  5. 2021 September 26 9:49 am
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    JimNorCal permalink

    If you get a chance, check this out. I don’t know if this gets any coverage in the MSM but the large Indian province of Uttar Pradesh has virtually eliminated Covid (Delta) through the aggressive use of IVM.
    https://odysee.com/@FrontlineCovid19CriticalCareAlliance:c/FLCCC-Weekly_Update-092221_MATH+:0
    Forward to around 23:00

  6. 2021 September 26 9:50 am
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    JimNorCal permalink

    re: the actual topic, anyone who lives in a state where illegals are being dumped would applaud if their state’s NG would be sent to TX to help stem the flow.

  7. 2021 September 26 10:13 am
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    JimNorCal permalink

    Love that guy’s accent 🙂
    I think he’s an “Och Aye!” Scot but maybe he’s a “Begorrah” Irishman

  8. 2021 September 26 10:15 am
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    mpt permalink

    I’m laughing about a Civil War brewing within the NBA. With the woke civic arenas where games take place starting to mandate live attendance at games be limited to those who have taken the vaccine and many of the NBA players themselves refusing to get the vaccine. Will players get the blaxpass while attendees are required to get the vaxpass? You know that’s how it will turn out, but the screeching in the meantime ought to be popcorn-worthy.

  9. 2021 September 26 10:27 am
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    mpt permalink

    BTW, here is a link the NBA story from an “unbiased” source:

    https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/nba-anti-vaxxers-covid-1231988/

    The annual summer meeting of the powerful NBA union had gone virtual again on August 7, and high on the agenda for the season ahead was a proposed mandate from the league office that 100 percent of players get vaccinated against Covid-19.

    One response echoed from squares across the screen, according to players and an executive on the call: “Non-starter. Non-starter.”

    The NBA had relied on science above all to lead the sports world through the Covid nightmare, from the league’s outbreak-driven shutdown to a pandemic-proof playoff bubble in Disney World to game after game with fans back in the stands. But after two plagued seasons of non-stop nasal swabbing, quarantining and distrust, unvaccinated players were pushing back. They made their case to the union summit: There should be testing this year, of course, just not during off-days. They’d mask up on the court and on the road, if they must. But no way would they agree to a mandatory jab.

    As I said above, this ought to be good.

  10. 2021 September 26 10:33 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    I have always wondered, especially the NBA why the likes of NBA and NFL need owners anymore. In the early days owners were the financier that made a stadium and team possible. Now? Not so much. The stadiums are largely built via bonds cities float and players make so much money they could literally finance their own leagues these days.

  11. 2021 September 26 10:37 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    For those with the interest. Neil Oliver is archaeologist by training and best known for several historical presentations. Scottish by birth — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Oliver

  12. 2021 September 26 11:36 am
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    gnqanq permalink

    mpt – Interesting. Blacks are more likely NOT to get the vax. And that is a sizeable crowd that attends NBA games.

  13. 2021 September 26 12:10 pm
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    JimNorCal permalink

    Since we’re on the topic of sports …

  14. 2021 September 26 12:26 pm
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    JimNorCal permalink

    Peter Daszak is the key guy claiming China is NOT responsible for the WuFlu.

    https://drasticresearch.files.wordpress.com/2021/09/main-document-preempt-volume-1-no-ess-hr00118s0017-ecohealth-alliance.pdf

    Defusing the threat of bat borne corona viruses 2018 proposal.
    Mentioned here.
    https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/omg-omg-omg/

  15. 2021 September 26 1:08 pm
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    4 – The irony.. we’ll approve this “horse” one for server cases, but not the more mild and even safer ivermectin one to help prevent cases from happening in the first place, or ending milder cases earlier. :forehead/faceplam:

  16. 2021 September 26 1:15 pm
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    “Why does Ivermectin, a ‘horse dewormer’ work? For starters, it’s a protease inhibitor. Interestingly, Pfizer’s 2x/day Covid-19 prophylactic they’re trialing right now is also a protease inhibitor.”

    Let me guess …Pfizers version will work just as well, or maybe 10% better but cost double or triple or quadrupedal and be approved nearly immediately vs the well known and dirt cheap (at least till recent state side run-up) alternative that could have been in use a year ago and certainly should have been by this summer.

  17. 2021 September 26 1:29 pm
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    mpt permalink

    KnightHawk, it’s fairly obvious TPTB can’t afford to have Covid turn into something manageable and tame for 99% of the population. Otherwise they may lose the justification for mail-in ballots in ’22, ’24 and beyond (if they can stretch it that far).

    If one looks below the surface of what’s happening, it’s clear that the forced closure of our society has severely broken things. Scores of ships lined outside of harbors unable to unload their cargo, labor shortages threatening the businesses that have somehow managed to survive thus far, supply chains completely broken putting pressure on manufacturing, shortages starting to be apparent in the aisles of supermarkets and big-box retailers, and on and on. Our economy is running like a clothes washer running severely out of balance — threatening to vibrate itself to pieces. All the media can do is hope to distract people from noticing by screaming it’s all the fault of the unvaxxed. Perhaps things will get better, but I doubt it.

  18. 2021 September 26 1:45 pm
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    17 – Yup, that and the control\power and $$$ coming along with it all. It’s all fucking insane, I’m equally doubtful.

  19. 2021 September 26 1:50 pm
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    JimNorCal permalink

    17, I recall political analysis that noted Russian leaders often got extremely angry at the US.
    Living in an unforgiving Darwinian world, they couldn’t believe our leaders could be that stupid. So they felt insulted and angry instead.
    The long list you have … which could be extended… is it simple incompetence?
    Or are we going somewhere?

  20. 2021 September 26 5:14 pm
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    bc3b permalink

  21. 2021 September 26 5:26 pm
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    PresidentRonaldPaul permalink

    Breitbart wants MAGA to get vaxxed to own the libs!

    https://youtu.be/bTX2Qwuglos

  22. 2021 September 26 6:33 pm
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    PresidentRonaldPaul permalink

    This guy has some interesting theories on why some get pericarditis from the vaccines https://youtu.be/nBaIRm4610o

  23. 2021 September 26 7:24 pm
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    PresidentRonaldPaul permalink

    Biden chases the dog around the white house so they have to keep that helmet on him.

  24. 2021 September 26 7:45 pm
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    JimNorCal permalink

    20, bc, thanks.
    A normal week ….

    Chicago shootings: 48 shot, 6 fatally, in weekend gun violence

  25. 2021 September 26 9:36 pm
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    justrand permalink

    Brilliant post, drdog! I’ve been gone all day and just saw it.

    Sadly, I feel we will never have an “amicable divorce”. I think Dictatorship or CW2 are the only options…and it is 50/50

  26. 2021 September 27 3:32 am
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    PresidentRonaldPaul permalink

  27. 2021 September 27 3:45 am
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    JimNorCal permalink

    Useful summary of COVID facts and policy outcomes.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/30-facts-you-need-know-covid-cribsheet

  28. 2021 September 27 4:10 am
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    JimNorCal permalink

    An honorary “bc girl” with new fashion trend “F Joe B”

  29. 2021 September 27 4:23 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    26,

    Entirely possible. My only observation is that TPTB will need a much smarter crop of cronies than what is currently reaping the whirlwind.

    Someone mentioned that the Russians can’t believe any adversary can be ‘That Stupid’. Quite frankly that is probably a accurate depiction. Russia is like many of the empires old and new, you can march an army in any direction and reach your target, except Oceania. We have only been successfully invaded once as a consequence. We have derived an entirely different world view from what the rest of the planet has experienced.

  30. 2021 September 27 4:28 am
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    PresidentRonaldPaul permalink

    One of the covid nurses I know that actually worked on the covid floor (and she was a bit overweight) opted against the vaccine.

    She died last week. very dumb and easily preventable

    Luckily, many of the remaining anti-vaxxer nurses are now getting vaccinated.

  31. 2021 September 27 4:31 am
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    PresidentRonaldPaul permalink

    I’m hoping the airlines eventually have optional vaccination & masks only flights so that they are safe.

    Then the anti-vaxxers can ride the covid plane without masks if they so choose.

    I have a feeling the demand to ride on the covid planes will be extremely low, but who knows maybe not.

  32. 2021 September 27 4:51 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    “The clinical course of COVID-19 is such that by the time most people seek medical attention for hypoxia, their viral load has already tapered off to almost nothing. If someone is about 10 days post-exposure and has already been symptomatic for five days, there is hardly any virus left in their bodies, only cellular damage and derangement that has initiated a hyperinflammatory response. It is from this group that the clinical trials for antivirals have recruited, pretty much exclusively.

    In these trials, they give antivirals to severely ill patients who have no virus in their bodies, only a delayed hyperinflammatory response, and then absurdly claim that antivirals have no utility in treating or preventing COVID-19. These clinical trials do not recruit people who are pre-symptomatic. They do not test pre-exposure or post-exposure prophylaxis.

    This is like using a defibrillator to shock only flatline, and then absurdly claiming that defibrillators have no medical utility whatsoever when the patients refuse to rise from the dead. The intervention is too late. These trials for antivirals show systematic, egregious selection bias. They are providing a treatment that is futile to the specific cohort they are enrolling.

    India went against the instructions of the WHO and mandated the prophylactic usage of Ivermectin. They have almost completely eradicated COVID-19. The Indian Bar Association of Mumbai has brought criminal charges against WHO Chief Scientist Dr. Soumya Swaminathan for recommending against the use of Ivermectin.

    Ivermectin is not “horse dewormer”. Yes, it is sold in veterinary paste form as a dewormer for animals. It has also been available in pill form for humans for decades, as an antiparasitic drug.

    The media have disingenuously claimed that because Ivermectin is an antiparasitic drug, it has no utility as an antivirus. This is incorrect. Ivermectin has utility as an antiviral. It blocks importin, preventing nuclear import, effectively inhibiting viral access to cell nuclei. Many drugs currently on the market have multiple modes of action. Ivermectin is one such drug. It is both antiparasitic and antiviral.

    In Bangladesh, Ivermectin costs $1.80 for an entire 5-day course. Remdesivir, which is toxic to the liver,costs $3,120 for a 5-day course of the drug. Billions of dollars of utterly useless Remdesivir were sold to our governments on the taxpayer’s dime, and it ended up being totally useless for treating hyperinflammatory COVID-19. The media has hardly even covered this at all.”

    A very looooong read at 41 pages. But it is very informative
    https://www.docdroid.net/kZZXcGS/covid-19-the-spartacus-letter-pdf#page=5

  33. 2021 September 27 6:14 am
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    justrand permalink

    interesting to read the drdog versus PRP debate.

    drdog: Facts, links, analysis

    PRP: ” anti-vaxxers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Game…Set…Match: drdog

  34. 2021 September 27 6:18 am
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    drdog09 permalink

  35. 2021 September 27 7:31 am
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    drdog09 permalink

  36. 2021 September 27 8:22 am
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    justrand permalink

    that was a GREAT article, drdog!! thx

  37. 2021 September 27 8:35 am
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    JimNorCal permalink

    33, inconvenient truths.

  38. 2021 September 27 8:40 am
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    bc3b permalink

    BJG College Football – Week 4 Standings

    bc3b: 53-29 (season)/13-7 (week)
    TLS: 50-32/14-6
    MI Conservative: 48-34/14-6
    Austin: 47-35/16-4
    Fight On: 45-37/12-8
    JimNorCal: 44-38/12-8

    Congratulations Austin with 16-4. Now that Bowling Green is playing in a MAC contest this week (rather than a Big 10 patsy), the Falcons are a 17-point underdog against Kent State.

  39. 2021 September 27 8:45 am
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    bc3b permalink

    JimNorCal:

    FJB is a fan favorite (the cheer; not the man) and yes, she’s cute. Is she a cheerleader with a navel-revealing uniform? If so, I’ll include her next week? … or she could take a pair of scissors to that shirt!

  40. 2021 September 27 8:48 am
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    bc3b permalink

    What’s this word “facts?” I don’t think it’s in the liberal lexicon.

  41. 2021 September 27 9:02 am
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    fight on permalink

    Jim I coming for you in the race to the bottom

  42. 2021 September 27 9:02 am
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    JimNorCal permalink

    We should all keep in mind that PRP would rather fly on a plane with people who are sick and shedding virus BUT have a vaxx passport than with people who are healthy with no v/p.

    That’s all you need to know.

  43. 2021 September 27 9:55 am
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    JimNorCal permalink

    fight on, is that a challenge?
    It’s on, brother! 😠 😤

  44. 2021 September 27 10:20 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    34,

    Well truth be told, I’ve honed my skills being in this blog. Most here are nobody’s fool and have a lifetime of experience of knowing where the bodies are buried. If the facts are not in evidence someone here is going to point that out. So thanks are in order everyone.

  45. 2021 September 27 10:23 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    43,

    Ooooh. That one had to hurt. :^)

  46. 2021 September 27 10:27 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    44,

    Just thank who you pray to. If I was playing this year it would be a three way race. 🙂

  47. 2021 September 27 10:37 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    Now the Israelis are up in arms about the vaxx — https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/watch-israelis-rise-against-vaxx-passports-after-being-told-more-shots-needed-be — ‘A Vaxx Too Far’ I suppose.

  48. 2021 September 27 10:39 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    I suggested we could shut this place down if we wanted — https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ohio-state-police-aware-and-monitoring-possible-truck-protest-against-vaccine-mandate — Evidently TPTB are taking a possible action in that regard seriously.

  49. 2021 September 27 12:07 pm
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    JimNorCal permalink

    49, some pretty truculent commenters there.
    I guess drivers don’t have to shut down the interstates, they could just self-quarantine in large numbers for a couple of weeks. Cause they feel “symptoms”.

  50. 2021 September 27 12:50 pm
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    gnqanq permalink

    Something going on in China.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinas-power-crunch-begins-weigh-economic-outlook-2021-09-27/

    China is in the grip of a power crunch as a shortage of coal supplies, toughening emissions standards and strong demand from manufacturers and industry have pushed coal prices to record highs and triggered widespread curbs on usage.

    see the following

    https://twitter.com/BaldingsWorld/status/1441355349915619334

    Interesting?

  51. 2021 September 27 2:27 pm
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    bc3b permalink

    By now, CPD should have found all the bodies – 67 shot (including 9 juveniles), 8 fatally in Chitown this weekend:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/67-shot-8-fatally-during-weekend-that-saw-2-mass-shootings-and-9-juveniles-wounded/ar-AAOS6wS?ocid=uxbndlbing

  52. 2021 September 27 4:28 pm
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    PresidentRonaldPaul permalink

    Biden has been going about the mandates wrong. It should have been about linking government hand out and goodies like social security, food stamps, student loans, stimmies to getting vaccinated.

    Mandating ppl without a reward for it usually just backfires

  53. 2021 September 27 5:10 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    You will have an issue with Social Security as it is not a govt privilege. SS in the early years is not a hand out for all recipients.

  54. 2021 September 27 5:11 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    Why fusion energy is still a long way off — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JurplDfPi3U

  55. 2021 September 27 5:18 pm
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    PresidentRonaldPaul permalink

    The money you gave to the government for social security has already been spent and is long gone. It’s been converted to pay as you go.

    At one point in time it was a saving account but now it’s another government hand out.

  56. 2021 September 27 5:55 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    I understand it been spent, but it is still not a privilege issued by the govt. People paid into it. Until the ‘principal’ paid by the recipient is exhausted it is not a hand out.

  57. 2021 September 27 7:54 pm
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    mpt permalink

    It seems the governor of New York will be pulling doctors and nurses from the National Guard to fill in positions vacated by healthcare works who refuse to get the vaccine. Does this dumb broad not understand that anyone who is a nurse or doctor in the National Guard is also a nurse or doctor as a civilian? This is simply pulling a healthcare worker from one hospital and putting them into another hospital and pretending you are solving something.

  58. 2021 September 27 8:00 pm
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    PresidentRonaldPaul permalink

  59. 2021 September 27 8:26 pm
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    mpt permalink

    Why fusion energy is still a long way off…

    That was a pretty bleak video. Oh well, state of fusion research is what it is.

  60. 2021 September 27 8:34 pm
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    drdog09 permalink

    58,

    Mpt,

    I ran some numbers. There are 440k members in the guard. NY at best has 60k of that number. Being very generous maybe 10%, 6k are med qualifed. And how many meds are being dismissed? 72k last I heard. Numbers don’t work.

    If it’s a bluff it’s a pretty stupid one.

  61. 2021 September 27 8:56 pm
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    PresidentRonaldPaul permalink

    Btw these two fed officials that are leaving bc they were profiting -kaplan and the other guy. This is presumably opposition research who want an even more dovish FED and to eliminate a political enemy (of sort if you can call it that)

  62. 2021 September 28 4:04 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    63,

    Col Scheller is like a come later version of Billy Mitchell. Mitchell had his adherents in and out of the military back in the day. But we are not that country any longer and poorer for it.

  63. 2021 September 28 4:09 am
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    drdog09 permalink

  64. 2021 September 28 4:20 am
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    bc3b permalink

    New York Gov. Kathy Hochul is another “pro-abortion Catholic.”

  65. 2021 September 28 4:22 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    The WHO says that Covid is here to stay — https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/07/who-says-covid-is-here-to-stay-as-hopes-for-eradicating-the-virus-diminish.html — and mutate to a flu like variant. PRP won’t believe it but there it is.

  66. 2021 September 28 4:34 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    PRP fails to understand the end game. A vaxx shot is as violent as a bullet to the head when it is forced, coerced or contrived — https://michaelyon.locals.com/post/1114599/this-is-the-line-where-people-fight-really-fight — it is tyranny by other means. Doctors and nurses become the Gefängniswärter of the system and the likes of PRP become like the mayor of Dachau muttering to his dying day, ‘… its not true, its not …’.

  67. 2021 September 28 4:38 am
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    drdog09 permalink

    I want one ….

  68. 2021 September 28 4:42 am
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    PresidentRonaldPaul permalink

  69. 2021 September 28 4:50 am
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    PresidentRonaldPaul permalink

    UK: Getting ready to go to the gas station.
    https://twitter.com/NorthmanTrader/status/1442799597450039302?s=20

  70. 2021 September 28 6:08 am
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    justrand permalink

    I urge all Veterans…but especially former Marines…to write a physical letter to the Commandant of the Marine Corps over this. I did, and will again. This is an OUTRAGE.

    General David H. Berger Commandant of the Marine Corps Headquarters
    US Marine Corps 3000 Marine Corps
    Pentagon Washington, DC 20350-3000

    https://dailycaller.com/2021/09/28/marine-lieutenant-colonel-stuart-scheller-brig-afghanistan/

  71. 2021 September 28 1:38 pm
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    mpt permalink

    I want one ….

    Ha! I do to. But, my wife would never allow me to put it outside our house. Probably for the better considering where I live. Hmmm. I wonder if it could be hung off a highway overpass in a manner it would be very difficult to retrieve.

  72. 2021 September 28 1:39 pm
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    mpt permalink

    A vaxx shot is as violent as a bullet to the head when it is forced, coerced or contrived — … — it is tyranny by other means.

    Absolutely. I chose to get vaxxed, but I abhor the mandates and believe they are un-American.

  73. 2021 September 29 6:22 am
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    PresidentRonaldPaul permalink

    “El Dictador más cool del mundo mundial Earth globe americas” his official twitter bio

  74. 2021 September 29 6:26 am
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    PresidentRonaldPaul permalink

    official twitter bio: “El Dictador más cool del mundo mundial 🌎”

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